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User currently offlineUndaMaris From Austria, joined Jul 2006, 5 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7346 times:

The Pope should be flying to Australia for the WYD 2008 next week. Does anybody know any details on airlines (down to Australia probably AZ), aircraft types and routes?

Thanks a lot

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7334 times:



Quoting UndaMaris (Thread starter):

My guess would be a B777 just like his trip to the US... Route ..non-stop Rome to wherever in Australia



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineJanmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7295 times:

The Pope will fly with an Alitalia B777, but I don't know the details.

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7191 times:

He always takes Alitalia to his destinations, why do you think he kisses the ground when he gets there???

Normally he takes a local airline on the way back to Rome.


User currently offlineJanmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7163 times:

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User currently offlineF.pier From Italy, joined Aug 2000, 1523 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7128 times:

He leaves FCO on saturday the 12th to DRW where is expected to land on the 13th.

13 Jul Arrive.
10.30 Departure to Richmond (Sydney).
15.00 Arrive at Richmond (Sydney) (RAAF Military Air Base).

On July the 21st STD-DRW at 10.00
At 13.50 landing at DRW.
15.05 Departure from DRW.
23.00 Arrive at CIA.


User currently offlineF.pier From Italy, joined Aug 2000, 1523 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7122 times:

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/be...australia-program_20080712_it.html

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7111 times:

I wish I had legroom like that when I'm flying.

User currently offlineBa1978 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7105 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 7):
I wish I had legroom like that when I'm flying

Such legroom comes at a cost! Just look how far he has to reach for a magazine



There are other ways and there's British Airways
User currently offlineF.pier From Italy, joined Aug 2000, 1523 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7016 times:

Can the 772ER fly FCO-DRW route nonstop?
I think the pax load will be light, but the route is quite long.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8090 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7004 times:
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A BA 777-200ER flew Prime Minister Blair from Brussels nonstop to Melbourne for an event after an EC meeting in Brussels. IT was 18 hours, so Rome to Sydney with a light load should be possible. Alitalia's 777 are GE powered, among the most powerful, so I would be surprised if teh plane did stop. Its capable to fly to Asutralia nonstop.

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6992 times:



Quoting Ba1978 (Reply 8):

Quoting Thorben (Reply 7):
I wish I had legroom like that when I'm flying

Such legroom comes at a cost! Just look how far he has to reach for a magazine

Almost like walking to the kiosk around the corner. But he can put it on the seat to his right.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6964 times:

I will try to find out info for this thread just as I did for the Pope's trip to the U.S. My posts will be about his travel in the air and on the ground, not religion.

I wonder if the "Flying PopeMobile" will be that same AZ aircraft with the same cockpit and cabin crew. I am sure they will make some very nice arrangements for him on board. Maybe a bed sort of like in the SQ A380 First Suites.

This is the information I have got for now.

The Pope will depart from Rome's Fiumicino airport at 10 a.m. on Saturday 12 July, landing at 9.15 a.m. (Australian time) at the airport of Darwin/RAAF Military Base. After a brief stopover, his flight will proceed to Sydney's Richmond airport. Having landed there, the Pope will travel to a private residence where he will remain until the morning of Thursday 17 July.

http://www.ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=88823

I am sure they will fly the "PopeMobile on Wheels" separately in a different aircraft.

I suppose it will be an airline from Australia taking him back to Rome as to the tradition, although last time it was the Alitalia 777 that carried him both ways.



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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6754 times:

I like that Pope. He certainly deserves an SQ A380 style super-suite.

I hope they don't subject him to a Buy On Board menu. However, if they did, I do wonder what His Holiness should choose to partake of?


User currently offlineFlyboysp From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6722 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12):
I am sure they will fly the "PopeMobile on Wheels" separately in a different aircraft.

The PopeMobile has been here for a few days already.



Felipe Baby...... stay cool!
User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1286 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6692 times:

Can Alitalia charge the Vatican for the equivalent of the full aircraft's usage and back empty (or stationing down under until the return and the return leg, including the lost revenue potential) as if it were filled at the seasonal average load factor?

Or would that be considered State subsidy on the account of the Holy See?  Smile

Either way, seems like Alitalia is going further down under in its books!



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User currently offlineJanmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6616 times:



Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 15):
Can Alitalia charge the Vatican for the equivalent of the full aircraft's usage and back empty (or stationing down under until the return and the return leg, including the lost revenue potential) as if it were filled at the seasonal average load factor?

Or would that be considered State subsidy on the account of the Holy See? Smile

Either way, seems like Alitalia is going further down under in its books!

On that flight there will be many journalists and they will pay about 6,500 euros to fly on that plane with the Pope to Australia.

On the last trip to the USA, about 70 journalists flew with the Pope and the average ticket was about 3,200 euro.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6486 times:

It is nice to have a reporter on site. Is the PopeMobile on Wheels registered as SCV1?

I went really near that one almost brushed it with the previous Pope inside it several times during WYD in Paris. I was one of the thousands volunteers and was posted at Notre-Dame cathedral.

Quoting Flyboysp (Reply 14):
The PopeMobile has been here for a few days already.

I am sure the Vatican owns a fair bit of shares in Alitalia so they would only pay themselves back somehow and then there is the Press that pays for their own transport on the Pope flight.

Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 15):
Can Alitalia charge the Vatican for the equivalent of the full aircraft's usage and back empty

We still don't know what the Flying PopeMobile is going to be and her reg. number.

Maybe some of you in Sydney will be able to provide us with the latest news and pictures during the event?

Look out for the Tahitians. They put on some really great shows complete with costume and dancers, they are really nice, they like to party and are a lot of good fun to hang around with. I bet you they will be there in good numbers as they are not too far away.



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3314 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6373 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12):
I suppose it will be an airline from Australia taking him back to Rome as to the tradition, although last time it was the Alitalia 777 that carried him both ways.

Indeed.
I understand it's a Qantas B744ER, operating Sydney-Darwin-Rome.


User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 1869 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6311 times:



Quoting Flyboysp (Reply 14):
The PopeMobile has been here for a few days already.

But all the World Youth Day (papal visit) posters at the train stations are telling us to leave our cars at home!  Smile



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5967 times:

Some latest updates on the Pope's visit to Australia.

All set for Sunday's arrivals

POPE BENEDICT will arrive in Australia on Sunday after his longest single world journey.

His Holiness will spend eight days in Australia, five of which will involve World Youth Day activities.

Pope Benedict is scheduled to leave from Rome on Saturday at 10am and will make a journey of more than 15 hours to Darwin. After his plane refuels, His Holiness and the papal entourage - including his master of ceremonies, security staff and media team - will fly to Richmond RAAF base in Sydney, arriving about 3pm.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world-you...vals/2008/07/11/1215658101173.html


Pope's Sydney digs unveiled

The retreat caters for as many as 30 guests and features tennis, volleyball and basketball courts and a 25m swimming pool. It also has plenty of room to land the helicopter, which the Pope will use to beat Sydney's traffic later in the week.

While the Pontiff is unlikely to be shooting hoops, he will be able to indulge his love of playing piano and catch glimpses of the Blue Mountains from the many bush trails on the property before beginning his pastoral duties at World Youth Day.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...y/0,22049,23974712-5001021,00.html


WYD Means 36 Extra Flights into Sydney

"World Youth Day is bringing international visitors into Sydney in droves," said Chief Operating Officer Danny Casey.

"Our information is that almost every flight into Sydney is fully booked in the lead-up to the event and 36 more flights have had to be added so far.

http://pope2008.typepad.com/weblog/2008/06/wyd-means-36-ex.html


Pilgrims take to the road

IF YOU are wondering where all the World Youth Day pilgrims are, the answer is: everywhere but Sydney. For now, at least.

As the flow of pilgrims into Sydney remained at a trickle, other cities welcomed thousands yesterday. World Youth Day begins officially on Tuesday.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world-you...road/2008/07/10/1215658037461.html

EWTN WYD SYD 08 coverage website link

http://www.ewtn.com/wyd2008/index2.asp



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineJanmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5948 times:

The Pope will fly on an Alitalia 777 called "Sestriere".

The plane will leave Fiumicino on 12th July at 10AM and will arrive to Richmond Air Force base on 13th July at 3:15 PM, for a flight time of 15 hours and 45 minutes (the flight will be no-stop).


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5927 times:

This is the same aircraft that flew him to Washington D.C. and New York and back to Italy on his last visit to the U.S.

Boeing 777 - MSN 32781
Opérateur Alitalia
Statut : Actif
Immatriculation : EI-DBL
Opérateur Alitalia
Numéro de série 32781 LN:459
Type 777-243ER
Date premier vol 28/10/2003

http://notizie.alice.it/notizie/poli...ra_papa_in_australia,15407058.html

There is some interesting information in this article. I take it from Italian.

On the way to Australia the aircraft will overfly the following countries: Italia, Albania, Grecia, Turchia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Thailandia, Cambogia, Vietnam, Singapore, Malaysia e Indonesia.

The nonstop flight will have a total flying time of 15 hours and 45 minutes. There will be 18 crew members on board. The captain for the flight is Commandante Alfonso Maria Pacini, Alitalia's Flight Operations Director. He totals 12.500 flight hours. This will be his 7th Papal flight.

The Cabin Services Director and flight coordinator will be Giovanni Luigi Romani. He has been a long haul CSD for the last 13 years and this is is 4th Papal flight. As on the other Papal flights the airline will have the honour of bearing the Ponitifical Seal especially dedicated to the Papal flight.

Quoting Janmnastami (Reply 21):
The Pope will fly on an Alitalia 777 called "Sestriere".


Edited to add this link. More information in Italian about the Pope's flight.

http://www.romacittaaperta.net/2008/...icino-volo-alitalia-per-pontefice/

[Edited 2008-07-11 07:10:18]


There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5780 times:

The flying Popemobile took off from Fiumicino this morning at 10.30. A telegram of best wishes was sent by the Pope to the Italian President and all the Italians shortly before departure. On board with the Pope are the Pontifical delegation and members of the Press.

Let's wish the old Pontiff a very happy time up in the air  airplane   cloudnine  and a safe trip until he lands in Australia.

(ANSA) - ROMA, 12 LUG - Papa Benedetto XVI e' in volo per Sydney, dove presiedera' la 23/ma Giornata della Gioventu'. Il Boeing 777 dell'Alitalia che ospita il pontefice, la delegazione pontificia e la stampa al seguito e' decollato da Fiumicino alle 10,30. Un telegramma di saluto e' stato inviato da Benedetto XVI poco prima della partenza al presidente Napolitano e a tutti gli italiani.



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineStickers From South Africa, joined Sep 2007, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5709 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 3):
why do you think he kisses the ground when he gets there???

 laughing 

Quoting Ba1978 (Reply 8):
Such legroom comes at a cost! Just look how far he has to reach for a magazine

It comes at a greater cost than that... Does the word celibacy mean anything??  Wink
Just kidding, Actually with the greatest of respect to my catholic brethren i agree wholeheartedly with MadameConcorde...

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 23):
Let's wish the old Pontiff a very happy time up in the air and a safe trip until he lands in Australia

Cheers
Stickers  Cool


25 MadameConcorde : Pope Benedict did not follow on this one. This was former Pope John Paul II's way. He always kissed the ground right after he got off a flight in a ne
26 Antonovman : i've heard hes flying with EL AL via TLV and on the way back with Emirates via DXB
27 Janmnastami : From the last news, it seems that there could be the stop in Darwin, but I'm not sure.
28 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Latest (remote) news from the flight. Looks like he held a press conference on board. Pope expresses worry about climate change ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE
29 Tayser : Singapore's a bit of a detour on the most direct route from Rome to Darwin considering they're overflying (southern?) Vietnam...[Edited 2008-07-12 05
30 QANTAS077 : no offence to our Catholic viewers but this gig is an absolute rort, the sooner he leaves Australia the better, $400 million its costing taxpayers and
31 Post contains links Janmnastami : This is a video of the leaving from Rome: http://tv.repubblica.it/copertina/ratzinger-verso-sydney/22133?video
32 Post contains links MilesDependent : Where did you get the $400m figure from??? The correct figure is around $160m. Check out the following link (or just google world youth day cost): ht
33 Tayser : I loved the article a few weeks ago about the 'brothel bonanza' that Sydney would undergo whilst the event is on. Might see a mini baby-boom too... (a
34 Tayser : Also - I bet the Grand Prix that's held in Melbourne - annually - would provide airlines with greater yields and the local state & national economy wo
35 Qantasistheway : Why does the pope kiss the ground as soon as he lands in another country? Well wouldnt' you if you'd have just flown Alitalia!
36 MadameConcorde : Thanks for posting the video. I love these great big engines! Are these GEs or RRs or maybe P+Ws? How about the flags? I guess the cockpit crew must t
37 Janmnastami : Yes, the two flags (Italy and Vatican) will be put there when the plane will arrive to Australia. It's a part of the ceremonial. It's the longest fli
38 QANTAS077 : some do, some don't...right not the church in Australia needs all the free publicity it can get.
39 Viscount724 : There are several 2-engine flights with block times scheduled for more than 15 hours. A few that come to mind: CX JFK-HKG (777-300ER) - 15:55 CO EWR-
40 QANTAS077 : just landed in Darwin.
41 MadameConcorde : Email from a friend in Sydney. This is his news on the event: A lot of young people coming in for the youth week. Pope arrives this afternoon. Many ar
42 777ER : Pope arrived in Sydney around 15 mins ago
43 Post contains links MadameConcorde : I like the picture on board the aircraft with the flight map in the background and the Alitalia logo. The old man must be disoriented by the long flig
44 Allrite : Anyone going to ask the Pope to submit a trip report? The other day my train carriage was invaded by a large group of happy young Portuguese here for
45 MadameConcorde : I bet the Vatican press services and the Pope himself would be happy to see that we are doing a "remote" trip report from Benedict's travels around th
46 Tugger : I must admit, I am actually also wishing him a safe trip even AFTER he lands in Australia! Per Jfk777: No problem for the 777, remember in 2005 a 777
47 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Pope lands in Sydney on schedule The papal flight carrying Pope Benedict XVI has landed at Richmond RAAF Military Air Base, in Western Sydney. The Pop
48 Mal787 : QANTAS077 I agree 100% The fact he is going to say sorry is utter crap as far as I am concerned go home benni I have better things for tax dollars to
49 F.pier : It's funny to see somebody unhappy for the "una tantum" gift of 400.000.000 AUD. Maybe you don't know that Catholic Church cost Italy about € 4.000
50 Mal787 : What is una tantum? if thats a nice way of saying $400 mil then so be it .But its stilll money I could spend better mal787
51 CX777Fan : July 2008: Lots of WYD pilgrims causing lots of inconvenience and expense, staying in church halls, eating potluck dinners and generally not spending
52 MadameConcorde : They don't have the money to stay at 5 star hotels, you know. I have seen the WYD Monaco group, they have been selling sandwiches and drinks at the la
53 TheCommodore : Here's some footage of Alitalia's flight AZ4000 hitting the tarmac at Ricmond RAAF Base yesterday afternoon.
54 Tayser : 4 billion Euro???!?!?? uhh... can anyone say - ouch?
55 Post contains links MadameConcorde : F-pier: where did you get these figures? Could you please give us your sources? Pope and kangaroo light up Harbour Bridge http://www.smh.com.au/news/w
56 QANTAS077 : are you going to continually update us with what the Pope is doing in Sydney? this is no longer a civil aviation discussion but a religious one.
57 MadameConcorde : I do not see what is "religious" about this lighting up of the Harbour bridge with the visiting VVIP in Sydney. As said in the article, this is the se
58 QANTAS077 : and its not civil aviation related either...why not start a topic in the off-topic forum?
59 Boeing747_600 : Actually, I've heard that he's put off his visit until 9W establishes their scissor hub at MXP. Once they do that, he will take 9W to BOM and QF to S
60 F.pier : In Italy there's a strange rule which obliges you to destinate the 0,8% od your income to a religion. There's the possibility to choose between 7 or
61 MadameConcorde : Thank you for explaining this in detail, F.pier. I had absolutely no idea that people in Italy are forced by the State to give almost 1/10 of their in
62 Jfk777 : IS Alitalia or Qantas Flying the POPE back to ROME ?
63 MadameConcorde : A very good question and back to transport topic. I also wonder what sort of "Mobiles" he is going to use while he will be in Australia. I would say m
64 F.pier : Tremonti, which is Berlusconi's economy minister invented this system a lot of years ago, in 1984. Qantas is going fo fly the Pope back to Rome. I'm
65 Janmnastami : There is also the possibility to give that part of your taxes to the State, nobody is obliged to give it to the Church. No, it isn't. The possibility
66 VH-BZF : Yes, he flies back with Qantas - on a B744ER as said above, SYD-DRW-FCO. BZF
67 TheCommodore : So, with the Pope flying back on a Qantas 747, does anybody know whether the Alitalia 777 that brought him in on Sunday at Richmond has departed yet?
68 Janmnastami : The AZ 777 should fly NRT-MXP, with only a part of the Magnifica class available.
69 MadameConcorde : For the Pope's flight to Darwin and Sydney they should have renamed his cabin Magnificat Class!
70 Beagleboys : obviously... it rains, it's berlusconi fault... @F.Pier before you write please think.... no one in italy is forced to give money to the church... yo
71 MadameConcorde : Thank you for your live update from Sydney, Beagleboys. I wish you would give us more of your "live" impressions about the event and become our Forum
72 LIPZ : As far as I know Pope, when he comes back to Rome, usually lands at CIA instead of FCO.
73 Vhsmm : When is the Pope leaving Australia? I'm flying from Sydney to Brisbane on Monday morning and I sure would like to avoid any Papal congestion
74 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Yep... Pope Benedict will be off from Sydney International Aiport on Monday morning... All the Qantas Flying PopeMobile spotters can gather upstairs o
75 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Too late to edit my thread to I will have to re-post. This is the sailing Popemobile, the MV Sydney 2000. It's here that the Pope will pass time on th
76 Beagleboys : no, it's all about religion... we're there for that... obviously ur personal faith has something to do with ur political faith... only if i have civil
77 QANTAS077 : not soon enough... now you go ask the Australian taxpayer if they are happy or not about this...lets see, they get free billetting in churches or hom
78 MadameConcorde : Observation Deck (terminal 1 - international terminal) Sit back and enjoy yourself watching the airport activities from the outside Observation Deck.
79 StealthZ : Actually haven't heard too many complaints around here, and we are the ones who have had to suffer the public transport chaos(didn't happen), the gri
80 Post contains links MadameConcorde : More about the Pope and WYD pilgrim's transport. In Centennial Park, where there is space for 200,000, large screens will show the service, but the Go
81 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Pope to leave on flying kangaroo AUSTRALIA'S flying kangaroo will carry Pope Benedict XVI back to Rome when his official World Youth Day duties end on
82 Mashimaro1 : What happens to the Qantas plane once it reaches Rome? Will it fly empty to London and then fly back to HK/Bangkok/Singapore?
83 MilesDependent : Let's hope Qantas can actually have an on time departure with this flight, what with the continual delays the past few weeks....
84 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Qantas Papal Charter Latest News Sydney, 18 July 2008 Qantas today announced that it would operate a special charter flight for the return trip to Rom
85 Luv2fly : I have to agree this thread really belongs in non-av if any place. You are using this thread as a platform to push your catholic agenda.
86 MadameConcorde : You can refer to the forum moderators about this and have the thread moved. You are not one of them, are you? Oh... and in case you have not read my p
87 F.pier : If you write this it means that you don't know how the 8x1000 works. I signed for Waldenses, but despite of this 90% of my 8x1000 will go to the Cath
88 QANTAS077 : SYD-FCO nonstop, are you for serious? anyways, he'll be arriving at CIA. and yes it will stop in Darwin according to the schedule.
89 Beagleboys : only if you dont put anywere your cross your 8x1000 will be divided in an equal form between all the people. from the law: La ripartizione tra le isti
90 F.pier : This means that you don't decide YOUR money destination, but your choice is valid only to decide quotas. This means that your choice has effects on t
91 Post contains links MadameConcorde : The Pope was flown to the stadium by helicopter (nicknamed the holy-copter) and was also taken in the PopeMobile on wheels. Does anybody know the Mobi
92 QANTAS077 : if I had the cockpit crew info I wouldn't be posting it here... special cabin? well the QF first class is infinitely better than that of Alitalia so t
93 Beagleboys : this is real only if you don't put the cross. otherwise your 8x1000 will go to ur choice. 100% popemobile on wells was SCV 001 mercedes M. modified a
94 F.pier : I insist, this is not correct.
95 F.pier : VH-OEE is expected to land within 15 mins at CIA
96 F.pier : VH-OEE just landed at CIA airport
97 Post contains links MadameConcorde : http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/07/21/pope_wideweb__470x306,0.jpg Farewell … the Pope before entering his aircraft. Photo: Peter Morris
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