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Actually Saw A Smart Car Today  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

And not online I was leaving Subway on the way to work, and there was one parked just ahead of where I was parked. Interesting looking little car. Unique, that's for sure.

Didn't get to check out the interior, though. Anyone test-driven one here in the states, own one, or know soemone who owns them? Any impressions?

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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

Quite a few of them here. Great looking and getting decent ratings. When they come out with an electric version here, we will seriously consider buying one.


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User currently offlineAF340 From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

I see more than I can count everyday. They are neat little cars, but I'd never buy one. Even though I have a dealership 6 blocks from my house!




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User currently offlineBwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1372 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

They're quite common overhere... but a lot of them are used as a driving billboard for small companies. I think they're ideal for city driving, but I wouldn't quite wanna take it for a trip to the south of Spain.

I wouldn't want one, mainly because I think they're a bit overpriced...



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26598 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

Smart isn't a new thing, just new to the US. They are cool as city cars in places where parking is at a premium, but they aren't much for the highway and they are way too small to not be a motorcycle. I have seen quite a few tooling around L.A. since they were introduced, however.


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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2206 times:
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I just don't understand how those cars can be any more cost-effective to own and operate...not to mention useful....than a mid to late-nineties Honda Civic. A Civic VX, in particular.

2H4



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User currently offlineAlfa75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

I haven't driven one, but sat in one at the dealership down the street from where I work. Quite comfortable and plenty of room for a six footer.

I would expect the mileage to be a bit better though.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26598 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2169 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 5):
I just don't understand how those cars can be any more cost-effective to own and operate...not to mention useful....than a mid to late-nineties Honda Civic. A Civic VX, in particular.

There is a limited supply of those cars. In fact, if everyone was going to buy one, they would get even more expensive.



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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10096 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2168 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
I have seen quite a few tooling around L.A. since they were introduced, however.

Me too. Always surprise me with just how small they actually are.

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 5):
I just don't understand how those cars can be any more cost-effective to own and operate...not to mention useful....than a mid to late-nineties Honda Civic. A Civic VX, in particular.

An article I read had the EPA mileage estimates for the US Smart car. I wasn't particularly impressed with them:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25588420/

33/41 MPG. That is not overwhelming by any means. I can fit more stuff (or people) in my Civic, and get pretty close to that gas mileage.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26598 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2157 times:



Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 8):

An article I read had the EPA mileage estimates for the US Smart car.

Well, to be fair, EPA's numbers are not particularly great.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2156 times:



Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 8):
33/41 MPG. That is not overwhelming by any means. I can fit more stuff (or people) in my Civic, and get pretty close to that gas mileage.

Agreed. I'm planning to look for a new car sometime in '10, and I wouldn't even consider a Smart right now, simply because it doesn't seem to do well on the highway. I'll be looking at, at least right now, the Honda Civic and Fit, the Ford Focus, the Toyota Prius, Yaris and Corolla, the Nissan Sentra and Versa, the Chevy Malibu and Cobalt, and, of course, my favorite Mid-Life Crisis car, the MINI Cooper.


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2148 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
There is a limited supply of those cars.

That doesn't mean they're difficult to come by. Even if demand for them went though the roof, they would probably have to double in value before the Smart car offered a better overall value.

I maintain that one of those Civics would provide better value, economy, and usability than a Smart car.

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 8):
33/41 MPG. That is not overwhelming by any means.

Indeed. And just as the Smart car might produce better-than-published real-world mileage, so too might the Civic.

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 8):
I can fit more stuff (or people) in my Civic, and get pretty close to that gas mileage.

Civics...particularly the hatchbacks...are extremely useful when it comes to interior volume. I was able to transport three full-size bicycles and a passenger in my old 1994 sedan. With the doors, windows, and trunk closed, of course.

I just don't understand how people can justify the cost of the Smart car. You could spend $5,000 on a mid to late-nineties Civic, spend another $1000 on preventative maintenance, and then invest the remaining $5,000 to $10,000, and come out WAY ahead, all while enjoying equal or better reliability, utility, and resale value.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26598 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2141 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
my favorite Mid-Life Crisis car, the MINI Cooper.

Get that one. The most fun to drive of all of them, incredibly safe, excellent mileage and reliability galore. My girlfriend has one and absolutely loves it.



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User currently offlineDuff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

I've seen a couple of them in central CT... the first one I saw was a couple of years ago and it had Quebec plates on it. Only recently have I seen them registered here.

I think I'd rather sacrifice the MPG and get a slightly bigger vehicle, with (still) all those larger cars and SUV's on the road.



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2128 times:
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Quoting Duff44 (Reply 13):
I think I'd rather sacrifice the MPG and get a slightly bigger vehicle, with (still) all those larger cars and SUV's on the road.

I hear you, but it's important to remember that size is not necessarily indicative of safety. The Mini has proven this very well. As I recall, testing has proven that you're safer in a head-on collision in a little Mini than you are in a big F-150.

2H4



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26598 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2125 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 14):
As I recall, testing has proven that you're safer in a head-on collision in a little Mini than you are in a big F-150.

Safer in all kinds of collisions. Actually, my girlfriend t-boned by a lady making an illegal turn at speed almost 2 years ago. Caused massive amounts of cosmetic damage to her car. The guys at the shop who were fixing it said they had never seen a more overbuilt car for safety in their lives.



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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

I drive past one [almost] every day on my way into work -- parked in front of a 'planned community' development (or whatever you're supposed to call them). The developer is doing a "Buy a condo/loft and the smart car is included 'at no extra charge'" gimick.

I am unipressed by it in almost every way, but to be fair my idea of the 'perfect' car is the BMW Z4, especially as far as looks are concerned -- and I know plenty of people who think that the Z4 is the ugliest car on the road... to each his (or her) own!

Lincoln



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User currently offlineCOrocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

I hav been seeing quite a few of them here in Houston. For some reason, every time I see one I just get the urge to walk over to it and try to push it over. Maybe it is my being here in Texas and it is like cow tipping or something.

User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

I've seen them floating around Dallas for a while... lots of gray market ones around here. To a worse degree, they've become like a Prius, yup status symbols.


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User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2068 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 11):
You could spend $5,000 on a mid to late-nineties Civic

Not even that much for one in good shape! I bought my '99 Accord with 102,000 miles and no mechanical issues whatsoever for $2,500 last summer, and so far the only thing that's gone wrong is that my brakes are vibrating a bit these days, which will probably require a rotor cleaning or replacement. I've averaged about 32 mpg on the highway to and from school in New Orleans with the car fully loaded with junk and traveling 80, which is pretty good I think.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21677 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2063 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
my favorite Mid-Life Crisis car, the MINI Cooper.

I'd take a VW GTI over the Mini.

-Mir



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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Here in Miami they have sold a few, I see a few every week. Its nice to see. I just know I would never want to drive on of those. I will stick with the Touareg or G500  Wink


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13638 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 23 hours ago) and read 1975 times:
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The Smart car phenomenon has many people taking leave of their senses - my best friend, for one.

He's got a FULLY PAID FOR 2003 Nissan Xterra, and gets around 19-20mpg in it. He's considering buying a Smart car to use as a commuter vehicle.

Now, once all is said and done, he's still going to have to finance at least $10K to buy the little bastard.

To save MAYBE $100.00 a month in gas, maximum (he doesn't drive a lot). HELLO?!?

And he's not alone - I'm hearing all sorts of stories about people buying Smart cars as commuter vehicles because their SUVs and trucks cost too much to fill up - yet the purchase of a Smart car costs FAR more than their high gas bill does!

Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb!



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User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3790 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 1942 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 22):
yet the purchase of a Smart car costs FAR more than their high gas bill does!

Well, in all fairness, I believe the Smart is aimed at people looking to buy a new car because they need a 2nd, 3rd one or getting rid of their old commuter.

Buying it just because you think you'd save some gas on your daily commute compared to your current, perfectly good but bigger car would certainly require to do the maths properly.

Then, there's also the resale value of the thing. If it turns out to be anything like the hollywood hype the Prius got to be, then you might very well cover your cost much faster than you'd think.



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3985 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

How about buying a little Norwegian instead  Smile


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25 LTBEWR : I have seen a few here in northern New Jersey and saw them years ago in my travels to Europe. To me they are just too small for USA situations, I woul
26 Lincoln : I'm assuming you mean the Aveo (or Chevy has gotten into the Regional Jet business ) -- Hertz tried renting me one of those pieces of crap. Ok, maybe
27 WildcatYXU : I hate when they do that. Couple of weeks ago Budget in YXC prepared a Nissan Versa for me as a midsize car. When I asked since when is the Versa mid
28 PHLBOS : I'm not from nor reside in Texas, and I usually think the same thing. I've heard similar w/people replacing their larger vehicles w/Priuses and the l
29 Bok269 : With the EPA's numbers, you can almost always count on them being less across the board, making the numbers somewhat comparable. It is true that the
30 Garnetpalmetto : Same in Raleigh. Priuses are a fairly common sight. I think I've seen a grand total of 3 Smarties. I'd get one if I were car-shopping (my '03 Hyundai
31 PlaneWasted : The smart is overrated. Why not buy a cheap say, Hyundai Atos instead? Half the price and more room, then you can buy gas for the money left over. The
32 2H4 : Me too, and I did. That's the one and only aspect of my car I dislike. Whenever I drive into Madison, Milwaukee, Chicago, or over into the Detroit ar
33 NorthStarDC4M : Common as muck in the GTA now for sure... Overpriced for what you get, a VERY small 2 seater. If it was pure electric or some alternative fuel beside
34 Garnetpalmetto : They're not marketed in North America, so that's why, for us at least.
35 Post contains links Pliersinsight : If you know anything about physics, such a statement is generally wrong. I'll borrow a Cadillac Escalade ESV and you can take the mini cooper in a he
36 Davehammer : They're decent enough little cars though they're overpriced for what they are. However I was overtaken by one on the M25 (London orbital highway) the
37 PlaneWasted : Well, small cars tends to be cheap so that is not totally fair statistics. The mini is an expensive small car. But you are right that heavier cars ar
38 ShyFlyer : This is the rational I used to purchase my scooter. The greater fuel efficiency (55-60mpg) coupled with the reduced wear and tear on my SUV, the savi
39 Pliersinsight : From what I recall the Mercedes S class and the Cadillac Deville has the least occupant deaths per 1 million miles driven here in the US. Two very bi
40 N1120A : According to the same IIHS you cite, the MINI Cooper pulls ratings similar to those of the F150 that was brought up by the other post. Further, it bl
41 2H4 : I'm sure it doesn't hurt that the Deville's tend to be driven around by retirees at 35mph to and from their weekly shuffleboard game. 2H4
42 EA CO AS : A scooter, sure. That I can see making financial sense. But a $15K car? Not so much.
43 ShyFlyer : Especially considering that with topcase and some bungee cords, I can probably carry about the same amount of stuff.
44 Post contains images BlackProjects : Sp smart cars are Scarce in the US we have far to many of them in the UK and 3/4 of smart cars over here have been caught speeding by Police speed tra
45 OA260 : No its not I have had a Smart car for 4 years and they are very fuel efficient and reliable. I have never had a breakdown or any other issues with it
46 2H4 : But you get all of these things in a used Civic at less than half the price. The premium people pay for a Smart car seems like an incredibly steep pr
47 OA260 : I would never want a civic . The Smart car is unique and a nice design.
48 Smeg : Sorry, gotta disagree with you. Had a Smart Brabus (performance version!!!!) Fantastic little nipper - I am 6ft 4 and fitted it perfectly. 30 litres o
49 2H4 : Fair enough. When you take subjective factors into account, your choice makes sense. Interesting points. I wasn't aware of these kinds of benefits. 2
50 N1120A : The Brabus is not available in the US It is not really known whether that is legal at this point here.
51 Smeg : To be honest, I have a feeling that London is about the only place where these benefits apply. I would have probably bought one anyway as when they c
52 Smeg : If I am honest, I never tried to get away with it in a normal bay with a parking meter. In and around the City (financial district in London) there w
53 N1120A : Well, when you only have a Square Mile to work with, you need all the help you can get That would equate to about 50 MPG. Sounds like the EPA tests d
54 Smeg : You are not wrong there. Got fed up of using the motorbike in the rain. Therefore it was a choice of the Smart or one of those mad BMW C1 scooters wi
55 N1120A : It has the base level 3 cylinder
56 Phoenix9 : Ya 401 is not the place for Smart...everyone is going at least 120-140 km/h. Not only that...you see a big MACK tractor/trailer driving past it and t
57 PlaneWasted : Interesting. Reflects the different traffic environments of our countries. We drive alot alone in the forest so I guess crashing into trees and rocks
58 Post contains images L410Turbolet : Talk about going from one extreme to another... First they buy gas guzzling p.o.s. SUV and then go for another extreme such as Smart where you can ba
59 OA260 : Alot more recently looking at sales figures of large cars compared to the trend for smaller cars. Fiat is my second choice and a mate of mine has a P
60 ThePRGuy : The diesel model of that gets 80mpg (UK mpg). They are also suprisingly safe.
61 Post contains links OA260 : As Gas Costs Soar, Buyers Flock to Small Cars DETROIT — Soaring gas prices have turned the steady migration by Americans to smaller cars into a stam
62 Smeg : I think that you have hit on the crux of the problem for Smart. As I said earlier, I bought mine for the simple fact that I worked in London and the
63 TheSonntag : There was a Smart owned by a German pharma company, which was used to deliver pharmaceuticals to farmacies around Germany. When it was retired, it had
64 Post contains links Bok269 : Assuming your Sonata (EPA 22 MPG Combined) is paid for: $5000 trade in (assuming the car is average in all respects) Smart Pure (EPA 36 Combined): $1
65 Bok269 : To add to my point about comparing crash tests of cars of similar weight: At the top of each crash test rating page the following is printed:
66 Asuflyer05 : You can flip a brand new SmartCar with delivery miles for about $4k over sticker. More in certain parts of the country.
67 RayChuang : The SMART ForTwo looks cute but its somewhat quirky ergonomics may not be to the liking for many customers. Now that Ford has announced they're pretty
68 Garnetpalmetto : Thanks for the analysis above, Bok, very inciteful and I appreciate it! And I know how hard the comparison is between Smarties/Priuses and used cars
69 TylerDurden : I have to wonder how smart they really are for U.S. consumers. They are underpowered...cheaply made..and don't really get very good gas mileage in the
70 ShyFlyer : That's pretty good. In Albuquerque, I believe the waiting list is 18 months long.
71 Cumulus : In this time of rising fuel costs and car tax increase I have thought very carefully about my new car which I bought three weeks ago........ A 4 Litre
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