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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Posted (6 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3025 times:

Swiss police have arrested Moamer Kadhafi's son for assaulting staff in a Swiss HOtel.
Kadhafi junior has had various clashes with police in Paris and London,and his father's reactions have constantly been oner-reaction and despotic.
It's been no secret that the Libyan leader is missing some neurones and is not rendering service to his compatriots by handling politics the way he does.It's time the man goes and hides in his tent and has his camel - milk daiquiri !
I'm not easily opposed to Arab leaders - but Kadhafi is a joke !
Just looking at his face tells you a lot of things about the man's thoughts...


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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3020 times:



Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
Swiss police have arrested Moamer Kadhafi's son

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The Swiss delegation who went to Tripoli is trying to make some things clear :
> in Switzerland, the judiciary is independent of the political authorities
> there is no "Swiss Police", in this case it was the police and the judiciary of the City of Geneva, which is under the power of the judiciary of the Canton of Geneva. If something goes to court in a Swiss city, town or village it first goes to an ordinary court, in case of an appeal to the Court of Appellation of the Canton in question and in case of a RE-appeal to the Federal Court.
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Right at present, Libya is forcing Swiss companies in Libya to close down, refuses to give Visas to Swiss nationals, has forced Swiss to reduce its flights to Tripoli from three to one per week, has banned ships under Swiss flag from using Libyan seaports and threatens to stop oil-supplies to Switzerland. Whenever many of these measure are to have a backfiring effect with the possibility of Libyan oil getting replaced etc, Switzerland tries to repair the matter and bring relations back on track.
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If Libya however refuses everything, some big Swiss companies might force through counter-measures like freezing Libyan bank accounts in Switzerland and some other such things.


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4863 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3013 times:



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 1):
If Libya however refuses everything, some big Swiss companies might force through counter-measures like freezing Libyan bank accounts in Switzerland and some other such things.

Is this really a possibility? Surely freezing Libyan assets might echo around the whole of North Africa and the Middle East sending a bad message. Beyond that, surely Swiss banks will not do that for the sake of retaliation?

As for Kadhafi, still an idiot I see.

YOWza



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User currently offlineJanmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3012 times:

Kadhafi's sons are (unfortunatelly) well-known in Italy.

My questions is: why Kadhafi's son doens't have any form of diplomatic immunity in Switzerland?


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3005 times:



Quoting YOWza (Reply 2):
Is this really a possibility? Surely freezing Libyan assets might echo around the whole of North Africa and the Middle East sending a bad message. Beyond that, surely Swiss banks will not do that for the sake of retaliation?

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It indeed IS a possibility, but everything of course is done to avoid anything thelike. The BANKS of course will be AGAINST anything of the kind, much however depends on Nestle and ABB. If however Khaddafi becomes too aggressive, the public mood in Switzerland might become such that harsh countermeasures become unavoidable. The Swiss Foreign Minister WILL act in whatever way she sees as the way to go, as the inaction of the Defence Minister in an affair with the Chief of Staff is threatening the position of that man quite seriously. In Switzerland, the largest party of the country (xenophobe, right-wing, reactionary, isolationist) already accuses the federal government of being unable to govern, so that the situation is rather strange at present.
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That many people in Switzerland now equate Messrs Khaddafi with "the Arabs" is positively maddening !  grumpy   vomit   vomit 


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13967 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2999 times:

But this isn't the son who was traded as a likelysuccessor, and who fell out with his father, because he tried to introduce reforms?
BTW, wasn't there a son as well with an Israeli girlfriend?

Jan


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2994 times:

That's just sick. Switzerland should just search for new oil suppliers and bring their business to someone else. At the moment 50% of the oil used in Switzerland is from Libya, let's hope it has not a big impact on the country!


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User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2479 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 day ago) and read 2973 times:

This bafoon is just trying to flex some muscles.

I've said it over and over again - how do countries like Libya expect to be taken seriously by the rest of the world, when they always have to resort to such cheap retaliatory measures?

I just hope the Swiss Govt. keeps its cool and shows Kadhafi how this game is really played.

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 6):
At the moment 50% of the oil used in Switzerland is from Libya

What I find 'funny' about this whole situation is that over the past couple of years I've heard many Swiss always bitch about the Americans and how they get their oil from 'friendly" countries like Saudi Arabia. 50% of our oil is being supplied by Libya!? We're not one damn better.

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 6):
Switzerland should just search for new oil suppliers and bring their business to someone else.

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Quoting Janmnastami (Reply 3):
My questions is: why Kadhafi's son doens't have any form of diplomatic immunity in Switzerland?

I'm the wrong person to answer this question, but a person that behaves in such a manner does not deserve any kind of immunity. IMO they should send his son's sorry ass to jail and set an example.


User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1238 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (6 years 23 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

The best part of it is that ABB is only half Swiss and quite far from a national company. Having been part of a huge powerstruggle between the ruling Swedish family Wallenberg and a swiss private investor that lasted for several years. In the end the swiss investor got problems with other companies and sold out.

The company itself is a of the merger between Asea and BrownBoveri. Its based in Switzerland due to taxes but keeping the Swedish family Wallenberg (one of Europes most influential industrialists) as the ones pulling the strings.
Its just had a GE executive appointed CEO and the chairman of the board is german man connected with the Wallenberg family.

Being based in Switzerland though my guess is that this will be solved behind closed doors and that all parties will emerge with an extra businessdeal or two.

Quoting Janmnastami (Reply 3):
Kadhafi's sons are (unfortunatelly) well-known in Italy.

Didnt they get involve din football somehow?
One of the sons having Ben Johnson as his personal trainer and trying to secure a shirt in one of the smaller football clubs or something like that?



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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (6 years 22 hours ago) and read 2940 times:



Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 7):
50% of our oil is being supplied by Libya!?

That's what they said on the news today. What I know is that one of biggest petrol station networks, Tamoil, is receiving the oil from Libya. And if I remember correctly Tamoil has even some strong connections to Kadhafi or his family members.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (6 years 22 hours ago) and read 2912 times:



Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 8):
The company itself is a of the merger between Asea and BrownBoveri. Its based in Switzerland due to taxes but keeping the Swedish family Wallenberg (one of Europes most influential industrialists) as the ones pulling the strings.
Its just had a GE executive appointed CEO and the chairman of the board is german man connected with the Wallenberg family.

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ABB basically is a Swedish company with its HQ in Switzerland. 50% Swiss owned of course. BUT what counts is that it has a significant influence.
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Quoting Janmnastami (Reply 3):
My questions is: why Kadhafi's son doens't have any form of diplomatic immunity in Switzerland?

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Hannibal Khaddafi is NOT a minister of his country nor a diplomat, but a private person, even if son of a head of state. And so is NOT a person of diplomatic immunity. The Geneva judiciarly therefore treated him as a rich person behaving wrongly.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26845 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (6 years 22 hours ago) and read 2911 times:



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 1):
If Libya however refuses everything, some big Swiss companies might force through counter-measures like freezing Libyan bank accounts in Switzerland and some other such things.

Time to put sanctions on them and freeze all Libayan bank accounts. Seems like libya has not learnt how to conduct themselves yet.


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (6 years 21 hours ago) and read 2900 times:

I'd like to specify the Libyan leader and his mafia family don't behave correctly- I'd refuse to put a general statement like that to the whole Libyan population...
I've met Libyans who thought their countries leader is a disgrace to their national identity!



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User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2479 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (6 years 21 hours ago) and read 2894 times:



Quoting RJ100 (Reply 9):
What I know is that one of biggest petrol station networks, Tamoil, is receiving the oil from Libya. And if I remember correctly Tamoil has even some strong connections to Kadhafi or his family members.

This just gets better and better.  Silly I read somewhere that Libya actually owns a couple of Tamoil tank stations. Can't find the link right now. If this is true, then in the end they will end up harming no one else but themselves.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (6 years 21 hours ago) and read 2894 times:



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 12):
the whole Libyan population...
I've met Libyans who

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This exactly is one of the worst aspects. That Libyans not connected to the Khaddafis also will suffer under the developments.


User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3427 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (6 years 20 hours ago) and read 2872 times:



Quoting RJ100 (Reply 6):
50% of the oil used in Switzerland is from Libya,

They said 20% on SF 10vor10. And the head of the swiss oil comission (?) said that its not going to have any impact on fuel prices.

Khadaffi is such a monkey. I just sicerely hope that next time anybody of his family wants to come to Switzerland, he'll be nicely escorted back to his plane. What an idiot.


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

Kadhafi's son seems to be completely nuts. Some examples of his behaviour in the last months:

-Driving a car in Paris under influence with 140 km/h
-Ignoring red lights while driving, bitching against police (he believes he is a diplomat, but he isn't)
-Beating his pregnant girlfriend
-Major role in French call-girl mafia

Also, the mother of one of the hotel staff, is missing since this case. Since she lived in Libya, I would not be surprised if Kadhafi "helped" a bit.

If you ask me he can take his 20% of oil and Switzerland should just search another supplier.



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

The whole family is a disgrace to the Arab people in general and will help to re-instate negatives already widely transported on media.
If Arab leaders have any statue ,they should distance themselves from this man,since he does not render their cause any service.He might not be tied to terrorist activities any longer but definitely is a sick man with an even sicker off-spring crowd!



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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 hours ago) and read 2817 times:

Now I again read that in 2006, 48.8% of the oil used in Switzerland, is from Libya. There seems to be a confusion about these numbers. The rest is from Nigeria and Kazachstan.

Also latest news is that the two Swiss arrested in Libya are held in a prison in rooms with 20 others in inacceptable conditions. The hygienic situation is a desaster. Also note that the two Swiss are only accused of minor things, such as problems with visa regulations.

With this unacceptable behaviour, I hope Switzerland will show a strong position and will not excuse for anything. Also Switzerland should think about if and how much business we should do with such countries in future...



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

What are the Swiss like? Always getting into unneccessary fights with other countries  Yeah sure






















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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 hours ago) and read 2770 times:



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 15):
that next time anybody of his family wants to come to Switzerland, he'll be nicely escorted back to his plane.

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you should not generalize. Some of that family are really nice and well-behaved people. That Hannibal is ill-behaving and his father a bit on the mad side should not result in measures against all other members of the family, and neither against all Libyans. Whenever of course, all Libyans may be affected in the end.
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Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 17):
If Arab leaders have any statue ,they should distance themselves from this man

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most have done so for decades, while at the other hand trying their very best to get ahead with regional co-operation in fields like economy, infrastructure etc in spite of the sporadic fits and outbursts of "dear" Muammar !
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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3427 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (5 years 12 months ago) and read 2709 times:

Well, the two Swiss citizens have been released after Switzerland paid CHF9000 for each of the two, while Libya paid half a Million for Khadaffis son. That's probably why Khadaffi was so pissed  rotfl 

User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 12 months ago) and read 2703 times:



Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 7):
What I find 'funny' about this whole situation is that over the past couple of years I've heard many Swiss always bitch about the Americans and how they get their oil from 'friendly" countries like Saudi Arabia. 50% of our oil is being supplied by Libya!? We're not one damn better.

Because it's fashionable in Europe to kick uncle in the shins. It's ever so much easier to have someone to vilify....kinda makes it easier to ignore the messes you've got on hand that are of your own making.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2676 times:



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 22):
Because it's fashionable in Europe to kick

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it simply is NOT about who is "better", but rather who is more important. Switzerland and Libya in worldwide terms are of mediocre relevance, while the USA and Saudi Arabia are of prime relevance in world affairs.
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AND because few people in Switzerland realized A) how much oil Switzerland gets from Libya, B) that a major retail-company (TAMoil) and a major refinery are owned by Libya, and finally C) that the Libyan oil is said to be of a particularily high quality, which together with the logistical advantage is an economic argument
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At present, the two Swiss are in the embassy in Tripoli, the "oil-boycott" apparently is called off, and Swiss diplomats and industry-delegates are working hard on getting things back to normal.


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2668 times:



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 23):
it simply is NOT about who is "better", but rather who is more important. Switzerland and Libya in worldwide terms are of mediocre relevance, while the USA and Saudi Arabia are of prime relevance in world affairs.

That's not it at all and you know it. Nobody said anything about better or bigger. It's simply a diversion that a lot of you people enjoy...for some a guilty sneaky pleasure, for others an overt outlet for pentup rage and hostility. Kinda like how everyone's bitching about Monsanto the great Satan without really having any idea what they're talking about.

Fact is, my gourmet friend, if one's frame of reference is prejudice, one is bound to be misled in his judgments, don't you think?


25 SandroZRH : Yawn...
26 Dougloid : The truth is always sooooooooo boring to y'all, unless it's your truth, isn't it?
27 ME AVN FAN : - maybe maybe, but the primary fact is that Mr Khaddafi is NOT commanding a particular religious sect, is NOT a leader of religious or political rele
28 ME AVN FAN : sure, prejudice is a danger to correct judgment always - - What YOU mean of course is true, but what he means is two things, and that is that many US
29 Dougloid : Why this unhealthy fascination with the minutia of life here (Oh! Britney showed her pussy in public! How primitive! and then you get that delicious
30 ME AVN FAN : - Europe is generally doing cafe conversation about its own assholes and morons. But the USA is part of the world and so, GWB is handled along with p
31 Dougloid : Of course. But you're talking about a single person who has way less power and influence than the average European thinks, because he's already accep
32 ME AVN FAN : - Sure, but it is not only US-Americans or the USA which is victim to "uninformed commentary". And so, US-Americans simply should not take everything
33 Janmnastami : You're perfectly right, but considering that Lybia is not a democratic country (in my opinion) and that Khaddafi is a dictator, it wouldn't surprise
34 Dougloid : Here's a blanket stipulation that should be of use to you all, and perhaps after you internalize this you could try and move on, people? Postcard fro
35 ME AVN FAN : - Not yet at least. It right now apparently is considered to grant him this immunity by agreeing to regard him as a "diplomatic functionary on tempor
36 Pyrex : Oh my God, the Humanity! Do you mean the massive Swiss Navy will no longer be allowed to refuel its mediterranean fleet in Libya? What about its comm
37 Dougloid : Pyrex, you're killin' me. The Swiss Navy may have to share dock space with the Luxembourg Grand Fleet and the South Dakota Navy.
38 Post contains links and images ME AVN FAN : - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://flagspot.net/flags
39 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - Nobody spoke about military naval forces, the problem is a fairly sizeable COMMERCIAL fleet, owned by Swiss companies and/or operated under Swiss f
40 Pyrex : Stop poking wholes in my debauchery with your damn facts! I work 80 hours per week for the Swiss, I could at least be entitled to make some fun of th
41 ME AVN FAN : - why not, but fact (sorry, another fact ! ) is that not only the press but also the general public in Switzerland did NOT perceive the matter as fun
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