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Obama: "The Surge Will Not Work"! Wrong Mr Obama!  
User currently offlinePlatypus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

Obama stated " The Surge would not work"! Well, the Surge did, in fact work. Obama voted against the surge from day one! Now, Obama and the vast majority of the media are trying give credit to Obama because he made a logical statement regarding the pullout of Iraq in 16 months. However, the only reason why, such a suggestion is feasible, is solely due to the success of the Surge, which he was dead set against!!!

If Mr Obama had it his way, America would have failed in Iraq!!!

Cheerio


Subject: Obama: "Surge will not work"

http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...JkYmMxNzcyZjdkNDZhODUxMTNmYWY2YzM=


Great video about how David Axelrod this week says: "of course Obama believed the surge would work" and then a clip of Obama saying 8 months ago "of course the surge will NOT work"...

[Edited 2008-07-28 14:44:21]

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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6568 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2926 times:

Obama needs to admit that the surge, by and large, worked. There seem to be some arguments regarding the timing of the surge vs. the suni uprising. But if dodo-head had put adequate troops in there at the beginning........





"I'll will restore dignity and honor to the White House"

GW Bush 2000

WRONG!



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5861 posts, RR: 39
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

who's the surge working for? US troops or the Iraqi people? because at the end of the day its the Iraqi people that have to live there...


civilian/Iraqi security forces death toll since the surge commenced...if that's indicative of working then its party time...consider it mission accomplished!

Period Total
Jul-08 332
Jun-08 450
May-08 506
Apr-08 744
Mar-08 980
Feb-08 674
Jan-08 554
Dec-07 548
Nov-07 560
Oct-07 679
Sep-07 848
Aug-07 1,674
Jul-07 1,690
Jun-07 1,345
May-07 1,980
Apr-07 1,821
Mar-07 2,977
Feb-07 3,014

[Edited 2008-07-28 15:13:06]


a true friend is someone who sees the pain in your eyes, while everyone else believes the smile on your face.
User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8971 posts, RR: 39
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2906 times:



Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 1):
Obama needs to admit that the surge, by and large, worked.

Lower level of troops + lower level of violence = progress
Lower level of troops + same level of violence = progress
Same level of troops + less violence = progress
Same level of troops + same violence = stagnation
More troops + same level of violence = no progress
More troops + increased level of violence = no progress
More troops + reduced level of violence = not necessarily progress

Success must be measured by the ability of Iraq to hold itself together for every coalition soldier removed from the country. The surge isn't successful, nor practical, if it needs to last forever.



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2900 times:



Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 1):
"I'll will restore dignity and honor to the White House"

GW Bush 2000

WRONG!

Again, you can't bring up facts to Platypus. He's off in a neo-conservative dreamworld, where anyone who says they're liberal is the enemy, and a conservative never did anything wrong.

It doesn't matter anymore who was for/against the surge, Platy. The surge is over. It worked to a large degree, and tha is good. Now, we have to start thinking about a timetable for withdrawl.

Your party is reluctant to withdrawl, even with improved conditions. The Democrats, despite all their imperfections, realize we can't stay in Iraq forever, nor should we. And, despite your hysteria, beginning in February of 2009, President Obama will begin the process of bringing our troops out of Iraq, and concentrating the troops strength on the REAL war on terrorism, in Afghanistan.


User currently offlinePlatypus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2897 times:



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 3):
The surge isn't successful, nor practical, if it needs to last forever.

I agree completely! THe continued security, will enable the Iraqi forces to mature, then stand on their own.

Cheerio


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2883 times:

Did the surge work? By what standard are you using?

The tactical goal of this surge was the reduction of sectarian violence and terrorist attacks in Iraq. By every measure this happened. Iraq is a far safer place do to the addition of US forces. No one can deny that there is a tactical success in Iraq.

This being said, the strategic goal of the surge was to provide breathing room for political reconciliation. During the year and few months of this surge, there has been no legislation passed by the Iraqi government regarding political inclusion. This supposed breathing room failed to resolve the biggest issue of national oil revenues. As long as the central government of Iraq does not take responsibility for all factions within their country, there will be no lasting peace. This is why the surge has been a strategic failure.

Two other comments, if the surge worked why isn't our force been reduced to a level smaller than the pre-surge level? The effects on troop rotations and how the Army handles it as yet to be seen.

One other point, has OBL been captured yet? Wasn't he the one that the government blamed for 9/11?

[Edited 2008-07-28 15:25:25]

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2875 times:



Quoting Platypus (Reply 5):
THe continued security, will enable the Iraqi forces to mature, then stand on their own.

We've been hearing that line since 2004. It's only since Gen. Petraus got in there that things have started to improve. He's one sharp guy, that General. He's the reason why the situation in Iraq is finally getting better.


User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2868 times:



Quoting Platypus (Thread starter):
If Mr Obama had it his way, America would have failed in Iraq!!!

Am I missing something here? If Obama had had his way, there never would have been an Iraq war, no need for a surge, and 4000 US soldiers probably still alive.

Having said that, I hope the surge did work and Obama's prediction was wrong. But it's way too soon to tell for sure, Check again in about 5 years, or maybe 12 months after the last American solder has departed the country. The state of the nation of Iraq post-US occupation will be the right measure for success of the surge.



Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
User currently offlinePlatypus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2868 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
It worked to a large degree, and tha is good.

Not according to your boy Obama! He was for failure in Iraq! Is that what you wanted, failure?

Cheerio

http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_9998957

Obama was wrong about the surge

Obama voted against the surge, he said then, because he was convinced that inserting 20,000 more troops into Iraq was likely to make things worse, not better. Now trying to justify that miscall, he says he couldn't have anticipated the Sunni Awakening.

He could anticipate that the surge wouldn't work. But he couldn't anticipate that the Sunnis would turn on al-Qaeda? Actually, Obama had more information at his fingertips in assessing the probability of the surge's success than he did for any of his other predictions, including assurance from commanders on the ground that local tribal leaders were showing a willingness to take on al-Qaeda.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2860 times:



Quoting Arrow (Reply 8):
Quoting Platypus (Thread starter):
If Mr Obama had it his way, America would have failed in Iraq!!!

Am I missing something here? If Obama had had his way, there never would have been an Iraq war, no need for a surge, and 4000 US soldiers probably still alive.

Thank you! The man wins the General Petraus Action Figure!!

You see, Platy, no matter what happens from here on out, we've already failed in so many ways. We extended terrorism; we sacrificed 4100 of our finest young men and women, not to mention thousands of Iraqi's, which means nothng to you anyway; we threw away all the good will we had after 9/11 because of this damn fool of a war.

Quoting Platypus (Reply 9):
Is that what you wanted, failure?

I was the first one on this board to come out in favor of the Surge. Sen. Obama was wrong on it. So what? I know it's difficult for you to believe that people actually do vote for someone they may disagree with on some issues-I say that, because it seems Mr. Bush has never made a decision you didn't agree with.

That says more about you than it does him.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2851 times:

"The Surge Will Not Work"! Wrong Mr Obama! "

No, and any buffoon who runs around insulting the intelligence of 'thinking minds' by screaming 'The Surge Worked'... is clueless about this short sighted, smoke n' mirrors act.

Let's put things in proper perspective about this Surge nonsense for once and for all...

(let alone TODAY, 57 people were killed by suicide bombers in Iraq).

First off what is 'the surge'? (Don't forget, also 'paying off' some of the militias to keep it down)

A build-up of massive troop strength/presence to quell escalating violence.

In terms that the every-man can relate..

Take any violent/crime-riddled area in any US city (or the world for that matter)..
..crime is out of control. Now the police brings in a massive show of force, SWAT, the entire kitchen sink. RESULT: Of course the crime is going to subside! The criminals aren't stupid!!! Without question they are going to lie low... go underground or even go hangout with their cousins/relatives/distant gangsters.

Now did the surge work? Of course it did... now.. BUT for how long.

The criminals know that .. THAT particular police presence CAN'T stay there forever, it cannot be maintained without exorbitant cost. So what do they do? They wait it out in many cases..but in other instances..they set up shop elsewhere (another side of town - as the has Iraqi violence). And now the Cop Surge has start all over again the cops relocate and go to where the new criminal activity has erupted. No city budget could sustain such an ongoing operation.

Which takes us back to the Surge (Iraqi-style), if any of you 'Surge-Happy Cheerleaders' think for a minute that the warring factions of Baghdad, Fallujah, Sadr City and the other explosive spots

..have been eliminated, you're dangerously mistaken.

..if you think they retired, you're dangerously mistaken.

..if you think they've had new found attacks of conscience/religion..wrong again..

And who knows this better than any of us as we type from the safety of our keyboards?

..the Iraq citizens themselves, they know with dead on accuracy that as soon as the 'Surge Forces' withdraw (thinking everything is cool and calm)..

..that the sh*t will hit the fan immediately after the last humvee rolls off into the sunset. The locals know that they cannot leave like US troops, they must live there, raise their kids there, no matter what city they travel to in Iraq, Sunni vs Shia vs Kurds vs whomever is going to be an dangerous concern. This is a much bigger problem than the singular dimension the Bush Admin ever entertained when they sought out this escapde!

So if the goal of 'the Surge' was to put a lid on some of the violence (chiefly in Baghdad)..then it did just that.

Sooooo... what was the point? Really, what was the point in the bigger picture of things?

Because in the real world, it is simply 'Violence Delayed'... these people are going sort this out (violently) unfortunately, whether we like it not. Make no mistake, the Surge is going to end..and when it does, just what do think is going to happen? You're right back at square one! It's going to happen anyway, whether you know it or not, even Iraqi Security Forces, trained (and those being trained) have already chosen sides for the Post-Surge landscape. ..but this time there will be no 'Surge II' in sight.

What was the cost? 100s of millions of US dollars and 100s of US lives (Surge only).. just so some people can round around saying 'Look, look, look...it's quiet there now, just 10-15 killings a day instead of 100s! Are you F*N kidding me? Do you people balance your checkbooks with this kind of make-believe outlook?


So..was it worth it?

...not one red cent.

Quoting Platypus (Thread starter):
If Mr Obama had it his way, America would have failed in Iraq!!!

It has failed. Victory American style can only be achieved in a area where 'American termed Victories' can be interpreted and supported. Our definition of victory is not what the local Iraqi thinks of as a victory..thus the insurgents. No matter how you slice it, this wrong headed idea of going to Iraq cannot be 'prettied up' and called a 'win or a victory'. Putting lipstick on a pig won't make it any prettier (at least not in Blue States)... it's still a pig.

..and Iraq is killing the US Piggy Bank because some of you want to beat your chest that US won ... one bad and costly endeavor, 'a place a it had no business being' in the 1st place. WHO on earth wants that kind of a 'win'? Usually it's people who've never been in a fight of any kind or people who have no sense of 'Right and Wrong'.

Mr Obama (and many others) possess the foresight to see it 'as it is', a very very bad and costly situation that has cost us 4000+ of our young people (and untold Iraqi Tragedies). Another George, whose last name was Washington ...would not have supported this AT ALL, nor Lincoln, nor Roosevelt, nor Truman anyone else who sat in that chair. How so many Americans got suckered into this trap..I will never know. But what's scary is they setting for creating the same conditions are being staged again..and they same eerily large numbers of Americans are lining up to walk down that path again as if it's something new and they've never ever seen it before-


BN747

[Edited 2008-07-28 16:25:02]


"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlinePlatypus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2835 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
ve already failed in so many ways

Are you a Liberal!  sarcastic 

What you and many others must accept is, regardless if the war was the proper thing to do or not, which BTW, the vast majority of dems in Congress voted for, and stressed the removal of Saddam in 98', what was the best thing to do when we were knee deep in this war?

Should we have done what Obama wanted, and pick up and run, in essence admit defeat? Or, think of a better plan and win the war, which was McCain's goal? I'd say the latter! The Iraqi people are far better off, and the nation as a whole should be able to stand up against Iran!

Cheerio



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080726/ap_on_an/iraq_winning_the_war

Analysis: US now winning Iraq war that seemed lost

That does not mean the war has ended or that U.S. troops have no role in Iraq. It means the combat phase finally is ending, years past the time when President Bush optimistically declared it had. The new phase focuses on training the Iraqi army and police, restraining the flow of illicit weaponry from Iran, supporting closer links between Baghdad and local governments, pushing the integration of former insurgents into legitimate government jobs and assisting in rebuilding the economy.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2826 times:



Quoting Platypus (Reply 12):
Are you a Liberal!

Boy, how long did it take you to figure that one out, Sherlock! I mean, you're on top of your game tonight.  Yeah sure

Sadly, that's the only way you see the world, in the light of "liberal/conservative". I wouldn't matter if Satan himself ran as a Republican. Because if he did, you'd give him two thumbs up, simply because he says he's "conservative".

Maybe, just maybe, if you let yourself out of that confined little box, that sees the world in such a limited scope, you might learn a few things. But I doubt you'll do that. Ignorance is so much more comforting.


User currently offlinePlatypus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2814 times:

-Falcon84

If you look in reply 12, you will see some criticism of GW! However, it is obvious, too many liberals see America in a negative light.

Would the Iraqi people been better off if the US pulled out when Obama wanted?

Cheerio


User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2811 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
Your party is reluctant to withdrawl, even with improved conditions.

I guess that is why the administration and the Pentagon are working on expediting withdrawls given a good report from the ground in Iraq in September?

Quoting AirCop (Reply 6):
This being said, the strategic goal of the surge was to provide breathing room for political reconciliation. During the year and few months of this surge, there has been no legislation passed by the Iraqi government regarding political inclusion

Hmmmm.....
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/21/mccain.op.ed/index.html

"Now Senator Obama has been forced to acknowledge that "our troops have performed brilliantly in lowering the level of violence." But he still denies that any political progress has resulted.
Perhaps he is unaware that the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad has recently certified that, as one news article put it, "Iraq has met all but three of 18 original benchmarks set by Congress last year to measure security, political and economic progress."


Which is probably a better percentage of getting things done than our Congress has accomplished in the past two years.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 6):
This supposed breathing room failed to resolve the biggest issue of national oil revenues.

The provinces are getting shares of the oil revenues. In the mean time that a permanent agreement has not been worked out does not mean they are not trying. Our Congress can't sort out medicare increases on a permanent basis and how many years has that been going on?

Quoting AirCop (Reply 6):
Two other comments, if the surge worked why isn't our force been reduced to a level smaller than the pre-surge level?

That was explained to you in another thread with a link to the story. Two brigades are overlappig and the one coming in has more troops in their TO&E than the one departing.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 6):
One other point, has OBL been captured yet?

No, because he is not in Iaq and no one has said he is.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 6):
Wasn't he the one that the government blamed for 9/11?

Yes and no one blamed Iraq for 9/11.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
I was the first one on this board to come out in favor of the Surge.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl  Wait, let me read that again.....

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
I was the first one on this board to come out in favor of the Surge.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 
With support like yours who needs detractors?

I'm certainly no big fan of Sen. McCain but he hit the nail on the head when it comes to Iraq and Sen. Obama in this speech.


http://www.nysun.com/national/mccain...-legislating-defeat-in-iraq/82653/


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2811 times:



Quoting Platypus (Reply 14):
If you look in reply 12, you will see some criticism of GW!

 rotfl 

Not from you, you hypocrite! Those are SOMEONE ELSE'S words, not yours!

YOU-you know, the "me, myself and I" person-you are unable to critisize him with your own words. You're incapable of it.

Quoting Platypus (Reply 14):
Would the Iraqi people been better off if the US pulled out when Obama wanted?

The Iraqi people would have been better off had we never stepped foot inside their country. So would have we, for that matter.


User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2795 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 16):
The Iraqi people would have been better off had we never stepped foot inside their country. So would have we, for that matter.

I'm sure those poor souls lying in some un-found, unmarked, mass grave agree completely with you. Especially the ones that actually thought that Bush 41 would come to their aid during their uprising. And what's a couple of thousand gassed Kurds to worry about? I mean we let Rwandans get hacked to death by the tens of thousands and didn't lift a finger to try and stop it.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2778 times:



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 17):
I'm sure those poor souls lying in some un-found, unmarked, mass grave agree completely with you.

I guess it's better to die by our deeds than his? Either way, thousands of Iraqi's are still dead, RJ, and so are 4100 Americans. But hey, I guess that doesn't mean much to you. Personally, a 4100 to 1 ratio doesn't strike me as a good deal.

Maybe you should tell those who have lost their loved ones in this war, how great it is that they died.


User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2770 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 18):
I guess it's better to die by our deeds than his?

How many would have continued to die by his hand? Guess the fact that we stopped that means nothing to you.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 18):
Either way, thousands of Iraqi's are still dead, RJ, and so are 4100 Americans. But hey, I guess that doesn't mean much to you.

And thousands more would still be ending up in those unmarked graves had we not intervened not only for the Iraqis but for our own security needs which is why those 4100 soldiers, Marines, sailors, and airmen gave their lives but you don't, and won't, ever get that because you don't know what it is to serve.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 18):
Personally, a 4100 to 1 ratio doesn't strike me as a good deal.

Then neither was the ratio of losses to get rid of Hitler, Mussolini, and Tojo.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2765 times:



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 15):
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/21/mccain.op.ed/index.html

This link is worthless..its a McCain op-ed piece so of course it's going to be slanted. Besides the benchmarks are quite subjective. The real question is the future: can Iraq get a government that can keep things going in the right direction?

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 15):
Yes and no one blamed Iraq for 9/11.

Again why did we go to war with Iraq, when Afghanistan is where the mess began. Last time I check our progress in Afghanistan has been going backwards.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 15):

The provinces are getting shares of the oil revenues.

Didn't the Bush administration tell the Congress that the oil revenue was going to pay for the war?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 16):

The Iraqi people would have been better off had we never stepped foot inside their country. So would have we, for that matter.

 checkmark  Been saying this for nearly seven years, it's Afghanistan..What ever RJ wants to say about Iraqi, at least the country was a stabilizing influence over Iran.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 15):
I guess that is why the administration and the Pentagon are working on expediting withdrawls given a good report from the ground in Iraq in September?

Finally since when are airline dispatchers are kept in the loop by the White House?


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2764 times:



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 19):
How many would have continued to die by his hand?

And since when is the internal politics of ANY NATION our business? There are dictators all over the world killing like Saddam did. Where is our invasion of those places? Answer: Saddam wasn't an old enemy.

The fact is the WMD was just a ploy, and we all know that now. If we're so righteous, then we should be going after all dictators. We're not. So toss that one out the window.


User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2754 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 20):
The real question is the future: can Iraq get a government that can keep things going in the right direction?

According to the U.S. Embassy in Iraq they are but ignore their assessment of how the Iraqi's are meeting the benchmarks.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 20):
Again why did we go to war with Iraq, when Afghanistan is where the mess began

Why is it so hard for liberals to wrap their heads around a two front war?

Quoting AirCop (Reply 20):
Last time I check our progress in Afghanistan has been going backwards.

So was our progress in Europe in December 1944, glad Falcon wasn't around then or he would have been pushing an evacuation back to Britain.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 20):
Didn't the Bush administration tell the Congress that the oil revenue was going to pay for the war?

Yes, and they still can.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 20):
What ever RJ wants to say about Iraqi, at least the country was a stabilizing influence over Iran.

Really, so Hezbollah really didn't get any funds from Iran? Iran wasn't developing long range missiles when Saddam was in charge or buying silkworm missiles from China and pointing them out into the Straight of Hormuz?

Quoting AirCop (Reply 20):
Finally since when are airline dispatchers are kept in the loop by the White House?

They don't have to be. All an airline dispatcher has to do to comment on what I have said is read the news. Try it sometime.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
The fact is the WMD was just a ploy, and we all know that now. If we're so righteous, then we should be going after all dictators. We're not. So toss that one out the window.

Again, why is it so difficult for liberals to wrap their heads around more than one idea at once? Perhaps because it takes intellect and all liberals have is emotion?


User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2740 times:



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 22):
liberals



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 22):
liberals



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 22):
liberals

Obsessed much? I think there's an underlying problem here RJ. In your other posts all you seem to do is paint liberals all the same. Your clairvoyance is astounding.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 22):
Perhaps because it takes intellect and all liberals have is emotion?

 rotfl  This is hilarious. Some of the most brilliant minds in the world would consider themselves liberals. But I guess to be a doctor, or a scientist one mustn't rely on intellect, only emotion can get you to those professions. See, statements like the ones you just made are reasons why I can't take you seriously. You see yourself to be superior to liberals. Which, isn't true by a long shot.

Learn to enjoy your fellow American, not see those who disagree with you as the enemy. I'd venture that you would learn a lot more that way.

Dave



Yesterday we've sinned, today we move towards God. Touch the sky....love and respect...Safe Star!
User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2732 times:



Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 23):
Obsessed much? I think there's an underlying problem here RJ. In your other posts all you seem to do is paint liberals all the same. Your clairvoyance is astounding.

When you're ready dispute the assertion with some facts bring it on.

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 23):
But I guess to be a doctor, or a scientist one mustn't rely on intellect, only emotion can get you to those professions.

Are those professions political? Because that is the underlying topic of this thread, politics.

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 23):
You see yourself to be superior to liberals. Which, isn't true by a long shot.


I see the conservative political opinion, as it applies to fiscal and foreign policy, as being far superior to the liberal political opinion. And IMO it is true by a long shot.

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 23):
Learn to enjoy your fellow American, not see those who disagree with you as the enemy.

I don't see them as the enemy, I just see them as wrong.

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 23):
I'd venture that you would learn a lot more that way.

I've been wrong enough in the past to know that it's not the place I want to be. You'll figure that out as you grow up.


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26 Greggarious : Jesus Christ, what's with you people?!?!?! First off, I'm sorry if I view America's actions (actions, mind you... not the United States itself) that
27 StarAC17 : As said there would have been no Iraq of Obama had his way. Also he said we would have never known had what Obama was advocating in January 2007 had
28 DavestanKSAN : I don't have to dispute anything. You make a blanket statement about all liberals. Until you can prove you've interviewed all liberals in the US (I'm
29 StarAC17 : If the right wingers think that you have a hard time with the American left then Canada really needs to send you Bob Rae, Jack Layton (considered lef
30 Platypus : That's not the case anymore. The only way America could have failed was if Obama had his way, and pull out prematurely. Pure speculation and conjectu
31 RJdxer : And that is the worst position of all, one of continuing to say "all is lost" when it clearly is not. It's why Sen. Obama was wrong in 2003 and in 20
32 Post contains links AirCop : What? This is written by LT General Robert Gard - USA (Ret) Since the beginning of this year, military experts that I've talked to argue that the fal
33 Falcon84 : Again, don't let facts get in the way of Platypus' "triumphant" war, led by the "McCain Surge". How it became the "McCain Surge", I'm still trying to
34 Platypus : Good morning Falcon84 and Aircop, Sorry to burst your bubble regarding vetvoice, but it's obvious it has a left wing bias! I'm sure it does many posit
35 AirCop : Thanks for not taking time to read the article Platypus. Perhaps you should have read the mission statement: VetVoice is the online home of Iraq and A
36 Platypus : Mr Aircop, I read all that!!! I find it curious that they're bashing McCain, yet not having an issue with Obama neglecting to visit wounded troops in
37 Baroque : And counting at 30 July 2008. And as others point out, even successful is a moot description. Super post BN747 if I may say so and well argued and in
38 AirCop : And I wonder why Obama doesn't get any credit for an unannounced visit with no press of injured troops at a hospital in the Green Zone in Baghdad? If
39 D L X : In how long? "I think 16 months is about right." - McCain. At least Platypus is admitting that the surge wasn't successful, at least not yet.
40 Platypus : Ah yah, dah! And what does that tell you? He got the same amount of credit as McCain! But, that's not the issue, what is, is Obama's priorities! Appa
41 AirCop : Again this is why no one takes you seriously..What did Obama do to deserved your comment "about defaming America"?
42 Baroque : Mr AirCop, How could that article be so misrepresented by the monotreme?!!! But yet again there was no analysis of the propositions in the article so
43 RJdxer : Again, if you have facts that dispute what I am saying, present them for debate. Let's start with something easy, name one liberal leader that isn't
44 Falcon84 : He talked to them as equals-something Platy's hero that currently occupies the WH is incapable of doing. How dare he.
45 DavestanKSAN : Wake up. You paint liberals as all the same. That's factually wrong. You're wrong. Too bad you can't man up and admit you made a mistake. ?? Um. Isn'
46 StarAC17 : This completely depends on what you wanted from it. John McCain wanted (and he has said this) a reduction or elimination of American casualties and v
47 Aaron747 : I'd like you to post the relevant section of the Berlin speech where America was "defamed". If you can't, then never post on this topic again.
48 RJdxer : Of course in all of that dribble you weren't able to answer even one of my questions. Just one cheap and easy shot after another. Why am I not surpri
49 Post contains links Tugger : What do people here consider "the surge"? To me it implies the troop increase while it was all the other initiatives that were implemented along with
50 Platypus : This is what the goal was from day one! Giving credit to Obama regarding this issue is disingenuous, since without the success of the Surge, or if we
51 Tugger : BTW, has anyone considered that Obama may be able to actually get NATO, UN, and/or other nations to actually assist Iraq and send "supporting forces"
52 Platypus : Obi-Wan [Falcon84] has taught him well! There goal is to personally attack those that dare speak against the Dark side, in order to derail thread! Pe
53 NoUFO : There are more as stated before, such as the internal displacement you could witness in i.e. Baghdad.. "The surge" does have it's merits, but how muc
54 StarAC17 : And you really think the terrorists who may want to take over Iraq which is the case of Al-Queda is a militant Sunni organization really wants to pla
55 StarAC17 : To be fair McCain could do that too, he just has to show respect to the counties of NATO and drop the "Your with us or against us attitude." Sadly Bu
56 DavestanKSAN : One of your questions? If I'm not mistaken, you only asked me one, and I honestly couldn't understand it. Perhaps I should have asked for clarificati
57 RJdxer : Then don't play stupid. My words? The entire tone of the thread is political. From the subjet matter to the conversation. Not just me, everyone. It's
58 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Let's play your game. I was only referring to your questions on post 43. What, you didn't understand that? Can't you tell the underlying subtext to m
59 Baroque : Interesting article Tug, but when you get to this right near the end "a plan" oh is that what is needed does tend to float to the surface. Most of th
60 RJdxer : Sure, the underlying meaning of your words is that you are playing stupid. You can't dispute the statement I made with any logic, nor can you back up
61 Platypus : Sorry Dave, but RJdxer is correct here. You've pulled the Super Dave Dodge Maneuver on me multiple times. Where you blatantly take what is said out o
62 Sv7887 : It wasn't just Obama but the entire Democratic party's mandate for getting elected in 2006. They were banking on the Surge being a failed policy. I t
63 Dougloid : Confusing connection with causation is a common enough thing, methinks.
64 Baroque : That too, but the durability of the actual phenomena that are being celebrated has yet to be demonstrated. And taking that from a "maybe" to a causal
65 Dougloid : My mother always says "One robin doesn't make spring, either."
66 Baroque : And then there was also the story of the independent minded sparrow who decided not to fly south for the winter. A cautionary tale for those who decl
67 DavestanKSAN : Now that is funny coming from you. Maybe you should quit your job as a dispatcher and become a comedian. I can't believe you have the audacity to say
68 KhelmDTW : Well put. Toting the party line always leads to problems, on both sides of the aisle.
69 Platypus : He's more machine now, twisted and evil! You and halfa have to come to a consensus here! One of you thinks I'm another a-netter and you someone else!
70 DavestanKSAN : So, you gunna point out where I took your buddy's quote out of context, or you just gunna say random things? Which will it be Platy? No. OU812, it's
71 Platypus : You have yet to say anything relevant regarding this topic, you have yet to even mention the word Obama! If you have an issue with someone to the lev
72 DavestanKSAN : Haha. Really? I did? Post it please. Go ahead, do it. Don't make up lies and post them. You are creepy, and a liar. Please stop your nonsense. Thanks
73 RJdxer : If the shoe fits. All that and you still have been unable to answer a couple of relatively simple questions. And again you've taken the quote out of
74 StarAC17 : We'll agree to disagree there because its obvious your definition of success is different from mine.
75 Platypus : I would define success being a functioning government, and stability! I think the Surge enabled the government to mature some, and the stability achi
76 Post contains links Platypus : My friend Chris wants to "Bleep" a cow! He taped it. Here's the link you sent me: www.menothim.com Cheerio
77 Falcon84 : Coming from you-Mr. other-peoples'-one-liners-as-a-reply, that's absolutely hysterical! Wake me up when YOU say anything relavant to the subject, exc
78 Aaron747 : So success is defined by a stable Iraqi government that is increasingly looking to Iran for friendship and support? You certainly have a taste for hy
79 DavestanKSAN : So you're admitting you have an obsession. Nice. To the first one: No, but again, your quote didn't have the word political in it. To the second: ple
80 Platypus : Applesauce Your prodigy "Super Dave" has said nothing significant, nor relevant regarding this topic. All you need to do is look, and you will see th
81 RJdxer : I don't believe so. You posted liberal 3 times and I am replying that if the shoe fits. Obsession would be going on something like 3 or 4 different t
82 Baroque : Wow, so super Dave is prodigious, we agree at last!
83 Arrow : Anybody remember some of the Smothers Brothers best comedy routines? Some of the posts on this thread remind me of the battles I used to have with my
84 Baroque : Below the radar as well as the belt must be the explanation.
85 DavestanKSAN : Well, that's your opinion. Failing miserably? Hardly. I just confirmed by opinion of you, that's all. I believe you have an obsession with liberals.
86 Platypus : I believe you have an obsession with posting way way off topic! The title of this thread is: "Obama: The Surge Will Not Work! Wrong Mr Obama!" Would
87 RJdxer : A quick check of the threads I post the most in would reveal they mostly have to do with politics so go figure. Don't have to do a whole lot of soul
88 Aaron747 : Oh for Pete's sake, you haven't been on that topic in the last five posts and have still failed to respond to pertinent questions about your fallacio
89 Platypus : If we leave prematurely, [which Obama wanted to do] that might just happen. President Bush and the military generals have a far more prudent plan for
90 DavestanKSAN : Then why didn't you include it here: Oh boy. This is getting sad. I show that you were wrong again, and you can't even admit this mistake. Again, why
91 RJdxer : As you say, you thought I only asked you one, I showed you where you were mistaken. You didn't ask for all the questions I had asked. That is not a f
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