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Obama: US Past "tragic," Hints At Reparations  
User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4217 times:

http://starbulletin.com/2008/07/28/news/story05.html

Obama notes 'tragic' US past

Quote:
CHICAGO » Sen. Barack Obama, speaking to a gathering of minority journalists yesterday, stopped short of endorsing an official U.S. apology to American Indians but said the country should acknowledge its history of poor treatment of certain ethnic groups.

"There's no doubt that when it comes to our treatment of Native Americans as well as other persons of color in this country, we've got some very sad and difficult things to account for," Obama told hundreds of attendees of UNITY '08, a convention of four minority journalism associations.

The Hawaii-born senator, who has told local reporters that he supports the federal recognition bill for native Hawaiians drafted by U.S. Sen. Daniel Akaka, noted other ethnic groups but did not mention native Hawaiians when answering a question about his thoughts on a formal U.S. apology to American Indians.



Quote:
"I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it's Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds."

As usual when it comes to liberal Democrats, they are continually needing to apologize for America, and they are blatantly embarrassed by it. Liberals simply aren't proud of what the nation has achieved. They believe that everyone is a victim, no matter how long ago the injustice occurred.

As for that last quote, that'll go over very well. Reparations? Who the hell does he think he is? Jesse Jackson?

Anyway, Liberals, continue to drink the Kool-Aid while its cold.


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User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4211 times:



Quoting JCS17 (Thread starter):

As usual when it comes to liberal Democrats, they are continually needing to apologize for America, and they are blatantly embarrassed by it. Liberals simply aren't proud of what the nation has achieved.

So he makes a reasonable statement about the culpability of the US government in the treatment of native americans and slaves, and you think that he isn't proud of anything this country has achieved? Talk about overblown. Tell me this, are you proud of our history of slavery and the pathetic way that we dealt with native americans in the 19th century? Of course not, nobody is, and although I completely disagree with the idea of reparations, I don't think there is anything wrong with saying that we as a nation did wrong in our treatment of these people. You can't just gloss over the past and pretend that we've only ever done wonderful things as a nation, that's burying your head in a stinking pile of ignorance. Yes, these injustices occurred generations and generations ago, which makes actual payments totally inappropriate, but if these groups are seeking a formal apology, what's wrong with giving them one?


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11357 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4193 times:

It takes a special kind of jerk to decry someone lauding an apology for slavery and jim crow.


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13608 posts, RR: 61
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4192 times:
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Quote function not working for some reason, so here goes:

You can't just gloss over the past and pretend that we've only ever done wonderful things as a nation, that's burying your head in a stinking pile of ignorance.

I agree, however - at some point can't the past be left as the past, or are we as Americans destined to forever flog ourselves over something that none of us had anything to do with?



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4192 times:

"As usual when it comes to liberal Democrats, they are continually needing to apologize for America, and they are blatantly embarrassed by it. Liberals simply aren't proud of what the nation has achieved. They believe that everyone is a victim, no matter how long ago the injustice occurred."

Funny though, it was Reagan who apologized to the Japanese Americans who were imprisoned during WWII. Last time I checked he was not a liberal nor a Democrat.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6816 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4177 times:

No one’s glossing over the past, and no one denies that our own past isn’t spotless.

What I detest and am tired of (and JCS nails this) is the continued self-inflicted paralyzing guilt that somehow everything we stand for is screwed up because of some of these events of the past.

When do the sins of the past go away? How long do we, my generation and even my kids’ generation(s) have to pay the price for it?

Moreover, what Obama doesn’t mention is that we’re past it. He’s a presidential nominee. If he succeeds, he poses the single greatest threat to the status quo for blacks in this country. No other crutches, no other places to hide, no other bogeymen to blame. Time to move on.

If Obama had any integrity, he’d shut his piehole about this stuff and listen to a guy like Thomas Sowell, or have Dr. Walter Williams be an economic adviser. Start bringing other successful blacks into the tent instead of decrying the fact the tent isn’t big enough. And sack up and tell Je$$e Jack$on that he DOESN’T accept his apology! Tell him to STFU and get onboard with the “change” (the mystical word that makes everything rosy!) that’s coming. He could stand in the gap and instead he’s standing with his cheese in the wind on this.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11357 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4163 times:

EA CO AS says: I agree, however - at some point can't the past be left as the past, or are we as Americans destined to forever flog ourselves over something that none of us had anything to do with?

Here's the problem with that logic: it says in the future, we can cause harms, some utterly reprehensible, but we can escape liability by simply not doing anything about it until the only ones that could do something about it were not directly responsible for it. You know, kind of the same way we are racking up a huge national debt. Right? I'm not responsible for the debt that the WW2 generation racked up, so why should I have to pay it?



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6593 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4159 times:
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Quoting Slider (Reply 5):
When do the sins of the past go away? How long do we, my generation and even my kids’ generation(s) have to pay the price for it?

If you are catholic never..

Just playing devils advocate here... how long should Germany apologize to the Jews?



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9371 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4126 times:

his words are no different than all kinds of stuff we've been hearing from scores of Presidents and politicians, both sides of the fence.

excitement over this is ... stupid.



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User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4329 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4114 times:



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 4):
Funny though, it was Reagan who apologized to the Japanese Americans who were imprisoned during WWII. Last time I checked he was not a liberal nor a Democrat.

Reagan apologized when the generation of both the victims and the oppressors were still alive. A very timely and effective apology. However, what Barrack Hussein Obama and others of his ilk are suggesting is that we apologize for certain things that happened generations ago. Frankly, if we are going to do that then I suggest we have certain European nations jump on the band wagon because it was actually their policies during our Colonial era that instigated the subjugation and slaughter of millions of natives as well as the implementation of slavery in the New World.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21467 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4105 times:



Quoting Slider (Reply 5):
When do the sins of the past go away?

They don't. Ever.

What kind of people you are simply shows in how you're dealing with that fact.

If you don't want to be "inconvenienced" by reminders of the less savoury parts of your collective past, the only way to get there is to openly confront the past and make any further reminders redundant.

Positives and negatives don't simply "even out" arithmetically with positive achievements in other areas.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4102 times:

Quoting Slider (Reply 5):
How long do we, my generation and even my kids’ generation(s) have to pay the price for it?

To whom, and on whose behalf, is one to issue an apology? The ones who deserve the apology are likely already dead, with the exception of some survivors of more recent events, and the ones who should be issuing the apology are either already dead, refuse to apologize, or are in prison.

Nothing wrong with expressing personal sympathies, but the idea that one can apologize for others is silly and meaningless at best.

[Edited 2008-07-30 10:17:05]


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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4068 times:
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For some reason the quote function won't work in this thread.


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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4052 times:
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Well, it certainly isn't surprising since he has no connection to slavery except that maybe his white lineage(which he dumps on, ala his grandmother) may have been involved in slave trade. His father is Kenyan and wasn't a slave or a decendant of a slave. Obama said previously he was against repairations, but since it's obvious he's willing to change his position in order to gain support or votes.

As RedFlyer said, there are no slave survivors left, where the interned Japanese Americans were. And Native Americans were given their reservations for which gambling is their ongoing repairations.

This apology is nothing more than a campaign to open the door for repairations. He's not saying it, but that's left to the lawyers.



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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4035 times:

Man, I cant listen to this guy talk anymore ... their must be bubble in his Wernicke . Why all the stammering and stuttering , pausing and I, I ,I, I ,I .. believe the legacy of a a a a a slavrey .. pause.. uh uh uh uh should be better .. uh uh uh repaired by good inercity schools and jobs for everyone...

Not on the link attached but I heard the audio version this moring.

Wow , good luck.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11357 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4024 times:

I love how people like AGM100 prefer people that talk in soundbites as opposed to people who think when they speak.


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User currently offlineMaidensgator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4024 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 6):
I'm not responsible for the debt that the WW2 generation racked up, so why should I have to pay it?

You don't... None of it has been paid thus far in your lifetime, and the way things are going, none of it will be paid during any of our lifetimes...  Cool



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4022 times:
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For Obama supporters, you're in fabulous company



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

"Reagan apologized when the generation of both the victims and the oppressors were still alive"

You missed my point.

The thread starter said
"As usual when it comes to liberal Democrats, they are continually needing to apologize for America, and they are blatantly embarrassed by it. Liberals simply aren't proud of what the nation has achieved. They believe that everyone is a victim, no matter how long ago the injustice occurred."

This is just horse hockey. I pointed out a clear example of a GOP president making amends for a part of our history, so it is not just Liberal Democrats who feel the need to look at our selves and see that all was/is not perfect. It had nothing to do with the victims being alive or not, that was just the way you decided to twist the story.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6816 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

Klaus- it has nothing to do with my being “inconvenienced,” it has everything to do with the fact that we’re trying to move forward very encumbered. I think as a German, you know this all too well and the generational self-flagellation that Germany has done about the Holocaust and WWII. Making denying the Holocaust a crime in fact. And the natural zesty proud German nationalism has been totally neutered out of this self-inflicted institutional guilt you have. It’s paralyzing really.

Now contrast that with slavery in the USA. It is 2008 by my calendar. And we’re still discussing ludicrous things like reparations? Like apologies? For what? Do words make it alright? OK, if so, then I’m sorry. Who’s happy with that?

Do you get my point? I’m taking it to a ridiculous extreme to show how ridiculous the concept is. If we teach history appropriately, and inculcate in our children a proud sense of who we are, while fully acknowledging the warts of the past, and instill a voracious sense of critical thinking and historical appreciation, these mindless and nonsensical gestures will be dismissed for the insanity that they are.


User currently offlinePlatypus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

Obama should apologize profusely for his friend, mentor, Pastor of 20 years that's 2 decades people for the outrageous actions of Rev. Wright. However, Obama's actions suggest he sees eye to eye with Rev Wright! Obama expresses these views in a more subtle and conniving manner.

Obama has no problem putting down Amrica, yet condones Rev. Wright! Great judgement!  sarcastic 

See video " God Damn America" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc2FCJ7zWEQ

Cheerio

P.S. Obama's one to talk!


User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

I dont prefer sound bites , and I personally agree with Sen Obama's message about reparations . Just not sure how some people say that he is such a great orator .. I dont see it and his message gets lost in his speaking style.

You know it may be time for the Sen to give a speech about how great America is. Sure we are like any other nation , we have our painful sins.. but we are also a nation who tries to fix its problems.



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User currently offlineDragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3998 times:

Honestly I think all these formal apologies can fall in line with the baseball steroid hearings. Are there not more pressing matters that our elected officials can debate and come up with solutions for? It seems that to them, this is "working", or "accomplishing" something worthwhile. NO! Balancing a budget, winning a war, rebuilding our infrastructure, fixing health care. How about a little progress in these areas.

I guess the only thing congress can agree on is that our ancestors did some bad things, and that we are sorry. Super. Give everyone their tax money back and we will all buy some Hallmark cards and send our apologies. Save everyone a few thousand dollars, maybe Americans can use that money to fix their debt and pay for gas.



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User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4329 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3985 times:



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 18):
You missed my point.

No I didn't.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 18):
I pointed out a clear example of a GOP president making amends for a part of our history, so it is not just Liberal Democrats who feel the need to look at our selves and see that all was/is not perfect.

There's a huge difference between making amends when the victims are still alive and making amends when they have long ago turned to dust.

By the way, I don't believe Reagan pushed for the reparations to the victims of the WW2 internment camps. I think all he did was sign the bill that was initiated and passed by the Democrat-controlled congress of the time.

Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 22):
Honestly I think all these formal apologies can fall in line with the baseball steroid hearings.

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Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 22):
Are there not more pressing matters that our elected officials can debate and come up with solutions for?

Unfortunately, this proposal smells of money to those who are descendants of the victims. And as usual, the liberal thinking is that money - government money - is the answer to all that ails society.



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3961 times:

Quote function still isn't working for me.


Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 18):
You missed my point.

No I didn't.

I think you did, but that is a matter of opinion.



"By the way, I don't believe Reagan pushed for the reparations to the victims of the WW2 internment camps. I think all he did was sign the bill that was initiated and passed by the Democrat-controlled congress of the time. "

And he didn't veto it why again?

Why can't you people just admit that the OP's opening about Liberal Democrats hating America was B.S. flamebait and just move on.

It's hard being a "ditto head" isn't it?


25 RedFlyer : Perhaps political expediency knowing with a Democratic-controlled Congress his veto would be overridden (just a guess)? Or maybe because he lived thr
26 Post contains links Platypus : Excuse me, But didn't over 600,00 Americans die because of the Civil War? Yes! Over 350,000 union and 260,000 Confederate soldiers died as a result to
27 Mt99 : Good job Karl Rove, Good job...
28 Dvk : The rampant paranoia of some of the right wingers is boundless. Some of you just need to give it a rest, and stop with the gross exaggeration.
29 Sv7887 : Ummm have you noticed the two really tall buildings that are missing in New York City lately? How about a few US Embassies in Africa too? Countered b
30 Jetjack74 : Well, they haven't heard about 9/11 yet. We'll see him change his tune when terrorist start blowing up buildings in Olso or Stavanger.
31 Dvk : The quote feature wouldn't work for some reason, but Sv7887, those are YOUR words, and a confirmatory example of what I was referring to. I don't thin
32 Sv7887 : I was just repeating the words of many on A.net and the kind of crap I listen to every day.. I don't have a problem with someone finding Bush incompe
33 Bok269 : In my mind, the time comes to move on once the effects of our actions are no longer visible. Today, a large portion of the Native American population
34 AirStairs : How can we quantify which parts of the current native American social and economic issues are a direct result of discriminatory government action? Th
35 RJdxer : I say pay them. Why not. Pay them and apologize. Then it's done and it can't be brought up again, ever. Wonder what the justice brothers would do for
36 BN747 : Now I understand why Rush Limbaugh received a $400 million dollar contract extension...because he has an audience out there who will allow themselves
37 OlegShv : Excellent post, BN747. Every nation has low and high points in history. If low points will be downplayed in the classrooms and eventually forgotten,
38 Falcon84 : I think there are far too many Americans who still have not come to terms with some of the not-so-nice things we've had in our past: the wars against
39 AirStairs : Why do you try to characterize the opposing argument like that? I've not read one person in this discussion try to deny or negate that several state
40 Post contains links BN747 : And the black Americans who've been denied due process, cheated, systematically eliminated from pursuit of the American dream from that same WWII era
41 BN747 : Have meaningful discussions with someone (others) of diverse views..vs those with like minded views. Why would I..I've not said that. No, people like
42 AirStairs : In my personal life, I have frequent, honest and varied discussions with black white indian hispanic asian european muslim jew christian hindu athies
43 Post contains images Stratosphere : Remember kids we don't need to drill for oil, just keep your car tuned up and tires inflated.
44 Blackbird : Just because we didn't put all the Native-Americans in an ashtray after gassing them to death doesn't mean what our country did didn't amount to genoc
45 AirStairs : The UN defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religiou
46 BN747 : And continued rich, rewarding experiences as such should always keep you ahead of the curve of 'change'.. No it isn't, but it could achieve so much m
47 AirStairs : I don't follow...what is the enormous social conflict that we are currently experiencing? That certain ethnicities tend to be unsuccessful economical
48 BN747 : Because your time on the planet is rather limited..much in this discussion is rather limited within your 'real life' experiences with this issue. You
49 D L X : BN747, this is your best post ever.
50 Radarbeam : Funny that JCS17 always start inflammatory topics but never seems to respond after it's initial posting. It seems he can't debate his own ideas.
51 Dragon6172 : I would like to know what we will gain with this formal apology? We all going to feel nice and warm and happy inside? Hog wash. Government has more pr
52 IAirAllie : There are still victims and perpetrators alive in Germany and around the world.
53 L-188 : I really hope that Barak Hussain Obama pushes this issue, because it will drive away moderates. He already was the black vote because they generally s
54 N328KF : My ancestors didn't enslave anyone (that I know of.) Piss on reparations.
55 PPVRA : I don't. Never said this. I don't. Awful things were done. I don't disown, why do you assume such a thing? Guilt is how YOU choose to deal with it. I
56 AirStairs : What I am trying to get at is: what does pulling the lever look like to you? Where does the law read differently for different ethnicities in this co
57 Klaus : You have no idea what you're talking about. Being aware of the past and its very real repercussions to this day is a completely different thing to "f
58 HuskyAviation : So with this "end of racism", will it also be the end of blacks blaming everything but themselves for the problems within their community, and begin t
59 Baroque : Thanks D L X for drawing my attention to BN747's post, you were not wrong either. And his Reply 49 was not so dusty either. This election does not se
60 MaidensGator : I think all history is fun. Because it's HISTORY. It's done, gone, already happened, CANNOT BE CHANGED. But history can teach lessons. You seem to th
61 Post contains links BN747 : What on earth are you talking about? I never quoted or addressed anything to you...or anything you've said. Much appreciated DLX, however I do need t
62 AirStairs : Yes, it failed to protect certain races for hundreds of years, but has now reversed formally all of those practices and furthermore passed a law to k
63 IAirAllie : Gee thanks alot for furthering the dialogue with that stupid picture. I really appreciate you justifying the liberal smear stereotype of a racist con
64 MaidensGator : Not hundreds of years... Hell, the U.S. is only about 230 years old. I don't know about equal opportunities... That's what it reads, but let me give
65 PPVRA : I have dual Brazilian-German citizenship. I never said you should forget about the past. The lessons are important, and should never be forgotten, bu
66 Stratosphere : Take it easy Allie..For the record I don't like either candidate and I am an independant. I was just poking fun at Obama's inflate your tires speech..
67 AirStairs : I think that we are probably actually in agreement on this issue: I used 'hundreds' in response to BN747, who used the term. It is not completely acc
68 MaidensGator : You're right, I don't disagree with the premise of your posts. I wasn't knocking what you wrote, and I hope you didn't take it that way. Federal law
69 Klaus : As I've said above, germans aren't automatically immune to cluelessness either. That "gang of thugs" involved much of the german population at the ti
70 PPVRA : Quit assuming I don't understand the significance of these events. I can control my own actions. I cannot control and thus cannot be held responsible
71 Santosdumont : Quote function not working. Hey Stratosphere, you forgot to add the pick with the fist-type handl Platypus said: "Excuse me, But didn't over 600,00 Am
72 Baroque : I think you are missing a step in the "logic" Santos, it NEVER happened so it certainly cannot happen again!
73 Post contains links PPVRA : Only the Guilty Are Guilty, Not Their Sons By Elie Wiesel The above is a good article to everyone, Germans and non-Germans.
74 Post contains links BN747 : Very fun for me to talk about, except when people like you attempt to obscure the facts statments like the curve you threw below. http://southernloya
75 Post contains links MaidensGator : Not obscuring facts, just stating a few facts that don't happen to agree with your narrow view of history. See the funny thing is, to study history,
76 BN747 : Wrong on all counts, the correction of past wrongs had HARDLY took root until revisionists (and those that see nothing wrong with past discrimination
77 MaidensGator : I'm done... It's people like you that perpetuate the hate... and you're proud of it...
78 D L X : 1) Do you believe that ignoring it will make it go away? 2) How does this conversation still have anything to do with the opening post?
79 BN747 : A very interesting observation. So who exactly am I perpetuating 'hate' upon....? BN747
80 AirStairs : Woaaah there I must be missing something because it was also a white government that eventually abolished slavery and, later, Jim Crow. You paint an
81 BN747 : Yeah, you're missing quite a bit.... you took a quatum leap from my 'white gov't sanctioning slavery -- all the way - to the future when internationa
82 RJdxer : As much as we as a nation should remember the past, it's a shame that we overlook as well as celebrate the gains we've made. However, to some, as evid
83 PPVRA : You perpetuate racism by continuing to THINK like a racist. You think in terms of whites and blacks. You think it terms of groups, not individuals, a
84 Post contains links BN747 : If I did, I would have never use the terms (above) 'some whites', 'some blacks', many whites, most white law makers, etc.. ..you don't read as well a
85 HuskyAviation : Funny, which is exactly what you do in every post, by immediately questioning someone's credibility by saying "well, you're white, and a white govern
86 Post contains images PPVRA : I just skimmed over the thread again, and did not see any examples of that. With that said, I might have missed it. You certainly didn't use it often
87 PPVRA : PS: This ain't "psycho-analyze" in the slightest. This is two philosophies: collectivism and individualism.[Edited 2008-08-05 12:56:10]
88 AirStairs : Okay, feel free to discard Jim Crow from the argument, it still stands. The government that in one instant condoned salvery and the next freed the sl
89 Post contains links BN747 : First off, I'm not entitled to anything nor do I think I should be and if I were I'd have no need/use for it. I do I want? Good question, I want exac
90 AirStairs : I think that racism is maybe not endemic, but not uncommon either. I don't think that racism, prejudice or discrimination will ever be "done" but I d
91 BN747 : They certainly did...they lived very very modestly, King gave all $200, 000+ of his Nobel Peace Prize to the Civil Rights Movement. Even Malcolm X, a
92 Post contains links PPVRA : I'm not a conservative, but a liberal. Classic liberal to be more precise. And it is in this area that I think you are confusing ideals. I saw this,
93 BN747 : Do show me where I state that. No, we understand each other very well. The problem is you want list individuals who were responsible and exonerate th
94 UAL757 : I really hope Obama doesn't win this election. I hope the lesser of two evils does. That would be McCain.[Edited 2008-08-05 23:09:24]
95 Baroque : Wow, this racism IS just awful, now I am agreeing with Rjdxer.
96 PPVRA : Here: But to your credit, you also said the following: And this, aside from not knowing you personally, is one of the only things that keeps me from
97 BN747 : Okay, for you to take this and the other three examples as an indictment of ALL WHITES (by me) is beyond absurdity. Why not continue going off the de
98 Dvk : How does the Nazi/German paradigm come up short? I think six million exterminated Jews and their families would disagree with you. Unless you can bett
99 PPVRA : Obviously there is no point debating the issue, as you see yourself omniscient of the issue. Those who disagree are white, ignorant, racists, are try
100 AirStairs : I am not talking about their financial means, but lifestyles in the public eye. I am familiar with both of their views on the black situation at the
101 Post contains links BN747 : And it's crystal clear you have your very own peculiar way of interpreting not only the words of others, but history itself. The events described 'ha
102 Klaus : From the way you're dealing with them it's the only possible conclusion. You are looking for a simple and easy way to get out of the inherited mess,
103 PPVRA : Germany is not a "membership" society. This is the kind of sickening mindset that comes from the left. The government of Germany is supposed to prote
104 PPVRA : Well, that's not to say the right doesn't use it too.
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