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Obama This...Obama That: And It's Not Even August!  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

It seems our conservative friends-not just on here, but all over the good old U of S.A. (some of you need to go back to the 70's to understand that one), are already in high gear with their anti-Obama crusade.

A few questions for our conservative brethren on here:

1. Do you really think all this anti-Obama nothingness-and so far, that's what 99.999% of it is, a bunch of non-issues, makes any kinid of difference in the election?

2. Do you honestly hate the man that much?

3. Who, in your heart of hearts, do you think REALLY is going to win the election?

I ask simply to find out why such vociferous venom against the man. Like Mr. McCain, he doesn't seem to be a bad guy; like Mr. McCain, he's served honorably (albeit for far less a time) in the United States Senate.

And personally, I think all these trivial non-issues make it look like the GOP can't beat him on the issues, and simply are going right to personal attacks.

And, in my heart of hearts, I'm as confident of an Obama win as I have been since he wrapped up the nomination. I wanted John Kerry to win in '04, but never quite felt as confident as I do this time.

I think Mr. McCain is a good man; I think he's served his nation well. But I believe, at 72, his best days are behind him, and having a 72-year old at the helm is not the best thing for this nation. I beleive that Mr. Obama offers the best chance to move the nation forward, and in a different direction than the failed policies of the last 8 years.

Comments, obviously, are welcome.

p.s. I bought an Obama t-shirt and yard sign today. As soon as the sign gets to my house ,it will proudly go on my front lawn.

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User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2428 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
1. Do you really think all this anti-Obama nothingness-and so far, that's what 99.999% of it is, a bunch of non-issues, makes any kinid of difference in the election?

I don't know, maybe the same could be said for what has been said about McCain. The whole age thing for example. Since when did we start practicing age discrimination in politics?

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
2. Do you honestly hate the man that much?

Why is it when legitimate questions are raised about his judgement it instantly becomes "hate"? Same with:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
I ask simply to find out why such vociferous venom against the man.

How is it vociferous venom to question his stated polices and aims as President or question his past judgements and personal associations.

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
3. Who, in your heart of hearts, do you think REALLY is going to win the election?

I don't know, it's only the last part of July. Anything is possible between now and November.


User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2412 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
1. Do you really think all this anti-Obama nothingness-and so far, that's what 99.999% of it is, a bunch of non-issues, makes any kinid of difference in the election?

Well, since McCain now leads Obama among those most likely to vote, something is happening...

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/07/gains-for-mccai.html

The other polls show a steady increase for McCain. I think it's going to keep going that way until November...

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
2. Do you honestly hate the man that much?

I don't hate either candidate, nor do I like either of them particularly...

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
3. Who, in your heart of hearts, do you think REALLY is going to win the election?

Probably McCain...

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):

And personally, I think all these trivial non-issues make it look like the GOP can't beat him on the issues, and simply are going right to personal attacks.

There are plenty of non-issues being thrown about by both sides... But on the issues that mean something, I couldn't support Obama...

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
I beleive that Mr. Obama offers the best chance to move the nation forward, and in a different direction than the failed policies of the last 8 years.

What exactly does that mean? Seriously... I keep hearing change, but I don't hear to what...

Falcon, I think you've made up your mind. RJdexer probably has made up his mind too. No offense to either of you.

I honestly haven't decided. I'm one of those voters that both candidates target heavily because I've been a registered non-partisan for more than 30 years. Frankly, I usually vote with my wallet. And it looks like if Obama gets in I'll be paying a lot more. I already pay way too much. But if we could only vote out every member of Congress, I'd go along with anybody for President...



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User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2239 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

I'm sorry your messiah is getting attacked, but I think one of the reasons for it is because the media love, errr, coverage of him is disproportionate to the quality the man possess as a viable candidate.

He's a good speaker (as long as his advisers tells him what to say), but he doesn't bring much to the table regarding his ideas, other than it's the opposite of what Bush is doing and making use of buzz words like "change" "hope" "believe" "Oprah", etc.

I won't be voting for him because I disagree with him on almost every political position/issue and Hollywood is climaxing over him, which always raises a red flag for me...



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3333 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2389 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
1. Do you really think all this anti-Obama nothingness-and so far, that's what 99.999% of it is, a bunch of non-issues, makes any kinid of difference in the election?

Yes, Rush Limbaugh is not being paid $400 million to tell people what cigars are good he influences millions of decision and so do other commentators.

Bill O'Reilly said it this week that Talk Radio is predominately right wing and has railed these guys for 3 hours, 5 days a week.

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
2. Do you honestly hate the man that much?

Some do and those people have problems with themselves and some greatly disagree with him that it comes of that they hate Obame.

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
3. Who, in your heart of hearts, do you think REALLY is going to win the election?

IMHO its a toss up even now, but it looks more and more that Obama has to maintain the status quo at this point and not mess up with blunders and he will likely win. The disadvantage to being the media sweetheart is that when Obama messes up in a minor way its a much bigger deal than what I consider big McCain mess ups. Such as his bad geography skills shown by not knowing that Iraq and Afghanistan are separated by Iran and not knowing that Czechoslovakia hasn't existed for 16 years much worst that saying blue collar workers are addicted to religion and guns. Topping this McCain is supposed to be the better traveled of the two and if Obama did this there would be right wing outrage about his lack of experience

However I don't think a good portion of voters see it how I do and that is one reason it remains a solid toss up.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2387 times:



Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 2):
Well, since McCain now leads Obama among those most likely to vote, something is happening...

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics....html

If you read the article closely, it says that was the Gallup daily tracking poll. Today's USAToday poll shows Obama up 48-40%.

And, again, Obama still holds a commanding electoral lead.

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 2):
What exactly does that mean?

It means exactly what he says. I think of the two he'll be the better president, and offerrs the best chance to move this nation forward. Clear enough?

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 2):
I honestly haven't decided.

You already said you cannot support Obama.

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 3):

I'm sorry your messiah is getting attacked

Thank kind of crap. I have one "Messiah", and He does not reside on this planet. No, it's not Ronald Reagan.  Big grin


User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2382 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 2):
What exactly does that mean?

It means exactly what he says. I think of the two he'll be the better president, and offerrs the best chance to move this nation forward. Clear enough?

No, you're playing his game... You say we'll move "forward." That's saying nothing. I hate to tell you this, but no matter who's elected, in four years we'll be four years forward...

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 2):
I honestly haven't decided.

You already said you cannot support Obama.

I did not say that. If I did, please point it out. I said I can't support higher taxes. Right now, I'm closing in on paying Uncle Sam half the money I make. How much do you think is enough?



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2371 times:



Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 6):
I did not say that. If I did, please point it out.

OK:

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 2):
But on the issues that mean something, I couldn't support Obama...

There ya go.  Smile

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 6):
Right now, I'm closing in on paying Uncle Sam half the money I make. How much do you think is enough?

About 20% less than that.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7386 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2358 times:
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Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
1. Do you really think all this anti-Obama nothingness-and so far, that's what 99.999% of it is, a bunch of non-issues, makes any kinid of difference in the election?

I believe he's an empty suit. He won't do any town hall debates, and when he's away from the scripted, he seems overwhelmed and lost in the train of thought.

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
2. Do you honestly hate the man that much?

It's not hate Falcon, at least not on my end. I just don't like his politics. I don't like his socialist agenda. He wants to expand gov't control over all basic services, he wants to raise taxes to astronomical levels.

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
3. Who, in your heart of hearts, do you think REALLY is going to win the election?

I think that Americans will come to their senses and wake up from this acid trip that they're on and McCain will win.

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
I ask simply to find out why such vociferous venom against the man. Like Mr. McCain, he doesn't seem to be a bad guy; like Mr. McCain, he's served honorably (albeit for far less a time) in the United States Senate.

I don't think Obama is a bad guy either. I don't wish him any ill will. I just don't like the way he thinks.

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
And personally, I think all these trivial non-issues make it look like the GOP can't beat him on the issues, and simply are going right to personal attacks.

The only reason why Obama is being targeted is, becuase the media is in this state sheer frenzy over him, making him out to be Jesus Christ himself. THe media is turning him into a lightning rod. When it comes to a sheer debate on the issues, without a script, Obama is going to tank, bigtime.

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
And, in my heart of hearts, I'm as confident of an Obama win as I have been since he wrapped up the nomination. I wanted John Kerry to win in '04, but never quite felt as confident as I do this time.

He needed the help of super-delegates to insure his nomination. Hillary was neck and neck with him until the end.

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
I think Mr. McCain is a good man; I think he's served his nation well. But I believe, at 72, his best days are behind him, and having a 72-year old at the helm is not the best thing for this nation. I beleive that Mr. Obama offers the best chance to move the nation forward, and in a different direction than the failed policies of the last 8 years

Oh brother, where art thou?



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User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2358 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):

There ya go.

You got me... But if you read my whole original post, you'll also see I said I honestly have not decided for whom I will vote. I get two choices, and I've voted before for what I considered the lesser of two eviIs. I don't equate that with supporting a candidate. I still want to hear some concrete proposals from each of them. I really don't just want to hear "change". There will be a change no matter what; the question is if it will be for better or worse.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 6):
Right now, I'm closing in on paying Uncle Sam half the money I make. How much do you think is enough?

About 20% less than that.

I would love paying 30 percent... So you and I do agree on some things....  Wow!



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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3512 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2353 times:



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 1):
The whole age thing for example.

Oh come now, you're not that naive ... age is front and center in American politics whenever a young guy runs against an old guy - and it started with Kennedy v. Nixon in 1960.


While I've always been an Obama supporter, I was feeling pretty good about McCain when he was locking up the GOP nomination. Since then though, his campaign has basically been sitting still, making fairly minor gaffes here and there but really not doing much, other than commenting on his opponent.

I'm sure when he announces his VP candidate he'll get some momentum, but he better hope he announces it after Obama, otherwise Barack will come out with his a day or two after and steal all of McCain's thunder.



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User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2344 times:



Quoting Planespotting (Reply 10):
Quoting RJdxer (Reply 1):
The whole age thing for example.

Oh come now, you're not that naive ... age is front and center in American politics whenever a young guy runs against an old guy - and it started with Kennedy v. Nixon in 1960.

And you're calling RJ naive???? On election day in 1960, Nixon was 47 and Kennedy was 43.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9235 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2336 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):

eh, why bother? if some people fret that much on the internet, can you imagine just how much emotional damage there is on the inside or actual life? it's a bit disheartening. i do feel sorry for some.




well, correction.

many.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2329 times:



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 8):
I don't like his socialist agenda. He wants to expand gov't control over all basic services, he wants to raise taxes to astronomical levels.

Source?

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 6):
I'm closing in on paying Uncle Sam half the money I make. How much do you think is enough?

Ouch! I paid 8% in federal taxes last year, no social security for me, the other half yes, which I find the SS withholding  eyepopping  . So the total on a top 10% income around 12%.


User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2324 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 13):
Ouch! I paid 8% in federal taxes last year, no social security for me, the other half yes, which I find the SS withholding eyepopping . So the total on a top 10% income around 12%.

I started my own business this year, so when I pay myself salary out of the company, I have to pay both sides of SS, plus the 28% fed. Too many of my paychecks get over 40% deposited to the IRS... Hopefully, at the end of the year I'll get some back, but the 15.3% SS is gone with the wind, and I don't have a lot of deductions. When I worked for someone else, I got used to having over 30% withheld. Going over 40% pisses me off...  Angry



The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
User currently offlineAlfa75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2324 times:



Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 2):
Frankly, I usually vote with my wallet. And it looks like if Obama gets in I'll be paying a lot more. I already pay way too much.

I make pretty good money, very high 5 figures, and do you know what I got extra in the last round of tax cuts? $6.00 after taxes in a bi-weekly paycheck. Big deal. It doesn't even cover the $6.00 a week I spend in lottery tickets!

The problem in the US is that the Republicans are good with turning a phrase and people fall for it. Democrats are called tax and spend liberals. Well guess what, we spend it on what the citizens of the country need like healthcare. Republicans are untax and spend, then they go out and start a war that we have to borrow money from China to pay for. Real smart, what a great legacy for our kids.

I understand voting with your wallet, but I would rather vote for the guy who is going to make the USA a leading nation in the world. We used to be a respected country and look where we are. Our dollar is weaker than ever most of us can hardly afford to travel abroad anymore. That is how it effects my wallet. I would rather pay more taxes at home in order to have a strong dollar and the respect of other countries.

Besides, do we want a president who thinks Czechoslovakia is still a country? I though he had the "Foreign Policy Experience".



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User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2319 times:



Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 2):
RJdexer probably has made up his mind too

I'm already disappointed in my choices. There is no "lesser" of two evils in this election, either choice is equally poor.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
It means exactly what he says. I think of the two he'll be the better president, and offerrs the best chance to move this nation forward. Clear enough?

I have to admit I'm confused on this too. Exactly what is "forward"? I hear that every 4 years and yet somehow I am told 4 years later that we are not moving in that direction.

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 10):
age is front and center in American politics whenever a young guy runs against an old guy - and it started with Kennedy v. Nixon in 1960.



Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 11):
And you're calling RJ naive???? On election day in 1960, Nixon was 47 and Kennedy was 43.

Beat me to it! Kennedy painted Nixon as part of the old guard, not old.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7386 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2314 times:
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Quoting AirCop (Reply 13):
Source?

www.barackobama.com/i'mgonnastealyourmoneypunk/



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9235 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2311 times:



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 17):

www.barackobama.com/i'mgonnastealyo...punk/

uh ... do you even bother to check things for yourself?
thanks for the laugh, though.



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User currently offlineAlfa75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 17):
Quoting AirCop (Reply 13):
Source?

www.barackobama.com/i'mgonnastealyo...punk/

Or you could go here for the truth.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/obamaandtaxes

Or here.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...uld_obama_tax_my_profits_if_i.html

Oh yeah, this too.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/apache.3cdn....t/9f5d8d6941fa7b8927_yrm6iiq8k.pdf

[Edited 2008-07-30 19:38:54]


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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3512 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2292 times:



Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 11):
Quoting Planespotting (Reply 10):
Quoting RJdxer (Reply 1):
The whole age thing for example.

Oh come now, you're not that naive ... age is front and center in American politics whenever a young guy runs against an old guy - and it started with Kennedy v. Nixon in 1960.

And you're calling RJ naive???? On election day in 1960, Nixon was 47 and Kennedy was 43. Yeah sure



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 16):
Quoting Planespotting (Reply 10):
age is front and center in American politics whenever a young guy runs against an old guy - and it started with Kennedy v. Nixon in 1960.


Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 11):
And you're calling RJ naive???? On election day in 1960, Nixon was 47 and Kennedy was 43.

Beat me to it! Kennedy painted Nixon as part of the old guard, not old.

Ah yes - the call out was well deserved. I guess it's hard to imagine Nixon as something other than an old man. But in all fairness, Nixon did try to paint Kennedy as young and inexperienced, while Kennedy said the opposite about Nixon.

I dare say they did such a good job that people 50 years later still think one was super old and the other super young!

haha



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 17):
www.barackobama.com/i'mgonnastealyourmoneypunk/

Your credibility is zero. I'm going to put you down as an uninformed voter..
Nice way to treat your other board members.

[Edited 2008-07-30 19:58:48]

User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7386 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2281 times:
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Quoting STLGph (Reply 18):
uh ... do you even bother to check things for yourself?

Uh, ever hear of a joke-though-hyperlink or do you really take yourself that seriously?



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7386 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2279 times:
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Quoting AirCop (Reply 21):
uniformed

A uniformed voter? I have many uniforms, soon to be Delta



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2276 times:



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 23):
I have many uniforms, soon to be Delta

Perhaps..

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 22):
Uh, ever hear of a joke-though-hyperlink or do you really take yourself that seriously?

Just a cute way of saying I didn't check it out..


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26 Dc863 : If one doesn't want the third degree, then don't run for President. Any candidate whether Dem, Rep, or Independant will be grilled, raked over the coa
27 AirStairs : I would encourage you to reframe your thinking. 99.999% of anti-Obama sentiment is "nothingness" and "a bunch of non-issues" but what do you think de
28 RJdxer : Nixon had been a Congressman, Senator, and two term Vice President. Kennedy, a Congressman and Senator. Kennedy's biggest problem with his youth wasn
29 Charles79 : Is it true that we still have over 90 days of this sh..... left! Man, this election is really getting old. Am I the only one who's already annoyed wit
30 Post contains images Pope : That calls for the newly unveiled HYPOCRISY METER: Let's go back to the archives and see how much the member formerly known as Alpha1 posted about th
31 Mdsh00 : It wasn't brilliant, it is nothing short of childish and classic Karl Rove style campaigning from a man who said that this was not going to be a nega
32 AirStairs : Yes I am on the cusp of resolving to ignore the political media until October when I will look at both of their platforms and use whatever knowledge
33 Czbbflier : Wow. A civilized discussion concerning the upcoming election for a change. Congratulations to all. I'm see how people believe that Obama is not 'the a
34 SlamClick : Well, maybe not that election. Their ages were 4 years, 4 months, 20 days different. I remember the election very well, though I was too young to vot
35 SlamClick : Do we want a President [Obama] who thinks the USA has 57 states? Both of these remarks were probably just slip-of-the-tongue and utterly irrelevant.
36 SlamClick : Okay, housekeeping chores done, time to answer the o/p questions. 1. Yes. It will make two differences, more or less offsetting. The far right will be
37 Seb146 : To intelligent voters from all parties, no the ADS mean nothing. We look past that. However, to the "Inside Edition" crowd who simply can not fathom
38 AirCop : I wonder it the Republican ads came out early this cycle, due to the Olympics? That will be two weeks of really low press interest in the campaigns, t
39 SlamClick : I agree. And it has every flaw and vice that European style nobility has, made worse by the illusion that any common person can be annointed. Not wit
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