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Very Disturbing, Shocking Event On Greyhound Bus  
User currently offlineHOONS90 From Malaysia, joined Aug 2001, 3001 posts, RR: 53
Posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3805 times:
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There was a random attack on a passenger traveling on a Greyhound bus from Edmonton, Alberta to Winnipeg, Manitoba.

WARNING: The article contains some very graphic details, beware.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...bus_080731/20080731?hub=TopStories


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User currently offlineBRJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

What the hell? This sounds like a movie! And that is some serious 'random act of violence' - makes me wonder if it was truly 'random.'

User currently offlineDragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3779 times:

This is why I stopped riding the bus many years ago, damn crazies on the bus!!


Phrogs Phorever
User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

Kind of spoils the ambience, doesn't it ? But seriously, a terrible thing to experience. Just about 15km west of Winnipeg, my home town, puts it at about Elie. Usually the news from there is that the TCH is closed due to a whiteout, not something like this.

Does this means metal detectors and body searches for bus travel now ?

Almost surely some kind of mental derangement in this case.



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User currently offlineN867DA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3748 times:

This is very disturbing. I guess it's hard to enjoy the "wide, panoramic windows" if something like happens! Security on public transit (except planes and cruise lines) is simply nonexistent. On the local train, they have signs that say you can't bring knives, weapons (except firearms with a valid permit), etc...but I have never been checked. You can carry enough ammo to start a small war and 20 knives in a bag for all anyone cares. Of course airport-style screening to take a 15 minute train ride is impractical and probably far too expensive.

It definitely sounds like a mental case. It's also not the first time Greyhound has had to deal with murder on the bus. Most of their trips go off without a hitch but reading things like this...whew!



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User currently offlineDragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3739 times:



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 3):
Does this means metal detectors and body searches for bus travel now ?

If it had happened south of the border you would see some up for election congressman pushing for TSA screening at the bus terminal!!



Phrogs Phorever
User currently offlineN867DA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3727 times:



Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 5):
If it had happened south of the border you would see some up for election congressman pushing for TSA screening at the bus terminal!!

It's nothing new on this side of the border either:

KNIFE ATTACK ON CALIFORNIA BUS
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2289445.stm

FBI SAYS BUS ATTACK WASN'T TERRORISM
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/10/03/bus.crash/



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User currently offlineMike89406 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1460 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3713 times:



Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 2):
This is why I stopped riding the bus many years ago, damn crazies on the bus!!

Not suprising given the caliber of most people who use Greyhound bus for travel.

Mike


User currently offlineAviation From Australia, joined Dec 2004, 1143 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

Holy furk, that is kinda crazy. Beheaded the guy is not something you hear about happening every day...


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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9303 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3616 times:

WTF?!?!

i've heard of a lot of crazy stories in my time, but ... *wow*

Quoting Mike89406 (Reply 7):
Not suprising given the caliber of most people who use Greyhound bus for travel.

that's really a shame, too. it'll make people fear of using the bus at a time when they might be depending on it because of higher gas prices.



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User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3584 times:

It's nothing to lose your head over.

User currently offlineDragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3581 times:



Quoting Mike89406 (Reply 7):
Not suprising given the caliber of most people who use Greyhound bus for travel.

My mom travels by bus quite often, never driven her whole life. She is a bit crazy, and I could easily see how she could drive a sane passenger over the edge.



Phrogs Phorever
User currently offlineYYZflyer From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3643 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3500 times:

I bet this guy is going to make an insanity plea.  Yeah sure "he was holding the head in one hand"  ill 

 eyepopping 



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User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3441 times:



Quoting BRJ (Reply 1):
What the hell? This sounds like a movie! And that is some serious 'random act of violence' - makes me wonder if it was truly 'random.'

RCMP are now saying to the best of their knowledge the attack was sudden and random. Perp had just gotten on the bus in Brandon, not too far from attack site.

There was an axe attack on a Greyhound in Northern Ontario a few years ago, IIRC, believe the perpetrator tried to off the driver - and likely himself had he succeeded.

The latest: http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Manitoba/2008/07/31/6318491.html



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User currently offlinePowercube From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3437 times:

Edmonton is the home of bus murders for Canada. After all, it was just last year there was a "random slaying" on a local ETS vehicle because a man wore a Metallica T-shirt. Nothing that originates from this city surprises me any more. Yes, I am aware the crime happened in Manitoba but  ashamed 

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3410 times:

May the victim Rest in Peace. As for the criminal, I hope he gets the maximum punishment allowed in Canada.

Hunter



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17352 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3393 times:



Quoting YYZflyer (Reply 12):
I bet this guy is going to make an insanity plea.

Is there any question as to his sanity? I'm not a psychiatrist but I assume randomly beheading someone is not clinically "sane".

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 15):
As for the criminal, I hope he gets the maximum punishment allowed in Canada

I hope he gets the maximum punishment allowed in America Wink



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User currently offlineGlid4500 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 587 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3332 times:



Quoting N867DA (Reply 6):
KNIFE ATTACK ON CALIFORNIA BUS

I actually know the Greyhound driver that got attacked...decided to leave GLI after this happened.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 15):
May the victim Rest in Peace. As for the criminal, I hope he gets the maximum punishment allowed in Canada.

Hunter

Same here.

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 13):
Perp had just gotten on the bus in Brandon, not too far from attack site

Theres still flaws in Greyhound security...but the searches are not as hardcore as airport security. When i used to work for GLI, there were security personel that check random, if not all, all departing schedules. The security search included body wand/patdown, and physical inspection of carry-on luggage. All sharp objects that could be used as a weapon were removed. It wasnt until after the 2nd driver attack incident ( where my friend Abel got stabbed by a passenger on board his bus enroute to San Francisco ) did the company decide to make modifications to the bus fleet. They added a security barrier to protect the driver from a would-be attacker and safely pull the bus over.

Bus stations in very small towns with no security at all is no doubt a definite issue. Perhaps maybe GLC can work with police in small towns to provide security ... by checking customers that board buses there.

Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 2):
This is why I stopped riding the bus many years ago, damn crazies on the bus




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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5632 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3324 times:

As for the criminal, I hope he gets the maximum punishment allowed in Canada.

Two years in prison, with job training and housing assistance upon release?



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User currently offlineWESTERN737800 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 693 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

There are some disturbed indivuals out there. A friend was riding home on the bus. He said he overheard 2 guys who just got out of prison. They were talking about where they could get some crack on the next stop. My friend then got up and walked to the front of the bus.


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User currently offlineScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3273 times:



Quoting WESTERN737800 (Reply 19):
There are some disturbed indivuals out there. A friend was riding home on the bus. He said he overheard 2 guys who just got out of prison. They were talking about where they could get some crack on the next stop. My friend then got up and walked to the front of the bus.

great story, pretty darn close some guy randomly beheading another and taunting police with a severed human head!

You live in the city and its not unlikely you will hear about crack. Beheading on the other hand is completely different.

It is getting a lot of news coverage here as it is pretty close to winnipeg. The RCMP just finished a news conference about it.


User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3233 times:



Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 20):
It is getting a lot of news coverage here as it is pretty close to winnipeg. The RCMP just finished a news conference about it.

Not much of a news conference as most answers were "I don't know" and "No comment" or "Not at this time". Apparently formal charges to be laid tomorrow by the Crown Prosecutor (DA, in US-speak), at which point the attacker's identity will be known.

However, it is getting lots of attention - was the lead on CNN @ 3.

Very disturbing all around. I agree with Glid4500 that security is a problem in small towns, and that improving it will be costly, which will drive down ridership. Not sure exactly what the arrangements are in Canada -- I've never noted any bag searches the few times I've used them. Intoxicated people are not allowed on, to my knowledge.

I expect the other pax will need a fair bit of counseling after this, which Greyhound has offered to provide. Also the cops.



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User currently offlineScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3021 times:

there's a rumor that the guy was eating the flesh, but not confirmation of that, or many other details about this.

User currently offlineYYZflyer From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3643 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3008 times:



Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 22):
there's a rumor that the guy was eating the flesh, but not confirmation of that, or many other details about this

OMG. I hope that's not true.  vomit  It's probly one of those things people make up to make it sound even more horrible.

And did anyone else think of the band Cannibal Corpse when they read that?



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User currently offlineMike89406 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1460 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2957 times:



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 21):
I've never noted any bag searches the few times I've used them.

The last time I stepped foot on a greyhound was 1994. From what I remember even in the US no bag searches. I'm sure greyhound is one of the more convienent ways to smuggle drugs, weapons etc...that seems to be the persception on the gemral population.


25 StasisLAX : Rode Greyhound once, a couple of years ago from Tucson to Phoenix. Some passengers were very nice and enjoyable to chat with - but a couple of other p
26 A346Dude : Shame he wasn't more head strong.
27 ACDC8 : Thats not much, unfortunately. Wouldn't be surprised if our "justice" system gives him a few months house arrest. Greyhound is owned by the same comp
28 ScrubbsYWG : oh please. Our justice does have a revolving door attitude with some offenders and crimes, but if this guy is sane(hard to believe he could be after
29 ACDC8 : Our justice system is a revolving door. Although my remarks with a few months of house arrest was sarcasm, I doubt he'll be locked up for good. Just
30 Post contains links ScrubbsYWG : Were their sentences completed when they were released? anyways, here is the latest story from the local paper. It sounds like Greyhound has really b
31 Post contains links ScrubbsYWG : there's a facebook memorial page for the victim. It has grown from 5 members to almost 100 in an hour in case anyone wants to check it out. http://www
32 Post contains links ACDC8 : No, they "left" the minimum security facilities, as in they walked away. I didn't want to use the term escape since they both were being held in very
33 UAL757 : WTF is this? What is wrong with people? This story is terrible, and odd, frightening. And may the victim rest in piece, i mean peace. Okay but serious
34 ScrubbsYWG : Well, in this case, i think buying them food, lodging, toiletries, etc. is a good start. IF you had something like that disrupt your travel plans, th
35 ACDC8 : This is what I mean. It's pretty well standard to have counsellors in tragic situations where the public is affected, but one couldn't even imagine s
36 MCOflyer : Is that all they get? Hunter
37 JAL : This is really scary when you consider the random nature of the attack! My condolences to victim's family and friends.
38 AirCop : This is Greyhound of Canada, a different company than the one that operates in the states. (Better equipment for starters) Here a list of prior viole
39 Post contains links ScrubbsYWG : someone managed to record the RCMP Police scanner audio. Warning, it is pretty graphic. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=096_1217580722
40 Connies4ever : Horrible. Simply horrible. CBC Newsworld were reporting that the Crown may determine after examination by a psychiatrist that he is too mentally warpe
41 SKYSERVICE_330 : The Crown could seek to have him labelled as a dangerous offender which means indefinte or prolonged detention (beyond those outlined in the criminal
42 ScrubbsYWG : I have heard that there are even more grisly details that haven't emerged and probably won't, including some mutilation(besides decapitation). The cri
43 Post contains links YVRLTN : Quite possible, seems to be a Chinese guy - BBC names the attacker and possible victim (according to the facebook page). http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/a
44 Alfa75 : Well, there is something to be said about the punishment fitting the crime. On a serious note, I was listening to 'As it Happens' last night, a CBC s
45 Powercube : If you listen to the leaked audio, you'll also learn that he had a pair of scissors. I don't believe second degree murder is an appropriate charge as
46 ACDC8 : Both Greyhound Canada and Greyhound America are owned and operated by the First Bus Group. They were both owned and operated by Laidlaw up until the
47 Jamincan : My god, how does it get more grisly than stabbing repeatedly, sawing of the head and then starting to eat it?
48 Johns624 : If you're unarmed, there's not much you could do.
49 Connies4ever : 1st degree, or premeditated, murder, requires the Crown to prove there was a plan in place to kill someone, and that the accused was lucid and in con
50 Ronglimeng : I don't understand how some people here are talking about this guy as though he was a criminal - doing something like stealing money from purses, doin
51 LTBEWR : This is a very sad and obscene situation. It is the kind of situation that may never be expected to be prevented unless you did very detailed and expe
52 Post contains links Cadet985 : Well, I sometimes use Greyhound to come home from school if I'm carrying a large suitcase that would be too cumbersome on a NJ Transit train. Accordi
53 Post contains links Connies4ever : An update on the suspect from "The National Post": http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=699558
54 Post contains links FlyingTexan : http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080806/ap_on_re_ca/canada_bus_beheading Greyhound gets rid of their ads that say "There's a reason you've never heard of
55 Post contains links ScrubbsYWG : and PETA jumps into the insanity realm as well: http://winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/story/4209127p-4801675c.html
56 Post contains links ScrubbsYWG : and more: Phelps and his Westboro baptist church plans to protest his funeral this weekend in Winnipeg. http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Winnipeg/2008/
57 HOONS90 : " target=_blank>http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Winn....html This is so sickening. I am appalled and at a loss of words.
58 Post contains links ScrubbsYWG : Apparently, the small group from WBC has been stopped at the border and not let into the country. http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=70762
59 LTBEWR : Anyone who would use the funeral process to protest their perverse views is wrong. They are seeking publicity as in Canada this horrible murder has go
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