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Owning Fast Cars In Speed Restricted Countries  
User currently offlineFlexo From St. Helena, joined Mar 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

Ok, first of all: This thread is not about CO2 emissions or anything like that. There are numerous threads about that! I am also not trying to bash anyone, merely curious here!

Since I grew up in Germany I am used to the Autobahn with the possibility of going fast legally. That is also the sole reason I went through the expense of getting a V6 Audi - to go fast when I get the chance.

I have also lived in the US for a while and noticed that cars in general have much more horsepower, larger engines and higher top speeds than the average car in Germany. The smallest engine for the A4 I'm driving is 150hp, whereas in Germany they start at 100hp!
Also Porsche is very large in the US, which also seems odd when the highest speed limit is 75mph which could be reached in a smart car.

I am aware of the cheap gasoline in the US which is the reason why people don't care about the worse gas mileage, but also the car itself is more expensive with a larger engine.

So, here's my question:
What is the point of having a fast car in a country where everything is speed restricted? Would you buy a larger engine for a sedan, and what are your reasons to do so?

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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2124 times:
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Quoting Flexo (Thread starter):
What is the point of having a fast car in a country where everything is speed restricted? Would you buy a larger engine for a sedan, and what are your reasons to do so?

I am german too and used to driving fast. but even if there would be a speed limit, I really do like a nice acceleration! And you get that only with a poweful engine. And when I overtake I want some power as well  Wink

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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2108 times:



Quoting Flexo (Thread starter):
So, here's my question:
What is the point of having a fast car in a country where everything is speed restricted? Would you buy a larger engine for a sedan, and what are your reasons to do so?

FWIW I drive a car with 125hp so my answer may be skewed.

Short answer: because we can.

Long answer: Speed restrictions don't matter much. In the US there are no taxes based on engine displacement or emission levels. As a result the market was artificially restricted to lower displacement engines. Had that tax structure never been in place in Europe I would wager that you would see more powerful standard engines being offered across most product.... the tax structure on gas/diesel in Europe is also a consideration. Obviously fuel economy becomes a bigger concern when gas is more expensive.

Secondly many of those who buy, and enjoy high performance cars take them to the track to play with them and avoid doing high speed antics on public roads.



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User currently offlineFlexo From St. Helena, joined Mar 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2081 times:



Quoting DesertJets (Reply 2):
Had that tax structure never been in place in Europe I would wager that you would see more powerful standard engines being offered across most product

I'm sure you're right. I always thought it's funny the way in Germany there are so many small, underpowered cars, while you could really use the hp here.

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 2):
FWIW I drive a car with 125hp so my answer may be skewed.

Over here that would count as "pretty fast", you could most likely easily exceed 200 kph.


Another reason I'm asking this is that I was wondering what I would do if they ever issued a speed limit here. I'd probably sell my car and go for a < 100hp car.


User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2075 times:

One thing about driving in Germany and many nearby countries (and Scandinavia & the UK) is that people actually know how to drive.

When I drove on the Autobahn I could look ahead and I would know what the other drivers were going to do. That's far more difficult to do in the US; people are not as disciplined in their driving.

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 2):
Secondly many of those who buy, and enjoy high performance cars take them to the track to play with them and avoid doing high speed antics on public roads.

How many people actually take their cars to "the track"? I can't imagine the percentage is very high, even among people that buy high performance cars.


User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3700 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2070 times:



Quoting Flexo (Thread starter):
What is the point of having a fast car in a country where everything is speed restricted? Would you buy a larger engine for a sedan, and what are your reasons to do so?

I'm not quite sure...My brother lives on Jersey in the Channel Islands. The highest speed limit on the island is 40mph and there is only one two lane each way road down by the seafront in St Helier. Most of the roads have very tight corners and are rather narrow.

However since it is pretty monied you get a lot of very fast and expensive cars about. I was there last week and saw a Mercedes CLS63 AMG. What's wrong with the 55 AMG? Or perhaps the Bentley Continental GT Speed his girlfriend's father just bought...or his work colleague that's just bought an Audi R8...

My brother can't really talk though, he's just bought a Golf GTi Edition 30. Since he brought up the above examples when we were driving I asked why a standard GTi wasn't good enough for him. He said the Edition 30 was better...so that's your answer  Wink



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User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

What the speed limit is and what people drive at can be different, if you see what I mean  wink 

Oh, and stop showing off that the Autobahns have no limit!



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8661 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Well in some parts of the US, one can get away with going 70+mph. My dad has owned nothing but high end luxury imports that have this acceleration Flexo describes. Cars my dad has owned:

Lexus LS430
Lexus SC430
Lexus ES 350
Porche 911 Turbo
BMW 745I
Volvo S60

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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2026 times:



Quoting Flexo (Thread starter):
Also Porsche is very large in the US, which also seems odd when the highest speed limit is 75mph which could be reached in a smart car.

Just because the sign says 75 doesn't mean you can't go faster  Wink

I've hit 85-90 in parts of California signed at between 65 and 70. I've hit 75 on a two lane highway in Michigan signed at 55 (I don't think I would ever do that again, I just got a little too excited by the wide-open road and wasn't paying attention to where the speedometer was going)

Quoting Flexo (Thread starter):
hat is the point of having a fast car in a country where everything is speed restricted? Would you buy a larger engine for a sedan, and what are your reasons to do so?

I realize I may be the exception, but the only car I've ever been interested in owning (but with the current state of affairs feel like it's slipping away) happens to be a fast(er) car; I don't want to own it because it's fast, but rather I love it's looks and there's not a "slow" version (The BMW Z4 Convertable is the vehicle to which I am referring, however, I could be persuaded to take a Boxter or TT, again based on looks and not performance)

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User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2096 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2020 times:

In the UK, people often drive at far higher speed than the speed limit. It's knowing when and where to do it. It's alleged that speeds in excess of 100mph/160kph involve an automatic disqualification (which may or may not be strictly true) so speeds on uncongested motorways hover at between 80 and 99.9 mph!

I noticed that in Victoria, Australia, people have to drive at bang on the speed limit, which is infuriating when you're used to UK roads.

Quoting Analog (Reply 4):
When I drove on the Autobahn I could look ahead and I would know what the other drivers were going to do. That's far more difficult to do in the US; people are not as disciplined in their driving.

American drivers seems a lot calmer and forgiving than UK drivers.


User currently offlineFlexo From St. Helena, joined Mar 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2020 times:



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 7):
Well in some parts of the US, one can get away with going 70+mph

What do you mean? There are highways that are unrestricted or there are parts where the police don't care?

While I lived in the states I got pulled over twice before I decided to stop speeding, I didn't know there were areas where it is ok to do so!


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2014 times:

When I was a 12 year old boy, I found the idea of a 150 mph car to be just wonderful. Of course, driving at 150 mph is so amazing and great, or so I thought as a little boy.


But of course, here in the USA we drive very slowly. I have no idea why people here buy such horsepower!!!!! We have a BMW 3series with 3 motors... 230, 300, and 400 hp... for what?????

A 230hp BMW can easily go 140+ mph, which is 50+mph beyond anything you can get away with on American roads. Speeds beyond 90mph just aren't acceptable in the USA. I have driven all over the USA. Going over 90 is illegal everywhere. It is usually not very safe either.

My point is, a Honda Civic can easily cruise at 90 mph, because it has good enough performance. Why people buy cars with over 200hp is just madness to me.

It is well and good to have a sharp steering BMW or porsche here in the USA. Just great! But the horsepower is what I don't understand. Who are we fooling? You want to buy a 505hp Corvette Z06 and race me? You can't use ANY of that horsepower in real life. It's not legal and it won't get you anywhere any faster. A Toyota Prius can probably beat that car in real life. Humiliating, IMO.


User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3502 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2012 times:



Quoting MainMAN (Reply 9):
I noticed that in Victoria, Australia, people have to drive at bang on the speed limit, which is infuriating when you're used to UK roads.

I hate the same in the netherlands. In Germany, even where there are speed limits (which, contrary to popular belief, are indeed quite common), one can easily drive a little more. Some people use to say Speed limit + VAT in km/h (which is 19% in germany).

In the netherlands, 80 means 80, and 100 means 100. One can say that is the point of limits, but I still hate it.


User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1997 times:



Quoting MainMAN (Reply 9):
American drivers seems a lot calmer and forgiving than UK drivers

Sure about that? Here in Phx the drivers are so flippin discourteous, they never let you change lanes on teh freeway (even speeding up to not let you in). And if you're towing a trailer, they'll do anything not to let you get in front of them.

You may well have been to a differnet place, and there are so many differnet cultures in the US there must be a lot of differences in driving habits.



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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1990 times:



Quoting BristolFlyer (Reply 13):
Sure about that?

Every state's drivers are a little different. Californians are agressive, fast, and (for me at least) predictable -- I can tell what a California driver is going to do 10-15 seconds before they actually do it, even if they don't officially signal. The speed limit on the sign is generally 10-20 MPH lower than the actual speed, unless there's an accident

Michiganders are fast, courteous (except for Detroit), and occssionally unpredictable and understand left-lane ettiquite. The speed limit on the sign is virtually always 15-25 MPH lower than the actual speed. Period.

Ohio drivers are slow (though they get a little faster in the southern parts of the state), passive-agressive, and frequently unpredictable, and don't understand that if they're the slowest car on the road they should not be in the left lane. If the speed limit on the sign is 60 or lower, that 's generally the actual speed. If the sign is 65, the actual speed is somewhere between 60 and 70.

Pennsylvania (at least the Eastern half of the state) drivers are an odd lot... I don't do enough driving in PA to get an accurate feel, but generally they'll stay out of the left lane, usually they're a little bit faster than Ohio drivers, but nowhere near as fast as California or Michigan drivers.

I've never driven in New York state, but the New Yorkers that pass through ohio are agressive, left lane hogs, but they're slow as molasses. By far my least favorite of the "types" I've identified.

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User currently offlineGreggarious From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1990 times:



Quoting MainMAN (Reply 9):
I noticed that in Victoria, Australia, people have to drive at bang on the speed limit, which is infuriating when you're used to UK roads.



Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 12):
In the netherlands, 80 means 80, and 100 means 100.

Oy, are the speed limits really enforced that strictly? Or is it simply culturally unacceptable to speed?

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 9):
American drivers seems a lot calmer and forgiving than UK drivers.

 Silly Depends. Try driving in Miami!

Quoting Flexo (Reply 10):
While I lived in the states I got pulled over twice before I decided to stop speeding, I didn't know there were areas where it is ok to do so!

I guess it's matter of selectively gunning it. I have to drive on the same causeway (a six lane road with a horrifically low 45 MPH speed limit) every single day and I know by this time exactly where the Miami PD tends to hide out with its radar guns. So I ease off the gas a few times during my drive, bring the car down to 45, and then shoot back up to 60 or so when I'm in the clear... things like that.

I guess it's a sense of proactive speeding.  Wink

Quoting Flighty (Reply 11):
You want to buy a 505hp Corvette Z06 and race me? You can't use ANY of that horsepower in real life.

I totally see where you're coming from. A Z06 on American streets is just wasted horsepower. But I'm not at all in favor of sluggish, underpowered cars either (your example of a Toyota Prius is probably the most anemic driving experience I've had).

How exactly does taxation on engines work in Europe? Is it the size of the engine? Perhaps we could start taxing cars here in the US based on power-to-weight ratio or something thereabouts.


User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3502 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1972 times:



Quoting Greggarious (Reply 15):
Oy, are the speed limits really enforced that strictly? Or is it simply culturally unacceptable to speed?

They are. Driving in the netherlands is no fun, although it might be that going slightly faster can be tolerated, but generally, the netherlands are full of speed traps, red signal traps, and the like. It might be that they tolerate 5 km/h faster, but we really did not want to try that.

Quoting Greggarious (Reply 15):
How exactly does taxation on engines work in Europe? Is it the size of the engine? Perhaps we could start taxing cars here in the US based on power-to-weight ratio or something thereabouts.

There is no European taxation, as taxation is in the competence of every member state, therefore, each state has its own system.

In germany, taxation is (still, a reform is planned) based on emission class and engine size. For trucks, taxation is based on the allowed maximum weight. There are different tax values for Diesel and Petrol cars, Diesel have a higher car tax, because Diesel fuel on the other hand is cheaper because of lower taxation due to the fact that all trucks in Europe use Diesel engines.

The taxation goes per 100 cubic centimetres. My old VW bug had no catalytic converters and was thus in the worst possible class for petrol driven cars. It cost 25,xx EUR per 100 ccm. I had a 1,2 litre engine = 1200 ccm = 12 x 25,xx EUR = 304 EUR

Modern cars with modern converters are much cheaper per 100 ccm, so a VW Passat with a 2 litre engine would cost something like 20 x 6 = 120 EUR per year.

A diesel is, as I have said, more expensive, so you would pay around 300 EUR for a Passat TDI (I really do not know the current numbers, but it is in that region.

The system will change soon for new cars, which will get a taxation based on their CO-2 emissions.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1969 times:



Quoting Flexo (Reply 10):
What do you mean? There are highways that are unrestricted or there are parts where the police don't care?

Have you ever been to the US, especially the western US? I've driven the equivalent of all the way across France and never even seen the highway patrol. I can get up to 100mph and back down to the speed limit and no one, not another person will see me do it. It is just wide open out here. When I first moved to Nevada it had no speed limit outside of city limits and there were only 17 highway patrol in the whole state. (nearly the size of Germany) There are highways where I can see ten miles in front of me and ten miles behind me and not see a single car, much less a state trooper.

I have a car capable of 145-150 mph, 168 if it has the torque to redline in top gear, which I doubt. I've never taken it above 105 because, unlike most drivers on the road, I understand the role of ailerons, elevator and rudder at such speeds. And BTW, I get 24-28 miles per gallon if I can keep my foot out of it.

Still, every once in a while it is fun to start up a freeway onramp at 35, hit a hundred before the top and coast out into traffic at 75 or so like everyone else is doing. A mountain road I like to drive has a short straight where most cars can usually hit fifty or so. I can exit the turn at about 45 and hit seventy by the time I have to brake for the next corner. It's called fun. It's called being alive and it doesn't involve triple-digit speeds.



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User currently offlineGreggarious From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1966 times:



Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 16):
There is no European taxation, as taxation is in the competence of every member state, therefore, each state has its own system.

Wow, my "EU as a Political System" course a couple of semesters did me a lot of good!  Big grin I can't believe I let that one slip...

Thanks for the info!


User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2096 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1967 times:



Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 12):
Some people use to say Speed limit + VAT in km/h

 Smile

Quoting BristolFlyer (Reply 13):
Sure about that? Here in Phx the drivers are so flippin discourteous, they never let you change lanes on teh freeway (even speeding up to not let you in).



Quoting Lincoln (Reply 14):
Californians are agressive, fast, and (for me at least) predictable

Only state I've driven in so far was California and my experience was the opposite. I was struck by how easy it was to change lanes in comparison with the UK, and how you weren't automatically deemed a 'twat' if you ever showed a moments hesitation!

Quoting Greggarious (Reply 15):
Oy, are the speed limits really enforced that strictly? Or is it simply culturally unacceptable to speed?

In Victoria, speed limits are enforced. In Britain, they're enforced primarily by 6000 cameras, defouling the landscape and making it look like a police state. Having said that, they work.

We also have 'time-over-distance' cameras which measure speed over a distance of road, and are a particularly crafty way of screwing motorists.


User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3502 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1964 times:

Quoting Greggarious (Reply 18):

Wow, my "EU as a Political System" course a couple of semesters did me a lot of good! Big grin I can't believe I let that one slip...

No problem, and naturally, the taxation must not discriminate against products from other member states, as this would infringe EC-legislation. Whether this isn't the case can be debated, as Germany certainly would not adopt any legislation which harms its own car industry with big cars, while a taxation which benefits smaller cars would be of no surprise in Italy or France. There is nothing better than discrimination hidden in taxation laws, which at first look seems to be neutral...

[Edited 2008-07-31 15:18:47]

User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1957 times:

It's the acceleration, rather than the top speed, that I'd buy a fast car for. Even if I'm going to stick to 60mph on an A road, getting there in 5 seconds is far more thrilling than getting there in 14.

In the UK, relatively few people actually stick to the speed limit. I was doing 76mph on a 70mph dual carriageway today, and was still being overtaken at some speed. Most speed cameras won't even flash you upto around 85-90mph.


User currently offlineGreggarious From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1959 times:



Quoting MainMAN (Reply 19):
We also have 'time-over-distance' cameras which measure speed over a distance of road, and are a particularly crafty way of screwing motorists.



User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3502 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1955 times:

I just want to add that there are huge regional difference in the way people are driving both between the different European states and inside those states.

If you see someone in Germany with the number plate AIC, there is only one way to save your life: RUN, FLEE, AS FAST AS POSSIBLE!!! Those people simply cannot drive at all.

But to be a little bit more serious, in Germany you still can see where a car is registered, as every district has its own number plate, and you even have to change it if you move around from one district to another one. Very anachronistic, but it does have its good sides. You can see where people come from, and it is really true that people from rural areas like Aichach-Friedberg (with AIC on it) simply cannot drive (I love generalisations when they are true).

In Denmark, people in Jutland cannot drive at all. I lived there for several years, and found it astonishing how you can drive 40 km/h on a public road that allows 80 without realising that this is kind of stupid. They also always seemed to start from traffic signals in 3rd gear, because they needed 20 seconds to get up to 50 km/h. My mum always found that relaxing, I did not.

Did I mention Italy already, btw?  Wink


User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3700 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1862 times:

Maybe I misunderstood the question. I didn't think you meant limited by a speed limit as limited by how fast you could go. On the island my brother lives that I mentioned before, with the exception of one road you'd struggle to do more than about 60mph anywhere on the island as the roads are so small...yet you get a lot of faster cars there.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 7):
Well in some parts of the US, one can get away with going 70+mph.

A whole 70mph?? I, like anyone else, rarely drive at less than 70mph on the interstate. Usually around 80-85mph.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 7):
My dad has owned nothing but high end luxury imports

Volvo isn't a high end luxury brand!!

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 9):
American drivers seems a lot calmer and forgiving than UK drivers.

Having driven on both sides of the Atlantic a lot I'd have to say driving in Britain is a hell of a lot more civilised than the US. Admittedly I haven't done much of the middle states but I've driven enough on the East and West coasts...I have too many gripes to list here about driving in the US: too many people on the phone, left/middle lane hangers, no use of indicators, rare use of lights in inclement weather, abysmal lane discipline etc etc.



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25 A342 : I happen to live near that area (not in it!) and I wonder how you can come to this conclusion.
26 ScarletHarlot : The Slammer has it just right. We have a road just south of my house that is a beautiful twisty two-lane country road. The posted speed limit is 35 m
27 SlamClick : Hello lady. Yes it is and there are some very similar considerations. Chief among these is intelligent anticipation. A friend of mine who checks peop
28 MCOflyer : In some parts of the US the speed limit is 75mph and if the cops are nice you can do 80-85 and not get pulled over. Hunter
29 RedFlyer : Excellent point. I've always felt that police here should ticket people for bad driving habits (e.g., unsafe lane changes, etc.) more than they do fo
30 Flighty : Right, 90 MPH is the de facto USA speed limit right now. There seems to be no place where driving >90 is allowed. Meaning, tolerated by the local pol
31 Bok269 : Small penises exist everywhere, regardless of the speed limit. The cops care, to an extent, but for the most part if you are on a highway or road wit
32 Lincoln : Unless you're in Ohio If there's one thing I could change about the state it would be to adopt a California or Michigan attitude twoards speed limits
33 Asuflyer05 : A lot of people who purchase performance vehicles (Porsche, Ferrari, etc.) are interested in owning a piece of the heritage. While the majority of the
34 Aerobalance : I need the low rpm/high torque and relatively high horsepower of my cars to move about with authority, I don't want to wait for a low torque/low hors
35 KhelmDTW : Ha, Don't forget Grand Rapids. You have to be VERY aggressive while driving, or you won't get anywhere. Also the speed limit is 20-30 over. It says 5
36 Post contains links Janmnastami : Well, a man can buy fast cars because they have a good design, or because he's interested in fast cars, or maybe because it's a passion (maybe inherit
37 TheSonntag : I lived in Augsburg until yesterday, and that was the impression I got
38 Bok269 : That may be true. My car will accelerate to around 15 mph in 10 seconds while idling. It must be something in the air.
39 JJJ : Top speed means nothing. Acceleration, handling, grip, etc. is what I'm looking for in a fast car (not that I own any particularly fast car, but that
40 Waterpolodan : As others said, the main reason we have high horsepower, showy cars here in the US is because we can. Secondary to that, it's a mix of people that act
41 SlamClick : It's been so long since I bought a car that I've forgotten some of the things that impressed me but one of them is a very pertinent answer to the orig
42 Pelican : Knowing how people from Berlin drive I doubt your generalisation. They are very often "Sonntagsfahrer" (I hope you don't mind and aren't used to driv
43 LOT767-300ER : Anyone that has a car in the USA under 200hp is an idiot. Unless youre poor as dirt and can only afford a Chevy Beretta. Period. About the only place
44 Planespotting : Settttttle - there aren't too many areas in the US that allow 80 ... mainly just areas in West Texas and Montana.
45 Greggarious : I'm sorry, but you're dead wrong. Anyone in the US with a car under 200 HP is probably patting themselves on the back right now for driving a car tha
46 Flexo : I am sure you are right, but also 80mph is easily done in a Smart car. Which is a rather weak argument though, as in a free country there are a lot o
47 Bok269 : That's one thing you are right about (although I could've sworn I've seen a sign that says State speed limit 55), but it in most places it is 55. And
48 Post contains images Waterpolodan : Do you think people driving around in these are idiots and/or dirt poor? Stock engine has 189hp, and yet it still performs close to many of the gas g
49 Lincoln : My understanding is that in general (never personally driven in NY state, so not sure) those types of signs are for roads where a different limit is
50 PHLBOS : That probably is the case. The 55-zones along I-84 and I-87/287 have signs that mention State Speed Limit 55 whereas the speed limit signs along the
51 Bok269 : Near where I live they are often found at municipal lines.
52 LOT767-300ER : Here comes the mass rage. Im patting myself on the back for not buying a econobox even with $4.00 gas. Id rather drive a bit less than cut my balls of
53 Bok269 : The fact that people drive gas guzzlers isn't the only issue, but our high demand definitely plays into it. Part of the reason why we are seeing a sl
54 Flighty : Whatever. Hahahaha. I know some people love horsepower. But why not get something you can actually use? Don't you think it is funny that I can drive
55 FlyMIA : Well I drive a 310hp V8 VW Touareg. First thing first I love is the acceleration, its great being able to speed up fast especially when entering the h
56 Asuflyer05 : The problem was it was a Maserati. I love them, I sell them. But they are service pigs.
57 Waterpolodan : I wasn't saying anything about GM, I know full well how great a track car they can build, I've seen the C6.R race on a number of occasions and I've h
58 Flexo : Having been both to Poland and to the US quite a lot I have to say that Poland is much, much worse when it comes to driving. Sure, they might be goin
59 LOT767-300ER : Poland is not worse than the US because of drivers. It is much worse because there are absolutely no good roads. Everyone knows that and its as appar
60 Post contains images Waterpolodan : Travel, for what it's worth. I love cars, but I love traveling much, much more. Yep, I clearly have no balls! Riiight
61 Planespotting : What does that even mean? So what does that have to do with losing our balls in the middle east?
62 Bok269 : Given that small diesels have been hard to come by (especially in CA and the northeast), hybrids are a more viable option to many.
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