StasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 2826 posts, RR: 1 Posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8424 times:
The below Cadillac limousine has been photographed twice within the last month during testing on public roads. It's believed to be more of a armored truck than a true Caddy limousine. With so much armor being added, Cadillac appears to have utilized a truck chassis along the lines of the Topkick medium truck platform. In fact, the limo was seen testing with two regular GM Topkick trucks and the wheels and tires on the limo appeared to be the same size as the Topkick. The tires on the limo are Goodyear Regional RHS, possibly on 22.5 inch wheels.
According to reports, "a very large diesel is under the hood" as the exhaust note coming from the back of the limo was akin to "the medium-duty Topkick" diesel truck.
The styling of the new Presidential limo pulls elements of different Cadillac models. The grille, front clip, and headlights seem to be from the Escalade; the rear seems to display some STS styling. Reports also state that photographers see "holders on the top of the front fenders where two small American flags would traditionally go."
The armored doors on this limo "are at least 8 inches thick". The thick doors indicate it’s bullet and bomb-proof and/or the passenger cabin is pressurized for protection from biological agents like nerve gas. The vehicle is rumored to weight about 25,000 lbs....
This new vehicle is expected to be delivered to the U.S. Secret Service by January 20, 2009 - but that's just a wild guess.
Cadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9069 posts, RR: 42 Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8421 times:
That thing is fugly.. rear of a DTS, doors off a god knows what, and the front of an Escalade, thou, the side quarter panels look like DTS ones...
Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
Comorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4251 posts, RR: 19 Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8366 times:
Jetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1447 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8352 times:
On the current presidental limo, only the grill is from a production Caddy, the rest of the car is hand made, not counting the engine.
I guess with what IED's have been doing to armored troop carriers in Iraq, there is a need for a much stronger presidental limo
Sv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8336 times:
That is the ugliest limo I have ever seen..If I were President Bush or future Obama/McCain I wouldn't want to be seen in that thing..GM is the same company that produced the CTS, so what gives here? That is just YUCK!
What's wrong with the current limo? I think it's pretty new from 2004 or something. I mean how many miles does a Presidential Limo rack up a year? Like 500? Seems like a big waste of taxpayer dollars.
Cadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9069 posts, RR: 42 Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8333 times:
Quoting Jetstar (Reply 4): I guess with what IED's have been doing to armored troop carriers in Iraq, there is a need for a much stronger presidental limo
Becasue after all. Washington is Bagdad and all those crazy liberals up on Penn Ave
Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 5): Seems like a big waste of taxpayer dollars.
Can you say?:
Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
Bohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2067 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8307 times:
My tax dollars are being wasted on THAT??? It looks like something created by someone using leftovers from the parts bin. Is there really a need for it?
StasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 2826 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8282 times:
Quoting Jetstar (Reply 4): I guess with what IED's have been doing to armored troop carriers in Iraq, there is a need for a much stronger presidental limo
Maybe the Executive Branch relationship with the "mob" in the U.S. Congress has gotten really mean and nasty??
Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1): That thing is fugly.. rear of a DTS, doors off a god knows what, and the front of an Escalade, thou, the side quarter panels look like DTS ones...
I loved the elegant Lincoln limousines of the 1960's and 1970's. Here's a 1964 Continental limo - classy and elegant!
1964 Lincoln Continental Limousine
[Edited 2008-07-31 20:56:40]
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety!" B.Franklin
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 8407 posts, RR: 11 Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8192 times:
While I see the need of an heavily armoured car, and that armoured cars are more clumsy than the car they derive from, I must say that with respect that is not coming directly from a standard car the designers made a very bad job. What an ugly truck, Bush current car is ugly as well though. A wasted opportunity altough its not easy to make anthing pretty under the current Cadillac design mode.
While not directly comparable as its not as heavily plated here is a picture of an similarly sized one-off state limousine where the designers got it right despite they had the hard task to have to deal with an especially high roof: http://www.rrab.com/bgoldjub.htm
SWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8189 times:
Looks like the result of an escalade crashing into a Rolls Royce Phantom!
Quoting NA (Reply 12): altough its not easy to make anthing pretty under the current Cadillac design mode.
I think the new CTS is a very crisp looking car!
(not saying it's a good car!)
But I do like hooks and corners on vehicles and I guess I' am the only one...
On the other hand, a current Lamborghini is good looking and a Cadillac not...explain that!
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 11470 posts, RR: 8 Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8167 times:
For image reasons, it has to some 'car' cues, and from an American brand. Basically they have created a very sophicated Armored Personal Carrier. I am surprised at the disclosure of some of the details. I bet that GM takes a huge loss on making this car, but it's own pride is at stake here too. The use of a truck chassis is also needed as if there is an attack, they can jump curbs, go over rough surfaces and ram other vehicles out it's way.
Jetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1447 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8113 times:
Quoting Elite (Reply 16): What is with the black and gray body? Looks terrible, hopefully it is better inside.
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8405 posts, RR: 16 Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8106 times:
Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
According to reports, "a very large diesel is under the hood" as the exhaust note coming from the back of the limo was akin to "the medium-duty Topkick" diesel truck.
I hope he gets a ticket for polluting our atmosphere should he violate California emission requirements.
Cop: Do you know why you're being pulled over
Driver: No sir
Cop: You're polluting our atmosphere with that engine and I am going to have to cite you for this.
Driver: how much?
Cop: $350 due to the courts in one week
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 35710 posts, RR: 88 Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7995 times:
That thing is hideous!
Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 8): I loved the elegant Lincoln limousines of the 1960's and 1970's. Here's a 1964 Continental limo - classy and elegant!
Agreed!
Bill Clinton was the last President to have a nice looking limo. It was the last to be based on a retail version.
This new DTS thing is hideous!
It doesn't share a single square inch of the retail DTS.
StasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 2826 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7986 times:
Notice on the rear doors there's a "patch" over what appears to be a circular hole. I wonder if this is a rifle port? It seems likely that it is. This rifle port would be invisible once the vehicle receives its final paint and clearcoat applications.
If the Presidential Limo is using a GM Topkick diesel engine as reported, it could be an Isuzu motor (GM owns Isuzu) that produces 300 horsepower and up to 800 lbs/ft of torque.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety!" B.Franklin
SlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10019 posts, RR: 76 Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7981 times:
Quoting Bohica (Reply 7): Is there really a need for it?
Unless you want to pay the vastly higher costs of an assassination there probably is. The threat has changed, will change again.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 35710 posts, RR: 88 Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7979 times:
Quoting SlamClick (Reply 22): Unless you want to pay the vastly higher costs of an assassination there probably is. The threat has changed, will change again.
The thing may be hideous but it needs to offer protection for such a high-level figure.
I wish they made a variant based off the existing Lincoln Town Car.
SlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10019 posts, RR: 76 Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7968 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 23): I wish they made a variant based off the existing Lincoln Town Car.
With a Kevlar (TM) Landau top?
Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
25 HuskyAviation: That spot is usually where the Presidential Seal goes. I don't know if that conceals a rifle port as well. Agreed. It may be kinda fugly but I think
26 SWISSER: True! Although the Phantom is sooooo vulgar! Great BMW though! Oops, RR
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