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I Am Sick & Tired Of Tourists At Ground Zero  
User currently offlineN14053 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

That's it. I've had it. I can't take it anymore. I work on Broadway & Fulton (1 block away from Ground 0) and this is the case:

Everyday when I am going to lunch the're are a whole bunch of tourists from all over the world just blocking the side walks, the streets, shops it's ridicolous. I very well know that they are bringing in revenue for the city but for crying out loud don't they get enough of the damn disaster area. They just love to gaze at it and stare in disbelieve. People, get over it already. It happened, affected every human being but it's time to move on.

How would you guys feel if you were in my shoes?

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User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1747 times:

Saw pics of it. Nothing but a hole in the ground and a little of the mall is left. Otherwise except for that and some debris, its just a construstion crater.


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6501 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1744 times:

OK, maybe these people want to pay homage to the victims and relfect on the whole thing. Just like you do by using the Reg # of a crashed New York airplane.


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1737 times:

I think you should get over it (meaning the tourists). Just because you've dealt with it doesn't mean everybody in the world has. This will eventually go away, but it's only been 6 months... may seem like an eternity to you, but if these people are coming from all over the world, it takes awhile to get over here.

Look at this way: it's good for people to see this in person and really impress on their souls the evil that terrorism does. It helps build world resolve to combat this. Your minor inconvenience pales in comparison.


P.S. You spelled 'ridiculous' wrong.



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineN14053 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1733 times:

But how much homage is their to be paid. I am pretty sure the number of tourists on a daily bais surpasses the 1 million mark. It's ridicolous I'm telling you. You have to see it for yourself.

User currently offlineN14053 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1724 times:

Oops. I did it again ridiculous.

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1721 times:

Well, there's over 6 billion people in the world.... so it's going to take awhile for everyone who wants to to pay homage.


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

So, you want people to visit America, and especially New York again, seen as though the tourism industry is basically dead, but you only want them to do what you want?

User currently offlineMcringring From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

I'm with N14053 on this one. It's out of hand. They've been selling tickets to the observtion deck and people are waiting hours / days to get up there. I live 15 minutes away and I haven't been there yet. I don't have any intention of going, either.

I hardly think most of the tourists are going there to "pay homage." More like they just want to see the disaster they've heard so much about. I guess it's easier for them to stare because it doesn't affect them as much.


User currently offlineN14053 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

Thank you MC. Have you seen all these people selling photos of the planes slamming into the towers and photos of people running in fear. It's disgusting. I actually came out on one of those F&^king pictues. If they wan't to sell my f&*^ing face then maybe I should get a cut as well.

I was there when the first tower came down and trust me till this day I have breathing problems from all the crap in the air. (different topic)


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

>>I guess it's easier for them to stare because it doesn't affect them as much.<<

I'm not sure what you mean, but if you're saying looking at the site doesn't affect people, I would strongly disagree with you. Why would people waste their time to buy tickets and wait two hours to see the site if it didn't affect them personally?

It's human nature to want to see the site and try to comprehend what happened. Just hearing about it without seeing it first-hand isn't enough for a lot of people. This event drastically changed the world.



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

I'm English, I'm thousands of miles away from New York, but I saw the worst terrorist attack, the death of 3000 people and a 767 hitting one of the WTC twin towers live. Of course it affected me.

 Insane


User currently offlineMcringring From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

Selling pictures like that is messed up. I've seen a few around and it's sick. Fortunately those street vendors are the only place I've seen the pics. I haven't seen them hung up anywhere. And I don't expect to.

There are also a lot of places that have pictures of the towers still standing and "we won't forget" or something. I don't think we're in danger of forgetting anytime soon, anyway.

TWFirst:
I guess it's easier for them to stare because it doesn't affect them

as much



User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

Now selling pictures of the incident is a totally different story... that IS disgusting, and if I see some loser hawking pictures of the planes slamming into the WTC, I will give them a piece of my mind.


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1677 times:

Yes, I see the "as much" but I'm still not quite clear what you're point is.... that if someone stares at the site it's easier for them??? Just trying to understand what you mean.


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineMcringring From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1672 times:

No, easier for them if they were not directly affected, ie. at the site at the time, knew people who were killed, happened in their city, etc.


777236ER: Who said you weren't affected?  Insane


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

Ahhhh... gotcha. In other words, people who were most directly affected would find it hard/too painful to stare at the site, whereas those who weren't directly affected don't have that problem.


Well, maybe. But it seems to me a lot of families of those killed have been pushing to be able to observe the recovery effort at the site since day one.



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1659 times:

YOU!

I guess it's easier for them to stare because it doesn't affect them as much.


User currently offlineJcxp15 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

Yea I agree with N14053. It's gotten out of hand. Now the site is like a tourist attraction. I mean, I guess the tourists wanna see what happened, but it's gotten so crowded and out of hand.
I'm always hearing people ask for directions to the WTC, or if I went to see it, or declaring to one another on the train that they;re gonna see it. Well I could the towers out of my window, and that was enough. I will admit that I did go down there 4 days after the attack. (We took the 4 train to city hall (for some reason it was stopping there for a while) and snuck in). But that was enough for me. The site is a sacred place, not a movie theater or Times Square.
The tourists are gonna do what they wanna I guess. I mean, they are bringing in revenue and all (which is good).
And I know what you're saying about the pictures of the attacks. Some of these people are so eager to make money, that they will sell anything. In Chinatown, you can get the pictures anywhere (for a high price).

I guess we just gotta live with it as NY'ers.


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

I've talked to quite a few teenagers who have gone and seen it. Most of them just did it because it would be "the cool thing to do" while in New York. It seems like most go just to take a picture and be able to say they've seen it.

User currently offlineUAL1837 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

I am actually more proud to say that years ago, I looked down upon Manhattan from the legendary Windows on the World...I think that is a far better thing to brag about than seeing the ruins.

Long live the twin towers!


User currently offlineMcringring From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

TWFirst: I think the families wanted to go down there at least once as kind of an informal funeral, since chances are their loved one's remains won't be found (even though they found 2 police officers yesterday). But I don't see them arguing to go down there every day. I see it this way:

3,000 innocent people were murdered here

3,000 innocent people including my husband, wife, child, friend, colleague, neighbor, etc. were murdered here.

Neither are easy to deal with. But those with a personal connection to someone who was killed may find it tougher to deal with a "birds eye" view of the murder site.

777236ER: Ok, I guess you didn't get it the first time. So I'll make it bigger for you this time...  Insane

I guess it's easier for them to stare because it doesn't affect them

as much.


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

I am pretty sure the number of tourists on a daily bais surpasses the 1 million mark.

If one million people did indeed flock to the narrow, congested streets around the viewing area, bulldozers and dump trucks would be needed to remove the piles of suffocated corpses.



"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineRickster From Austria, joined Dec 2000, 653 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1625 times:

I, like millions of others have seen the drama live on TV. As a frequent visitor of NYC it affected me very much.
In February when i was in NYC for business, my schedule was extremely packed. But on my way back to JFK i ordered the driver to go down to the area in one of the side streets.
I was there only about 5 - 10 minutes just walking around. I saw the line of tourists waiting to get to the observation platform. It must have been somewhere around Chambers St. i don´t remember the place exactly where these obviousley sick people are selling sick stuff. T-shirts with picture prints, posters of the scenery from the impact until the collapse, baseball caps with "I visited ground zero", plastic Twin Towers on top of a plastic Pentagon, etc. etc.
I am not ashamed that i was there, for me it was a moment of silence. I was more ashamed of those who are making money there and those who are buying this stuff.

Regards Rickster


User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7269 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1611 times:

If you put it on TV people will want it...they saw all the events unfold on CNN so they of course want to see it for themselves. there isn't very much they can do......it is a bit like as you pass a fatal car accident the cars all slow down as they stare out the window at the crushed car.... that is Human Nature..

25 N14053 : Well my friend. I just came back from eating my rice and beans. Right in front of the restaurant was one of those sick f#$ks selling pictures. I went
26 TWFirst : WHOA. I can understand your frustration. And taking pictures of the incident you just described IS truly tasteless.
27 777236ER : So you assaulted someone, threatened them, lied to a police officer, effectivly stole this guy's photos, screamed at a tourist who's keeping 100000s o
28 Tbar220 : Hey 777236ER, have you ever heard of the word "frustration"? I think you shouldn't comment like that unless you've truly felt what N14053 was feeling.
29 Mls515 : sniff sniff, smells like........sniff sniff...bullshit! I still want N14053 to say why he has the reg of a crashed airliner as his username.
30 777236ER : Hey 777236ER, have you ever heard of the word "frustration"? I think you shouldn't comment like that unless you've truly felt what N14053 was feeling.
31 N14053 : I tell you when I signed up for this forum I never knew there could be so many f#$ked dumb people here. 777236ER, Have you even been paying attention
32 777236ER : You know what. I did have the right to do what I did. He was selling my picture without my consent. And if I catch any other motherf#$er selling pictu
33 Post contains images Aviatsiya.ru : It's disgusting. I actually came out on one of those F&^king pictues. If they wan't to sell my f&*^ing face then maybe I should get a cut as well. Goo
34 Jcxp15 : 777236ER you said: You're a weird person. You admitted this was bullshit. You had no right to do what you did, frustrated or not. It was perfectly leg
35 764er : LOL I just came back from eating my rice and beans I smell BS, too. And I don't think it's the beans.
36 Climbout : Of course it's going to be a tourist attraction because people are curious about it. I've heard that no matter how much you see it on TV, one just can
37 PROSA : Of course it's going to be a tourist attraction because people are curious about it. I've heard that no matter how much you see it on TV, one just can
38 PROSA : Of course it's going to be a tourist attraction because people are curious about it. I've heard that no matter how much you see it on TV, one just can
39 Aerorobnz : "Hey 777236ER, have you ever heard of the word "frustration"? I think you shouldn't comment like that unless you've truly felt what N14053 was feelin
40 Climbout : By the way, thank you, PROSA, for putting me on your list. I tried to add you to my respected list but couldn't because it only allows 20 users, which
41 Lj : I'm 100% with N14053. I haven't been there (and I won't go to NYC anytime soon) but judging by how some airlines / touroperators sell trips to NYC, I
42 Delta-flyer : Certainly I would not go to NYC just to see Ground Zero, but if I am there anyway (and I do go there frequently -- once every 10-20 years) I will visi
43 Climbout : Yes, but Ground Zero is now considered by many to be a Memorial Ground. It's not logical to think that it shouldn't be a tourist attraction--Memorial
44 Blink182 : Let's face it, it might have done nothing for a regular guy in France other than making him feel bad that this happened.(no offence to anyone by this
45 JonPaulGeoRngo : N14053, 60 years and a handful of months since December 7, 1941, people are still flocking to see the oil leaking from the USS Arizona on the bottom o
46 Post contains images SafetyDude : I hate the idea of people thinking "Hmm...where should we go? I know, let's go to NYC to see Ground Zero!" I live and was there 9/11 and it's nothing
47 PROSA : I'm 100% with N14053. I haven't been there (and I won't go to NYC anytime soon) but judging by how some airlines / touroperators sell trips to NYC, I
48 Greg : I'll be in NY next week. I'm going to see. How can you got to New York City and NOT want to see it. It shows not morbidity or lack of respect. It's li
49 Eal401 : So N14053, which would you prefer? 1) No-one gives a sh*t and no-one goes to NYC. 2) People are curious, visit NYC and go to Ground Zero? If I go to N
50 Skyway1 : I think 14053 is gone dude, check out his profile. Chris
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