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Obama Flip Flop On Offshore Drilling  
User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

Here We Go Again.......

After maintaining he does not support offshore drilling just TWO DAYS ago:

Obama calls offshore drilling a 'scheme':

"The oil companies are shoving this thing down the throats of Congress, because they know everybody wants to try to pretend they're doing something about the energy crisis,” Obama said. “This is not real. I know it's tempting. The polls say its one of the ways that a majority of Americans think we're going to solve this problem, but it's not real."

"I understand how desperate folks are. If I thought that I could provide you some immediate relief on gas by drilling off the shores of California and New Jersey… I'd do it.”


Source: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-calls-offshore-drilling-a-scheme/

Now He "Clarifies" (FLIP FLOP) His position today and says:

"Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said on Friday he would back limited offshore drilling as part of a broader energy package that attempted to bring down gas prices and reduce U.S. dependence on foreign oil.


Obama dropped his blanket opposition to any expansion of offshore drilling and signaled support for a bipartisan compromise in Congress aimed at breaking a deadlock on energy that includes limited drilling."



http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080802/pl_nm/usa_politics_obama_drill_dc


Yup....Change!!! Yes We Can Flip Flop

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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3335 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1397 times:



Quoting Sv7887 (Thread starter):
"Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said on Friday he would back limited offshore drilling as part of a broader energy package that attempted to bring down gas prices and reduce U.S. dependence on foreign oil.


Obama dropped his blanket opposition to any expansion of offshore drilling and signaled support for a bipartisan compromise in Congress aimed at breaking a deadlock on energy that includes limited drilling."

Here is the fundamental republican advantage that gives them the best chance to win every election they are in and they shouldn't have it this way but they always get away with it. He was against it now he sees that there could be a benefit to LIMITED drilling and I bet the GOP wants it unregulated as they want most things. Now on something that might make sense on both sides of the aisle he is labeled a flip-flopper for one position and not looking out for the little guy on the other. Because of this it us up to the Obama camp to decide which side is bad or worse.

The same thing would have happened if he came back from Iraq and said "I was wrong and thing we should stay there." He would have been drilled for flip-flopping so much worse than what he was drilled for already, and also would have pissed off the left but they aren't going anywhere. The GOP should give him the credit and some do such as Bill O'Reilly and Pat Buchanan but most of them are waiting to slam him more so such as Rush and Hannity.

While all of this has happened McCain's flip-flops have gone pretty much un-noticed by the media and oil drilling, tax cuts, immigration reform etc. are things that McCain has changed position on in the past. So far the media for the most part claims that he changed his views because of new information and its acceptable.

This should be applied equally to both sides but sadly its not and it may be the liberal media but the democrat getting most of the attention gets hurt every time for changing his/her opinion based on facts that change over a campaign or several years.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8876 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

All politicians flip flop. Comes with the job.


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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9239 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1392 times:



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 2):
All politicians flip flop. Comes with the job.

exactly.

it's quite refreshing to see all the "experts" here who don't really ... know what they're talking about.



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User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1386 times:



Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 1):
He was against it now he sees that there could be a benefit to LIMITED drilling and I bet the GOP wants it unregulated as they want most things.

Yet TWO days ago he was against the idea entirely....His timing is way off and is in response to the public opinion polls calling for it....McCain timed his "flip flop" better as soon as oil spiked..

Quoting STLGph (Reply 3):
it's quite refreshing to see all the "experts" here who don't really ... know what they're talking about.

And you do oh exalted member of Mainstream Media? Riiiiiightttttt

I know how politics works dude, but your guy has an identity problem:

Isn't Obama a new kind of politician, a leader of change, someone that is an Washington outsider?

This is why it's an issue....You can't have it both ways: Position yourself as an outsider and then behave like a normal politician..

Sen Obama has positioned his whole identity on NOT being the typical politician yet makes Kerry look like saint..


User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1375 times:



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 4):
Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 1):
He was against it now he sees that there could be a benefit to LIMITED drilling and I bet the GOP wants it unregulated as they want most things.

Yet TWO days ago he was against the idea entirely....His timing is way off and is in response to the public opinion polls calling for it....McCain timed his "flip flop" better as soon as oil spiked..

You think maybe his timing has something to do with the fact that Congress recessed today without a vote on it??? Now Obama can say, "Well, I supported it, but Congress didn't do anything... but you all can go ahead and tune up your cars and check your tire pressure, and that'll do the same thing to solve our energy crisis..."



The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
User currently offlinePlatypus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1372 times:



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 2):
All politicians flip flop. Comes with the job.

Obama has taken it to a new level. He has eclipsed the Clinton's, which was something I didn't think was possible.

Quoting Sv7887 (Thread starter):
Now He "Clarifies" (FLIP FLOP) His position today and says:

"Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said on Friday he would back limited offshore drilling as part of a broader energy package that attempted to bring down gas prices and reduce U.S. dependence on foreign oil.

Obama's audacity to say this now, considering what he said just a weeks ago, is mind boggling. It was just this past June when Obama said "I'd like higher gas prices, just not so quickly"

What baloney!!!

Now that he sees the majority of the populous wanting lower gas prices, which should not have been too hard to figure out, he flip flops.

Lets see here, Obama wants higher taxes and gas prices. That should be great for the economy, and middle American!  sarcastic 

Obama is a different person, minus a teleprompter! Now, see and hear for yourself Obama's view on gas prices: http://nobama4pres.blogspot.com/2008...d-like-higher-gas-prices-just.html

Obama: I'd like higher gas prices, just not so quickly footinmouth 

June 11, 2008


Cheerio


User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1370 times:



Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 5):
You think maybe his timing has something to do with the fact that Congress recessed today without a vote on it??? Now Obama can say, "Well, I supported it, but Congress didn't do anything... but you all can go ahead and tune up your cars and check your tire pressure, and that'll do the same thing to solve our energy crisis..."

That and the growing public support for it...

If he wasn't running on a "Change" platform I wouldn't even bother commenting on it, but he's based his whole mantra on this changing the world crap and being an outsider..

See no one "cares" about McCain because the Media Experts such as the one on this board have already anointed John McCain "McSame, McSenile, McBush" so why should anyone care what McCain does? He's too old, he's too angry, yada yada yada

But they are pushing the Obama Sales Job/love fest and act like a scorned lover when someone actually points out he is full of it. If you're going to Push Obama as a new kind of leader want to defend your candidate's apparent mis-steps?

Tar and feather away but don't let the facts get in your way..Oh wait isn't that an oxymoron in today's media??

Where is Pope and the Hypocrisy meter?


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

Gee, he actually amended what he said, and now says that limited drilling might be OK?

Wow, I can see where that is a sin, Sv7887. I think the death penealty should apply to anyone who DARES change their mind, even a little bit. I know you've gotten used to a president who never changes his mind, even when he's dead wrong, but, again, you're making the perverbial mountain out of a mole hill.

And I see you and MaidensGator are already at the chum, swarming around it like those sharks I mentioned in another thread. You guys not getting enough entertainment in your life?


User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1356 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
Wow, I can see where that is a sin, Sv7887. I think the death penealty should apply to anyone who DARES change their mind, even a little bit.

How about we just laugh at Obama, changing every position he used to beat Hillary, to the positions that Hillary had when she lost.... He's running on "change" alright, change your mind every ten minutes...

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
And I see you and MaidensGator are already at the chum, swarming around it like those sharks I mentioned in another thread. You guys not getting enough entertainment in your life?

Aw come on Falcon, don't get upset... You take this all too seriously... The Republicans and conservatives haven't even begun to get on Obama's case. They can't do that until after the convention. You see, if they let the real dirt out now, those super-delegates might change THEIR mind and nominate Hillary...

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 



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User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1356 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
Gee, he actually amended what he said, and now says that limited drilling might be OK?

"Amended" After months of telling us drilling was wrong why the change of heart? Where is his principles Falcon?

Didn't you tell me he was a leader of change? Hasn't Obama and the Press told us how the world is waiting for this kind of leadership?

God this is too easy:

Obama's OWN Senate Website From 2006
http://obama.senate.gov/news/060802-senate_oks_gulf/

We're opposed to this bill," said Sierra Club spokeswoman Annie Strickler. She said better automobile mileage, as proposed in a bill co-sponsored by Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), would yield greater energy independence at less cost to the environment.

Obama voted against the bill and said the Republican leadership was being "dishonest" by believing the nation's energy problem could be solved with more drilling.

So for over TWO years Obama has been totally against drilling in any form, up until two days ago and suddenly has an epiphany?

That's my problem, the guy has zero principles...A new kind of leader? Change? Nope, More of the Same...

But ignore the facts and keep believing what the Media "experts" tell you.


User currently offlinePlatypus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1358 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
Wow, I can see where that is a sin, Sv7887

No one said it was a sin, just extremely stupid for your boy Obama to want higher gas prices!!! That statement in and of its self is one of the most asinine remarks I've heard since John Kerry. Now, Obama does a 180 when it finally hit him Americans don't want high gas prices.

He was for it, before he was against it Too little, too late Obama!!!

Cheerio


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1352 times:



Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 9):
Aw come on Falcon, don't get upset... You take this all too seriously...

Upset? Hardly. I think the fact that you and others can't get enough of these threads and all of these non-issues is hysterical, as I said before. You're like flies landing on the manure.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 10):
Obama voted against the bill and said the Republican leadership was being "dishonest" by believing the nation's energy problem could be solved with more drilling.

And he's right. All the GOP wants to do is drill more. That seems to be the limit of their energy policy. Seems Sen. Obama wants to concentrate on new energy sources, instead of simply drilling and drilling and drilling. And if some drilling is needed, it's no sin to say so.

So, now, he wants to do, on a limited basis, something you AGREE with, and you STILL hammer him! People like you have been telling him "You dummy, we need some more oil!". And when he comes out and says "Yeah, maybe we do need to drill a little bit", you crucify him!  rotfl 

God, what would ever happen to you guys if McCain actually said he's thinking differently about something? Oh, I forgot, Republicans never change their minds. It's against the party rules.  Big grin


User currently offlinePlatypus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1346 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
All the GOP wants to do is drill more

BS  redflag 

McCain wants to do it all. Wind, solar, nuclear, while utilizing our own natural resources. Obama has no plan. Oh, yes he does! He says check your tire pressure and tune up your car.

 boggled 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzZNP4tTfV0


Cheerio


User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1346 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
God, what would ever happen to you guys if McCain actually said he's thinking differently about something? Oh, I forgot, Republicans never change their minds. It's against the party rules. Big grin

Nope because he's McSame, McBush, nothing he says should surprise us because he's GWB II.

Your guy is a new kind of leader, an agent of Change, an outsider who believes in what he says, and never has any doubts.....

He says Drilling is dishonest, and until two days ago was completely against it....What changed in two days other than the release of a public opinion poll saying people are for it and warned that the public may hold him accountable??

McCain had enough sense to "flip flop" when things really started to get bad, so it seemed pretty logical...

Obama after several months FINALLY get the message (more like polling data) and relents..

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
So, now, he wants to do, on a limited basis, something you AGREE with, and you STILL hammer him! People like you have been telling him "You dummy, we need some more oil!". And when he comes out and says "Yeah, maybe we do need to drill a little bit", you crucify him!

What happened to his principles? He criticized McCain for doing the same thing....And how many months of $100+ oil did it take him to figure it out?

I hammer him because any sane person wouldn't have stubbornly stood against drilling when Gasoline hit $4 a gallon...For a guy who claims to identify with the common American he sure is pretty stupid...

The guy changes his opinions more than Kerry does...Until a few weeks ago he was lecturing Americans on not drilling, talking down to them..

This is him from TWO days ago:

"Obama said. “This is not real. I know it's tempting. The polls say its one of the ways that a majority of Americans think we're going to solve this problem, but it's not real."

It's not real? What made it real in two days Sen Obama? (The Polls warning of backlash from voters)

"I understand how desperate folks are. If I thought that I could provide you some immediate relief on gas by drilling off the shores of California and New Jersey… I'd do it.”

The man has no principles AT ALL..I bet the people at the Sierra Club must be going nuts right now.

At least McCain bet the farm on Iraq because he wanted it done right. He pissed off the establishment with Campaign Finance Reform, the Pentagon with the Boeing tanker deal, and pretty much the whole GOP with his immigration reform bill.

He's a politician for sure, but seemingly has some principles.

[Edited 2008-08-01 20:32:16]

User currently offlinePlatypus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1337 times:



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 14):
He's a politician for sure, but seemingly has some principles.

Nor good judgement and common sense.

Cheerio


User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1327 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
I think the fact that you and others can't get enough of these threads and all of these non-issues is hysterical, as I said before.

Off shore oil drilling is a non-issue? The Queen Bee doesn't seem to agree.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/12122.html

“I’m trying to save the planet; I’m trying to save the planet,” she says impatiently when questioned. “I will not have this debate trivialized by their excuse for their failed policy.”

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
And if some drilling is needed, it's no sin to say so.

Aaahhh, I was just remembering fondly the wise words of only a short while ago......

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...5&searchid=1947374&s=oil#ID1947374
President Bush Lifts Ban On Offshore Drilling

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 14):
And, this does what, to help us now?

Nothing? Nada? Zippo? Zilch? Not a damn thing?

And this, after he EXTENDED the ban, put in place by his father.

An empty piece of politicking, that will not help us. What he needs to do, but he doesn't have the foresight to do is to make a "go to the moon" speech, where he challenges the best and the brightest in the nation to get us off oil within 15 years, instead of signing a piece of paper that MIGHT bring us more oil in 15 years.

But, I guess, to challenge the best and the brightest, you have to be bright yourself, and this president certainly isn't that.

So, maybe the author of said thread is happy, but it isn't about to bring down his gas prices at the pump, either. A worthless gesture.

How quickly they forget...........


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9239 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1298 times:



Quoting Platypus (Reply 13):
Obama has no plan. Oh, yes he does! He says check your tire pressure and tune up your car.

wow, too bad that's what every auto expert person in the world keeps saying for the average consumer to help curb their immediate cost of fuel since they can't ultimately control the price set by big oil.

this was in a campaign speech a few months ago.


but good job just taking snippets out of it out of context for your own continued propaganda.
*clap*



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User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1294 times:



Quoting STLGph (Reply 17):
wow, too bad that's what every auto expert person in the world keeps saying for the average consumer to help curb their immediate cost of fuel since they can't ultimately control the price set by big oil.

True, but in this clip he seems to be saying that if motorists would do that then we would save as much oil as what could be brought up by drilling and that is just not true. BTW, I hope if you are doing any on the air reporting of political news involving either Sen. Obama or Sen. McCain that you are prefacing your supposedly neutral reporting with your bias towards Sen. Obama.



User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1291 times:



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 18):
BTW, I hope if you are doing any on the air reporting of political news involving either Sen. Obama or Sen. McCain that you are prefacing your supposedly neutral reporting with your bias towards Sen. Obama.

Surely you can't be suggesting that the American media would let any left-wing bias into their reporting of the news???? Shocking!!!  eyepopping   laughing 



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1282 times:



Quoting Platypus (Reply 13):
He says check your tire pressure and tune up your car.

Well that would have more effect and certainly more quickly than any offshore drilling. And just how is O'bama (the well known Irish contrarian) to persuade CA to drill offshore from Santa B?


User currently offlineAirStairs From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1278 times:
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Flip-flopping is only dangerous when it comes to political expediency; otherwise it probably shows a degree of adaptability to changing circumstances which is absolutely necessary.

With that said, I think this specific issue is already too old, drilling should have been done decades ago if at all. Those fields will take years to develop and I doubt any of that oil would come to market by the time Messrs McCain or Obama left office after a second term. It is a pointless change in policy that is not going to help the "common man" without a job when GM goes bankrupt next year.


User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1277 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 20):
And just how is O'bama (the well known Irish contrarian) to persuade CA to drill offshore from Santa B?

That's putting the cart before the horse... First, Congress (of which Obama is a member) must lift the ban... He can't lift the ban as President if he's elected, because Bush already removed that impediment to drilling.

The point is, Obama changes his position on issues like most people change their socks...



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User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1275 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 20):
And just how is O'bama (the well known Irish contrarian) to persuade CA to drill offshore from Santa B?

Probably the same way the federal government decided that Yosemite, Sequoia, and Death Valley should all become federalized land in the form of parks. If you notice, the latest bill deals with the east coast and not the west, perhaps Commissar...ooops..Speaker Pelosi can adapt her "save the planet" remark to "save the west coast"?


User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1843 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1253 times:




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