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I've Changed My Position On Slavery Reparations...  
User currently offlineFlyBoeing From United States of America, joined May 2000, 866 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1381 times:

Slavery's influence has been disproportionate to people of African descent in the U.S. The central tenet that they were taken against their will and forced to work. Many U.S firms made a lot of money off slave labor. Lincoln promised all the freed slaves 40 acres and a mule which they never got.

There are, of course, logical difficulties with this argument, most notably with the fact that there is not one living former slave in the U.S, that any civil claims would have expired under a statute of limitations, that many Americans born since the Civil Rights era and the end of the Civil War (plus immigrants) bear no responbility for any claims to damages, and, finally, that it's extremely difficult to quantify the damage done under any coherent tort system.

However, let's say that reparations are in order. I say that if you have a claim against any entity of "unjust enrichment" you cannot be part of that entity. African Americans suing the entire United States - Government, Society, Economy, Culture, and every institution - in some sort of "World Civil Court" for unique immediately identify themselves as a seperate party distinct from all of those mentioned in the suit.

If this is true, then the cohesion of the United States remains the same after reparations as it was before. This is because logically every African American who accepts any reparation for such an expansive crime as kidnapping from a native land and historical discrimination loses their claim to being part of the United States. America wouldn't be a land of people who had any claims against the culture, anyone who wasn't satisfied with the status quo because all those who weren't satisfied would not be a part of that society.

Here's my final reparations plan:

1) Give the reparations of whatever the African Americans ask for - which is something like $1.6 trillion -with the caveat that everyone who gets reparations MUST seperate from the United States within six months or reapply for citizenship in the U.S or any other country.

2) After twelve months of adjustment time, deport everyone who's left in the U.S and hasn't gained citizenship in another country to historic ports of departure for slaves in West Africa.

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User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3077 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1345 times:




 Wow!


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1341 times:

You're a strange strange person. Glad you're not a politician.

User currently offlineAviatsiya.ru From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1328 times:

2) After twelve months of adjustment time, deport everyone who's left in the U.S and hasn't gained citizenship in another country to historic ports of departure for slaves in West Africa.

Would this also include all of the "whites" in America? This would finally give the various indigenous peoples of America some peace of mind in that the whites would have to actually ask to settle on the land. Yeah?


User currently offlineFlyBoeing From United States of America, joined May 2000, 866 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

Ah yes- it's my fault. In (2), "everyone" refers to every African American who's taken reparations covered in (1) but hasn't found a place to go.



User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1308 times:

Was slavery wrong? Absolutely. Should the US make reparations? No way!

The first problem is that the people that the reparations would be made to are long gone! What good are reparations to a dead man? I do not feel reparations should be made to modern blacks for the simple reason that they have never been slaves! And the general public of America should not be required to pay reparations for the simple reason that they have never owned slaves.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16367 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1283 times:

The average African-American is actually 22% white anyway. How do you separate that out? What is an African-American anyway? Over 25% of American 'whites' have some black blood. How do you distinguish them out?

African tribal leaders were complicit in the slave trade also. Should they pay?

What about wealthy American blacks and mulattos that 'owned' slaves themselves? Should they pay? While also being paid?

Reparations...a pandora's box.

Ironically, the world's wealthiest blacks are American blacks. Already. Sans reparations.








Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1244 times:

Yes and whites who complain about reverse racism should be deported too. Is it racist to post a picture that pokes fun at blacks for no reason? It fun to make fun of people you know nothing about isnt it?


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineFlyBoeing From United States of America, joined May 2000, 866 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1241 times:

It is indeed hilarious to make fun of political movements. I find it to be the hallmark of the liberal to claim "racism" at every turn rather than confronting problems with solutions that don't somehow involve massive government payouts.

Mentioning "reverse racism", most of those who claim "reverse racism" do NOT make claims for historical damages and instead work together with the system to make things more equitable for the future, instead of damning all of history and setting themselves up as victims.

All I'm saying is that the "victim" is completely distinct from the "aggressor", and if African Americans choose to draw a line between them then they should be stripped of their relationship with the aggressor.

I bet when most potential claimants of reparations were confronted with that logical corollary, they'd lose their ardor for "victim" status.


User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1223 times:

Yes and racist like you should be expelled also.I like that idea.

And I quote from the above mentioned rules: "No hostile language or criticizing of others." If you have something to say to N400QX, try to base it on something other than name-calling.



User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16367 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1204 times:

Well said Normalspeed. The term 'racist' is hurled about alot on this forum.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineN400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1193 times:

Thanks NormalSpeed, and, yes, the term 'racist,' I have noticed, is used to describe non-racists way too much here while it seems it isn't used to describe true racists. Oh well.

Oh and surprise, surprise, my posts have been deleted. What's new?


User currently offlineFlyBoeing From United States of America, joined May 2000, 866 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1190 times:

I can't believe nobody even addressed the central point of my hypothesis - that those who accept slavery reparations should renounce their U.S citizenship as well.

People who view the world through limited perspectives are very annoying to associate with. People started climbing all over me for my "racism", ignoring the logical meat of my discussion.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1161 times:

FlyBoeing,

That's what Liberals do.

I kinda like your idea.

Charles


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