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Mercury Division To Be "invigorated" With New Cars  
User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5903 times:

The Mercury division of Ford Motor Company, once rumored to be discontinued after the 2009 model year to join Oldsmobile and Plymouth in the junkyard of car brands, apparently will live on to fight another day. According to an Motor Trend online article dated July 28, 2008 "Late last week, FoMoCo announced it would have product for Mercury, including a new small car in 2010."

This just so happens to coincide with Ford's announcement that it will build the European Ford Mondeo in North America beginning in 2010. The Mondeo is slightly smaller than the current Mercury Milan (a near identical twin of the Fusion). Ford has also announced that an all-new American-designed Ford Taurus will be sold in 2010 (which has recently been seen undergoing proving ground testing thanks to the auto spy photogs), but Ford apparently hasn't said a thing about a 2010 Sable. Therefore, the U.S. automotive press has shifted into rumor overdrive with speculation that the 2010 new Mercury will actually be a Mercury-badged version the current Mondeo.

2008 Ford Mondeo


In other Mercury new model news, Motor Trend is reporting that another "new Mercury should be a version of the Ford Kuga", a European Focus-based crossover -and another vehicle that Ford President Alan Mulally has promised to bring to North America in press interviews. The next-generation Ford Escape is likely to be accompanied by new Lincoln version, not a new Mercury Mountaineer. The Mercury-badged Kuga would fill the Mountaineer's spot in the Mercury model line-up.

2008 Ford Kuga crossover


Another European model that could possibly be rebadged as a 2011 Mercury Villager is the European Ford C-Max, a smaller but tall wagon-ish people mover. Mulally has also stated that this model will be sold in North America in the near future.

2008 Ford C-Max


It clearly seems that Ford is applying GM's Saturn's strategy of selling slightly modified European models (in Saturn's case, using Opel) to rapidly revive its Lincoln-Mercury division. I have to wonder if the rear-drive Australian Ford Falcon sedan will appear finally in North America as a much-needed replacement for the Mercury Grand Marquis or as a belated replacement for the Lincoln LS sedan (in XR6 Turbo format).

So, is revitalizing Mercury as Ford's version of Saturn - utilizing GM's model strategy - really a good idea? Will the European Ford "kinetic" influenced styling work with the more conservative tastes of North American buyers? Your thoughts please, fellow motorheads?   

http://blogs.motortrend.com/6272342/...ng-about-mercurykind-of/index.html

[Edited 2008-08-03 18:56:31]

[Edited 2008-08-03 19:04:16]


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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5879 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
2008 Ford Mondeo

Very nice!

Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
008 Ford Kuga crossover

Not a fan of the grill, but otherwise a nice offer.

Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
2008 Ford C-Max

Seems pretty basic, but at the same time, decent.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8930 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5867 times:

I don't follow the auto industry closely, but how much cannibalization goes on with Ford and GM owning so many brands with similar products? Does it make sense?

Any insider opinion?



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User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2371 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5859 times:

They just need to let it die already.

User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5852 times:

Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 3):
They just need to let it die already.

I know it will never happen, but I really want Ford to give Mercury its own version of the Mustang - a sport/luxury model with unique sheetmetal, sequential tail lights and the 340 horsepower EcoBoost twin-turbo V6 motor - and then call it the Cougar XR7   

[Edited 2008-08-03 20:07:37]


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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 959 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5826 times:

Just had a look at the Mercury website - what a dire range!!! of course the Grand Marquis is the biggest joke (isn't it a rebadged Crown Victoria and dying in the near future - what an ugly museum piece).

Surely the euro cars can only improve the brand, if it is to be retained. The Mondeo is actually quite a large car, which disguises its size well.

If only Ford Oz had engineered the Falcon for LHD - nice styling, decent build quality, rear drive, standard 260hp engine, good handling....

Kent


User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2371 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5824 times:



Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 5):
Just had a look at the Mercury website - what a dire range!!! of course the Grand Marquis is the biggest joke (isn't it a rebadged Crown Victoria and dying in the near future - what an ugly museum piece).

'dems fightin words to SuperFly. He's waiting for a Grand Marquis Estate Wagon with wood paneling.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5816 times:

Sort of sounds like they're bringing back the Merkur concept...


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User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5815 times:

Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 6):
dems fightin words to SuperFly. He's waiting for a Grand Marquis Estate Wagon with wood paneling.

LOL. I'm sure Fly wants a Mercury Grand Marquis "Colony Park" wagon - Estate Wagons were Buicks
     

[Edited 2008-08-03 20:51:12]


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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 959 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5805 times:



Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 6):
Grand Marquis Estate Wagon with wood paneling

And 20" rims, surely?  Smile

I don't resile from my comment re. the Grand Marquis, no matter what d' Fly says!

Kent


User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5795 times:



Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 5):
If only Ford Oz had engineered the Falcon for LHD - nice styling, decent build quality, rear drive, standard 260hp engine, good handling....

Damn, we'll have a long wait for the next iteration of the Falcon to handle the left hand drive. Why would Ford design the current model to NOT be LHD if requested. That's a really big mistake on Ford planning and management's part.

Oh well, maybe Ford will give Mercury this concept sedan as the new Mercury Marauder instead.  yes 

Big version: Width: 500 Height: 315 File size: 45kb
Ford Interceptor sport sedan (concept)



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User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5781 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
selling slightly modified European models

Good idea!



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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 959 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5762 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 10):
Why would Ford design the current model to NOT be LHD if requested. That's a really big mistake on Ford planning and management's part.

Yep, there's been a lot of talk that this will be the death of the Falcon with the current generation. Plus they're switching to an imported V6 in 2010 (currently Oz made inline 6)

Both Holden (GM) and Toyota Oz export around half of their large car production, with much to LHD countries (Middle East, China (big Buick is a Holden) and the Pontiac G8 from Holden to the US.

Ford exports the Falcon to New Zealand....


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7507 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5718 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
The next-generation Ford Escape is likely to be accompanied by new Lincoln version, not a new Mercury Mountaineer.

I think you mean the Mercury Mariner. The Mountaineer's is Mercury's version of the Explorer; the Lincoln version, the Aviator bit the dust a few years ago.

Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
2011 Mercury Villager is the European Ford C-Max,

 vomit Didn't Mercury learn its lesson from the last Villager (a rebadged Nissan Quest) it put out?

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 5):
Just had a look at the Mercury website - what a dire range!!! of course the Grand Marquis is the biggest joke (isn't it a rebadged Crown Victoria and dying in the near future - what an ugly museum piece).

Say what you will, but the Grand Marquis' been Mercury's main reason for the brand's existence. Now with the Crown Vic restricted to fleet sales (mainly taxi & police); the Grand Marquis has no real competitor. Sorry, but the Chrysler 300 and Dodge Charger are a little too narrow for 5 to 6 passengers.

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 10):
Oh well, maybe Ford will give Mercury this concept sedan as the new Mercury Marauder instead.

Sadly, that concept vehicle may not get production approval thanks to high gas prices and the upcoming increase in CAFE standards.



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User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5387 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5707 times:



Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 3):
They just need to let it die already.

The biggest problem that Ford has with that is the Lincoln brand dealers. The Lincoln brand can't be paired with Ford for various reasons but they also can't survive on just the Lincoln business, they need the second "lower luxury" brand of Mercury to bring in enough customers and sales.

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 10):
Oh well, maybe Ford will give Mercury this concept sedan as the new Mercury Marauder instead.

That would be a sweet idea and very smart. It would finally give Mercury a unique identity vehicle. Of course Mercury's bigger siblings (Ford and Lincoln) always take anything that is halfway nice so I doubt it'll get what it needs anytime soon.

Being the middle child can suck sometimes.

Tugg



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5683 times:

I for one am pleased to see Ford and GM finally bringing some of their great European models over to our shores. I just hope that they don't tone them down like Ford did with the Focus.

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 4):
but I really want Ford to give Mercury its own version of the Mustang - a sport/luxury model with unique sheetmetal, sequential tail lights and the 340 horsepower EcoBoost twin-turbo V6 motor - and then call it the Cougar XR7

Seeing that Ford already tried and failed at this with the Mecury Capri in the 80s, I hope they just leave the Mustang alone. If they want to bring back the Cougar, I'm all for it, but leave the Mustang out of the equation. It's bad enough seeing the Pony emblem on the 4.6L V8 in other cars that Ford put it in such as Rover.



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User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5667 times:



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 13):
I think you mean the Mercury Mariner. The Mountaineer's is Mercury's version of the Explorer; the Lincoln version, the Aviator bit the dust a few years ago.

You're correct - too many "M" names in the Mercury line-up - and too many "F" names in the Ford line-up, come to think of it  Wink



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User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5654 times:



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 15):
Seeing that Ford already tried and failed at this with the Mecury Capri in the 80s

The Mercury Capri was far from a failure - the Fox-platform Capri (shared with the Mustang) remained in production for seven years (1979 to 1986), approximately 360,000 Capris were made, and the car received numerous engineering and styling updates during those years.  yes 

Source: http://foureyedpride.com/content/view/22/38/



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8374 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5644 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 17):
the Fox-platform Capri (shared with the Mustang) remained in production for seven years (1979 to 1986), approximately 360,000 Capris were made,

Yeah, but the later Australian built Capri



..,. wasn't all that.


This was a nice little car though:



1999-2002 Mercury Cougar V6


User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 959 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5640 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 18):
Yeah, but the later Australian built Capri

Australian walks away hanging head in shame at that POS - interestingly, it was intended as an MX5/Miata competitor, but took too long to develop, didn't go (apart from the turbo), didn't handle and fell apart....


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 36
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5622 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 17):
The Mercury Capri was far from a failure - the Fox-platform Capri (shared with the Mustang) remained in production for seven years (1979 to 1986), approximately 360,000 Capri's were made, and the car received numerous engineering and styling updates during those years.

Seeing that Ford sold more Mustangs in 1979 alone then they sold total number of Capri's, and given the short 7 year run (compared to Mustang's close to 45 year run), the Capri was not a big seller and I consider it a lame attempt at taking a great car (the Mustang) and simply adding slight cosmetic changes to it. If you look at your source and compare the production numbers between the Mustang and Capri, I'm sure you'll come to the conclusion that the Mustang is the car the buyers want, not just because of the iconic name, but also because they don't want fake convertible tops ...  Wink

Mustang - 1
Capri - 0

:D



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39667 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5613 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 8):
Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 6):
dems fightin words to SuperFly. He's waiting for a Grand Marquis Estate Wagon with wood paneling.

LOL. I'm sure Fly wants a Mercury Grand Marquis "Colony Park" wagon - Estate Wagons were Buicks

HELL YES!  bigthumbsup 

Glad to see Mercury might stick around after all, even though it won't be the Mercury I want to see.



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User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2371 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5607 times:



Quoting Tugger (Reply 14):
The biggest problem that Ford has with that is the Lincoln brand dealers. The Lincoln brand can't be paired with Ford for various reasons but they also can't survive on just the Lincoln business, they need the second "lower luxury" brand of Mercury to bring in enough customers and sales.

Lincoln is "lower luxury." They are not a tier 1 luxury brand like BMW or Mercedes. Customers graduating from the Ford lineup can progress to the Lincoln product line. Much like Honda does with Acura, Toyota with Lexus, etc.

That's the problem with the Big Three. There's no brand identity for customers to place their loyalty. Walk into a Honda showroom and talk to a customer trading out of an Accord. Chances are they purchased a Civic, upgraded to the Accord and now that they have a family are going home with a Pilot or an Odyssey. When they come back in 5 years, the Accord won't have changed names three times.


User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5587 times:

Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 22):
Lincoln is "lower luxury." They are not a tier 1 luxury brand like BMW or Mercedes

Exactly - Lincoln is no longer a competitor to Cadillac. Lincoln is a competitor to Chrysler and Buick and Acura.

In the brand strategy that Ford utilized in the 1990's under the leadership of dim-witted Ford CEO Jac Nasser, Lincoln was branded as Ford's entry-level luxury brand. Volvo and Jaguar were the mid to upper level luxury brands, and Aston-Martin and Land Rover were the specialty premium brands. In fact, Lincoln leadership stated to the press in those days that the Lincoln brand would not be "foolishly chasing Cadillac" upmarket. Cadillac has obviously won the bet that they could be successful in the upper luxury marketplace, and now Lincoln is no longer class-competitive with Cadillac. In fact, they are now completely marginalized in the entry level luxury marketplace. The Lincoln MKS isn't enough of a step upward given its Volvo S80 platform is also shared with the current Taurus and Sable family sedans and wagon.

Lincoln needs an out of the ballpark hit - along the lines of the stunning 1961 Lincoln Continental. Mercury needs to generate enough volume to support the survival of the Lincoln-Mercury dealerships. Otherwise, both Lincoln and Mercury may be joining Studebaker, Desoto, Oldsmobile, et al brands in the junkyard in the near future.

Lincoln Continental sports sedan concept


[Edited 2008-08-04 21:37:24]

[Edited 2008-08-04 21:46:38]


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User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2371 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5580 times:

The Lincoln marquee will survive. It has way more cache than the Mercury nameplate. They need a product for the rappers to drive in music videos. That's what Cadillac did and look at them now. Lincoln had their chance a few years ago with the Navigator, but the success never trickled through the lineup.

25 Flighty : StasisLAX, I always thought that Lincoln Continental revival circa 2002 was just the ticket. It is "fly" and yet serious. The fact they didn't build t
26 Superfly : I really hate to see what has happened to Lincoln in recent years. I was really hoping they had went forward with the 2004 Continental concept sedan.
27 Flighty : LOL. The Town Car doesn't just resemble a 1970s car, it actually IS a 1970s car. Probably why you like it. I got nothing against RWD traditional luxu
28 Aerobalance : What's your definition of a modern chassis?
29 Post contains images StasisLAX : In Ford's case, it would be the current rear wheel drive Ford Falcon full-sized sedan from Oz. In Ford Australia senior management's infinite wisdom,
30 Cadet57 : Idk, 'Fly, I love the ride in the DTS more. But both are still very nice cars. Dear god, that is amazing. Maybe a few years from now when little ol m
31 ABQ747 : It's not meant to be a replacement for the Town Car. I think it was Motor Trend that reported that Ford is working on a new full-size, V8 rear-wheel
32 Post contains links and images Cadet57 : Wasn't it supposed to be the rumored Ford Interceptor concept?
33 Superfly : No need to. That is too small. It maybe full-sized by Aussie standards, but not for the American market. The fact that the DTS is a front drive car i
34 Post contains links and images Flighty : These 2 cars have the same chassis: 1979 Ford LTD 2008 Lincoln Town Car !!!!
35 Tugger : Well the 747 has been around for how long now? And old chassis is not that big a deal. It's how it is built today and how it has been refined over th
36 Cadet57 : Exactly, I cant put pallbearers and flowers in it . Sorry, It's really the way I look at full size cars now...
37 Post contains images StasisLAX : OK, you're right Fly. It's true that the Falcon might be just a little too small to be called full-sized for us "big boned" Americans. Maybe Ford of
38 Superfly : Everyone knows that. Your point? The 2008 Town Car gets the best gas milage than any other full-sized luxury sedan on the market. The BMW 7-series an
39 ACDC8 : Hard to believe, but the Fox Body chassis that the SN-95 Mustangs were built on up to 2004 is pretty much the same chassis that the old Zephyr and Fa
40 PHLBOS : If it's the Motor Trend article I'm thinking of, the one that came out several months ago showing the Interceptor concept vehicle on the cover; a few
41 Cadet57 : I know, but from my persepective if im looking at a car that will be used in that manner I need to know it can perform the duties I need it to. Nope,
42 Flight152 : The Town Car also has the performance of a V6 Camry. The base 7-Series and S-Class (US) both are shy of 400 hoursepower.
43 Cadet57 : The S-clas and 7 series are two totally different cars then the TC. Considering the age and driving habits of most town car owners, They dont need or
44 JJJ : Which were sold in Europe rebadged as Fords
45 PHLBOS : IIRC, both those models ALSO have Gas Guzzler taxes added to their sticker prices for the last 2 decades. That issue alone is the main reason WHY Lin
46 Superfly : WOW! Well I'll be darned. I learn something new everyday. How come none of the eco-freaks complains and sabotage these BMW & Mercedes gas-guzzlers? T
47 Post contains images StasisLAX : The 4.6 liter V8 in the 2008 Town Car only makes only 239 horsepower and is EPA rated for the 2008 model year at a lousy 15mpg city and 22mpg highway
48 Post contains links PHLBOS : Out of curiousity, other than the Cadillac DTS, just what CAR has equal or greater more interior room than a Town Car at a similar price range; espec
49 JJJ : Carbon footprint is relative to a place, imports in the US will generally have worse carbon footprints than other models made in the Americas. And no
50 PHLBOS : So you're saying that the same exact car (regardless of make) can have a different carbon footprints in different regions/countries? In another count
51 StasisLAX : [quote=PHLBOS,reply=50]Have you checked the curb weights and mileage figures of Bentleys, Rolls Royces & Maybachs lately? They're a lot more heavier a
52 Post contains links JJJ : Exactly. The carbon footprint takes into account transportation emissions. So a Town Car in Dubai will have a higher footprint than in their native U
53 Superfly : So only the filthy rich should be allowed to buy these kind of cars? So??????????? JJJ: Yes, he was talking about the split-bench seat design which i
54 Cadet57 : Im 21 and on the hunt for a decent (and cheap) 'Vic or a Grand Marquis, easier said then done, even now.
55 PHLBOS : I bought my '97 Crown Vic NEW at the ripe old age of 31; which I still have to this day. 'Fly, I think you menat to say center-console shift. Justin,
56 Cadet57 : Well, what drove me nuts is my grandparents had a 99 GS that had 58k that they decided to trade in. Granted they bought an '08 GS so atleast they got
57 Superfly : I may own a Mercury Grand Marquis sooner than I thought. I may buy one within the next 6 months. It MUST be black with electronic speedometer and blac
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