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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_c...n/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

For the first time McCain takes the lead over Obama. Granted the lead is statistically insignificant, the change from a couple of weeks ago is significant.

Get ready for 4 more years of whinning from the left. What does it say about liberalism if the Democrats and their Messiah can't unseat a 71 year-old? OMGoodness. Let the games begin.

Seems JCS17 was on to something.

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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6574 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2147 times:
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Funny how people say "Polls can be manipulated to say anything you want" to discredit polls- unless of course.. it says what YOU want it to say..

[Edited 2008-08-04 09:30:35]


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User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2137 times:



Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
For the first time McCain takes the lead over Obama. Granted the lead is statistically insignificant, the change from a couple of weeks ago is significant.

Get ready for 4 more years of whinning from the left. What does it say about liberalism if the Democrats and their Messiah can't unseat a 71 year-old? OMGoodness. Let the games begin.

It's WAY too soon to make a judgment on who will be the winner..That said, it is funny the Press appointed "Messiah" (CHANGE! Yes We Can!) is struggling to keep with "McSame" a guy who has run one of the most disorganized campaigns in a long time.

The public is starting to ask questions and the Messiah's over-reaction to the Celebrity Ad and playing the Race Card did not do him any good..

His pathetic flip flops on drilling and now opening up the Strategic Oil Reserve (Completely Ineffective and stupid considering it is meant for a NATIONAL emergency) are ill-timed considering oil is BELOW $120 a barrel...


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2129 times:



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 2):
pathetic flip flops on

That is it, I have flipped! Not flip flopped, but flipped.

Can both parties PLEASE take a self imposed ban on the term flip flop
OR
explain why changing your mind is not a good idea?

Keynes phrase was:
"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"

If you have a good explanation of why you should ignore facts, go ahead with flip flops, otherwise for heavens sake it is the worst of school yard yobbishness. Sorry but it is. Popular in the US, but really you leave the rest of the world wondering what you do in relation to facts.


User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2117 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 3):
Can both parties PLEASE take a self imposed ban on the term flip flop
OR
explain why changing your mind is not a good idea?

It's a bad idea when it happens in response to public opinion polls and not any real thought. Mr. Obama is the worst I've seen yet...It's shameless pandering just like his newfound opposition to abortion under certain circumstances.

Until Last Wednesday he was steadfast against ALL offshore drilling and any attempt at "energy gimmicks." On Friday he realized this issue was hurting him in the polls and changed his mind and now is rolling out a slew of gimmicks that will make things worse.


Hypocrisy?

McCain changed his opposition too but right when the price of gasoline went over $4, on the pretext that "Well we have to do something" so the public accepted it as logical and not shameless pandering.


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3524 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2100 times:



Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
What does it say about liberalism if the Democrats and their Messiah can't unseat a 71 year-old?

It's a little too early to be asking that question since we're still 3 months from the actual election, but if it indeed happens then there are many questions to be asked.

Suffice it to say, John McCain has run a far-from stellar campaign so far. The same can be said about Barack, but McCain has had many more foolish/eye-rolling moments (as opposed to Obama's up-to-this-point heavy reliance on fluff-speak).

We shall see how the next few months pan out.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2095 times:

Rasmussen also still shows Mr. Obama comfortably ahead in the Electoral vote.

Wonder if we have a repeat of '00, and Mr. Obama wins, how much crying the righties will do this time. I mean, turnabout is fair play, isn't it?


User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2082 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
Rasmussen also still shows Mr. Obama comfortably ahead in the Electoral vote.

according to Real Clear Politics, he has a whopping 1 point lead over McCain in those states..not exactly comfortable.

This race is anyone's for the taking.


User currently offlineGreggarious From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

If I hear the words "change" or "hope" uttered by the campaign again, I will throw up.
THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN NEEDS SUBSTANCE!!!   

[Edited 2008-08-04 10:42:52]

User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6574 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2060 times:
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Quoting Greggarious (Reply 8):
If I hear the words "change" or "hope" uttered by the campaign again, I will throw up.
THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN NEEDS SUBSTANCE!!

Are you suggesting they need to "change"..  chuckle .

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 4):
It's a bad idea when it happens in response to public opinion polls and not any real thought.

Well - first we are in Iraq for "100 years".. now "16 months"...



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User currently offlineGreggarious From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2056 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 9):
Are you suggesting they need to "change"..

Ha ha ha, damn you!  Big grin But to answer your question... yes.

I spent the summer working on the Obama campaign, actually. It's amazing how my feelings on Barack differ before and after my time with him. His stance against a free trade agreement with Colombia, his love for ethanol, this recent switch to support offshore drilling, and perhaps most egregiously, his support for the FISA amendments bill, have been pieces of a spiral from being pro-Obama to now being anti-McCain.

Screw politics!


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2045 times:



Quoting Planespotting (Reply 5):
It's a little too early to be asking that question since we're still 3 months from the actual election, but if it indeed happens then there are many questions to be asked.

Absolutely. 3 months is a ton of time. Remember, three months before the 2004 election, Anybody but Bush had a 15 pt lead over GWB.

But however you measure it, it's clear the race has tightened and BO's momentum is slowing. Of course the convention will put a halt to the slide in the polls so I expect two weeks after the GOP convention (the later of the two) we'll have a race that's a dead heat.

Finally, unless BO is 3% to 5% pts ahead come the eve of election day, I predict that he'll lose. This may be the proverbial tortoise and the hare.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2035 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 3):
Can both parties PLEASE take a self imposed ban on the term flip flop OR explain why changing your mind is not a good idea?

If you have a good explanation of why you should ignore facts, go ahead with flip flops, otherwise for heavens sake it is the worst of school yard yobbishness. Sorry but it is. Popular in the US, but really you leave the rest of the world wondering what you do in relation to facts.

I have no problem with a politician changing their position if the circumstances surrounding an issue change substantially.

But when a politician votes back-and-forth in a contradictory manner of the course of just a few months, it doesn't reflect serious deliberation. It shows a spineless worm who is posturing to public opinion polls. Politicians deserve to be called-out when they do that.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11214 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2023 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 3):
Can both parties PLEASE take a self imposed ban on the term flip flop
OR
explain why changing your mind is not a good idea?

SERIOUSLY!!

I mean, we've had "stay the course" for 8 years, and look what it got us. Running for office does not mean stating a couple policy points, then sticking your head in the sand.

You Republicans like to say things like "listen to the people on the ground" when you criticize Obama, but if someone does listen to the people on the ground when the ground changes, you castigate it as a flip flop. Like, you'd rather him run the ship into the iceberg. Idiotic.

Look people, you can't criticize someone for having a different opinion from you, yell at him to convince him that he's wrong, then continue to criticize him when he sees it your way. Utter nonsense.

As Schwartzenegger said, "flip flopping is getting a bad rap."



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User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2021 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 9):
Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 4):
It's a bad idea when it happens in response to public opinion polls and not any real thought.

Well - first we are in Iraq for "100 years".. now "16 months"...

He never really said that. He was commenting on getting US troops out of the line of fire and brought our long term stays in Japan, South Korea, and Germany in that example.

He said in his own words:

"But I have also said that any draw-downs must be based on a realistic assessment of conditions on the ground, not on an artificial timetable crafted for domestic political reasons. This is the crux of my disagreement with Sen. Obama."

Source:http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2008/072008/07292008/397202/index_html?page=2

He said he didn't care if it was 16 months or one year, but it has to make sense.

Obama and the DNC got elected to Congress on the premise the troops would be out by now. Lo and behold, the surge was effective and they have nothing to show for it.

It's pure politics. It's not like McCain hasn't flip flopped, but he's shown more integrity (especially on the Iraq issue) than Mr. Obama has. What risks have Senator Obama taken? What unpopular positions has he taken?

Repeating the words "change" and "hope" isn't much. McCain has at least attempted to DO something on Iraq, campaign finance reform, the Boeing tanker lease deal, and wait, his son is a Marine who served in Iraq!

His energy plan makes far more sense than Obama's "Pump up your tire pressure" BS. So Obama finally saw the opinion polls and changed his mind suddenly last Friday even after whining on Wednesday that offshore drilling was a gimmick.

People aren't dumb, even the Press is calling it a flip flop. The US Public isn't buying it as the polls have shown. The Messiah, ought to have a 20 point lead by now, but he doesn't.

The independents are still sitting this one out, and they will decide this election.

My sense is the Obama love affair is starting to wane and he's committed some major gaffes with his "Dr. No" energy policy and trying to hit McCain with the Race Card. Obama has no plan other than his false empty platitudes.

Google Deval Patrick and you'll see it's a rehash of his campaign.

So now Obama is taking a page from Jimmy Carter's playbook with the Windfall Tax, despite it's abject failure last time around. Since when do capitalist countries single out an industry for a 8% Gross Margin? What's next? Taxing Microsoft, Apple, Boeing?

The guy has zero economic sense period.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11214 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2019 times:



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 4):
Until Last Wednesday he was steadfast against ALL offshore drilling

He's still against it. But since you've thrown it down, please point at the time at which he drew a line in the sand and said that he was unwilling to compromise about this.

For that matter, please point out where he has said he is unwilling to compromise about anything at all. Until then, you have a lot of explaining to do when you criticize him for changing his position, ESPECIALLY when he changes his position to align with yours.

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 5):
as opposed to Obama's up-to-this-point heavy reliance on fluff-speak

News for you: McCain is fluff-speak too, perhaps moreso than Obama.



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User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1996 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 15):

He's still against it. But since you've thrown it down, please point at the time at which he drew a line in the sand and said that he was unwilling to compromise about this.

He's voted against it since 2006.

Obama's OWN Senate Website From 2006
http://obama.senate.gov/news/060802-senate_oks_gulf/

We're opposed to this bill," said Sierra Club spokeswoman Annie Strickler. She said better automobile mileage, as proposed in a bill co-sponsored by Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), would yield greater energy independence at less cost to the environment.

Obama voted against the bill and said the Republican leadership was being "dishonest" by believing the nation's energy problem could be solved with more drilling.

Up until LAST WEDNESDAY:

Obama calls offshore drilling a 'scheme':

"The oil companies are shoving this thing down the throats of Congress, because they know everybody wants to try to pretend they're doing something about the energy crisis,” Obama said. “This is not real. I know it's tempting. The polls say its one of the ways that a majority of Americans think we're going to solve this problem, but it's not real."

"I understand how desperate folks are. If I thought that I could provide you some immediate relief on gas by drilling off the shores of California and New Jersey… I'd do it.”


Source: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-calls-offshore-drilling-a-scheme/


So explain, why the sudden change of heart in just two days? Why call it a "scheme" and call it "not real"? Sounds like Blanket Opposition to me.

Even the LA Times thinks so:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/obama-drilling.html

And some more sources for you:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...ml?source=RSSattr=Politics_4312874


Obama is pressed on the issue repeatedly on the campaign trail, but he refuses to budge, preferring to take pains to spell out his reasons.

Please be in favor of offshore production," Steve Hilton, a retired federal government worker in Lebanon, Mo., implored Obama during a tour of a diner there Wednesday.

"I'm in favor of solving problems," Obama responded. "What I don't want to do is say something because it sounds good politically."


It's shameless pandering, and the Obama Apologists are going to have a hard time explaining this one.


User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4315 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1998 times:



Quoting Pope (Reply 11):
But however you measure it, it's clear the race has tightened and BO's momentum is slowing. Of course the convention will put a halt to the slide in the polls so I expect two weeks after the GOP convention (the later of the two) we'll have a race that's a dead heat.

Finally, unless BO is 3% to 5% pts ahead come the eve of election day, I predict that he'll lose. This may be the proverbial tortoise and the hare.

Barrack Hussein Obama is going to have to have more than a 3% - 5% net lead in polls come election day if he is to win the election given that the Wilder Affect no doubt skews some of the poll numbers.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 12):
But when a politician votes back-and-forth in a contradictory manner of the course of just a few months, it doesn't reflect serious deliberation. It shows a spineless worm who is posturing to public opinion polls. Politicians deserve to be called-out when they do that.

 checkmark 

It also says a lot when a politician's overall positions change from being the most liberal in the Senate to suddenly acquiring a taste for moderate ideals. I wonder what has changed in the past year on the political landscape or global stage to make Barrack Hussein Obama suddenly embrace positions that previously were anathema to his core beliefs and political ideology?



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User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1992 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 15):
Until then, you have a lot of explaining to do when you criticize him for changing his position, ESPECIALLY when he changes his position to align with yours.

He's pandering pure and simple, it's not an honest change of position at all. The man has shown no character in actually staking his ground in something he believes in.

I've already shown in my last post the hypocrisy he's displayed on drilling. He has zero character and revises his positions constantly according to public opinion polls.

You can spin it like you do all of Obama's gaffes. The press is calling him out on this one.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1983 times:



Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
For the first time McCain takes the lead over Obama.

Apparently the Gallup Poll taken during the same time span disagrees with Rasmussen:

PRINCETON, NJ -- Registered voters show a slight preference for Barack Obama (46%) over John McCain (43%) if the presidential election were held today, according to the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking results.


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3524 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1979 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 15):

News for you: McCain is fluff-speak too, perhaps moreso than Obama.

Oh yeah - McCain has a lot more problems than FluffSpeak - I was just naming what I perceive as Obama's main weakness. But McCain can get away with more of it.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6584 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

I had high hopes for this election season, but sadly things have deteriorated. The appeal of both candidates has been significantly diminished. Some of that is due to the traditional political campaign grind and some is due to both candidates being exposed as being far weaker than one might think.

McCain used to be a respectable politician (a rare item in DC) who stood up for what he believed in. Now, he's just a shell of that man. His campaign flails around wildly with no message, no goals and no plans. If the way McCain runs a campaign is any indication of how he would run the White House, we are in trouble. It's pretty embarassing that a man with substantial military experience has such poor leadership.

Obama was a refreshing candidate who seemed on the verge of offering something new. But he too has derailed himself with too many gimmicks and too few real ideas. He seems to have lost any real message and allowed himself to be drowned in a game of fingerpointing. His lack of experience is really starting to show and it is hurting him.

Despite all that, I will say that whomever wins will still be a better president than our current one.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11214 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1962 times:



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 16):
He's voted against it since 2006.

I'll ask the question again. Please point to me where he has drawn a line in the sand and said he was unwilling to compromise. Your post in no way answers the question except your conclusory statement, which are your words, not his.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 16):
So explain, why the sudden change of heart in just two days?

It's not a change of heart. He said he's still against it, but it bending on that is required to get an overarching energy policy that works, he's willing to compromise.

Compromise - it's a word that Americans may have to get used to again. It is the antithesis of the Rove 51% plan we've seen in the last 8 years.

As for Pope, I wouldn't be so quick to declare McCain the winner. From the article:

"Rasmussen Markets data gives Obama a 60.0% chance of winning the White House."



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11214 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1963 times:



Quoting Planespotting (Reply 20):
I was just naming what I perceive as Obama's main weakness.

I don't think it's a weakness. Americans by and large do not want to hear details. Details are boring as shit. They want overarching ideas, and it has been shown that the more cerebral a candidate is, the more "out of touch" he is portrayed. (Because the media thinks Americans are as dumb as they are.)



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1938 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 22):
As for Pope, I wouldn't be so quick to declare McCain the winner. From the article:

Where did I declare McCain the winner? Take a look a my Reply 11.


25 Falcon84 : Again, let's start seeing what the polls say after both conventions are over-about the 2nd week of September, we should have an idea where this race i
26 Greggarious : I think you're giving too much credit to the media and not enough to the American public here. I've gotten the impression this summer (and I'm not ju
27 DfwRevolution : That's not a card you want to play. McCain has more legislative accomplishments in his little finger than Barry has managed during his entire career.
28 Post contains links RJdxer : Where was John Kerry at this time in the election cycle during the last Presidential race? http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/polls/index.html W
29 AirCop : Behind about 6 points, per the graph that you posted.
30 Post contains links AirCop : Alert: Check out this weeks Newsweek dated 8/11/08.. http://www.newsweek.com/id/150477/page/1 No matter what side you're on, there is some truth to th
31 Flighty : The polls have always shown that McCain is headed for victory. People just often mis-read polls to believe Obama is winning. In reality, Obama has not
32 Jetstar : Obama will need more like 10 or more points alone just to overcome the Bradley effect, white democrats who swear they will vote for Obama, but vote f
33 Flighty : I agree for the same reasoning you describe. McCain is likely to take Florida and even Minnesota. Especially if Minnesota's gov is the VP for McCain,
34 Baroque : I should have pointed out that my flipping was not a specific reaction to you Sv - although the chances of reacting to you would be higher because I
35 AirStairs : We are in Iraq until the mission is satisfactorily completed (that determination is simply up to the military, don't ask me to provide it) WITH the c
36 D L X : And which people on the ground did McCain study before coming to his conclusions on gas taxes, drilling, etc.? Bullshit. There are extremely few issu
37 RJdxer : Yep, just ask Jim Jones, David Koresh, or any other number of cults and religions. Just because you can sell people into following you doesn't mean y
38 D L X : Apparently, it is also true that just because you have been in the Senate for nearly 30 years doesn't mean you have a clue as to which is the best wa
39 RJdxer : Except being in the Senate for 30 years provides a lengthy public record of leadership. Being in the Senate for 3 provides little. Hillary Clinton wa
40 D L X : You just said that it isn't leadership that matters. are you flip flopping? And in what way has McCain served as a leader? He has certainly been medi
41 AirCop : Who has been in the Senate for thirty years? Being a Senator doesn't imply leadership, could a person could very well be a back bencher.. Apparently
42 Mt99 : Yup. Why do you think that the Iraq War was so popular in the beginning? Who was selling? Who was buying? (Im looking at certain President and at cer
43 Post contains links RJdxer : I did? Where? You said all a leader needs is followers and I provided some examples of poor leaders who were good salesmen. I don't particularly care
44 D L X : " target=_blank>http://mccain.senate.gov/public/inde...ments So... he's led the Commerce, Science, and Transportation committee and the Indian Affair
45 Waterpolodan : Does it make you feel better to remind us all of his middle name?
46 RJdxer : I didn't say that, you did. If someone is a committee chair, they lead that committee no matter how you want to dissect it. They set the agenda for t
47 AirStairs : I'm not speaking of specific issues, rather of platforms (philosophic and realist), policy analysis acumen and general knowledgeability that comes fr
48 RedFlyer : It doesn't make me feel better, but does it bother you to be reminded of his middle name?
49 Waterpolodan : No, but you wouldn't go through the effort of typing it if you weren't trying to make some point. Do you do the same for McCain? Nope. Why do it for
50 RJdxer : And that has what to do with what? Are you saying Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are leaders? If so they failed more miserably than a certain President
51 Flighty : Nobody failed that much since the beginning of time, IMO. You're confusing "failure" with war crimes, extra-judicial killings, obstruction of justice
52 FlyingClrs727 : Republican presidential candidates normally are beind in the summer of presidential elcetion years. Back in 1984 Mondale was leading by double digits.
53 RJdxer : True, because you don't have any facts to back it up with.
54 RedFlyer : Do you whine about this issue when people refer to his one-time Democratic rival as Hillary Rodham Clinton? What about 4 years ago when plenty of peo
55 D L X : But his name isn't Henry, and you aren't saying it just 'cuz. You probably didn't even know McCain's middle name without looking it up. I bet you don
56 AirStairs : Even if you assume that those unproven allegations are true, he would pale in comparison to many of his contemporaries and most powerful leaders of h
57 RedFlyer : And his middle name is Hussein and it irks you when someone deliberately mentions it. I did know John Spencer McCain, but I had to look up Hillary Ro
58 Waterpolodan : Of course we wouldn't be up in arms if his name was Henry, and it does have something to do with the fact that his name is muslim. I personally would
59 RedFlyer : So what you're admitting is that it does irk you when his middle name is mentioned because you're worried all of the ignorant sloths in this country
60 Waterpolodan : What's interesting is how you're skewing my words. How again am I trying to hide his heritage? By not using his middle name all the time? Ok, guess w
61 RedFlyer : If what you say is true and you really believe it then you shouldn't say anything at all when someone mentions his middle name of Hussein because it
62 D L X : Because he's Christian, you know that he is Christian, but you are trying to appeal to the bigoted section of society. I tell you what: when I see co
63 Flighty : You're right, I should have said that differently. I think Bush's team has a lot of utter criminals on it. But the world has seen worse. As ever, the
64 RedFlyer : I know he's a Christian. What does that have to do with the fact that his father was a Muslim or that his middle name is Hussein? We're talking about
65 Post contains links D L X : Please. Don't play babe in the woods. Spare us. I note that you called him "John McCain" before you were called out on this thread: http://www.airlin
66 Waterpolodan : You may be right in that people like me know why your sort use the middle name, and the people that would be swayed by such tactics probably wouldn't
67 RedFlyer : You're absolutely right! That's why, starting several posts up, I started to use and henceforth I will always use McCain's middle name in addition to
68 Waterpolodan : I'm not afraid of people being reminded of his heritage or name itself, it's just the word association with people who have no knowledge of what his
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