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Some Really Do Still Think The Earth Is Flat!  
User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13253 posts, RR: 77
Posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

The term, there's one born every minute comes to mind;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7540427.stm

(Clearly I was hoaxing myself when I saw the Earth was curved, several times, courtesy of the much missed Supersonic Airliner, from 11 miles up).

In actual fact, this motley bunch, (who lack the excuse of no access to education in some primitive tribe somewhere), are no different, at all, from the rest.
Including the 'Intelligent Design/Creationists', through the 'Apollo was hoaxed' to the '9/11 was an inside job'.
Or even in fact, the most lethal conspiracy theory of all, 'The Worldwide Jewish Conspiracy.'
Subscribe to one, you are the same, really, as those who who subscribe to any or all of the above and all the rest, including those who believe in a certain film by Oliver Stone about the death of a US President.

[Edited 2008-08-04 13:06:03]

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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

I'd simply like an explanation of how GPS manages to work if the earth is actually flat.

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13253 posts, RR: 77
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2213 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
I'd simply like an explanation of how GPS manages to work if the earth is actually flat.

Ah, you see, the makers of GPS are of course, in on this vast conspiracy too!


User currently offlineSkywatch From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 923 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

I would love to sit down with one of these odd-balls and ask them questions like:

Why do hurricanes rotate counter-clockwise?

How do seasons occur?

Why does it stay dark during one-half of the year at the south pole, and light for half a year at the north pole during the same period? (and vice versa) Oh wait....the poles are a conspiracy too. I would have to re-word it for them!

What's on the other side of your flat world?

Please explain gravity.

If you can look in a telescope and see that the other planets are obviously round, why is the Earth flat?

How do you calculate your distance from the visible horizon?

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Oh man, that would be a fun discussion!

---Skywatch



------Forever Watchin' The Sky------
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9545 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

I think this is a particularly telling part of the article:

And what about the fact that no one has ever fallen off the edge of our supposedly disc-shaped world?

Mr McIntyre laughs. "This is perhaps one of the most commonly asked questions," he says. "A cursory examination of a flat earth map fairly well explains the reason - the North Pole is central, and Antarctica comprises the entire circumference of the Earth. Circumnavigation is a case of travelling in a very broad circle across the surface of the Earth."


So, Mr. McIntyre, how is it possible to step over the South Pole and continue walking? Let me guess... all those civilians who claim they've done it are part of the conspiracy, too.  banghead 

"The space agencies of the world are involved in an international conspiracy to dupe the public for vast profit," says Mr McIntyre.

 confused  How do they profit from that?


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13253 posts, RR: 77
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2153 times:

I love the way they think that agencies, that were in the past, part of opposing powers, like the US and Soviet ones, co-operated so well!
(The 'Moon hoaxer' twats leave out that some Apollo samples were sent to the USSR for comparison with the few grammes they got from unmanned sample return missions. Yes the ones who lost the Moon Race, did not say a word about these 'fakes'.
This assumes though that they even know samples (nearly 800lbs of them), were brought back by Apollo, which had more missions than just Apollo 11).


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11955 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Of course it's flat... all the maps are, and therefore the evidence is there. Case closed.

Signed



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2105 times:



Quoting David L (Reply 4):

Surely if the earth was flat, this would not be the shortest route between SYD and CPT, but obviously the airlines participate in this conspiracy by flying south out of Sydney to Cape Town rather than north. If the earth was flat, the shortest route would be to fly north and come back south just as airlines between the US and Europe do.



Man, at the price of airline fuel, you think the airlines would say "screw the conspiracy" and just take the shortest route.  scratchchin  Or are they paid by the space agencies to fly the long routes and keep the conspiracy going?

Quoting GDB (Thread starter):
(Clearly I was hoaxing myself when I saw the Earth was curved, several times, courtesy of the much missed Supersonic Airliner, from 11 miles up).

You don't even have to get that high - you can see it from 40,000 feet if you look close enough.


*sigh* Guess it takes all kinds of loonies to make the world go round.


User currently offlineHairYbus From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2091 times:

Well, In Kansas ..........  Big grin

User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2077 times:



Quoting Skywatch (Reply 3):
Please explain gravity.

The Flat Earth Society also maintains that the Earth is accelerating upward at a rate of 9.8 m/s², thereby simulating gravity. This upward momentum is caused by a form of dark energy.

Sounds plausible.  Silly

More "explanations" here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society



I support the right to arm bears
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9545 posts, RR: 42
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2052 times:



Quoting NoUFO (Reply 9):
The Flat Earth Society also maintains that the Earth is accelerating upward at a rate of 9.8 m/s², thereby simulating gravity. This upward momentum is caused by a form of dark energy.

Dark energy? That's ludicrous. Everyone knows it's turtles all the way down...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down


User currently offlineN867DA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

I am a flat-earther and I am sick and tired of all this mocking. If you guys want to be deluded into thinking the world is round because a bunch of scientists with more education than 10 of us combined think so, more power to you. But when I look out my bedroom window, you know what I see? FLAT land. There's no way it can just curve all of a sudden, you morons...it's not a magic trick.

I'm very sad to see that so many people can be conned so easily. A round earth...honestly!



A nation turns its lonely eyes to you
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9545 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2011 times:



Quoting N867DA (Reply 11):
But when I look out my bedroom window, you know what I see? FLAT land. There's no way it can just curve all of a sudden, you morons...it's not a magic trick.

 biggrin  I suppose there are some living at the bottom of a valley who see the earth curving upwards and believe we live inside a hollow sphere.  Smile


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20362 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1979 times:

God, it sounds like the anti-evolution people and the anti-global warming people.

"It's all a conspiracy!"


User currently offlineAircraftGeek From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1904 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
"It's all a conspiracy!"

You forgot to add something, I guess.



User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1891 times:



Quoting NoUFO (Reply 9):
The Flat Earth Society also maintains that the Earth is accelerating upward at a rate of 9.8 m/s², thereby simulating gravity. This upward momentum is caused by a form of dark energy.

Sounds plausible. Silly

Wait.... if we've been accelerating at 9.8 m/s² all these years (pick a start date, let's say the beginning of recoded history, something like 6,000 years ago) how fast would be going by now?

Also, sooner or later we'll achieve the speed of light (it'll be interesting to see if Einstein's theories were right)!

Tugg



I don’t know that I am unafraid to be myself, but it is hard to be somebody else. -W. Shatner
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20362 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1881 times:



Quoting Tugger (Reply 15):
Wait.... if we've been accelerating at 9.8 m/s² all these years (pick a start date, let's say the beginning of recoded history, something like 6,000 years ago) how fast would be going by now?

Also, sooner or later we'll achieve the speed of light (it'll be interesting to see if Einstein's theories were right)!

Well, no because you can continue to accelerate at 9.8 m/s2 (how did you get the 2 up there???) all you like and you will simply approach the speed of light. Because of effects of time dilation and other relativistic effects, you can proceed at any acceleration forever without ever hitting c.

The problem is that once you are going fast enough, the tiny little gas and dust particles that make up the "vacuum" start to become significant and the rarified interstellar medium starts to turn into a howling gale.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9272 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1831 times:

SHeesh, I wonder if these goofballs are the same ones who labor under the delusion that the Moon Landing on 20 July 1969 was fake...

If the world is flat, then how is it possible that someone flew a hot air balloon, one direction from one location and arrived in that same direction -- it's called circumnavigation. The world is round, the lunar landing(s) were real, get with the program like the rest of us already...



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20362 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1804 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 17):
If the world is flat, then how is it possible that someone flew a hot air balloon, one direction from one location and arrived in that same direction -- it's called circumnavigation. The world is round, the lunar landing(s) were real, get with the program like the rest of us already...

There's an answer for that. Apparently as you get near the edge of the earth, powerful magnetic fields divert anything and everything (including, somehow, uncharged air molecules?) into a circle providing the illusion of...er...sphereicity? sphericalness? Ah! Sphereculism! Big grin

I kid you not; I have heard such arguments.

Oh, are you a Christian Fundamentalist? Do you believe that the Bible is to be taken literally? Well in Relvelations (7:1)

Quote:
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

There it is. The Bible says that there are four corners to the Earth. Quite literally. In order for an object to have four corners, it could either be flat object, which would have 8 corners in the strict mathematical sense (because it would probably be a rather flat rectangular prism with a defined thickness, like a cutting board), but the use of "four corners" is also appropriate to the only meaningful part of it, which is the two-dimensional upper surface.

Or it would imply that the earth is tetrahedral. Which would be really friggin' cool, actually...

So if you consider yourself a true Fundamentalist, figure out how to join the Flat Earth Society.

Ah, I love science.  Big grin

BTW, in college, I paid some US$10 and joined the Flat Earth Society. I just had to; the irony of it was irresistible and my $10 weren't going to do any manage. I still have the membership card. Yes, folks. I am extremely proud to tell all of you that I am a Life Member of the Flat Earth Society.  goldmedal  Some time ago, I stopped getting communication from them, though. *shrug*  rotfl 


User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1799 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
sphereicity? sphericalness? Ah! Sphereculism!

That's just a spherism by a spherist who is out trying to sow sphere everywhere.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
Some time ago, I stopped getting communication from them, though. *shrug* rotfl

Perhaps their records show you have gone over the edge.

Tugg



I don’t know that I am unafraid to be myself, but it is hard to be somebody else. -W. Shatner
User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3848 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1753 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
There's an answer for that. Apparently as you get near the edge of the earth, powerful magnetic fields divert anything and everything (including, somehow, uncharged air molecules?)

Well, that would explain all this turbulence when flying across the Pacific. It's just the magnetic field repelling the aircraft towards the other side where the North American west coast starts...

My God, it's all becoming clear now!

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
BTW, in college, I paid some US$10 and joined the Flat Earth Society. I just had to; the irony of it was irresistible and my $10 weren't going to do any manage. I still have the membership card. Yes, folks. I am extremely proud to tell all of you that I am a Life Member of the Flat Earth Society. Some time ago, I stopped getting communication from them, though. *shrug*

You disrespectful infidel! You have switched to the dark side! How dare you make a mockery of the truth! If our grand master finds you, you will be pushed off the side of the Earth!



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1745 times:

You know what? I know they're insane (and this is coming from someone who's interested in and more prone to believe in conspiracy theories), but it is actually extremely fascinating to read those Wiki articles describing their rationale for the flat Earth theory.


Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1694 times:



Quoting GDB (Reply 2):
Ah, you see, the makers of GPS are of course, in on this vast conspiracy too!

Sure... but then how do they make the actual GPS nagivation systems actually work in practice? Is every buyer of a semi-recent car in on the conspiracy as well...?  mischievous 


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20362 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1585 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
Sure... but then how do they make the actual GPS nagivation systems actually work in practice? Is every buyer of a semi-recent car in on the conspiracy as well...?   

SHHHH!!!!!  shhh 


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6544 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1540 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
...but then how do they make the actual GPS navigation systems actually work in practice?

VOR stations, lighthouses and all such things work in our flat world. Why shouldn't GPS work as well?

Once upon a time I also believed my geography teacher who told us that the world was round. Then I visited Texas. Clearly farmer Joe Smith's hay stack was the only deviation from the perfectly flat world.

The rumor telling that the world is round is a vast exaggeration, just like the rumor of my passing.

Kind regards, Elvis the King



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
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