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President Musharraf Of Pakistan Retires..  
User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1694 times:

...just announced five minutes ago,after a one hour speech on Pakistani TV,he decided to retire from his position, advancing an impeachment process launched against him some weeks ago..
What now Pakistan ????

[Edited 2008-08-18 01:44:05]


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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2798 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

Here is a link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7567451.stm

User currently offlineYOWza From Nepal, joined Jul 2005, 4887 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

I'm up at this ungodly hour getting ready to head off to SAN and saw his resignation live on BBC World. There's something not quite right about how all of this is unfolding, but then again there is so little transparency in Pakistani politics that this uneasiness is almost natural. I wonder who's going to take the post and what stance they will take with the US, UK and Gulf States.

YOWza



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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2798 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1683 times:



Quoting YOWza (Reply 2):
take the post and what stance they will take with the US, UK and Gulf States.

Given that Musharraf was "pro-US" I am thinking that whoever takes his spot will be the opposite from him.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

Interesting to Know the truth on the Betrayl of Kargil.
Vajpayee & Nawaz Sharief would be keen to know.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1640 times:



Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
What now Pakistan ????

While the west will mourn, Pakistani's will celebrate. The only concern is that there is no good leader on this horizon unless new elections are held. The sun will dawn on Pakistan with one less scum as a politician. Hope he is held to account for what he did, but then those who could make that happen themselves have a lot to answer.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 4):

Geez Mel bhai, enough with your obsession.


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1639 times:

I just read that he is considering to go to exil in Saudi-Arabia.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26972 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

I just hope whoever takes his place can bring some sort of peace and stability to Pakistan.

User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1621 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 3):
Given that Musharraf was "pro-US" I am thinking that whoever takes his spot will be the opposite from him.

Given that most Pakistanis are anti US at present as much as they are anti terrorists, maybe a more useful way forward might emerge - always assuming the US will keep its fingers out of the pudding while it is being cooked.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1610 times:



Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 5):
Geez Mel bhai, enough with your obsession.

Javed bhai....its an obsession of 1.13 billion Indians regards to Kargil a few Pakistani's with regards to the mistreatment of Democracy in pakistan... wink 

Quoting OA260 (Reply 7):

I just hope whoever takes his place can bring some sort of peace and stability to Pakistan.

I Wonder who this person is.

Also rumoured that Mushy might move to Saudia Arabia.....The wheel has turned a full circle.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1597 times:

So can we assume the "father of the Islamic bomb" - Nawaz Sharif -will become the next ruler of Pakistan ?
He might be a much less willing ally of the West and pursue Pakistan's interests with less considerations to the American and European concerns.
I don't know his detailed political program,but what are his thoughts about the tribal area conflicts between Paschtuns and Military ,ISI control,further development of ICBM technology ,relations with India..
Would be great to have some Pakistani a.net member get us some update



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User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1596 times:



Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 5):
The only concern is that there is no good leader on this horizon unless new elections are held. The sun will dawn on Pakistan with one less scum as a politician. Hope he is held to account for what he did, but then those who could make that happen themselves have a lot to answer.

The problem Pakistan faces is the same even India or America faces, one less scumbag in a pool full of them. Is Nawaz Sharif any better?

I don't know much about Musharaff, but I was under the impression the Pakistani economy was doing well under him.

Quoting Elite (Reply 3):
Quoting YOWza (Reply 2):
take the post and what stance they will take with the US, UK and Gulf States.

Given that Musharraf was "pro-US" I am thinking that whoever takes his spot will be the opposite from him.

I have to imagine this is true, but how much of that will be rhetoric? The US and Pakistan have had strong relations for sometime now. I doubt that will really change, but I suspect on a superficial level things might change, but both Pakistan and the US profit from their relationship.


User currently offlineYOWza From Nepal, joined Jul 2005, 4887 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1574 times:



Quoting OHLHD (Reply 6):
I just read that he is considering to go to exil in Saudi-Arabia.

He wouldn't be the first and likely won't be the last  Smile

Quoting OA260 (Reply 7):
I just hope whoever takes his place can bring some sort of peace and stability to Pakistan.

I hope so too but the outlook does not appear great.

To tell you the truth what worries me the most is the fact that Musharraf's replacement in all likelihood will not be a (ex)military type. Without that respect from the armed forces you never know what some of the military brass might get up to. That sort of dissarray is scary at the best of times but given Pakistan's nuclear capacity that downright scares the shit out of me.

Better the evil you know than the evil you don't know.

YOWza



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User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1573 times:

Nawaz Sharif will not be the next eader of Pakistan by any means infact if anything he second in line to Mr Zardari who is the widower of Benazir and running her party as well. For those of you who don't know his history I suggest reading him up, he is also getting ready to run for president. God help my country through this!


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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1568 times:



Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 5):
the west will mourn

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Hardly. General Musharraf was not so immensely popular in the West, and detested by many. The West mourned about Mrs Bhutto, but will not do so in regard to General Musharraf.
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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 9):
regards to Kargil

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I suppose you here refer to the Jammu&Kashmir matter in which General Musharraf played some role (s) ?

Quoting YOWza (Reply 12):
what worries me the most is the fact that Musharraf's replacement in all likelihood will not be a (ex)military type. Without that respect from the armed forces you never know what some of the military brass might get up to. That sort of dissarray is scary at the best of times but given Pakistan's nuclear capacity that downright scares the shit out of me.

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Changes of government figures, President or Prime Minister, did happen and will happen. If a non-military person becomes president, this person will have to live with the possibility that one of the generals might decide to "save the nation". But all this is not a reason to be too much scared.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1541 times:



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 14):
I suppose you here refer to the Jammu&Kashmir matter in which General Musharraf played some role (s) ?

Kargil
Nawaz sharief was peacemaking in Lahore with Vajpaee,while Mushy was sending disguised troops into kargil & the Indian PM had to tell the Pakistani Pm about it.  Smile

Unless the Army lets democracy function in pakistan,there will be another coup soon.And the politicians need to clean the system too & work for their country & not themselves.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26972 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1507 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 15):
Unless the Army lets democracy function in pakistan,there will be another coup soon.And the politicians need to clean the system too & work for their country & not themselves.

True I agree with you there .  checkmark   checkmark 


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1500 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 15):
the politicians need to clean the system too & work for their country & not themselves.

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Might be nice if they did do so !


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6321 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1488 times:

I had the pleasure of meeting the interim Pakistani president, Muhammad Soomro, when he was lecturing at the University of Kansas about 3 years ago. Very, very smart individual who I think has a great opportunity to put Pakistan on a good track. I know he is only interim, but I certainly was impressed with him.

I wish the Pakistani people the best!


User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1470 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 9):
Javed bhai....its an obsession of 1.13 billion Indians regards to Kargil

All 1.3 billion on the wrong side of the border to matter.  Smile

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 10):
So can we assume the "father of the Islamic bomb" - Nawaz Sharif

In correct, he is not the father of the 'Islamic bomb'. BTW I don't understand there was never a Godless or Communist bomb, never a Christian, Jewish or a Hindu bomb (from time long before Pakistan ever set out to get one), but the world was scared of the Islamic bomb. The hypocrisy is pretty old.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 11):
The problem Pakistan faces is the same even India or America faces, one less scumbag in a pool full of them.

Yup! Only much more exaggerated.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 11):
Is Nawaz Sharif any better?

Absolutely not. Now gotta get rid of others.  Smile

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 11):
I don't know much about Musharaff, but I was under the impression the Pakistani economy was doing well under him.

That is actually true. Pakistan has made a lot of progress under him, but I believe and most Pakistanis don't doubt that Pakistan could have done a lot better, and that Musharraf was a cap on the potential rather than a stimulus for it. I don't believe in supporting his with what he was only because 'everyone is bad but Pakistan is doing good' when Pakistan ought to have been doing better.

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 13):
Nawaz Sharif will not be the next eader of Pakistan by any means infact if anything he second in line to Mr Zardari who is the widower of Benazir and running her party as well. For those of you who don't know his history I suggest reading him up, he is also getting ready to run for president. God help my country through this!

May Allah have mercy on Pakistan, not a lot of people are a fan of Sharif either but Zardari is the night even his own party dreads, let alone the entire country. I hope somehow both can be sidelined for good. But what is the chance of that right now? I'd hate to have the subsequent events to make me say; It wouldn't have been this bad under Musharraf. But then again, I think Pakistanis deserve a chance to make things better, hopefully we'll make the right choice.

BTW I get furious over the western obsession with Benazir, all those countries where people think she was a great leader could have had her, it would have been better for both her and Pakistan (not so much for that country Wink ).

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 14):
Hardly. General Musharraf was not so immensely popular in the West, and detested by many. The West mourned about Mrs Bhutto, but will not do so in regard to General Musharraf.

Well I see your point but the fact is that they thought he was their best bet to control Pakistan, that was in itself enough of a reason for the people of Pakistan to throw his out. The west will never learn. I am in a way proud of how things turned out to be, people globally don't understand the status quo was unsustainable in Pakistan. This is a peaceful end to the stagnation, the other although could have totally changed the political landscape (Pakistan can use that) could been bloody and who knows what would have come out of it.

So still a whole lot of junk in Pakistan to clean, I hope Musharraf is brought to justice but understand that those who can make it happen have probably more to answer, but then again I'd never underestimate Pakistan. May Pakistan prosper... Aameen!!


User currently offlineVictrola From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 514 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1454 times:



Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 19):
In correct, he is not the father of the 'Islamic bomb'. BTW I don't understand there was never a Godless or Communist bomb, never a Christian, Jewish or a Hindu bomb (from time long before Pakistan ever set out to get one), but the world was scared of the Islamic bomb. The hypocrisy is pretty old.

Unlike the above mentioned countries, Pakistan has been very reckless by sharing its nuclear secrets with all sorts of unsavory creatures like North Korea. The country is hopelessly unstable, and it has an intelligence service with extensive ties to the Taliban. Unlike Communists, Christians, Jews, and Hindus, Islam has produced a legion of suicide bombers. Sooner or later one of those bombers will be nuclear with the probable aid of Pakistan.


User currently offlineUnattendedBag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1443 times:



Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
President Musharraf Of Pakistan Retires..



Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
he decided to retire from his position,

Im pretty sure he resigned, not retired.

There is a BIG difference!



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1400 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 16):
True I agree with you there .

Finally We agreed on Something  Smile

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 19):
All 1.3 billion on the wrong side of the border to matter.

Thats the right side of the border,javed bhai,the wrong side is further north  wink 

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 19):
I hope Musharraf is brought to justice but understand that those who can make it happen have probably more to answer

The Parliment needs to be strengthened.No Individual should have sweeping powers.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1397 times:

Interesting that this thread is so much shorter than the Georgia-Russia-Missile Defense ones.... I would think these developments may prove to become a much larger danger to world peace than Russia currently is...

but maybe people just became so accustomed to see Russia as the No.1 enemy in the last 50 years that they still stuck in this kind of thinking...?



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1395 times:



Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 23):



Interesting that this thread is so much shorter than the Georgia-Russia-Missile Defense ones

I feel it depends on the number of posters & from the countries they represent.
On Anet,majority are posters from America/Europe.so the knowledge of other topics may not be present or of interest to them.
Similiar at local forums,these are big topics,but most common US issues will never get hits.
regds
MEL



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25 Baroque : Depressing but you are probably right. If only - meaning if there was no Iraq and the US was properly focused on Afghanistan. Although you could argu
26 ME AVN FAN : - > THEY thought ... THEIR best bet to control ? who is "they" ?? certainly not the West, as the West never thought to have any control. In case you
27 Flighty : She was crap. I see Musharraf as a genuine hero and patriot. He did everything he could for his country. At great personal sacrifice. He also showed
28 HAWK21M : The pro Taliban elements in the ISI & how much support the Army gives to the Democratic process is the Key. As for India,A stable democratic neighbou
29 LTU932 : I don't think the West will mourn the way you may be thinking. While certain aspects of his presidency have been overlooked by Western leaders, some
30 ME AVN FAN : The gentleman of course HAD his qualities and most certainly WAS a patriot, but he was NOT a hero. Benazir Bhutto was neither foolish nor dangerous,
31 HAWK21M : I don't think any of Pakistans future PM would allow this. He played a balancing act for 9 yrs,but could not pull it off. regds MEL
32 Baroque : I thought we had it on good advice that OBL was in Londonistan or Paristan??
33 HAWK21M : Rumoured strongly to be in NWFP/POK/Karachi. regds MEL
34 Baroque : I know, but MAF has opined he would be in Europe for logistical reasons - and I am not saying he is wrong. Being in Pakistan would worry me - if I wa
35 Flighty : My hero comment was based solely on his conduct in the last 2 or 3 years. Nobody supported him staying in power, but he did it (sacrificing his socia
36 ME AVN FAN : I strongly believe so in case of OBL, not however necessarily in case of parts of his "apparatus" and definitely not in case of the Taliban, who quit
37 Victrola : Unfortunately Pakistan seems to just shift from hopelessly corrupt and inefficient civilian governments to unpopular military dictatorships. Unlike it
38 HAWK21M : India hopes that Stability & Democracy stays in Pakistan & gradually things will improve.Once the Armed forces follow orders from the Elected governme
39 MD11Engineer : This is^why he married Mullah Omar´s (founder of the Taliban) daughter, to have family ties with a Pashtun leader. Jan
40 Baroque : Quite, and it is also why those marriage rules are really handy in building alliances!
41 ME AVN FAN : - Helpful for sure, but in case of doubt not sufficient.
42 Baroque : Which is why I suggested way back in reply 34 that: "Pashtun loyalty is legendary, but ole OBL, he might well be too crafty to rely on legends!" If t
43 HAWK21M : Why do you say mistake.Was there a consiquence? regds MEL
44 Baroque : While he tried to micromanage everything, in practice it was beyond him to a large extent. Therefore a great deal depended on what power and control
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