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Russian Forces Took 4 Humvee's Belonging To The US  
User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3896 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4736 times:

While the Russian's exchanged prisoners of war with Georgia in one city, the Russian forces took 20 new prisoners at gunpoint and 4 Humvee's belonging to the US:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...LWfQWKrQc48pITBUg9KT_6oVwD92LGUDG0

[Edited 2008-08-19 12:50:03]

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User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1645 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4717 times:

Link doesn't work.

filler.

filler.


User currently onlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4704 times:

Not only did they take the Humvee's but they also took Georgia's best ship, towed it out, and apparently sank it!

Quote:
Russian forces blocked access to the city’s naval and commercial ports this morning and towed the missile boat Dioskuria, seen as the flagship of the Georgian navy, out of sight of observers. A loud explosion was heard minutes later.

... The Russians also took with them four Humvees that were at the port awaiting shipment back to the United States, equipment that had been used in earlier US-Georgian military exercises.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4566892.ece

Tugg



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User currently offlineDragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

Uh oh, going to reverse engineer the Humvee!


Phrogs Phorever
User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4548 times:



Quoting Tugger (Reply 2):
Russian forces blocked access to the city's naval and commercial ports this morning and towed the missile boat Dioskuria, seen as the flagship of the Georgian navy, out of sight of observers. A loud explosion was heard minutes later.

No big loss, I've seen bigger boats on Deadliest Catch!  Wink




One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineSignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3003 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4548 times:



Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 3):
Uh oh, going to reverse engineer the Humvee!

Thus making them use up their oil reserves  Wink  duck 

signol



Flights booked: none :(
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8840 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4506 times:



Quoting Signol (Reply 5):
Thus making them use up their oil reserves

Oooo... good one.

I say we break into the Sov... Russian embassy garage in Washington and take all their vehicles. See how they like it. Is their garage sovereign territory?



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4494 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
I say we break into the Sov... Russian embassy garage in Washington and take all their vehicles. See how they like it. Is their garage sovereign territory?

This brings back all the Lada jokes:

How do you make a Lada go 0-60 in 4 seconds?

A: Push it off a cliff

How do you double the value of a Lada?

A: Fill the tank with gas

Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 3):
Uh oh, going to reverse engineer the Humvee!

In 12 months we'll see a Vladimir Lenin branded Hummer from the Russian auto industry lol

Quoting Signol (Reply 5):
Thus making them use up their oil reserves Wink duck

hahahaha..That was my thought exactly..

GM must be like, "Hey if you like 'em we have a 300 day supply of them that we'd love to sell to you..Employee pricing or 0% for 72 months work for you Comrade Putin?"

I personally think Putin ought to put them on Ebay or start a Russian version of Lo-jack
"Russian bandits steal your hummer? With Russo-jack we provide 24/7 GLONASS coverage with our elite brand of Spetnaz commandos to provide instant "roadside assistance"


User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1645 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4401 times:



Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 3):
Uh oh, going to reverse engineer the Humvee!



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 7):

In 12 months we'll see a Vladimir Lenin branded Hummer from the Russian auto industry lol

They have their own "Hummer". Of course, if you lot would paid any attention to the May Day parade, you would have seen it. But as usual, self-centered americans.  stirthepot 

By the way, aren't those hummers considered "war loot", so they can take it if they want?. You know, how the US took Mi-24 and lots of other things out of Iraq and shipped them back to the US during both wars.

Anyway, Hummers are crap. I could see the Russkies reverse engineering an MRAP like a Bushmaster or something had they captured one, but a Hummer?. LOL!.

The only thing they'll probably do is improve their Armor Piercing rounds and explosives using one of the captured armored hummers.


User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4372 times:



Quoting Acheron (Reply 8):
You know, how the US took Mi-24 and lots of other things out of Iraq and shipped them back to the US during both wars.

Yes, but the Mi-24s weren't Russian property, they belonged to the Iraqi military.



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User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1645 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4349 times:



Quoting Whappeh (Reply 9):
Yes, but the Mi-24s weren't Russian property, they belonged to the Iraqi military.

And they weren't american property either, yet you took it. Besides, blame the Georgians for running away instead of protecting US assets.


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4338 times:

Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 3):
Uh oh, going to reverse engineer the Humvee!

yes indeed, the Humveeski.

bnack in the day my shop supervisor had been a rep for GE in Asia....Ariana owned one DC10 and one spare CF6....which was one of the first things the Soviets grabbed when they invaded Afghanistan.

Quoting Acheron (Reply 8):
Anyway, Hummers are crap. I could see the Russkies reverse engineering an MRAP like a Bushmaster or something had they captured one, but a Hummer?. LOL!.

Ordinarily I'd agree with you but it looks like that's exactly what they did. "Ugh! Americanski crap! Must be better than Rosshian crap! Reverse engineer!"

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...hummer%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX

[Edited 2008-08-20 14:23:24]

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26954 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4335 times:



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 4):
No big loss, I've seen bigger boats on Deadliest Catch! Wink

 rotfl   rotfl  LOL....


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3769 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 weeks ago) and read 4299 times:



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 11):
Ariana owned one DC10 and one spare CF6....which was one of the first things the Soviets grabbed when they invaded Afghanistan.

I can just see a Russian soldier ushering three drunk TU-154 pilots into the cockpit:

"Go ahead, it's basically the same as what you usually drive, just a little bigger!"

Cheers
Mats



Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1645 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 11):
Ordinarily I'd agree with you but it looks like that's exactly what they did. "Ugh! Americanski crap! Must be better than Rosshian crap! Reverse engineer!"

Meh, there are shitloads of hummer-like vehicles around, including west european ones so who cares?. At least the russkies will probably make it a little less crappy. Big grin

Heck, and the european version looks waaaaay more like a Hummer copy than the Russian one you posted. 


[Edited 2008-08-20 16:00:40]

User currently offlineVictrola From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 513 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4264 times:

Given current gas prices,I am sure that there are many Americans who would not mind having their Humvees stolen at this time. At least they would get some money from their insurance. It beats trying to sell one of the things now.

User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4220 times:

Don't know where you got the picture Acheron but if you look in the background up a little you'll see a sign that says "gas gas mo"....which is prescient indeed.

Comparing the Vamtac to the Humvee, it looks like the Vamtac is overweight and underpowered. Seems like the idea has a lot of imitators.

Quoting Acheron (Reply 14):
Meh, there are shitloads of hummer-like vehicles around, including west european ones so who cares?. At least the russkies will probably make it a little less crappy.

Why do you think it's such a bad vehicle? Have you ever owned one or driven one? Do you serve in the military?

Does your military use them? I mean, your military has an imitation Hummer so someone out your way must like the idea. It's interesting that the Tiuna is powered by General Motors.


Maybe you and I better defer to the GIs in this forum, correct?


User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1645 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4193 times:



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 16):
Don't know where you got the picture Acheron but if you look in the background up a little you'll see a sign that says "gas gas mo"....which is prescient indeed.

How so?.
As far as I know, the Vamtac is spanish.
Unless you meant something else that flew over my head.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 16):
Why do you think it's such a bad vehicle? Have you ever owned one or driven one? Do you serve in the military?

Driven one and spent some time in the military, yes. Though I was mostly making fun of the succesor, the H2, and also stiring the pot of those that were going to say the russkies where going to copy it, which gets tiresome after a while.

I'm pretty sure they have more important things to use their money on, like getting as many bombers as possible back online, rather than copying a 2.5 tons vehicle they could have gotten in the comercial market anyway. If anything, I can see them using the only armored version they have to improve their AP rounds, and thats about.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 16):
I mean, your military has an imitation Hummer so someone out your way must like the idea. It's interesting that the Tiuna is powered by General Motors.

Looks like one, but the chasis its different and smaller. The chasis for the AM General Hummer is actually manufactured down here(or at least one of the manufacturers) so we got plenty of chances to test it and was deemed unsuitable for twhat was wanted.
And the reason for using mexican-made GM and Ford engines has more to do with logistics rather than anything else.
Its cheaper and easier to maintain since you don't have to keep a specialized stock of spare parts nor mechanics. Particularly useful if the car breaks down in the middle of nowhere and the only workshop around only works with Chevy and Ford.

Comes handy for a small and budget restricted Army like ours.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 16):
Maybe you and I better defer to the GIs in this forum, correct?

I thought you liked to argue.  Big grin


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14011 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4148 times:

Yesterday night on German TV (NDR, serious station) that the warring powers in Georgia are actively targeting journalists (Footage of Turkish journalists in their car being shot at, footage of a Dutch journalist being killed by Russian soldiers in his clearly marked car, the Georgian driver badly wounded, as occupants of other journalist cars, a female Georgian journalist being hit and wounded by a sniper while talking in front of the camera, Russian soldiers taking cameras away from journalists at gunpoint, possibly while having gotten caught while looting).

It seems that both sidesâre not interested in letting news out.

Jan


User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1645 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4099 times:



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 18):
Russian soldiers taking cameras away from journalists at gunpoint

I saw a video of a georgian soldier doing the same to whoever dared to film him. While he was at it with his gun on his hand, he didn't realize he was being filmed by someone else but when he did, oh boy, he suddenly pointed the gun at the guy and when he came to retrieve the camera, the guy started to run and then you could hear several gunshots and the movement of the camera slowed down and then lots of screaming and what seemed to be a fight.

Quite creepy.


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4059 times:



Quoting Acheron (Reply 17):
Driven one and spent some time in the military, yes. Though I was mostly making fun of the succesor, the H2, and also stiring the pot of those that were going to say the russkies where going to copy it, which gets tiresome after a while.

Fair enough, point well taken. I stand correctificated as our prez might say.

Quoting Acheron (Reply 17):
Quoting Dougloid (Reply 16):
I mean, your military has an imitation Hummer so someone out your way must like the idea. It's interesting that the Tiuna is powered by General Motors.

Looks like one, but the chasis its different and smaller. The chasis for the AM General Hummer is actually manufactured down here(or at least one of the manufacturers) so we got plenty of chances to test it and was deemed unsuitable for twhat was wanted.

Does the Tiuna have reduction gearing in the hubs like the Hummer? It's a nice idea but has had some problems. You gotta like the extra ground clearance and lighter differential sets.

http://www.arcomix.com/gerald/detailed.html


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14011 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3994 times:



Quoting Acheron (Reply 19):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 18):
Russian soldiers taking cameras away from journalists at gunpoint

I saw a video of a georgian soldier doing the same to whoever dared to film him. While he was at it with his gun on his hand, he didn't realize he was being filmed by someone else but when he did, oh boy, he suddenly pointed the gun at the guy and when he came to retrieve the camera, the guy started to run and then you could hear several gunshots and the movement of the camera slowed down and then lots of screaming and what seemed to be a fight.

Quite creepy.

Was it an older, white haired soldier in front of some kind of convoy or roadblock? It might have been the same footage, only here they said that it was a Russian. It is hard to say, since both armies essentially use the same uniforms and equipment.

Jan


User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6089 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3961 times:
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Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 21):
It is hard to say, since both armies essentially use the same uniforms and equipment.

That has to make a battle confusing.

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 4):
No big loss, I've seen bigger boats on Deadliest Catch!

There are boats on the Detroit river bigger than that.



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User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1645 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3860 times:

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 20):
Does the Tiuna have reduction gearing in the hubs like the Hummer? It's a nice idea but has had some problems. You gotta like the extra ground clearance and lighter differential sets.

I think it doesn't, but not sure. I only had a closer look with the prototypes(they even tried independent suspension which working fine for the recon vehicle but became shit under the weight and pressure of the recoiless 106mm cannon installed in others so they decided against independent suspension alltogether) and early versions, but then they have changed quite a few things since then.
I'll try to get an image of the underside, though and post it.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 21):
Was it an older, white haired soldier in front of some kind of convoy or roadblock? It might have been the same footage, only here they said that it was a Russian. It is hard to say, since both armies essentially use the same uniforms and equipment.

I don't think so. This guy seemed to have a cap and you could make out a pixelated cammo on his uniform but it indeed looked like a convoy or roadblock and he was pointing his handgun like a madman at everybody who had a camera.


Also found some this interesting picture. This russian soldier doesn't seem all that amused about the M4.


[Edited 2008-08-24 18:13:32]

User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3827 times:



Quoting Acheron (Reply 23):
I think it doesn't, but not sure. I only had a closer look with the prototypes(they even tried independent suspension which working fine for the recon vehicle but became shit under the weight and pressure of the recoiless 106mm cannon installed in others so they decided against independent suspension alltogether) and early versions, but then they have changed quite a few things since then.
I'll try to get an image of the underside, though and post it.

That would be cool. My wife works on a guard post and I tool around looking at the hardware sometimes. When you're behind one, it really makes a big ground clearance difference.


25 UH60FtRucker : The US active military does not operate "Hummers", they operate HMMWVs. A Hummer is an overpriced symbol of gross American consumerism.... or a blowj
26 Post contains images Acheron : I'm aware of the difference between the two, but calling them Hummer has become something you can't avoid because its sort of customary. My bad, thou
27 UH60FtRucker : Yeah not for long though. This place has totally gone down the tubes. What the heck happened? I am gonna have to go back and do some reading, because
28 Petertenthije : Welcome back! A.net is under new ownership now. BTW, you are now no longer allowed to say this place has gone down the tubes without giving clear exam
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