Cadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1848 posts, RR: 4 Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2413 times:
Still looking for further verification, but WPVI-TV the ABC affiliate here in Philadelphia claims that a source has told them that Biden is the pick. My dad also saw something on CNN, but I can't find anything on any news websites as of yet.
My prediction is that no one wants to be the first to really say it until word is released officially because that's what led to the whole 2000 debacle.
JCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2392 times:
First of all... Allah Akbar! Worst.... VP.... pick.... ever.
It will be Biden, Secret Service have been dispatched to his residence. Not that it really matters because Obama will lose easily on his own merit (or lack thereof), but its an atrocious pick. I get to drive all over rural North Texas on Monday and I'm already looking forward to hearing 35 years of Biden on conservative talk radio. He has so many quotes than indirectly reference an Obama presidency that it is absolute gold. I actually might've been worried about my fearless prediction (see my: "McCain will win" post) had he chosen Sibelius (who really scared me) or Clinton.
Biden brings little but experience, a lot of failure, and a whole lot of hilarious sound clips.
I wouldn't say worst ever; but he has built his whole campaign around change. How does picking a 6 term senator from a state that he already has in his pocket help him? Granted, he gets experience. But how can you defend saying a year ago that Obama is not ready to be president (Biden said that in a debate last year). And its not like Obama has done much outside of campaign since then. I would love to see the breakdown of the leading candidates time spent in Washington...doing what they were elected to do since the term began in mid-late 2007. If I had to guess; probably sub 50%; maybe worse.
I was a supporter of Clinton; but I find it very difficult for me to vote for Obama. It is not because Clinton lost; even though I thought she did get treated unfairly. It is just that he is so inexperienced on the national stage is scares me. He thinks that 1 trip showing-off in Europe and the middle east will help calm fears. My apprehension of voting for him has nothing to do with Clinton; its that he brings so little to the table besides words.
I also am frustrated by all the Obama-nation. They think that he is some great politician; but how many politicians are free and clear? Then they think there is something wrong with anyone who either liked Hillary Clinton; or who simply did not like Barack Obama. Not all of his supporters are like that, however a lot are. It demoralizes people.
I have to wonder if that is why a lot of Clinton supporters haven't jumped on the Obama bandwagon. It is not necessarily that they dislike Obama; but the fact that they were treated so badly and made to (IMHO) feel like crap for supporting Hillary Clinton by his supporters.
That is part of the reason why I have difficulty with supporting him is that his supporters have been so nasty towards people who support Clinton. I am really just worried about the Supreme Court in the next 4 years.
If Obama looses (with a good likelyhood that it will); John Paul Stevens, Clarence Thomas and Ruth Ginsburg seem to be the ones likely to retire. If Justice Stevens and Ginsburg do retire and with replacements appointed by McCain....then my fear is civil liberties and personal freedoms will slowly be repealed.
I think this is the wrong choice for VP. He now has to make sure Biden can keep quiet when need be and has to win over a HUGE voting block. He hasn't been able to do that, and I am afraid he won't be able to
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Vctony From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 460 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2299 times:
Quoting Tsaord (Reply 5):
P.S. I'm not moved by this choice. But it is his choice!
I love how the Democrats constantly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Obama ran a great primary campaign but has been bumbling and stumbling ever since the primaries ended. This is probably the weakest VP candidate he could have picked (a la Gore/Liberman in 2000) and may have just cost him the election.
Obama needs to win Virginia and Florida to win the election. Biden will not help him in either.
USXguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1136 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2295 times:
In order for Obama to win this election, he needs to select a conservative Democrat... that's why Kerry / Edwards did not win.. you NEVER put 2 of the same cloth on the ticket. The idea is to appeal to the masses, not those who already support you.
I'd expect McCain to get a conservative VP... McCain is already about as liberal as a republican as you can get, so he'll be able to pick up the moderates better than Obama.. its the right wing base that isn't so sure of him.
FlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2253 times:
THANK GOD IT'S NOT CLINTON!!!!!!
Since he didn't pick Clinton, I am suprised he picked a VP candidate from an already solid blue state - Deleware. I thought he would have chosen a candidate from one of the potential swing states, especially a red swing state from 2004 such as Ohio, to give themselves a better chance at turning the map.
The next couple months shall be interesting (as they usually are).
PSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2196 times:
Hallelujah!!! YES,YES,YES,YES,YES !!!
This shows that Obama had very little choice in his VP pick, and his campaign knows that
things are not going as great as they should be.
So the candidate of change chooses someone who's been in Washington longer than his
opponant? And how are Biden's votes in regards to Iraq different than McCain's?
At least this helps Obama with winning Delaware (and Maryland) .
Quoting USXguy (Reply 8): In order for Obama to win this election, he needs to select a conservative Democrat... that's why Kerry / Edwards did not win.. you NEVER put 2 of the same cloth on the ticket. The idea is to appeal to the masses, not those who already support you.
How did that work out for Michael Dukakis?
And to everyone who signed up for the text messages...Apparently some of the cable news
channels broke the story first...But now the Obama campaign has a way to solicit you again, and
again, and again...........SUCKAZ !!!
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13470 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2110 times:
Postivies on the choice of Biden:
From a mid-atlantic state, not a mid-west state that Obama is from
Was born and raised in Scranton, PA (home of 'The Office' ) a real 'blue-coller' place
Catholic, a siginificant voting block Obama was weak with and can gain votes from,
especially in Penn., Ohio, NJ, and in Hispanic heavy areas of the USA.
Of modest wealth - perhaps more than Obama but a lot less than McCain and his probable VP choices.
Can talk and argue well, will be an agressive supporter of Obama and the Democrats.
Very experienced in the 'Beltway' - yet he didn't live in it, commuting to/from his home in Wilmington via Amtrak.
Very experienced in international issues from his many years on Senate committees.
Ethically 'clean' as far as we know, but with many years of vetting.
His first wife and a child killed and 2 other children badly injured in a car accident (drunk driver IIRC) just as he became a first time Senator. Loyal to his 2nd wife.
Has a son, a recent lawyer, who has joined the JAG in the Military and was to be serving in Iraq soon (that could change for obious reasons).
Clearly supports Obama on most key issues, especially in getting troops out of Iraq, the economy and social issues yet won't be a 'yes man' to Obama.
Won't be a 'co-President' or take on too much power - he will know his place unlike current VP Chenny.
Talks a little too much - often joked about and will be.
Has a few boo-boos, like in an earlier Presidential nom run, using a quote from a Brit
politican and not attributing it.
Is from a very small state, one dominated by a pro-corporate state government, the home of DuPont and the legal domicle of most of the Fortune 500.
Too much time in Washington DC, almost 40 years.
Catholic, may put him in a fix on key issue of Abortion
May not help a lot with conservative leaning Independent or swing voters.
I don't think Obama could have chosen anyone else from those interested who would have been as acceptable to the voters, to him and to the position. So it's on to the convention!
PSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2020 times:
Quoting SpinalTap (Reply 18): McCain is no doubt going to use this clip soon in an ad:
I've already seen this on TV this morning in a McCain ad. It was beautiful because it
showed the expression on Obama's face as Biden was responding. Priceless !!!
If I were a Hillary Clinton supporter, I would be pissed. Why? Because he picked a
Washington insider. And yes, having worked in Congress for the past 30 years puts
him as an insider regardless of he commutes to the office or not. Moreover, there is
no way that Biden will succeed Obama as President. Biden in 2016? Please! So he's
basically shutting her out. Hillary in 2016 with not having been V.P. for 8 years? At least
if she were his running mate and Obama lost, she could have made a 2nd try in 2012.
However, she still has a shot in 2012 if Obama loses in November. (hint-hint)
Seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 12606 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2012 times:
I think that is a good choice. I was hoping for Sebelius. She has very high raitings in Kansas. I don't know that much about Biden. I do know that when the Dems were still in the minority, one of the citizens of Delaware (I think) wanted him to meed the plane carrying the body of a soldier killed in Iraq. Biden asked to be there, but the Bush Administration officials said no, IIRC and he was mad and fought to go.
Obama/Biden will be much better than the rich white guy picking a rich white guy out of a sea of rich white guys over on the other ticket.
N867DA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1868 times:
This election has made me very unpolitical. I used to give a crap about politics and choosing the next president of the ''greatest country in the world'' but if these are our choices, it doesn't do much to inspire the masses. Something more than an empty suit or frightening old man would be nice.
A write-in sounds like the name to go.
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: Biden is the poorest member of the senate. I believe his reported net income a couple years ago had a minus sign in front of it. I feel it's a good p
: You're not alone. Have you read Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail? If you can sift the through the strangeness its a great read.
: Hillary has just got to be giggling like a school girl. 4 years from now she'll be able to say "I told you so" to soo many people. Since Biden is up f
: Very few VP picks are going to bring their home state along. Richardson was the only one that could turn a swing state (New Mexico) into a guaranteed
: That was sarcasm since only 3 electoral votes are up for grabs, being able to deliver them means nothing. Biden's problem is his mouth. Have we forgo
: To be fair, didn't Ronaldus Magnus say the same about George H W Bush in the 1980 campaign for which Bush later was Reagans running mate? Anyway, it
: He has certainly put is foot in his mouth a few times, but do you see any Democratic VP candidates that would be better for the job of attack dog?
: I guess it was too much to expect Republicans to be above such idiotically childish remarks. -Mir
: That's kind of a stupid remark are you saying that Obama is a poor Black person? I believe everyone that is in Washington doesn't really worry about
: I feel Sen. Obama could have done better than that, i.e. picking Sen. Biden as VP nominee. I think there are better choices out there. Two things abou
: If McCain wins and continues current Bush policies, there may not be a U.S. left to have an election in 2012.
: Joe Biden, eh? Nice choice for President. Just kidding. These next few months will be interesting for sure.
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: In the Republican primaries which were won by Governor Reagan, one of the candidates, a certain George Herbert Walker Bush repeatedly stated that "Rea
: Bill Richardson for one. I can understand why they didn't though, This guy was on board all the way for the Clintons during their tenure but when the
: Tell me, RJ, if we are spending more money than we have without spending that money on anything that could possibly give us any sort of return, what
: Being the attack dog isn't about being the smartest, most experienced, or even most factually correct. It's about having a sharp tongue and being abl
: So a rich half-black/half-white guy, and an old, rich white guy? You guys act like Obama was the neighborhood garbage man then decided to run for off
: Now I wonder who McCain will pick as his VP. Will it be Mitt Romney? Should not be too long until we find out.
: Please, they are not going to jump parties. You hit the nail on the head.
: Want to guess which part of the budget consumes the most of your tax dollar and yet is not up for debate year after year? Still the most truest of al
: Dick Cheney said something similar: "Nobody votes the deficit." Push comes to shove, people want money now, and they'll vote for whoever gives it to
: Agree completely. The DNC has been extremely negative from the start and continue to be.
: http://www.236.com/news/2008/08/20/i..._imd_obamas_vp_prospect_1_8389.php I though this was pretty funny
: If McCain was "McSame" and basically 4 more years of GWB's policies, then the conservative right would be carrying him on their shoulders. But they're
: I think they're more sensible than McCain's, but I certainly wouldn't classify them as sensible overall. Those with the sensible policies are the one
: Yeah, a pro-abortion Catholic....whatever. Unless you count repeated instances of plaigarism and lying ethically clean.
: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9975 On Aug 27 2008 at the Democratic Convention in Denver, Vice-presidential candidate Sen. Jos