MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13344 posts, RR: 64 Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3260 times:
If I would get p*ssed off with somebody and kick him in the face, I would most likely be arrested and face up to 5 years prison for assault and intentionally causing dangerous bodily harm (in Germany). I wonder why they didn't have the guy arrested by the Chinese authorities. I assume that similar laws exist in China.
I also noticed that people doing violent assaults in sports often get away lightly, e.g. in football (I don't mean accidents, but intentional extremely violent fouls, which can have lasting damage to the victim and be in fact career-ending). They might get a ban by their sports association, but no punitive action is taken by the state.
JetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1613 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3234 times:
This has got to be right up there with the Zinedine Zidane headbutt
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Acheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1418 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3215 times:
I think this part is interesting:
Quote: Matos' bad behavior followed a day of confusion on the mats and ended the four-day taekwondo competition, which was marred by several protests against judge's calls.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12716 posts, RR: 80 Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3198 times:
Your right MD-11, here some overblown bling-ed up football player was sent to prison for a violent assault, but he only served 50% of his sentence and his club made it quite clear he could resume playing for them again.
Worse, not his first one and he comes from a slag, shitcu*t family, other members of which have been involved in even more serious violent crime.
Back to the Olympics, for some odd reason, David Beckham is over in China as part of the handover ceremony for the London games.
Why?
He represents massive sporting underachievement, at least for England, in football at World and European cup leveL
Him and his 'Golden Generation' we used to hear so much about.
Compare and contrast to the stellar performance, way above expectations, for the British Olympic team this year, often by those on modest incomes and with modest levels of support, compared to the massively wealthy but in truth, internationally poor England football team.
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51 Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3160 times:
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 2): I also noticed that people doing violent assaults in sports often get away lightly, e.g. in football (I don't mean accidents, but intentional extremely violent fouls, which can have lasting damage to the victim and be in fact career-ending). They might get a ban by their sports association, but no punitive action is taken by the state.
If you're talking about the Martin Taylor incident, where he almost ripped off the foot of Eduardo da Silva, he only got a 2-match ban IIRC, while Eduardo has to consider the fact that his career may be over if the injury doesn't heal well (or become a Sportinvalider in German). I actually agreed with Eduardo's manager Arsène Wenger that Taylor should have received a lifetime ban for what he did (though he should have also been charged with aggravated assault).
There was however one case in which a player was sentenced to pay damages to another player, whom he fouled so hard that he (the injured player) had to end his career, but that's it AFAIK.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13344 posts, RR: 64 Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3076 times:
Quoting OA260 (Reply 12): Quoting N328KF (Reply 9):
Even if he was wrong, kicking him is not the way to go.
100% correct and right . He gets what he deserves. No time for that kind of thing in this day and age.
No, he will not, unless the referee presses charges. As I have stated above, if I would have behaved in a similar way as an ordinary citizen, I would be escorted out of the stadium in handcuffs by the police and would be in prison.
I might well loose my job additionally (since it requires a criminal record check and I would certainly be convicted of assault), but this guy gets away very lightly.
PilotNTrng From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 897 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2953 times:
I hate to be the jerk of the group, but the photo of the refs face the moment after the kick is hilarious lol.
As for the actions, if all this guy gets is a lifetime ban from the sport, he will definatly get off easy. Im sure in many other parts of the world as is here in the States, if an athlete goes bonkers and attacks someone with such violence they will be arrested. I can recall a Pittsburgh Pirate a few years back taking a bat and hitting one of the racing weiners In Milwakee ( I think was the city ). Police arrested him. And then there was a major brew ha ha at a minor league baseball game not too long ago, where the idiot pitcher took the ball and launched it at the opposing teams dugout, sadly it hit a fan in the head. Once again this athlete was arrested. So long story short, for this guy not to go to jail is moronic.
SOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3030 posts, RR: 17 Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2923 times:
Quoting Acheron (Reply 7): Seems the judge was asking for it, too.
First all judges are changed after every match.
Second the judge followed the rules and disqualified him after his allocated one minute grace period passed and he was not able to continue the game.So where did the referee asked for it?
Now i have a question.Does being in the Olympics provide you imunity from criminal prosecution?
I am against any terrorist acts committed under the name of Islam
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12338 posts, RR: 12 Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2889 times:
While he could be prosecuted for assault in the PRC, I suspect that he won't due as will be leaving very shortly anyway. I would assume he lost many of his participant privileges such as access to the athlete's village. He may required to be in a hotel room and not leave it until he departs with the rest of the Cuba team. He acted in a shameful way and should be penalized in part as he already has.
I wouldn't doubt that when he gets home, he will lose he access to athletic training facilities, no longer able to travel outside the country, lose privileges in Cuba such as access to more food, to stores that offer goods and services not usually available to most citizens as well as possible assignment to a work camp to 're-educate' him.
Mham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3001 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2873 times:
It shows how wimpy Taekwondo is when an Olympic-class martial artist can take a shot at a defenseless head and leave the person standing. Most any other martial art would have had that ref laid out on his back, maybe unconscious. Muay Thai rules!
Right now it says its only a recommendation that he be banned but I was reading they banned an athlete for life for throwing a bronze medal on the floor after the awards in protest. Won't be any different for this guy.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13344 posts, RR: 64 Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2864 times:
Quoting Mham001 (Reply 20): Right now it says its only a recommendation that he be banned but I was reading they banned an athlete for life for throwing a bronze medal on the floor after the awards in protest. Won't be any different for this guy.
I hope the ban will only be the beginning, with the bloke facing criminal prosecution, either in China or Cuba (both places, where I wouldn't want to be in prison).
There IS a difference between throwing a temper tantrum like a 3 year old child and making a fool out of your self or knocking some teeth out of a referee's face.
TheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 1047 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2857 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 10): If you're talking about the Martin Taylor incident, where he almost ripped off the foot of Eduardo da Silva, he only got a 2-match ban IIRC, while Eduardo has to consider the fact that his career may be over if the injury doesn't heal well (or become a Sportinvalider in German). I actually agreed with Eduardo's manager Arsène Wenger that Taylor should have received a lifetime ban for what he did (though he should have also been charged with aggravated assault).
Absolutely not, the tackle was misjudged and clumsy, there was no intent to harm anyone, the way I see it, he went for the ball but misjudged it.
Someone that should have been done for a vicious tackle is Roy Keane, can't remember who it was on, but he broke the guys leg (not sure if it ended his career).
As for this idiot kicking the ref:
I think the decision to disqualify him was very harsh, he was on his feet 5 seconds after his minute had passed, I know what the rule is, but a bit of lee-way should be given. Still no excuse for aussault though
Dom
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Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11370 posts, RR: 50 Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2816 times:
Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 22): Someone that should have been done for a vicious tackle is Roy Keane, can't remember who it was on, but he broke the guys leg (not sure if it ended his career).
It was Alf-Inge Haland, and yes, it was a career ending tackle, by the now "respected" coach.
Tsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2706 times:
Well he just set a bad example for Black Latinos. I mean come one was it that serious he had to kick the guy. The ref was bleeding. Not only that he got his coach banned from the Olympics for life! The coach ought to castrate him!
Gkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24621 posts, RR: 58 Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2647 times:
Quoting GDB (Reply 8): He represents massive sporting underachievement, at least for England
Most would say over achievement...
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
25 MIAMIx707: Why are you guys shocked? That's the result of 50 years of the Che Guevara and Fidel Castro mentality, he's a living product of it. The communist "new
26 MD11Engineer: His behaviour is not restricted to communist countries. First, most athletes are picked for their physical provess, not for brain power. Secondly, any
27 LTU932: I disagree. It was a vicious foul, and even if it was a misjudged and clumsy tackle, it's still a potential career-ending injury Eduardo suffered as
28 OA260: Correct. Just look at the headlines certain footballers get. Fights , rapes , drugs. It has nothing what so ever to do with Cuba or communism. What i
29 Dazeflight: You've got some serious issues. Especially because we all know you truly believe that B/S you're posting.
30 MIAMIx707: lol.. i"m not even going to bother debating this with you euros so please, talk to me when you get a clue
31 Dougloid: I think he's going to have to find another line of work in Cuba-cutting cane suggests itself. I don't think it has to do with the ideology so much as
32 JBo: On a semi-related note, did anybody else giggle while reading the article and seeing the "WTF" abbreviation for the World Taekwondo Federation?
33 MIAMIx707: Sugar cane collapsed due to the state's mismanagement long ago, but whatever awaits him, he's going to be wishing he would've held his anger, as all
34 HAWK21M: Follow the rules.....Protest by the rules.....Now the loss is primarily of the athlete.What are chances of the Ban being revoked in the long run? regd
35 MIAMIx707: Yes, and it's hilarious The aptly named WTF federation is gonna have to find out how the hell this happened. Although I'm sure they themselves are as
36 OA260: Spoken like a true Florida Cuban American ... Your not Gloria Estefan ( Hija del Exilio ) in disguise are you? LOL.....
37 QR332: No, he shouldn't - nor can he be. The foul was absolutely horrible - but at the end of the day it wasn't intentional, and even Arsene Wenger went bac
38 Dougloid: It's said that Miami is the largest city in Cuba-or perhaps Cuba is the largest county in Florida? "Welcome to Cuba County, Florida ma'am. It is a li
39 MD11Engineer: East Germany gave several members of the communist Red Army Faction (aka Baader-Meinhof-gang) ayslum. Most of them wanted to leave the terrorist grou
40 Mham001: Wasn't intentional? Wasn't intentional would imply accidental. That kick was far from accidental. As a long time practitioner of martial arts, the id
41 FRAspotter: Probably not. I was just reading a story that Fidel Castro was supporting the decision to kick the ref in the face. Sadly, he'll probably be welcomed
42 GDB: In case I'm really not understanding this, it's being claimed that this mad display of un-sportsmanship and petulance, by this Cuban, is because of th
43 Srbmod: Since a few of you want to turn this into an off-topic discussion about politics in Cuba and the former East Germany, this thread is now locked.
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