Braybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 6122 posts, RR: 30 Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3525 times:
Katy Perry sings about kissing a girl, Madonna does it regularly on stage, and the Sugababes have sung about not needing any man. These are all (apparently) heterosexual women, presumably having a bit of fun with lesbian chic, and teasing men into the bargain.
So why haven't heterosexual male singers gone down the road of same-sex snogging, or at least singing about it? Is it a taboo that cannot be crossed? Although it never did Jimi Hendrix's career any harm when it was assumed, for years, that he was singing " 'Scuse me while I kiss this guy" in Purple Haze.
Who's going to be the first straight man to cross the rubicon?
ManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3027 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3511 times:
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I'm with you Braybuddy, I've been asking myself the same thing for years now. Probably it's because 2 women kissing is every heterosexual male's wildest dream, but 2 men kissing isn't really anyone's wildest dream - except for some of us
Chepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6301 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3410 times:
Santana and Rob Thomas kissed on stage at the grammys back in the 90's, however, I dont remember any mainstream male singers singing about kissing other men.
Dave Navarro and the lead singer of the Red Hot Chilli Peppers shared a kiss on some stage (dont exactly remember when).
Unfortunately, two or more "pretty girls" making out is much more acceptable by society than two men making out.
Seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 12606 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3307 times:
In the States, at least, I think it all goes back to we want to put on a show that we are a nation of prudes. But, sex sells and, since it is acceptable for "pretty" lesbians (I know lesbians. There is no such thing) to kiss, sales of whatever goes up. I would not mind seeing JC from NSYNC or Howie from BSB kissing another guy. Especially if I were the other guy. But, it would not really sell much of anything. If anything, it would start roumers "that one is gay" and ruin their career.
Take, for example, Eric McCormick. What has he done since Will and Grace? He is hetero in real life, but kissed three (I can remember) guys full on the lips while playing a gay man. What about the guys on Queer As Folk? I know Hal Sparks is gay in real life. I know two other actors from that show are too. How many of the hetero in real life actors got jobs after QAF?However, any young, buxom woman that sings about kissing a girl, that song goes straight to the top or actually frenches with another young, buxom woman gets instant celeb status. What a rip. Pulling a Paris Hilton: famous for nothing.
Czbbflier From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 1002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3119 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 3): Here is a video of two heterosexual male artist doing a very, very gay video.
Wow. I never saw this video. Although I never thought that David Bowie or Mick Jagger were completely straight, I am a bit shocked at how close they come to dancing out of the closet and into the street in this video....
Even though I'm out of the closet myself, at 1:19 into the video, instead of thinking wow- they're almost kissing- I was REALLY thinking: Jeeeez- I wonder how they are coping with each other's bad breath?
Hmmmmm. Maybe that's why M2M stuff just doesn't sell in mainstream culture. We all know how un-sexy most men can be most of the time- the halitosis, the farting, the sweaty B/O, the meat-eating, and beer-drinking, badly dressed louts almost all of us can be...
I thought it was awful from day one when I first saw it in 1985.
I couldn't imagine why David Bowie would reduce himself to such a trashy duet with Mick Jagger. Also, 'Dancing In The Streets' (originally by Martha Reeves & The Vandellas in 1964) was one of the weakest Motown hits. Not sure why that was remade by Van Halen (1982) and Bowie & Jagger (1985).
Blackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3020 times:
Well, in the old days (ancient greece) it was perfectly acceptable.
Modern day though, male homosexuality is considered bad because instinctively it seems to evoke images of effeminacy (which is interesting since not all gay men are effeminate -- in fact I know one or two who you would *never* in a million years suspect to be gay), and in America and many countries, there exists a machismo culture.
Generally speaking it would appear the more machismo the culture, the more opposed to male-homosexuality for this precise reason.
Braybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 6122 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2994 times:
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Although plenty of straight girls I know like gay men, I don't usually hear them thinking it's hot when two men kiss.
But you know what women are like. They are very often coy about these things. I read something a while back about something like 40 per cent of women accessing porn on the net. Somehow I don't think 40 per cent would admit to it.
Well, in the old days (ancient greece) it was perfectly acceptable.
Ah the good old days. You know since we've become more "enlightened" and given names to things, we've probably created our present-day prejudices. Before people knew what homosexuality was they just got on with it and did it, without any hangups.
StarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3546 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2957 times:
Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter): So why haven't heterosexual male singers gone down the road of same-sex snogging, or at least singing about it? Is it a taboo that cannot be crossed? Although it never did Jimi Hendrix's career any harm when it was assumed, for years, that he was singing " 'Scuse me while I kiss this guy" in Purple Haze.
Simple answer natural instincts. Look how straight women behave around each other and it isn't surprising. They often always greet each other by hugging or kissing on the cheek. Guys greet probably half the time with any physical contact at all.
Also they are much more comfortable with their bodies around each other than men will ever be. They will compare their bodies with other girls and talk about a lot more than guys do about any thing. When have you ever talked about your body or your emotions with another guy, I'm guessing not that often if ever.
Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter): Katy Perry sings about kissing a girl, Madonna does it regularly on stage, and the Sugababes have sung about not needing any man. These are all (apparently) heterosexual women, presumably having a bit of fun with lesbian chic, and teasing men into the bargain.
Another reason why you see this is pop culture more is that girl on girl action has always been a fantasy of men and not outright disgusting to women. Where as no straight man is likely going to watch two men make out and not feel at the minimum very awkward and I have no idea about how women think about it but I would guess not the same as a men would fawn over two women.
Vermeer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 447 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2911 times:
Quoting Blackbird (Reply 18): Well, in the old days (ancient greece) it was perfectly acceptable.
Actually it was accepted between a grown-up man and a younger boy only until this on was staring to develop secondary sexual tracts ( beard etc). After that is was taboo as well.
Luciano - among many Greek authors - satyrized gay men and effemminate behaviour many times.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 18396 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2895 times:
Women aren't interested in guy on guy action, and straight men obviously aren't.
Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 5): I reckon straight women are just being coy when they say that two men having sex (or snogging) doesn't turn them on
I don't think the female brain works that way.
Quoting Seb146 (Reply 12): I think it all goes back to we want to put on a show that we are a nation of prudes
It's not so much that we're a nation of prudes but rather a nation that is 90% not interested in seeing two guys getting intimate. Those of us that are need only open *anything* remotely gay and voila--more naked men than you can shake a stick at.
Quoting Blackbird (Reply 18): which is interesting since not all gay men are effeminate -- in fact I know one or two who you would *never* in a million years suspect to be gay),
...which has also inspired a disturbing trend of hyper masculinity among some gay men which can be equally off-putting.