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New Pics Of SS France In Alang  
User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7383 posts, RR: 8
Posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8325 times:

Some new,amazingly-sad pics of this great liner!

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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10727 posts, RR: 38
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8313 times:



Quoting United_Fan (Thread starter):
Some new,amazingly-sad pics of this great liner!

I was a very young "France" spotter, mostly in Le Havre and Cherbourg. Even more than sad, for those of us who have admired the long, lean and elegant Le France in her best days this is heart breaking...

I saw her cousin the QE2 nearby Cannes last Sunday. Although she was placed at some distance from the shore, she looked beautiful as ever.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8308 times:

Having worked for NCL even if the boiler accident never happened her days were numbered. Upcoming stricter SOLAS standards and the fact that the current CEO hates anything old. She might have lived on a few years longer sailing under the Star Cruises banner, though that was even a long shot.


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User currently offlineCruiseshipcrew From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8126 times:

Sad to see such a beautiful ship go that way. My first cruise was on her.


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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7929 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8085 times:

The simple fact was that the SS Norway would cost too much to upgrade to current standards for safety and disabled passenger access. It turned out NCL actually saved money by ordering a new ship to replace the Norway.

User currently offlineCruiseshipcrew From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8070 times:

Even if the accident didn't happen she would be leaving the fleet right about now anyway.


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10727 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8062 times:

I guess our Le France travel memorabilia will have more sentimental value to us now that she is gone. I have baggage tags and old postcards. She belongs to an era of bygone luxury of the great ocean liners. It is too bad though that no one has thought of restoring her into her original form and turning her into a floating museum like Dubai will do for the QE2.

I guess it is now time for a new generation of ships. The Queen Mary 2 qualifies as an ocean liner and took the flagship from the QE2 because of her retirement.Tomorrow the Queen Victoria will make her first visit here in Monaco. Even though she is a Cunard Queen she does not have the elegance and class as Le France and the QE2.



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User currently offlineTylerdurden From United States of America, joined May 2008, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7925 times:



Quoting Cruiseshipcrew (Reply 3):
Sad to see such a beautiful ship go that way.

I'll disagree. It's the normal life cycle for all mechanical things.
The QE2 will no doubt end up like the Queen Mary in time (despite the promises). I'd rather see her scrapped.

I imagine we'll see the Big U on those beaches before long. She should have been scrapped years ago.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
I guess our Le France travel memorabilia will have more sentimental value to us now that she is gone

True. I have one of those clever funnel ashtrays they used in the lounges as well as some other items from the French line--but primarily from the Normandie.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12061 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7866 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 2):
Having worked for NCL even if the boiler accident never happened her days were numbered. Upcoming stricter SOLAS standards and the fact that the current CEO hates anything old.

Is that why NCL never refit and recommissioned the SS United states?

Quoting Tylerdurden (Reply 7):
I imagine we'll see the Big U on those beaches before long. She should have been scrapped years ago.

I'm not so sure, she has been designated a national historic landmark, so at least for now, she cannot be scrapped.


User currently offlineUltimateDelta From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2064 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7860 times:

Those are kind of sad pictures, and I find them that way because my grandparents, mother, aunt, and uncle all sailed on it.


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User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7860 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 8):

I'm not so sure, she has been designated a national historic landmark, so at least for now, she cannot be scrapped.

Don't count on that. National Historic Landmark and National Register of Historic Places designations have no teeth when it comes to enforcing protection of a property against its owners. The owner might at worst get a small fine-nothing more. To be totally objective and honest, I'm much more concerned about the fate of the Delta Queen than the United States. The United States is a rusting hulk that has been out of service for years. Right now, a certain pompous Representative (Oberstar) is trying to force the Queen off the waterways by misapplying the Safety at Sea act. While the Queen does have a wooden superstructure, the successive owners of the boat have all taken great steps to insure that a fire never will happen on the boat. All of the wood has been sheathed in metal, modern fire extinguishing systems have been installed and other measures taken for passenger safety.

[Edited 2008-08-31 10:22:17]


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User currently offlineTylerDurden From United States of America, joined May 2008, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7840 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 8):
I'm not so sure, she has been designated a national historic landmark, so at least for now, she cannot be scrapped

Nope. It can be petitioned to be removed which is basically a technicality. Cost to restore is the primarily reason for most landmarks to be removed (unless obviously in gov't possession)
Further, NCL has not renewed its' application to keep it on the Register since they are at a point where they need to commit to the original application.

Clearly, they felt that the US gov't would be kicking in a nice chunk of change.

When the restoration broke $,5B....it all took a turn south. You can get a nice new ship or two for that....

She's toast.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7799 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 8):
Is that why NCL never refit and recommissioned the SS United states?



NCL wanted the SS United States for its Hawaiian cruises, that was before they got around the Jones act, so now they really do not need her nor are they likely to ever sail her, IMHO.



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User currently offlineCruiseshipcrew From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7750 times:

While I wouldn't hold my breath for them to happen Apollo has some interesting ideas for the SS US. You never know but they are showing a lot of interest in her.


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User currently offlineBananaBoY From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1570 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7730 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 8):


Is that why NCL never refit and recommissioned the SS United states?

$$$'s Cheaper to build a new ship than try and re-model and old one.


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User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12878 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7721 times:

Yes, it is sad to see a great ship (like a great and somewhat historic aircraft) being scrapped, but the reality is that not all ships can be or should be saved due to real economic and practical reasons.

As I have commented before, what bothers me more about such scrapping is that it is done in places like Alang with horrible human rights, labor rights, health and environmental problems. These people get maybe = $ 5/day, work 7 days/12 hours days and live in shacks. The workers and all others in the area are exposed to hazardous materials like lead from the old paint, fumes from the torch chemicals, asbestos, oil/fuel and so on. The workers have minimal safety equipment, with many dying or suffering crippling injuries in their work. You have horrible water and land pollution in the regions as well as ruining fishing there.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12061 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7700 times:



Quoting TylerDurden (Reply 11):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 8):
I'm not so sure, she has been designated a national historic landmark, so at least for now, she cannot be scrapped

Nope. It can be petitioned to be removed which is basically a technicality. Cost to restore is the primarily reason for most landmarks to be removed (unless obviously in gov't possession)
Further, NCL has not renewed its' application to keep it on the Register since they are at a point where they need to commit to the original application.

Clearly, they felt that the US gov't would be kicking in a nice chunk of change.

Doesn't the USN still own a portion of The SS United States? When she was originally built, back in the early 1950s, she used the USN designed lower Iowa class BB hull form, and uses the same machinery, boilers, and steam turbines from the Iowa BBs. This explaines why she was so fast, and still holds at least one Atlantic Ocean crossing record. The USN threw in some of the money to build her so she could have been used as a troop ship throughout the 1950s and 1960s.


User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3829 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7697 times:



Quoting Ltbewr (Reply 15):
As I have commented before, what bothers me more about such scrapping is that it is done in places like Alang with horrible human rights, labor rights, health and environmental problems. These people get maybe = $ 5/day, work 7 days/12 hours days and live in shacks

Thats OK, because the environmentalists don't like you doing it in the UK either...

Yes, Green Peace, Friends of the Earth and Hartlepool Council, I'm looking at you.


User currently offlineTylerDurden From United States of America, joined May 2008, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7660 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 16):
Doesn't the USN still own a portion of The SS United States?

No.

She passed into private hands in August of 1978 following an auction by the US Maritime Administration---a succession of owners followed....

Prior to NCL, she was owned by Edward Cantor (well, his estate), a New Jersey commerical real estate developer.

No part of her is publicly owned.


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7383 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7627 times:

I wonder if The Big U would make the tow to Alang?


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12061 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7580 times:



Quoting United_Fan (Reply 19):
I wonder if The Big U would make the tow to Alang?

Since she was gutted several years ago, and had all the haz-mat and asbestos removed, if she is scrapped, that could be done in the US.


User currently offlineTylerDurden From United States of America, joined May 2008, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7541 times:



Quoting United_Fan (Reply 19):
I wonder if The Big U would make the tow to Alang?

She made it to Turkey and back for asbestos removal years ago. There is debate, however, on her current seaworthy condition.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 20):
Since she was gutted several years ago, and had all the haz-mat and asbestos removed, if she is scrapped, that could be done in the US.

Still likely cheaper to tow her to India and dismantle. Plus no environmental issues with PCB's etc that may have stayed with her. So, I'm betting it's Bangladesh, Pakistan, or India for the Big U.

If she has to go....why not an artificial reef somewhere in US waters?


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7383 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7528 times:

Quoting TylerDurden (Reply 21):
There is debate, however, on her current seaworthy condition.

She was towed from Turkey in '96 , i think. 13 years of sitting in PHL can't be good.Plus,she's probably real top-heavy with no in fuel her.

Quoting TylerDurden (Reply 21):
If she has to go....why not an artificial reef somewhere in US waters?

That would be an awesome video!

I seriously doubt NCL will restore her. Which in a way is too bad. There was an article I saw somewhere where they showed the hull close-up and had many interior pics.  
That ship is in a real sad state , IMHO.It's just a matter of time til she's on the tow to be scrapped.

[Edited 2008-09-02 14:31:38]


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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7383 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7355 times:

New pic just posted!!!!!!


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User currently offlineJetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1616 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7303 times:
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Quoting TylerDurden (Reply 21):
If she has to go....why not an artificial reef somewhere in US waters?

While the SS United States hull is steel, I think the superstructure is aluminum and with the price of scrap steel and aluminum at all time high prices, that would be a very expensive reef.

I think the scrappers in Alang paid 12 million dollars for the Norway delivered.

I for one do not think the Big U can ever be made into a cruise ship, hull designs have come a long way in 50 years as have cruise ships, now almost all new ships are built with balcony’s and atrium’s. I don’t think upper deck outside cabin passengers would stand for looking out of a 12” porthole instead of a picture window or stepping outside on a balcony.

Remember the United States was built for speed using a lot of horsepower when fuel was cheap and for the rough North Atlantic waters, today’s hull designs are a lot more fuel efficient.


25 United_Fan : That , and the Big U is an ocean-liner,not a cruise ship.
26 TylerDurden : Yes, you are correct. It saved over 45K tonnes in her deadweight---helping her acheive her astonishing speed. It would make a lot of Coke cans! Never
27 Jetstar : I would assume that if the Big U was ever converted to a cruise ship, she would be taken down to bare metal internally and everything built from scra
28 Post contains links United_Fan : I'm not sure how much is even left anymore? I have seen pics,and it looks real gutted to me. The abspestos was removed when it was towed to Turkey in
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