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Who Is McCain's Running Mate?  
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8866 posts, RR: 24
Posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

He's made his choice, it seems, and will announce it tomorrow.

I am hoping that he will pick Sarah Palin, the current Governor of Alaska.



She is a strong conservative woman (which should help attract two big constituencies) who has fought hard and successfully against pork spending (including the famous "Bridge to Nowhere") and for ethics reform, and has kept approval ratings in the 80+% range.

And as an added bonus, there is a good chance she would follow McCain as president, either if something happens to him (he is 72 after all), and VPs most frequently follow up as candidates in their own right - Making possibly the first woman president a Republican.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26601 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

There is a thought that after the really strong DNC, he will be forced into choosing Lieberman.


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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3594 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1996 times:

It will be Romney, but really don't care.

McCain or Obama would change positions on any issue if it could win them the election.


User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1987 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
There is a thought that after the really strong DNC, he will be forced into choosing Lieberman.

And that's all it will remain. Other than the war Sen. Lieberman rarely agrees with GOP positions. Right now the news bulletins have MN Governor Pawlenty has cancelled all his public appearances scheduled for tomorrow. It could be a ruse but no one else on the supposed short list is doing the same.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080828/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_veepstakes


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8866 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1981 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
There is a thought that after the really strong DNC, he will be forced into choosing Lieberman.

McCain already has a reputation of being a Democrat in a Republican hat. Choosing Liebermann will not motivate the millions of conservatives who feel they have nobody to vote for.

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 2):
It will be Romney, but really don't care.

Romney is a good choice, but Palin is better. She is just as qualified, just as conservative (if not more so), and she's a woman on top everything.

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 2):
McCain or Obama would change positions on any issue if it could win them the election.

That's why a solid conservative is important to back McCain up and keep him on track.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1979 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
McCain already has a reputation of being a Democrat in a Republican hat.

Key word: "reputation"
In fact, McCain voted in favor of Bush policies 95%
He is hardly a moderate.



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User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1975 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
In fact, McCain voted in favor of Bush policies 95%

I've heard this 95% number punted around over the past few days but have not seen any link to back it up or any numbers on how Sen. Biden voted in the same time period. I would ask how Sen. Obama voted but he has not been there the entire time that President Bush has been in office.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26601 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1973 times:



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 3):

And that's all it will remain. Other than the war Sen. Lieberman rarely agrees with GOP positions.

Lieberman agrees with plenty of GOP positions. Almost every social and foreign policy position. The only place where he really differs at all is on health care and some economic policy.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):

McCain already has a reputation of being a Democrat in a Republican hat. Choosing Liebermann will not motivate the millions of conservatives who feel they have nobody to vote for.

Lieberman is pretty much McCain's only chance, as the links to Bush at this point are FAR too strong.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):

Romney is a good choice, but Palin is better. She is just as qualified, just as conservative (if not more so), and she's a woman on top everything.

A "conservative" will get him slaughtered under the DNC "Four More Years" speeches.



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User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1949 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
Lieberman agrees with plenty of GOP positions. Almost every social and foreign policy position.

Foreign policy as it relates to Iraq, hardly anywhere else. On social issues? Surely you jest!

http://lieberman.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=250808

On that most difficult and divisive question of abortion, I personally believe that Roe achieved a just balance of rights and reflected a societal consensus that has continued and deepened in our country for more than three decades. I was left with serious concerns that Judge Alito would not uphold the basic tenets of Roe and that is a very troubling conclusion.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
Lieberman is pretty much McCain's only chance, as the links to Bush at this point are FAR too strong.

That's wishful thinking.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
A "conservative" will get him slaughtered under the DNC "Four More Years" speeches.

So far Sen. Obama has only garnered 6 points in bounce over 3 days of convention in which not one speaker has been able to list any accomplishment that shows that Sen. Obama is ready to be President other than he offers some sort of unquantifiable "change".


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26601 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1946 times:



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 8):
in which not one speaker has been able to list any accomplishment that shows that Sen. Obama is ready to be President other than he offers some sort of unquantifiable "change".

Opinions are like...  Wink



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User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1937 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Opinions are like

Ali, seriously, name one speaker who got up there and listed an accomplishment that says that he is ready to be President. Former Governor Dukakis was on Fox and when asked the same question could only retort that he had a good record as a State Legislator. Now that is a ringing endorsement if I've ever heard one. This convention has been all about the Clintons, past and present. A little bit of McBush, and just plain terrible coverage by all the networks. Every single one of them.

Sorry, but I want someone who can do something other than read well off a teleprompter and I sure don't want anyone who is going to grow the government like both these candidates want to or like President Bush has done.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8184 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1919 times:



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 10):
Ali, seriously, name one speaker who got up there and listed an accomplishment that says that he is ready to be President.

As Susan Eisenhower just pointed out, the same was said of both Lincoln and Kennedy, both of whom while certainly imperfect and inexperienced, deftly handled challenges of extreme difficulty during their presidencies. As she also pointed out, it is important now to choose a President who can restore the world's faith in the US to be a leader for positive effect, particularly one who won't make decisions impulsively.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3385 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1917 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
Lieberman is pretty much McCain's only chance, as the links to Bush at this point are FAR too strong.

His best chance is a woman to get a good portion of the Hillary supporters. In this election you need to carry at least the women vote or the young vote lock up a significant victory, there is no way that a good portion of young people are going to vote for the GOP but they don't really vote in large numbers. So if he can win the women vote he has the advantage and I think that any Hillary supporter that is not on board with the Obama campaign already only cares about getting a woman in there no matter how much it hurts them.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8866 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1906 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
In fact, McCain voted in favor of Bush policies 95%

Source?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
Lieberman is pretty much McCain's only chance, as the links to Bush at this point are FAR too strong.

Keep telling youself that, please. It makes our job easier.

Gallup shows GW Bush's favorability ratings steady at 35%. After the media barrage of the past eight years, those 35% are the hard-core conservatives - the hard-working middle and upper-middle class, mainly educated white collar workers. These are the people who wanted to vote conservative in November and who were shocked and dismayed when McCain came out on top of the Republican primaries. I know - I'm one of them.

We remember McCain as one of the Gang of 14, and his idiotic McCain-Kennedy bill. Many of these 35% will remain at home in November if they just see this as a choice between a liberal-centrist and a radical liberal. A solidly conservative running mate can get these conservatives to the polls, and all McCain needs is another 16%.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
A "conservative" will get him slaughtered under the DNC "Four More Years" speeches.

We have not had conservative government since the late 1990s, so that argument won't wash too well.



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User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1900 times:



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 11):
As Susan Eisenhower just pointed out, the same was said of both Lincoln and Kennedy

One hundred and forty seven years ago things were drastically different than they are today. Lincoln was the beneficiary of the democratic party splitting its vote. I doubt that Sen. Obama will have the same luck. Also, up until Lincoln appointed General Grant he was considered a failure as a war time President and there was serious consideration to nominating someone else to run in 1864 as well as the fact he didn't win by anything resembling a landslide. Lincoln was also responsible for actually suspending habeas corpus for citizens or the country. Do you think Sen. Obama would like to be associated with that tid bit of history? Victory and assassination made Lincoln a great President. Had he lost the civil war Herbert Hoover would look like a saint compared to him.

Kennedy at least had the military experience of a war time command as well as having been in Washington first as a Representative and then a Senator. Still, Kennedy was man handled by Kruschev at their one an only face to face meeting. Kennedy made a disastrous decision at the Bay of Pigs which embarrassed not only him but the country as a whole. Kennedy actually talked of cutting the tax brackets for the highest earners. Has Sen. Obama made any mention of doing that? Kennedy ran on a supposed missile and bomber gap between the U. S. and the Soviets and called for a strengthening of the military. Has Sen. Obama called for a strengthening of the military?


Your comparison of politicians would be better served if you compared Sen. Obama to President Carter. They have, at their respective elections, about the same amount of experience at running anything and President Carter is actually ahead of Senator Obama in that he was a Governor of a State which means he actually ran something of decent size.


User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2373 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

I don't understand all the Liberman talk. Liberman ran with Gore a few years ago. Why would McCain associate his campaign with someone who ran for election with Al Gore?

User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8184 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1886 times:



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 14):
Your comparison of politicians

It wasn't mine, it was Susan Eisenhower's.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 14):
Has Sen. Obama called for a strengthening of the military?

His speech just did.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 14):
Kennedy made a disastrous decision at the Bay of Pigs which embarrassed not only him but the country as a whole.

Hell of a second guess. We should have played it McNamara's way then? We saw the result of that in the following administration.



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User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1875 times:



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 16):
It wasn't mine, it was Susan Eisenhower's.

You used it to bolster your argument so you own the opinion as does she.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 16):
His speech just did.

I am not in a position to view a tv and will not see the speech until later. I highly doubt he talked of strengthening the military as in bolstering its size versus redeploying units as has been his stated policy aim since his summer tour a few weeks back. But I will reserve judgement until I can see the speech.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 16):
Hell of a second guess. We should have played it McNamara's way then?

Nope, he should have dropped the operation altogether. For all the talk and criticism of President Bush going into Iraq with not enough troops, the Bay of Pigs was a fantasy mission.


User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

It will be Pawlenty. It's a completely uninspired pick, but it's better than Ridge or Lieberman. I strongly dislike the Pawlenty pick. He's a more boring version of McCain, who has become a Republican-in-name-only because he has wanted to gain re-election in the awful state of Minnesota. I hate to break it to the GOP, but even with Pawlenty (whose approval rating quite tepid), they won't be winning Minnesota. I've been a Romney supporter from Day 1 of his presidential bid, and he would've made the best VP choice. He is an attack dog, he is extremely bright, and his skills are beyond reproach. He would be invaluable in terms of the economy which is McCain's weakest issue.


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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12717 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1842 times:



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 6):
I've heard this 95% number punted around over the past few days but have not seen any link to back it up



Quote:

Q: Is it true John McCain voted with George Bush 95 percent of the time? The Obama campaign keeps claiming McCain has voted with President Bush 95 percent of the time. Is this true? Is this significant?

A: Yes, it's true, according to Congressional Quarterly's assessment of McCain's voting record.

Ref: http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...t_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html



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User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1838 times:



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 14):
Your comparison of politicians would be better served if you compared Sen. Obama to President Carter.

EXACTLY!!!!

Jimmy Carter came into office under the same "change Washington" hype that Obama
is using today. And it failed miserably. Not only did Republicans not stand him, but
his own party in Congress turned on him. Obama is so much more like Carter than
McCain is like Bush. And those 4 years of Carter were absolute crap! Period. This
country is in better shape now (not to say that things are great) than it was in 1980.



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1800 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
Who Is McCain's Running Mate?

Who gives a flip? Really?


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8866 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1791 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 21):
Who gives a flip? Really?

I assume you are not voting?



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User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

No matter who Mccain picks I do not think Mccain will stop what Obama has unleashed. You can't win against a movement!

But I consider myself an Independent, I would not vote for Mccain if he chose Lieberman. That is a loosing ticket if I ever saw one!

I think a strong conservative woman would be great for him.


User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1770 times:



Quoting Revelation (Reply 19):
: Yes, it's true, according to Congressional Quarterly's assessment of McCain's voting record.

Cherry picking never gets you anywhere.

The claim is true. According to Congressional Quarterly's Voting Studies, in 2007 McCain voted in line with the president's position 95 percent of the time – the highest percentage rate for McCain since Bush took office – and voted in line with his party 90 percent of the time. However, McCain's support of President Bush's position has been as low as 77 percent (in 2005), and his support for his party's position has been as low as 67 percent (2001).

So taken in context and averaged out over the entire administration, the claim of 95% is not true.


25 Flynavy : Not for McCain. I'm an Obama supporter. I'm often painted as a right-wing nut for some reason - the main reason most likely being my prior military e
26 Mir : It washes very well because while we may not have had actual conservative government, the governments that have been in place have been happy to call
27 IAirAllie : She beats Pawlenty hands down. I'm a Romney fan but I think I could get behind McCain with Palin. A "conservative" will get him slaughtered with the
28 Post contains links Superfly : http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...t_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html Obama and Biden have been in politics long before Dubya sobered up from boo
29 MIAMIx707 : That "movement" of sensationalism about Obama caused by the media is what might end up dooming the democratic chances, which were really good to win
30 Confuscius : Sen. Lieberman would be a perfect running mate.
31 MIAMIx707 : I hope Biden does not resemble Carter, I've heard some similarities concerning intl policy
32 N174UA : I thought I heard Obama say tonight that McCain voted with Bush only 90% of time? Hey, that's terrific. He's light years ahead of the DEMOCRATICALLY
33 RJdxer : Really. And here I thought that President Bush was the Governor of Texas starting in 1995 while Senator Obama didn't make it to the Illinois Senate u
34 PlateMan : I can tell you one person it will NOT be, Mike HUCKABEE. From Gov. Huckabee's blog via Politico.com: "I have never been contacted by the McCain campai
35 JCS17 : I think you might be right! I actually like Gov. Palin a lot, she wasn't my first choice, but she definitely could be the future of the GOP.
36 Elite : Probably just a couple of hours left before he announces it, and from what I heard it is either between Gov. Tim Pawlenty (partially because he cancel
37 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Pawlenty indicates he's not McCain's veep choice http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080829/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_mccain_veepstakes
38 AGM100 : One note on Biden , I use to listen to Imus in the morning here on the radio. I remember Sen Biden talking very tough about Saddam Hussein and pushing
39 Post contains links Planespotting : Nope nope: From the Chicago Tribune: Source: Sarah Palin is John McCain's pick for vice president http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...sident-john-
40 Revelation : Yes, if you define the argument, you win the argument. But it does show how McCain has swung from being the maverick of the Republican Party to now b
41 L-188 : If you don't have a radio or TV around listen of a loud implosion sound from Louisiana. Dan Fagan is down there visiting his parents and that noise w
42 Post contains links D L X : As am I. CNBC says it's her. http://www.cnbc.com/id/26454655
43 Dreadnought : No. The definition of Republicans has changed. Republicans used to be synonomous with conservatism, but not any more. Republicans over the past 10 ye
44 Homer71 : Looks like CNN and Fox News are confirming...it will be Sarah Palin
45 L-188 : I will say something. Short term it is a brilliant choice. Yesterday Barak Hussain Obama has his big rally, today McCain/Palin just took that rally an
46 Revelation : I guess the maverick won out! It'll be interesting to see if anyone gossips about why she was chosen over Romney. As above, one guess is that McCain
47 Post contains links Srbmod : Since we now know who McCain's VP pick is this thread is now being locked and all discussions in regards to it belong in the following thread: http://
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