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Teenagers Thrown Out Of Their Homes For Being Gay  
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

Sad to see this in modern day Ireland. Even worse that some parents would throw their kids out for being Gay.


By Jimmy Woulfe, Mid-West Correspondent
HOMOPHOBIA is still a significant problem in schools, with teachers ill-equipped to talk about the issue of sexuality, a support network for gays and lesbians has claimed.


Rainbow Support Services (RSS) said it was recently forced to find accommodation for a 16-year-old boy and girl from the mid-west after they were forced out of their homes and schools after ‘coming out’ about being gay.

RSS co-ordinator Vanessa Buswell said the teenagers had to find work after they were “thrown out” of home. She said homophobia was a greater problem in schools than in the home.

http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer...qqa=ireland-qqqid=71060-qqqx=1.asp

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21529 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4554 times:

Their parents should be charged with child neglect. They have a responsibility to raise their kids until they are legal adults, regardless of what the sexual orientation of their child is.

-Mir



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4554 times:

To bad Ireland does not have a Paul Harvey, so you could get "the rest of the story".

Somehow, I think there is more to this than what the news media, or RSS has to say....  Confused


User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4407 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
Somehow, I think there is more to this than what the news media, or RSS has to say....

Perhaps, but the fact is that there are still a multitude of communities in the Western world where homophobia is still accepted and nurtured. I know first hand of many cases right here in the US where parents have thrown their kids out of the house for being gay.

The best weapon we have to fight this with is education, the same way we fought (and in some areas still fight) racism, discrimination, etc. But isn't it just terrible how we humans are, that we always have to pick on a group to step on? Blacks, whites, Jews, women, gays, handicapped, blind, mentally ill, what have you, we always find a group that "doesn't fit the norm" to pick on.


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3524 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4376 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
Their parents should be charged with child neglect. They have a responsibility to raise their kids until they are legal adults, regardless of what the sexual orientation of their child is.

Yeah no kidding - that mom from Florida is under investigation for just ignoring her kid. Parents shouldn't just be able to get away with throwing their kid out of the house ...



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User currently offlineAjd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4368 times:



Quoting Planespotting (Reply 4):

Yeah no kidding - that mom from Florida is under investigation for just ignoring her kid. Parents shouldn't just be able to get away with throwing their kid out of the house ...

Yet the sad thing is, at least in the UK a lot of parents of Gay, Bi and Transgender kids do. They just throw them out and don't give a flying monkeys what happens to them.

I know all of my friends who have came out (ok, that's 3 of them, all girls. I say that because girls have it 100 times easier than guys do) had very supportive parents, and in one case her mum came out to her too. I've come out to my friends parents before my own dad because I'm sure he'd throw me out.

Saying that, if a parent cannot accept something their child can't help - what use are they as a parent anyway?


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25012 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4280 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
Somehow, I think there is more to this than what the news media, or RSS has to say.

The article does give quite a lot of "the rest of the story."  confused 

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User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5643 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4248 times:



Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
HOMOPHOBIA is still a significant problem in schools, with teachers ill-equipped to talk about the issue of sexuality, a support network for gays and lesbians has claimed.

This doesn't surprise me, but the fact that two teenagers were "forced out" of their homes and schools after coming out does. There's probably nothing that can be done about the parents of these kids, but I'm pretty sure that equality legislation would cover the latter.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13968 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

This IMO falls in the same line as kicking a teenage girl out after she becomes pregnant.

Jan

[Edited 2008-09-01 04:16:41]

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4150 times:

For many parents of teen children who realize their being gay or lesbian, it is a very shocking event. Many don't know how to react, feel they have themselves to blame, fear how relatives and their sometimes small towns will see them. All people want their children to be normal, with minimal issues that could affect them negatively in their lives and makes the parents 'look bad'. 'Then you have the still very real discrimination that still exists for those who are gay/lesiban. This is further worsened by being in a place like Ireland with a overwhelming dominance of a faith that sees homosexuality as a sin.

Probably the best bet for these teens is to move to a more tolerant place, like a major city in Ireland or maybe to the UK or the USA. The parents should also be dragged into court for their abandoned of their minor children and have to pay child support.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4068 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 6):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
Somehow, I think there is more to this than what the news media, or RSS has to say.

The article does give quite a lot of "the rest of the story."

No, it does not. I have re-read the story, and it is all one sided.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 3):
Blacks, whites, Jews, women, gays, handicapped, blind, mentally ill, what have you, we always find a group that "doesn't fit the norm" to pick on.

We, as the US have come a long way towards a more nuteral and acceptance socity. We still have some ways to go, but we are much better than we were in the 1800s and even in the 1960s. Most of the rest of the world, including the pompous EU is way behind the US in this. But, in both the US and EU, the new group to discrimiminate against is the white male, between 30 and 65, and Catholic or Baptist, and a straight sexual prefence. The next most accepted group to discrimiminate against is anyone who calls them selves a Christian.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
For many parents of teen children who realize their being gay or lesbian, it is a very shocking event. Many don't know how to react, feel they have themselves to blame, fear how relatives and their sometimes small towns will see them.



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
The parents should also be dragged into court for their abandoned of their minor children and have to pay child support.

Well, if we are talking about minors here, then we must examin how these children became gay. Being gay is not something you are born with, it is a learned behavior. That means someone, another minor child or perhaps even an adult, had gay sex with these children. If it is an adult, then that person is guilty of child molestation. In the US, children under the age of 18 cannot consent to sexual relationships, the older person (even if under 18) is guilty of statuary rape, period.

I have no problem with someone 18 or older making a choice to be straight, gay, or bi, but those under 18 do not have the rights to make that choice. The parents are responsible, and they need to be included in the decision in the child's sexual prefence, not some friend, another adult, relitive, or other person the child has a relationship with.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
All people want their children to be normal, with minimal issues that could affect them negatively in their lives and makes the parents 'look bad'.

I think you are missing the point here. Most parents want what is best for their children, as the parents define that. Now, there are parents that simply do not get fully involved in the social developement of their children. Those people should not have children. Additionally, children do not come with an "owners manula" like your new car does. You have to learn from your own mistakes in properly raising your child. When you have someone outside the family interfer with that process, to teach the child something that you (personally) do not believe in, that creates problems. Problems the person who taught the activities the parents don't belive in, does not have to ever face.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
'Then you have the still very real discrimination that still exists for those who are gay/lesiban. This is further worsened by being in a place like Ireland with a overwhelming dominance of a faith that sees homosexuality as a sin.

So, since Ireland is a predomiminetly a Catholic country, the church is the problem? What about Saudia Arabia, they mostly practice Islam, and do not accept the gay life style, either.

Within the US, no more than 3% of the population is gay, within the entire world's population, it is less than 1%, yet in the EU, some 15% of the population openly discribe them selves as gay. So that means that in the US 97%, world 99% and Europe 85% of the population consider themselves as straight. But, we only hear about those people who are or support gay issues, and don't always tell the full story.


User currently offlineIflyKPDX From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4050 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
Well, if we are talking about minors here, then we must examin how these children became gay. Being gay is not something you are born with, it is a learned behavior. That means someone, another minor child or perhaps even an adult, had gay sex with these children. If it is an adult, then that person is guilty of child molestation. In the US, children under the age of 18 cannot consent to sexual relationships, the older person (even if under 18) is guilty of statuary rape, period.

I was about 13 (7th grade) when I finally realized I was. I wasn't molested, raped, or "taught" to be gay by anyone. Inferring that being gay is somehow always the result of abuse is completely incorrect. Gays are not "damaged goods" that need to be fixed.



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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4033 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
That means someone, another minor child or perhaps even an adult, had gay sex with these children.

Tell me I'm not reading this... please, tell me I'm not...  Yeah sure

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
I have no problem with someone 18 or older making a choice to be straight, gay, or bi, but those under 18 do not have the rights to make that choice.

A choice??!! Someone needs some sex ed here...



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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11533 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4026 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
Being gay is not something you are born with, it is a learned behavior. That means someone, another minor child or perhaps even an adult, had gay sex with these children.

Really? So, I guess I learned to be gay between birth and 5 years old. I did not know or understand what it ment, but I knew when I was 5 I very clearly remember playing house with another boy. I would "cook" and "clean" and he would go out to "work."

But, I guess I learned all that.

By the time I was 11, I really knew I liked other guys. I had never touched another male. Another male had never touched me. I grew up in rural Oregon, 200 miles from the city. I actually did not have any physical relations of any kind with another man until I was 19.

But, I learned to be gay, I guess. No gay role models, no influence but heterosexuals, yet I am gay. Is that learned behavior?

Back on topic: This still happens today in the United States. Even in the cities. People still throw out their gay children. I did not really come out until after college because I had no where to go. I wanted to prepare for the worst. Thankfully, the worst was not bad at all. Some I thought were friends turned their back on me and I was fired from one job. Big deal. I got over it and moved to Portland.

However, minors do not have the resources to move to a city. If a child is thrown out with literally only the clothes on their back, they can not make it to a city. Those are the ones that are exploited.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3354 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3997 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
I have no problem with someone 18 or older making a choice to be straight, gay, or bi, but those under 18 do not have the rights to make that choice. The parents are responsible, and they need to be included in the decision in the child's sexual prefence, not some friend, another adult, relitive, or other person the child has a relationship with.

If being gay was a lifestyle choice then knowing that it will hurt you and could get you killed in some places why would anyone choose it.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
Within the US, no more than 3% of the population is gay, within the entire world's population, it is less than 1%, yet in the EU, some 15% of the population openly discribe them selves as gay. So that means that in the US 97%, world 99% and Europe 85% of the population consider themselves as straight. But, we only hear about those people who are or support gay issues, and don't always tell the full story.

It's higher in the US and EU because its somewhat socially acceptable more in the EU than in the US on the whole. In most places in the world its not tolerated in any way so people end up hiding and denying it and that can lead to massive psychological trauma as well as someone who might because a sexual predator.



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

Ugh, just when I thought we'd moved past this entirely crappy subject, here we are again with KC135TopBoom...

Jeez, all I have the energy to do is roll my eyes.

But guess what, I knew I was gay around 11, nobody taught me to be gay, I grew up in the football watchin' beer drinkin' Southern Baptist family and I still turned out to be gay. Nobody taught me shit.

And, guess what, at 15 I was molested, by a Christian who claimed to be "cleansing me of being gay." Also the day that Christians start ACTING like Christians and aren't hypocrits, then I will not have a prejudice.

Parents or in my case grandparents can be extremely cruel when it comes to being gay. Not to mention the rest of society. The first thing my grandmother said to me was that I was headed down a one way street, was going to get AIDS and die. Then there was talking of cutting me off financially out of certain individuals' wills. It's a mind game they play and they transfer their "shame" which they shouldn't feel, to their children and grandchildren. It's sad. It's not a choice, it's biological.

You know, I don't ask much of people, and you are entitled to your opinion, however, if you are going to make an argument, please do so with an educated opinion. Note, books of fiction, such as the Bible, are not good places to start your research.

UAL

[Edited 2008-09-01 10:51:33]

User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2577 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3948 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
Being gay is not something you are born with, it is a learned behavior. That means someone, another minor child or perhaps even an adult, had gay sex with these children.

 eyepopping 

What an amazing statement.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3915 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
Being gay is not something you are born with, it is a learned behavior.

If you really believe that then I truly feel sorry for you because thats something that has been taught to you by evil uneducated people. Its sad that in a relatively Westernised country like the USA that such backward views still thrive.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
What about Saudia Arabia, they mostly practice Islam, and do not accept the gay life style, either.

Oh that makes it alright then ....


User currently offlineFLVILLA From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 394 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3909 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
Most of the rest of the world, including the pompous EU is way behind the US in this.

So so wrong ! You actually think your further ahead on Human Rights than the UK for example ? Me thinks you need to read up a bit.

And for the rest of your statement; my god.....you have a right to your opinion albeit I find it personally rather sickening, but you are far far behind the modern world. Get with it or be left behind sir !



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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3897 times:



Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 14):
If being gay was a lifestyle choice then knowing that it will hurt you and could get you killed in some places why would anyone choose it.

Because gay people are as stupid and self destructive as their straight counterparts, in some ways more and in some ways less.

Either way, parents are entitled to say "Here's the rules. If you can't abide them for whatever reasons, find yourself another place for chowin' because I'm through feeding you mine."


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3894 times:



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 20):
"Here's the rules. If you can't abide them for whatever reasons, find yourself another place for chowin' because I'm through feeding you mine."

So if a girl's breasts start growing too large during puberty for the parent's liking, then they can tell her to get the "F" out of their house?

UAL


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3875 times:



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 21):
So if a girl's breasts start growing too large during puberty for the parent's liking, then they can tell her to get the "F" out of their house?

UAL

Unresponsive and beside the point, even for you.

If your parents don't like what you do, and you keep doing it despite their entreaties, why, common sense tells you you might get tossed out on your ear.

What about "it's not your house, it's your parents' and if you can't live by their rules they're within their rights to stop supporting you" do you not understand?


User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3845 times:

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 22):
Unresponsive and beside the point, even for you.

If your parents don't like what you do, and you keep doing it despite their entreaties, why, common sense tells you you might get tossed out on your ear.

What about "it's not your house, it's your parents' and if you can't live by their rules they're within their rights to stop supporting you" do you not understand?

My comment was not beside the point....

A girl can't control the size of her breasts, just the same way a guy or girl cannot choose their sexuality. The only books out there that have ANY weight that say otherwise are the Bible and Koran. Every other scientific book in modern sexuality research says otherwise.

Your sexuality is not a behavior, it is a biological response to stimuli from either male or female counterparts. Now a parent has every right to say that you may NOT have sex in my house. That is an entirely different subject, but a parent cannot control in any form or fashion their child's sexuality, and to repress the healthy growth of that and give them confidence in who they really are, is abusive. I'm not saying that they should let them go out and have sex, but I'm saying that they should let them know that it's okay to be who you are from all aspects, including your sexuality.

I repressed my sexuality and hid it for 11 years, and it does SIGNIFICANT psychological damage. I did so because I, like many other people, were afraid of what people would say or do to me, or how my parents might react and possibly hate me for it.

Being a kid and being gay is scary enough without your parents throwing you out on the streets.

What don't YOU get about that DOUGLOID?

UAL

[Edited 2008-09-01 13:08:07]

User currently offlineIflyKPDX From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3829 times:

Indeed, the only real "choice" those who are gay or bisexual have is to accept themselves or live a lie. Those who can accept it I would think would tend to be much happier in life than those who use whatever excuse (religion, social stigma, whatever) to live heterosexually and suffer lord knows what psych issues in life.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25012 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3811 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
No, it does not. I have re-read the story, and it is all one sided.

The facts are not in dispute, so perhaps the story is one-sided. No one has ever presented me with an objective reason why any parent kicks their child out of the house for "being gay".

And you certainly don't do it, with statements such as:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
Being gay is not something you are born with, it is a learned behavior.

I can't speak for anyone else, but in my own case that is absolutely not true.

I had no choice about being attracted to the same sex. I was first aware of it by the time I was six years old, and it had nothing to do with "contact" - there had been none. It was not in any way learned.

The only eventual "choice" I had was between being sexually active and sexually inactive.

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25 Ual747 : I have never in my 28 year life run across someone who has said, "I chose to be gay"....never.... UAL
26 Kaitak : It is absolutely appalling that anything like this should happen in Ireland or anywhere; whether a child is gay, pregnant, transgender or whatever, yo
27 Hywel : Things like this will always happen, and there'll always be 2 types of people, either shouting in protest or smiling in glee. No point in trying to ch
28 MD11Engineer : About 8 years ago I had, while on a journey with my girlfriend, serious problems in buying condoms in rural parts of western Ireland (Connemara, Co. S
29 MD11Engineer : Since you mentioned McQuaid, you know that he tried to influence Taoiseach (Prime minister) Eamon de Valera back in the 1930s, when the Irish constit
30 Braybuddy : The Catholic Church doesn't have the hold on this country the way it used to. The sexual scandals in the church over the last 20 years have disillusi
31 Mariner : Something similar may have happened in New Zealand. The governmant, fairly rationally, decided that that it has no place in the church and cannot dic
32 Bok269 : You want to tell me that gays are heathen? Fine. You want to tell me that gays are all going to hell? Fine. You want to tell me that homosexuality is
33 OA260 : Very true. Although I do not have anything against the Catholic church I dont think they should have political clout. Any ideas what it will mean for
34 Mir : Except that she chose to become pregnant. Nobody chooses to be gay. Wow. The 1940s called, and they want their views back. They're certainly not much
35 MD11Engineer : In the rarest cases it is a concious decision to become pregnant, at least for a teenager (mature women in a stable situation might have a concious w
36 Mir : Sure, but you know that sex without contraceptives can lead to pregnancy (or you should). So even if you can't get condoms, you're still deciding to
37 Post contains links and images Ajd1992 : Ok, I posted a post with an F-bomb in it, and it was deleted. I was rather annoyed so I shall remove the F-bomb and repost, as otherwise it was not ru
38 Post contains images Luv2fly : Both very well said. It amazes me to this day and age we still have backwards thinking like KC135TopBoom, and by the way to my fellow gay men and wom
39 ClassicLover : My jaw dropped at this. ... and I have all the respect for you and your posts 100% usually, but I have to take dire exception to this. When I was in
40 Pawsleykat : I wasn't kicked out of home exactly, but my father did tell me he wanted no more contact with me when I came out. That has since changed. It's not a n
41 Ual747 : Actually Pawlseykat, The 10% statistic is based on homosexuality observed in animals and it is loosely applied to humans. Humans have the ability to
42 Post contains images Midcon385 : I agree 100%! I think it's great to see those who are comfortable with all aspects of themselves, and I refuse to discriminate. I am straight, and I
43 Post contains links Braybuddy : For sure. It will be the same as marriage, but without the name. Seemingly that would require constitutional change, and is a welcome opt out for the
44 Dougloid : What about "My rules, my house, my chow, live by them or find another feeding station." do YOU not understand? That seems to be a simple proposition
45 Post contains images AustinAllison : The fact is, I don't care if you're homosexual. I could care less, but what I do care about is when you say you are just like everyone else, you aren'
46 MD11Engineer : In both cases church and tradition wants to ban recreational sex, this means all sex no aimed at procreation between a married (as per church rules)
47 Gofly : Hello chaps, As some of you may be aware, a number of posts have been deleted from this thread. It has taken me a considerable amount of time to remov
48 ManuCH : That's actually an interesting point. I think we need to make a distinction between how someone *is* and how someone *acts*. For example, when I came
49 Kingsford : Thank you all for the great posts ! Now I will silently retreat and try to think when exactly I chose to be 'abnormal'.
50 Cruiseshipcrew : very good interesting point. Its the same in the cruise industry. Some wires must be connected.
51 OA260 : One thing you take from the posts on this thread is that America has a long way to go to catch up with the EU on attitudes and ideas towards Gay peopl
52 Babybus : We don't know what type of homes these kids have been thrown out of. If the parents are that ignorant or socially backward then the kids are better of
53 Mt99 : Wouldn't we have to include Canada along with the EU?
54 MD11Engineer : Actually it did. Same as in the US, the Irish mortgage banks have been offering 100% finance and also lending money to people who couldn't really aff
55 KC135TopBoom : Being gay is a learned behavior, you were not born to be gay any more than someone else was born to be straight. Too late, you did read it...........
56 OA260 : WRONG . Maybe when you get older and see more of the world and mix with different people you will understand a bit more. Think out of the box your in
57 Mt99 : How do you know? Have you been gay? i mean seriously. You know the "straight" side of things, how do you even pretend to understand the gay side. Unl
58 ManuCH : We could go on for ages discussing this, and we will never agree. To each his own opinion, and I'm not even sure what my opinion about this is - but
59 Seb146 : Following that logic, being straight is learned behavior. When did you learn to be straight? Who taught you to be straight? What person molested you
60 Braybuddy : The Bible Belt is alive and well and living on a.net! I honestly don't know why some of you are even bothering to argue with these guys. You're playin
61 OA412 : Yeah I often wonder that myself. I suppose they too can "choose" to be gay. Yeah sure, give it a try guys and see how it goes then come back and tell
62 Braybuddy : Where I work, there are two urinals in the men's toilets. I've never known anyone to do an about-turn when they find me at one of them, and anytime I
63 N1120A : Religion is the problem in both countries. Common theme here. Yeah, keep believing that You mean "the rest of the story as spun by a right wing lunat
64 Dougloid : You fancy yourself. Maybe he just doesn't like you as a person.
65 Ual747 : KCTopBoom.... I'm not touching this thread with a 10 foot pole anymore. Most of you missed what went on last night and most of it was deleted. Interes
66 Post contains images Gofly : Hello again chaps, There have been a number of deletions since I posted my earlier message; this, combined with volatile nature of the subject, is lea
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