Sponsor Message:
Non Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Conservative Ire Pushed McCain From Lieberman  
User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3887 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1316 times:

Apparently Palin was'nt the one that McCain wanted in the first place. He actually wanted Joseph Lieberman, but he was forced to chose another

New York Times:


Conservative Ire Pushed McCain From Lieberman

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/us...ref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

48 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2796 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1315 times:

People have been saying for months before Sarah Palin was picked that Joe Lieberman was going to be picked as Vice President, but many other issues also contributed to turning Lieberman away. Firstly, as you said, the conservatives were already not happy with McCain's "conservative record" and Lieberman would increase this divide. Palin, however, is strongly conservative in many issues and is a good choice. Also, many allies of McCain urged McCain to continue to follow his maverick attitude to pick a vice president that is not an expected one.

McCain did a good job in stealing some of the limelight away from the DNC and Obama by picking Palin, who appeals to conservatives, Hilary Clintons supporters, and to people who like McCain's maverick character and moving away from the status quo. In my opinion, Palin was a very good and strategic pick by McCain.

PS: Link doesn't work.


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3887 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1296 times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/us...20McCain%20From%20Lieberman&st=cse

User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1285 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Lieberman may be right on defence but his positions on economic issues and taxes would not be in line with McCains philosopies, nor with the base who's votes he needs. Lieberman has remained (in spite of the incredibly horrible way the Democrats have treated him) loyal to his beliefs and stayed liberal to the point of keeping the Senate in Democrat hands even though he could keep the same committee position if he caucused with Republicans instead.

It's the reason I respect him as much as I do. He's true to his voters and his beliefs.



Is my Pan Am ticket to the moon still good?
User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days ago) and read 1253 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 1):
McCain did a good job in stealing some of the limelight away from the DNC and Obama by picking Palin, who appeals ... (to) Hilary Clintons supporters,

Excuse me? Palin & Clinton are just about as far from each other that you can get, so why on earth would Hillary supporters suddently support Palin?

And yes, they're both women, but let's give the voters that bit more credit, shall we?  Yeah sure


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8838 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1253 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 1):
Firstly, as you said, the conservatives were already not happy with McCain's "conservative record" and Lieberman would increase this divide.

Lieberman, in spite of his split with the New Democratic Party and its militant leadership over Iraq, is still a Democrat in terms of domestic policy.

I think the NYT and others overstate Lieberman's candidacy. Sure, he was probably considered because of his experience and integrity, as well as his friendship with McCain, but I think that it was vetted out early, because half of all Republicans will have felt betrayed and stayed home in November. It's obvious.

Remember that there is still 35% of the population that give Bush good marks. These are the die-hard Republicans who have rejected all the negative propaganda of the past 8 years. They want a conservative, and consider McCain to be a liberal (or at least centrist) Republican. If they see no conservative on the Republican ticket, they will stay home, except for a few who might motivate themselves simply by not wanting an outright socialist in the White House.



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1245 times:



Quoting CPH-R (Reply 4):
And yes, they're both women, but let's give the voters that bit more credit, shall we?

Are you shooting for the most generous person of the year award?


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16861 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1237 times:

I see the selection of Palin as both a grab for Hilary Clinton supporters who are still upset their candidate did not get the nomination, and using her position as Governor of Alaska to push hard the "drill here" campaign.

The first I see as a total waste of time if...

If Senator Clinton comes out strong and campaigns hard for Obama and Biden it will totally negate any efforts the McCain campaign is making towards her supports, all you need is Hilary Clinton to rebuff anything Palin says about her and her campaign. Hilary Clinton campaigning for Obama and mentioning Palin's views on a Woman's right to choose and other issues and it will totally take the wind out of that sail.

Second I really believe Americans have finally had it with these energy crisis, the "Drill here" campaign is not the winner the McCain camp are expecting. With Russia threatening to cut off oil to Western Europe, Hurricanes wreaking havoc year after year in the Gulf of Mexico I really and truly believe Americans are ready to embrace energy policies that will move away from more oil consumption.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1217 times:



Quoting Dl021 (Reply 3):
Lieberman may be right on defence but his positions on economic issues and taxes would not be in line with McCains philosopies, nor with the base who's votes he needs. Lieberman has remained (in spite of the incredibly horrible way the Democrats have treated him) loyal to his beliefs and stayed liberal to the point of keeping the Senate in Democrat hands even though he could keep the same committee position if he caucused with Republicans instead.

He's also pro-choice which seems to be the GOP's biggest requirement to be a presidential candidate, I mean there are so much more important things to worry about than that which IMO will not get overturned even though McCain wants it to be if he wins.



Engineers Rule The World!!!!!
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1214 times:



Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 8):
He's also pro-choice which seems to be the GOP's biggest requirement to be a presidential candidate

I thought pro-choice is something that has actually split the GOP over the years.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1211 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 1):
McCain did a good job in stealing some of the limelight away from the DNC and Obama by picking Palin, who appeals to conservatives, Hilary Clintons supporters, and to people who like McCain's maverick character and moving away from the status quo.

Palin will not appeal to Clinton supporters. All Hillary has to do is get up and say "yes, she's a woman, but that's where the similarities between us end - if you want a candidate who will fight for women, vote for Obama."

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8838 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1202 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 9):
I thought pro-choice is something that has actually split the GOP over the years.

You are somewhat correct. I am a pro-choice conservative, but feel that the abortion issue is pretty far down the list of national priorities. Some people feel very differently, on both sides of the issue. If someone votes for Obama just because he is pro-choice, or for McCain just because he is pro-life, is a pretty poor set of priorities.



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1182 times:

Lieberman for McCain's V.P. was a pipe dream. However, do not rule out the possibilty
of him being in McCain's Cabinet. (Sec. of State perhaps).

People need to differentiate between people who voted for Hillary Clinton and Hillary Clinton
supporters. Hillary Clinton supporters wanted Hillary, herself, to be President and not
necessarily any woman to be President. Moreover, electing Hillary and making her the first
woman to be President was too intoxicating for them. Hence the PUMAs.

Now how pissed do you think these women are today with that prospect rapidly dwindling?
Because it wouldn't be Hillary breaking that final glass ceiling if McCain wins.

Sarah Palen was chosen because 1) McCain sees his same spirit in her philosophy
2) She really energizes the base in a way he will never be able to and 3) It will really
further irritate the Hillary Die-Hards who are upset with Obama for not choosing her.

PUMAS UNITED WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED! JOIN THE SISTERHOOD!



fly high, pay low...Germanwings!
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 13, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1166 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
I see the selection of Palin as both a grab for Hilary Clinton supporters who are still upset their candidate did not get the nomination,

Not true and if so, John McCain and his people are seriously delusional.
Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton share NOTHING in common in terms of political views. I can't think of two more polar opposite candidates.

Quoting Dl021 (Reply 3):
(in spite of the incredibly horrible way the Democrats have treated him) loyal to his beliefs and stayed liberal to the point of keeping the Senate in Democrat hands

It's the reason I respect him as much as I do. He's true to his voters and his beliefs.

Dl021 my friend, please give it a rest.
Do you have the same amount of respect for the 30+ other Democratic Senators that share the same exact beliefs and principals of Lieberman? As I've said before, the current script he Christian conservatives are saying is to talk up and praise Joe Lieberman and pretend to love the Orthodox Jews. In private, they hate him and Orthodox Jews because of what their Bible dictates. That is the real reason why the conservatives were against McCain picking Joe Lieberman.

Then again, if Sarah Paulin get's pregnant again between now and election day, McCain may pick Joe Lieberman after all.  duck 

[Edited 2008-09-01 14:55:20]


Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (5 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 1069 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
all the negative propaganda of the past 8 years.

Hmm... From which side? About which topic? Are you talking about when all the media jumped on the "let's invade a country that has nothing to do with terrorism and is no threat to anyone but its own dictatorial regime" bandwagon back in '02/'03?  Smile

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
With Russia threatening to cut off oil to Western Europe, Hurricanes wreaking havoc year after year in the Gulf of Mexico I really and truly believe Americans are ready to embrace energy policies that will move away from more oil consumption.

May you be right, my friend, for our common Western energy policies are very much dependent on your countrymen's embrace of energy responsibility...  pray 

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 8):
He's also pro-choice which seems to be the GOP's biggest requirement to be a presidential candidate,

You mean to not be a GOP's presidential candidate...  Wink

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):
If someone votes for Obama just because he is pro-choice, or for McCain just because he is pro-life, is a pretty poor set of priorities.

I agree with your statement wholeheartedly.  Smile


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (5 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 1065 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
As I've said before, the current script he Christian conservatives are saying is to talk up and praise Joe Lieberman and pretend to love the Orthodox Jews. In private, they hate him and Orthodox Jews because of what their Bible dictates.

Painting with a bit of a broad brush here, aren't we? Why is it so hard to believe that even conservative Christians can respect a person even if they disagree with some of their opinions and positions? I would think that is the sort of attitude you would applaud. I would expect this rhetoric from some hopeless demagogue, but not you. For what it is worth, none of the translations of the Bible I have read say that I should, "hate the Jews", or anyone else for that matter. Not even liberals.



Proud OOTSK member
User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (5 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 1057 times:



Quoting Lowrider (Reply 15):
Why is it so hard to believe that even conservative Christians can respect a person even if they disagree with some of their opinions and positions?

I definitely agree with you on the principles you state.

Now for this part:

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 15):
For what it is worth, none of the translations of the Bible I have read say that I should, "hate the Jews", or anyone else for that matter. Not even liberals.

I also agree but I find it quite contradictory that someone (not you, I am trying to talk in broad terms) would claim not to hate anyone yet support death penalty. Again, I am not saying that all conservatives (Christian or not) are pro capital punishment but it is true that it gets fairly high approval ratings among right wing and conservative religious groups.

Wouldn't the killing of someone who is behind bars be quite a display of hatred?

I am not being malicious or picky, but just feeding off your statement regarding using the Bible as justification for violence and hatred.

 Smile


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (5 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 1052 times:



Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 16):
Wouldn't the killing of someone who is behind bars be quite a display of hatred?

Not necessarily. The death penalty is not and should never be about feeling satisfied over the outcome. No more than any other sentence or punishment should be. There is considerable disagreement among Christians about the applicability of the death penalty. On the one hand, there is the element of justice and protection to consider. Every time a release criminal re-offends, it is a failure on our part. It is particularly onerous if it is a violent or fatal crime, and the question spectre of our unwillingness to apply capital punishment hangs in the background. On the other, any person in their right mind is loath to shed innocent blood. This is certainly condemned in the Bible. Given the imperfect nature of our criminal justice system, this is almost unavoidable. The death penalty was widely applied in the Bible, particularly in the Old Testament, but there were also limits set on when it could be used and the standard of evidence required to use it.

All this to say, over the years I have become less certain of my position on the death penalty. The US Constitution provides for it, and I think there is room for discussion as to how to handle this power. I would like to see a way it could be applied in a foolproof manner, and that is the only way it should be applied. I am unsure of what that manner looks like.



Proud OOTSK member
User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2796 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (5 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 1047 times:



Quoting CPH-R (Reply 4):
And yes, they're both women, but let's give the voters that bit more credit, shall we?



Quoting Mir (Reply 10):
Palin will not appeal to Clinton supporters

There have been numerous reports of independent voters voting for McCain because of Sarah Palin, and Clinton supporters now also supporting McCain because Palin is a women. It is a fact, not about giving voters more credit. People will vote for Obama because he is black - unfortunate, but it will happen, just like how people will vote for Palin because she is a women.


User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (5 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 1052 times:



Quoting Lowrider (Reply 17):
The death penalty is not and should never be about feeling satisfied over the outcome. No more than any other sentence or punishment should be.

 checkmark  Agreed 100%.

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 17):
On the one hand, there is the element of justice and protection to consider. Every time a release criminal re-offends, it is a failure on our part. It is particularly onerous if it is a violent or fatal crime, and the question spectre of our unwillingness to apply capital punishment hangs in the background.

Reform of judicial system could help in this respect - notably the notion of "life" sentence, which should mean "no exit, ever". If you get life, then you die in prison, as paradoxical as the phrasing looks.

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 17):
On the other, any person in their right mind is loath to shed innocent blood. This is certainly condemned in the Bible.

And this is where it gets tricky. It is "Thou shalt not kill", not "Thou shalt not kill innocents". Shedding blood is condemned regardless of the value of the human being whose blood is shed.

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 17):
The death penalty was widely applied in the Bible, particularly in the Old Testament, but there were also limits set on when it could be used and the standard of evidence required to use it.

See above and the never-ending debate can continue...  Smile

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 17):
I would like to see a way it could be applied in a foolproof manner, and that is the only way it should be applied. I am unsure of what that manner looks like.

The only way to come up with a foolproof system is for mankind to not fail. And that is inherently impossible. Which is what makes me think that applying capital punishment is a way for us to play God. I consider myself an agnostic in its most open definition of the term (which implies the deepest respect for anything religious) but even I can see a problem with playing God...

In all good spirit and I certainly don't mean to divert the Elections' debate from its righteous course of discussing the amount of money spent by Cindy McCain on her latest outfit or Sarah Palin's daughter or any other Earth-shattering issues raised in recent days by both Parties...

 biggrin 

More seriously I thank you personally for taking the time and class to debate this most sensitive of subjects in a calm, respectful and constructive way. It is sufficiently rare to be noted.  Smile


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (5 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 1041 times:



Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 19):
"Thou shalt not kill", not "Thou shalt not kill innocents".

Actually it is "Thou shalt not murder", and I think that is consistent with the other prohibitions against killing the innocent.

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 19):
The only way to come up with a foolproof system is for mankind to not fail. And that is inherently impossible.

And therein lies my problem. Now in certain cases, I think we (humans) could get it right. If 50 people and 5 security cameras witness one person killing another in a completely unprovoked attack, it is possible that we could safely convict and sentence that person to death. The problem is when we try and make it fit the more common, less clear cases.

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 19):
See above and the never-ending debate can continue...

Whew, because if we solved all of these what would we talk about here?

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 19):
More seriously I thank you personally

Thanks. And to you, likewise.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled campaign pettiness.



Proud OOTSK member
User currently offlineAirportSeven From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 1040 times:

Do you really want a President who can't even stand up to the Republican National Convention to get the Vice President that he wants? How can we rely on somebody to face the terrorists when they won't even face Mike Duncan?

User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (5 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 1028 times:



Quoting Lowrider (Reply 20):
Actually it is "Thou shalt not murder", and I think that is consistent with the other prohibitions against killing the innocent.

Duh. I missed that one. I guess it only brings more food for thought to the debate. Now how do you make a never-ending debate even longer-lasting, hey?  Wink

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 20):
Whew, because if we solved all of these what would we talk about here?

Barack and Michelle Obama's fist tap/terrorist call? J-Lo's bum? You know, some life-changing, History-altering subjects...  silly 

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 20):
We now return you to your regularly scheduled campaign pettiness.

Mate, I live halfway across the world and even I am sick of it all already. My heart goes out to you for the stretch run of the next three months... If the past 12 months have been any indication of the kind of brain-beating, basement-level bickering that you'll be treated to in the next few weeks, I strongly suggest you return your TV to a pawn shop and stop reading the "politics" pages of newspapers...

 Smile


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (5 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 1022 times:



Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 22):
I strongly suggest you return your TV to a pawn shop and stop reading the "politics" pages of newspapers...

Thanks. We actually decided to take a year off of TV starting in June. All of the election nonsense helped in the decision. With decent newspapers and the net, I really don't think I am missing much.



Proud OOTSK member
User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (5 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 1017 times:



Quoting Lowrider (Reply 23):
Thanks. We actually decided to take a year off of TV starting in June. All of the election nonsense helped in the decision. With decent newspapers and the net, I really don't think I am missing much.

Join the club. The only downside to not watching TV that I get to experience in my everyday life is that I am cut off from a fair bit of conversation with my social network. Simply because when they talk about TV shows and people, I just don't have a clue. And one can only blather on about airplanes for so long without everyone around getting bored very quickly...  silly 

Other than that, I'm sure it's a nice end-of-summer season in the US so grab a good book and newspaper and go enjoy a nice 'cino outside!!  Smile


25 Lowrider : It is, and should you find your self in Minnesota, drop me a line. Hopefully I will be on days off.
26 Alfa75 : You get a gold star. Thanks for your common sense approach to your politics. We have way more important things to be worrying about than that issue.
27 Superfly : I guess you never finished reading these various versions of the Bible. It specifically states that when JAY-ZUS returns, non believers (that include
28 WunalaYann : Then blame me for bringing it up, not him. And I think he has been quite discerning in his phrasing and we all agree that ancient scriptures (check t
29 Superfly : That is the last thing I want to discuss. I could really careless what these crazy Bible thumpers believe, nor do I care about kiss a$$ Lieberman.
30 Post contains links Baroque : Then again, the US Constitution provides for attacking Russia - I presume - and that is really not a good idea - either. The manner looks like not ap
31 WunalaYann : Ire? Why? I don't expect anyone to speak French and am most honoured when someone tries! If you're looking for the arrogant, anal-retentive "French i
32 Post contains links Kalakaua : If Palin doesn't appeal to some HRC supporters, I believe Cindy McCain does... http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=25419
33 Baroque : Bloody miracle is all I can say. I am just appalled at how the abilities associated with being able to pass exams in the language and wander around F
34 JM017 : Unfortunately, some voters are not so sophisticated. For many, the fact that Palin was chosen is enough to secure their vote, no matter her stance on
35 Lowrider : Nope. McCain was not my first choice either, but he is one of the options I am left with after the vetting process. I don't think Palin was a bad cho
36 Dreadnought : No it isn't. First of all, you are assuming that McCain is dumb enough to believe that he could motivate enugh voters to win the election if he chose
37 Post contains links Baroque : Well I suppose it was subtitled back in the 50s so I guess so, but now you come to mention it some French films I watched in those days were not. Now
38 Lowrider : I would like to see the death penalty fall out of favor not only from public sentiment, but also that it is so infrequently needed that it is not wor
39 PSA727 : " target=_blank>http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/d...25419 I read most of these posts and felt good about them. But what surprised me was that no o
40 WunalaYann : I think your answer is full of humility and intelligence, two very important qualities in my view. In my book there is nothing "unsatisfying" about s
41 Post contains links RJdxer : Dream on. Until those policies can produce energy for a consistently lower price than oil they will remain on the fringe. Already has. http://www.hil
42 Superfly : Read reply #28. That is just too funny! You welcome. I was a fly on the wall. Seriously though, despite the icy relation between Romney and McCain he
43 RJdxer : I don't think McCain wanted either of them. I don't think he trusts Romney, as you say they don't really get along, and I think Lieberman was a ploy
44 JM017 : I am assuming no such thing. Nor am I advocating what you state. McCain probably realised that he would be shooting himself in the foot had he chosen
45 Dreadnought : I disagree. Picking Palin was the most "mavericky" (will that become a word?) move of his entire campaign. I think he believed that here is a chance
46 Superfly : We wont know that until November.
47 JM017 : Maybe you're right. She is hardly a safe bet. I figured he would choose someone with conservative creds. A "safe" bet. There are quite a few female a
48 Dreadnought : I have to agree. As Palin said the other day, there is good change and bad change (climate change, anyone?) Socialism is not good change.
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Paris Hilton Responds To John McCain Ad posted Tue Aug 5 2008 16:11:42 by Johnboy
Rasmussen Shows McCain Ahead posted Mon Aug 4 2008 09:07:52 by Pope
John McCain: The Straight Talk Candidate posted Sat Aug 2 2008 21:12:32 by Johnboy
McCain: 16 Months A 'Good Timetable' posted Fri Jul 25 2008 16:04:41 by D L X
I Think McCain Will Win! posted Thu Jul 24 2008 23:11:02 by JCS17
McCain Flip-Flops On Obama's Euro/ME Trip posted Thu Jul 24 2008 20:15:27 by Falcon84
Obama's Latest Endorsement Comes From Death Row posted Thu Jul 24 2008 11:44:09 by Pope
Child Named 'Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii' posted Thu Jul 24 2008 04:06:42 by Nighthawk
McCain VP Pick Announced Soon? posted Tue Jul 22 2008 08:31:19 by Sv7887
Sending Personal Emails From My Work Address posted Mon Jul 21 2008 11:23:03 by Alitalia777