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User currently offlineIre2008 From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1816 times:

Hi, I love aviation and Im looking to move and work in California, pref LA, and work in the airport as something, anyting really. I will be 18, looking for work next summer. But problem is, I think u need the Visa before you work in America, does anyone have any information about anything, work, Visa info? Im from Ireland btw

Kevin

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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7704 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1794 times:
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Quoting Ire2008 (Thread starter):
I think u need the Visa before you work in America, does anyone have any information about anything, work, Visa info? Im from Ireland btw

Of course you need a visa. If you want to do it legally (and under no circumstances should you do otherwise) then 'moving' to the US is a big deal.

Point number two - don't go looking for visa and immigration advice on sites like this. Make your enquiries using the appropriate US government sites which will contain all the information you need. Do not simply take anyone elses word for it where immigration regulations are concerned. That would not be an acceptable excuse if you got into trouble on arrival.

Point number three - this should not be in Civil Aviation.



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4251 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1784 times:

You need more then just a visa. You must first apply for status in the U.S. and acquire a green card. Then you have to find an employer that is willing to sponsor you as a foreign worker. Also you must show that there are no qualified people in the U.S. that are able and willing to do the job you are applying for. You are not even of age in the U.S. which is 21. You said you would like to work in the Los Angeles area. How is you Spanish?


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User currently offlineTylerDurden From United States of America, joined May 2008, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1762 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 1):
Point number two - don't go looking for visa and immigration advice on sites like this. Make your enquiries using the appropriate US government sites which will contain all the information you need. Do not simply take anyone elses word for it where immigration regulations are concerned. That would not be an acceptable excuse if you got into trouble on arrival.

That should be point number one. And the only point in this discussion.

I'll venture to say that if your picking a job based on working at a 'cool' airport, then you likely should stay exactly where you're at---you arent' mature enough to leave home.


User currently offlineIre2008 From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1751 times:

K thanks for de info, I found the US embassys website extremely confusing and gave no real info! How come its so hard to get into America to work?? LOL In Ireland we basically give any1 a visa to work!! The amount of CHinese etc we have here, walk down the main street in Dublin, you wud not think you r in Ireland!! Like there are no visaa for working even for a year or anything?

User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7704 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1730 times:
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Quoting Ire2008 (Reply 4):
K thanks for de info, I found the US embassys website extremely confusing and gave no real info! How come its so hard to get into America to work?? LOL In Ireland we basically give any1 a visa to work!! The amount of CHinese etc we have here, walk down the main street in Dublin, you wud not think you r in Ireland!! Like there are no visaa for working even for a year or anything?

Firstly, you're obviously one of the great many out there that seem to think that it should be a breeze to just waltz into another country to live and work there. This is naive in the extreme and it is very rarely that easy.

Secondly, despite your crude conclusions (which to be honest are verging on offensive), work visas are not dished out in Ireland like smarties either. Stay at home and eduacate yourself a little bit more before trying to disappear off to live on the other side of the world.



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User currently offlineOhTheDrama747 From UK - Scotland, joined Jan 2005, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1726 times:



Quoting Ire2008 (Reply 4):

Quite obviously you've not really researched this at all. If you're really serious and can't find what you need on their website (extremely doubtful) then call them.

I very much doubt they'll give you a Visa if you're just going to work as a CSR or something like that.

I wish you luck, however.

G


User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4251 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

You should get some education and then some work experience in a field that would be a first step. Second you need to understand that just because you think it is easy to obtain employment in Ireland because you are Chinese, they may actually be Irish


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25512 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1648 times:

I believe the folks here have indeed given you some good overall advice.

The chances of getting a work visa or green card is zero for positions such as airport jobs.
Such grants are only provided for positions such as senior executives, or speciality positions in the medical, technical or IT fields and even then there are annual quotas.

And dont even think about doing illegally either as there is no way you could be employed at the airport as you are subject to a 10 year FBI background check which includes verification of your immigration status.

While America is very much a land of opportunity (i'm a immigrant myself), you need something to contribute. So unless if you want to be a farm worker working illegally earning a pittance, suggest you stay in school, get a good degree along with work experience, and then you might be able to consider opportunities on this side of the pond.

Also, why is this topic in Civil Aviation?



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4251 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1642 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
Also, why is this topic in Civil Aviation?

He wants a job at LAX.



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User currently offlineBeany From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1625 times:



Quoting Brilondon (Reply 2):
You need more then just a visa. You must first apply for status in the U.S. and acquire a green card. Then you have to find an employer that is willing to sponsor you as a foreign worker.

Not true. I live and work in the US legally and don't have a Green Card. With a Green Card, the US is pretty much your oyster so you wouldn't need anyone willing to sponsor you for work as a foreign worker.
With a specific work visa, then you are tied to that employer and can only work for them.


User currently offlineIre2008 From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1599 times:

Yes I was looking to work in LAX, like just at any job really, just love the buzz of the airport, I kinda dont post alot here, so sorry if I posted in wrong area! How do you work legally but don't have a green card, may I ask? You dont have to answer if you dont wanna, Im just wondering! Dont mean that to sound bad r sarcastic.

Thanks, Kevin


User currently offlineBeany From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1586 times:



Quoting Ire2008 (Reply 11):
How do you work legally but don't have a green card,

I worked for an Investment bank in London and got transferred to the US through them.

You don't need a Green Card to work legally in the US. Two examples of visas that let you work without a Green Card are H1 and L1. However, they are hard to get and you have to be highly skilled in order to get one.

In your case you are better off looking at working at Heathrow or another big airport in Europe.
Your Irish passport opens up the whole of EU to you.


User currently offlineAK From United States of America, joined May 2006, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1539 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 5):
Firstly, you're obviously one of the great many out there that seem to think that it should be a breeze to just waltz into another country to live and work there. This is naive in the extreme and it is very rarely that easy.

Secondly, despite your crude conclusions (which to be honest are verging on offensive), work visas are not dished out in Ireland like smarties either. Stay at home and eduacate yourself a little bit more before trying to disappear off to live on the other side of the world.

Jeez! The kid just wants the opportunity to experience life beyond Ireland in the aviation industry! I agree that he needs to educate himself a bit more on the immigration facts of this country and line things up legally, but you don't have to be so rude to him! He comes to this site looking for a little advice and he gets flamed! Nice job!

[Edited 2008-09-03 16:48:36]

[Edited 2008-09-03 16:51:11]


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User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2080 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1509 times:

Looking at your age, if you are a University student, you would qualify for a J1 visa. Specifically, there are organizations in the US which would sponsor you for a work/travel program. This program is usually available during the summer months when school is out of session. You do not need to have a job lined up before coming to the U.S..

Looking for a job at an Airport might be tricky. An airline company probably would not hire you because they are looking for someone longer term. You might pick up a job at an airport working in the Service industry.



John@SFO
User currently offlineQ120 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

Ire2008,

I looked at doing the same thing, my uncle works in LA (he trains with UFC fighters) so I figured since im in Aviation Management what a great place to do my work term and just live with my uncle. So I checked every airport in his area including LAX. I found it to a be a real challenge and I was close to finding something at Southwest but that also didn't work out. I know that they do require you to be an American citizen, and I even had trouble being CDN.
I know that LAX and the regional airports in the area are owned and operated by the state so its tough getting in, and I was also told you have to write a test just to qualify for the position your applying for. Although Im not working there I did end up finding a job here in Canada at CYOW, but good luck... wish you the best!
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User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1480 times:



Quoting Q120 (Reply 15):
I know that LAX and the regional airports in the area are owned and operated by the state

Actually, LAX, ONT, PMD, and VNY are all operated by LAWA (Los Angeles World Airports) LAWA also owns some of them (atleast LAX), while others are owned by their respective municipalities.


User currently offlineSignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3007 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

I think your best bet would be to get some experience in the aviation / airport field first, at an airport in Ireland (eg. DUB, ORK, SNN...) If you stay there for a year or so and still want to work in aviation, but overseas, you've a few options:

- move to another EU country and apply for / get a job at an airport. One bonus is that you speak English, and another that you have experience. Other English speaking countries are of course the UK, but also Malta. But work there may be limited as it's a smallish airport!

- apply for a working holiday visa to a country that has such an agreement with Ireland. As a UK citizen, I had such a visa for Australia, but they also exist for New Zealand, Canada, South Africa... It's usually only valid for one year or two, but once there, if you like it you can then apply for residency.

- as people above have said, the USA is very difficult to get into, unless you have highly desired skills or have relatives already living there.

There's also the option of applying as cabin crew, there are plenty of airlines recruiting, but also lots of applicants. The Gulf airlines are often recruiting...

Hope this helps, and good luck in your chosen career!

signol



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User currently offlineAC888YOW From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 535 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1417 times:

Assuming an Obama victory, you could always go to the USA illegally and then follow his proposed 'pathway to citizenship'. Just acknowledge the wrong you've done, pay a fine, and then follow the process to obtain legal status. Perhaps this will become the easiest method to gain access to the USA in the future.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26534 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1404 times:



Quoting Brilondon (Reply 2):
You must first apply for status in the U.S. and acquire a green card.

You don't necessarily need a green card to work, rather a work visa. That said, for a 18 year old with no special skills, the best he can hope for is a visa to work as a camp counselor in a summer camp.

Quoting Brilondon (Reply 2):
You are not even of age in the U.S. which is 21.

Incorrect. The age of majority in this country is 18.

Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 16):
Actually, LAX, ONT, PMD, and VNY are all operated by LAWA (Los Angeles World Airports) LAWA also owns some of them (atleast LAX),

LAX, ONT and VNY are all owned by the City of Los Angeles, of which LAWA is an autonomous department. PMD is owned by the US Air Force and the passenger terminal operated by LAWA.

Quoting AC888YOW (Reply 18):
Assuming an Obama victory, you could always go to the USA illegally and then follow his proposed 'pathway to citizenship'.

Ya know, George Bush has the same idea.



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User currently offlineAC888YOW From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 535 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1396 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
Ya know, George Bush has the same idea.

I didn't know that, but it's not like it matters much considering his days are numbered. And just to be clear, my comment wasn't a politically-motivated jab (as it seems you may have taken it). I know exactly how challenging it is to gain work authorization in the United States, even as someone who is educated, skilled, and experienced. As such this policy has me quite curious.


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