N174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3315 times:
Quoting D L X (Thread starter): You just threw gasoline on a fire. This race is about to explode!
Wasn't that the whole point? She gave a GREAT speech tonight! Running a town and a state is very similar to running a business...managing resources within a budget (or surplus, in the case of Gov. Palin) and standing up to those who are not acting in the best of interest of the common good.
Blackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3288 times:
Fear mongering is a serious problem. Get people scared enough and they'll do anything -- how do you think after 9/11 people have more or less allowed so many of our rights to be taken away from us?
Blackbird BTW: I know a bunch of the forums conservatives will immediately jump me saying "name me one right that you've lost"? Since I've, in the past, answered these to any reasonable person's satisfaction, I will summarily ignore anybody asking this question.
N174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3222 times:
Quoting D L X (Reply 4): As long as you realize that the surplus of which you speak comes from your paying $4 a gallon at the pump.
No, that's not where their surplus came from. Alaska, and Gov. Palin, actually passed a windfall tax on the oil companies doing business there (unlike the hot air from Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid) and along with fiscally responsible budget cuts, such as selling the jet on eBay among others, created the surplus, which went back to the taxpayers. AS IT SHOULD BE.
Quoting Radarbeam (Reply 6): If that's the case then is it safe to assume she's going to run the US into the ground just like she did for her ''undeclared'' carwash business?
Here in the U.S., the Congress writes spending bills, which are then signed or vetoed by the President. Last time I heard, the Congress, led by your Democratic heroes Pelosi and Reid, aren't even close to getting a funding bill for the next budget year done. They're a long way from getting it to the President for signature, hoping that Obama will rubber-stamp it in January. Congress has what, a 9% approval rating? And the Democrats have had power for 2 years now....talk about "Nothing Accomplished"...
almost makes Hilary look like a whimp... (and I like Hilary)
When I ran for city council, I didn't need focus groups and voter profiles because I knew those voters, and knew their families, too.
Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of my hometown.
And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves.
I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities. I might add that in small towns, we don't quite know what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they are listening, and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren't listening.
And I've learned quickly, these past few days, that if you're not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone.
But here's a little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion; I'm going to Washington to serve the people of this country. Americans expect us to go to Washington for the right reasons, and not just to mingle with the right people.
While I was at it, I got rid of a few things in the governor's office that I didn't believe our citizens should have to pay for.
That luxury jet was over the top. I put it on eBay.
I also drive myself to work.
And I thought we could muddle through without the governor's personal chef - although I've got to admit that sometimes my kids sure miss her. I came to office promising to control spending - by request if possible and by veto if necessary.
we Americans need to produce more of our own oil and gas.
And take it from a gal who knows the North Slope of Alaska: we've got lots of both.
In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers.
And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change.
They're the ones whose names appear on laws and landmark reforms, not just on buttons and banners, or on self-designed presidential seals.
And though both Senator Obama and Senator Biden have been going on lately about how they are always, quote, "fighting for you," let us face the matter squarely.
There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for you ... in places where winning means survival and defeat means death
I've noticed a pattern with our opponent.
Maybe you have, too.
We've all heard his dramatic speeches before devoted followers.
And there is much to like and admire about our opponent.
But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform - not even in the state senate.
This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting, and never use the word "victory" except when he's talking about his own campaign. But when the cloud of rhetoric has passed ... when the roar of the crowd fades away ... when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot - what exactly is our opponent's plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet?
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
RedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4494 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3175 times:
Quoting D L X (Reply 4): When she decries energy independence, what she means is energy dependent on Alaska. So she can cut another check to Alaskans.
I'd rather see my hard-earned dollars lining Alaskan's pockets than the pockets of hostile countries.
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 12): It can be summarized as Palin saying: "Bring it on Mother F$&%#ers!"
Yep. I was a little tepid about her capabilities for the last few days. Not anymore. I'm going to sit back and really enjoy watching the forthcoming debates (assuming Barack Hussein Obama's team isn't too chicken to agree to debates).
Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 9): When CNN political correspondents say that she beat Joe Biden, you know there is a problem. The gloves are off!
Most of the cable news channel pundits were catatonic in their reactions. Without exception they all said it was a great political speech...then they fell over themselves grasping at straws trying to poke holes in her statements or how badly it will be received by the average American. (Of course, they have no clue because they are all far from being average or in touch with the typical American.) That idiot moron, Olberman, on MSNBC actually said something to the affect of, "I wonder if her comments are appropriate for outside of this convention." My jaw about hit the floor. Talk about being in the tank for Barack Hussein Obama! Where was this moron's comments about appropriateness when some of the speakers made crass remarks in Denver last week?
Our mission was accomplished in Iraq within DAYS....and furthe solified when another Hussein was captured and executed. John McCain was one of few (actually, the only) one who argued for the SURGE...we have now handed over control of Anbar province (the most violent) and the rest of Iraq is in far better shape now than it was 2 years ago.
Harry Reid gave up on America long ago...said the war was lost....gee...I sure don't hear him repeating those words today...do you?
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 22106 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3139 times:
Palin has an hour long interview on CNBC the day before her nomination, too. Not just a speech, but a sit down before she could reveal she was chosen. She came across as smart, funny, genuine and informed about various issues. It was a coup for CNBC, as they did not know about the nomination, and had gone up to Alaska to talk about energy policy. As soon as the nomination was announced, while everyone else was scrambling to find dirt about her to destroy her, CNBC had a real interview in the can to show…
Quoting N174UA (Reply 15): Here's a link to RealClearPolitics, which shows them all over the map...in one, Obama is up only 1 point, in another, he's up 9. Didn't the polls show Kerry winning big in 2004? Right.
Polls are biased by "adjusting" for those who identify themselves as one party or another. In general, more people identify themselves as Democrat, even though a Democrat hasn't gotten 50% of the vote in a Presidential election for a long time, even when the house and Senate were under Democrat control and gaining, not losing, members.
So if you take a poll and get 33% people claiming to be Democrat, 33% Republican, and 34% Independent/Undecided on party, the numbers get adjusted to make the Democrat responses more important, since the pollsters "know" that there are more Democrats, even if they don't identify themselves. They might weight the declared democrat responses at 40%, for example the declared Republicans at 33% or less, same for Independents. In this case, a Democrat vote for Obama would be counted as 1.25 votes, and the Republican for McCain would only count 0.9.
This tends to skew polls in the months leading to elections and make for wild variations, and then the race "tightens" as it gets to the election, because the pollsters have to start assuming that there aren't the same underrepresentations and overrepresentations, as close to the election, people are more likely to have made a choice, and if you say you aren't a democrat, by god, you may just be telling the truth!
Further, likely voters and registered voters are another trick. For whatever reason, the Democrat usually has higher numbers in the RV poll than the LV poll. It may be due to the various motor voter and community registration drives, where people who aren't likely to vote are registered anyway. These groups are generally less well off and registration drives are held in minority neighborhoods, two groups more likely to register as Democrat, but who have no interest in voting.
And then of course there are polls that ask race and gender, and adjust the value of your response based on historical breakdown and census data. In all of this, white males who don't claim to be part of a party get devalued. But on election day, their vote still counts as 1.
It's a dirty secret of polling, but it's how it works. And it explains why the Democrats always seem to have a larger lead in the summer than they do in the fall. It also explains the variability from poll to poll, depending on which trick(s) the pollster applies. The LA Times is notorious for skewing polls in Democrat favor using these "accepted" tricks. Doesn't change the election though (didn't keep Grey Davis in office, despite their numbers…)
Yet if pollsters used a different criteria for skewing the presidential polls, like "a Democrat hasn't gotten 50% of the votes since Carter in 1976, so we should skew the numbers down" the polls would read differently, and then in the fall, it would be the Democrat candidate who magically "catches up" in the final two weeks.
And yet if they didn't ask party at all, or gender or race, etc., it would still skew the polls as they don't know if they are getting a representative sample.
So it's why you have to take these polls with a grain of salt, but understand that the Republican always seems to catch up in the end.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
AirportSeven From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3104 times:
What I saw tonight was disgusting.
I watched two speeches that were nothing but empty rhetoric, lies, and mean-spirited personal attacks. Rudy Giuliani, hiding behind 9/11, the former mayor of New York mocking Chicago for being "cosmopolitan". Sarah Palin lying about saying no to the Bridge To Nowhere. Lying about having shrank the budget in Alaska. Notice how she said McCain was "interrogated" and not "tortured"? Both of them, and the entire audience laughing about as though being a "community organizer" was punch line to a joke. Barack Obama was helping communities and people in need when Sarah Palin was reading the 10 o'clock sports and participating in beauty pageants.
If Republicans want to turn their political theater into a childish version of professional wrestling, that's their business. But America deserves much better than the pandering, sneering, empty, mean-spirited display that went on tonight.
: That is my point exactly...When the Democrats took over the congress I was like well the Republicans deserved to lose it because they did a pretty po
: Of course, the other way to look at it is that Barack Hussein Obama was doing hard drugs while she was reading the 10 o'clock sports and participatin
: Keep drinking the kool aid dude.......They both have kudos and issues to deal with. Problem is one is running for President and one for Vice Presiden
: What mission? Locating the WMDs? Oh darn that's right there wasn't any.... Providing the Iraqis freedom and democracy, no, not really. The war was st
: And that is why America will vote McCain/Palin. They will clean up the political system in the US.
: Couldn't agree more...it was the best thing that could have happened to them, and it's a blessing in disguise. They can burn out the underbrush and s
: One thing: Palin makes the VP debate which I never watch, now a must watch. I just want to see her and Biden. This is about to turn into Palin vs Obam
: This is one of those rare cases where the mom looks better than the daughter. However, Bristol did look nice at the convention. I am keeping my finge
: Out of curiosity, did you get to choose your middle name at birth? Just curious.[Edited 2008-09-03 23:12:50]
: ..., but that just isn't the choice. Even using the most optimistic projections, Alaska only as enough oil to to reduce our import needs by a very sm
: How about when it was a soverign nation under Saddam? And for war and funding (borrowing from Saudi Arabia and China) but against any GI bill while w
: You know, the purpose of torture is to make someone answer a certain question using "force", but in the end it is an interrogation....just because sh
: Do any of you people ever listen to McCain's position on this issue. I swear you have selective hearing. You hear drill and tune everything else out.
: Al Gore is forever an idiot, including his fear-mongering about global warming. When I hear "fear mongering" I think of that. Incredible that a large
: I just have one question: have the Republicans always used country music to close these type of events? John Rich's music (whoever he is) had a happy
40 EA CO AS
: Nope. However, if my middle name were "Hitler" I'm pretty sure I'd have changed it by now, too...
: She seems a very nice person. Someone I'd like to take to High Tea. It's just a shame she's Republican.
: Do they serve high tea in your area?[Edited 2008-09-04 02:24:47]
: And Iraq is less sovereign now and worse off? You really don't believe that do you... http://ezinearticles.com/?Inside-Sad...y-Into-Pre-Invasion-Iraq
: What strikes me is that Miss Palin has never even visited Alaskas' big neighbour - Russia - in all the time she spent there.. In Europe it is common p
: Palin certainly brings a lot of energy and appeal to the ticket, but in seeing her speak, I really wondered if she'd be a good VP. Would other world
46 Stretch 8
: Very good speech, excellent delivery. I think this woman has brass balls and will stand up quite well to that phoney gas-bag Biden. Suggest she back o
: So was Nazi Germany, I guess we should have called Hitler and asked him nicely not to kill all those Jewish people..... You seemingly forget the inno
: She does, and she said it... here is the full quoto assocated with that one:
: Enjoy your morning dose of reality, friends. And remember, the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it. That's another heavily borrow page fro
: The most interesting part of the speech was in the news several days before the speech. The VP nominee speech was written about two weeks before the c
: The speech was written for her by the McCain camp before they had a final decision down on who to even choose as VP. http://voices.washingtonpost.com
: Sen. Biden was on Good Morning America this morning. He pointed out that Palin's speech didn't say one word about the problems with health care, the e
: McCain's approach was to force military to serve beyond their original enlistment in order to have the educational benefits in the Bush/McCain prefer
: Too bad you, or someone, had my original splendid reply deleted (I did notice you managed to take out the reference to me as "ignoramus" before yours
: More fact checking of the Palin speech. Needless to say, the facts differ greatly from the contents of her speech.
: As do the facts on any partisan speech delivered at a Convention...If you think the DNC speeches last week were "fair and balanced" then you are mist