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Palin Now Has A Speech  
User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11020 posts, RR: 52
Posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

just like she claims Obama has.

Congrats on a good speech (although we still don't know what makes you so great up in Alaska). But since YOU'VE taken your gloves off, get ready for the reprisals.

You just threw gasoline on a fire. This race is about to explode!


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User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2891 times:



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
You just threw gasoline on a fire. This race is about to explode!

Wasn't that the whole point? She gave a GREAT speech tonight! Running a town and a state is very similar to running a business...managing resources within a budget (or surplus, in the case of Gov. Palin) and standing up to those who are not acting in the best of interest of the common good.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2888 times:

I've only seen the pictures of her speech.
I must say it was a great speech, even though I didn't hear it.  Wink



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8876 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

She said some good things, but also still a ton of fear mongering.


"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11020 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2876 times:



Quoting N174UA (Reply 1):
.managing resources within a budget (or surplus, in the case of Gov. Palin)

As long as you realize that the surplus of which you speak comes from your paying $4 a gallon at the pump.

When she decries energy independence, what she means is energy dependent on Alaska. So she can cut another check to Alaskans.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29705 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2877 times:



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
You just threw gasoline on a fire. This race is about to explode!

The left-wingers have had a avgas pump on her for 3 days now.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
I've only seen the pictures of her speech.
I must say it was a great speech, even though I didn't hear it.

Your loss. It was an excellent speech.



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User currently offlineRadarbeam From Canada, joined Mar 2002, 1310 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

Quoting N174UA (Reply 1):
Running a town and a state is very similar to running a business

If that's the case then is it safe to assume she's going to run the US into the ground just like she did for her ''undeclared'' carwash business?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the...9/02/palin_scrubbing_car_wash.html

[Edited 2008-09-03 21:07:46]

User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2864 times:



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 3):
She said some good things, but also still a ton of fear mongering.

Nothing that the DNC wasn't full of, however both sides really need to talk issues not this partisan BS. I cringed at the Romney speech...

Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
As long as you realize that the surplus of which you speak comes from your paying $4 a gallon at the pump.

It essentially is given the composition of their economy. Still it's not a free license to waste money and she seems to get that.

I liked her comment "I got rid of the luxury jet.....I sold it on Ebay" LOL

As you said, she can deliver a good speech. We'll see about the rest in due time.


User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

PPVRA,

Fear mongering is a serious problem. Get people scared enough and they'll do anything -- how do you think after 9/11 people have more or less allowed so many of our rights to be taken away from us?


Blackbird
BTW: I know a bunch of the forums conservatives will immediately jump me saying "name me one right that you've lost"? Since I've, in the past, answered these to any reasonable person's satisfaction, I will summarily ignore anybody asking this question.


User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2858 times:

She brought down the house! When CNN political correspondents say that she beat Joe Biden, you know there is a problem. The gloves are off!

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29705 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2858 times:



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 7):
Nothing that the DNC wasn't full of

Did you hear Algores rant last week. It was all "If I had won in 2000" BS. The only thing he didn't bring up was Man-Bear-Pig



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User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2838 times:



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 8):
PPVRA,

Fear mongering is a serious problem. Get people scared enough and they'll do anything -- how do you think after 9/11 people have more or less allowed so many of our rights to be taken away from us?

If you think Fear Mongering is a predominately a Right Wing association cue the green nutjobs and the left who portray anyone with money as Evil and corporations as the demon incarnate of America...

It's not good politics, but it's a widely used tactic.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

To anyone who didnt see the speech ( CNN has a transcript)

It can be summarized as Palin saying: "Bring it on Mother F$&%#ers!"



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2798 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
As long as you realize that the surplus of which you speak comes from your paying $4 a gallon at the pump.

No, that's not where their surplus came from. Alaska, and Gov. Palin, actually passed a windfall tax on the oil companies doing business there (unlike the hot air from Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid) and along with fiscally responsible budget cuts, such as selling the jet on eBay among others, created the surplus, which went back to the taxpayers. AS IT SHOULD BE.

Quoting Radarbeam (Reply 6):
If that's the case then is it safe to assume she's going to run the US into the ground just like she did for her ''undeclared'' carwash business?

Here in the U.S., the Congress writes spending bills, which are then signed or vetoed by the President. Last time I heard, the Congress, led by your Democratic heroes Pelosi and Reid, aren't even close to getting a funding bill for the next budget year done. They're a long way from getting it to the President for signature, hoping that Obama will rubber-stamp it in January. Congress has what, a 9% approval rating? And the Democrats have had power for 2 years now....talk about "Nothing Accomplished"...


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2794 times:

Obama rises to 50% in Gallup poll, McCain down to 42%: http://www.gallup.com/poll/election2008.aspx

User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 14):
Obama rises to 50% in Gallup poll, McCain down to 42%: http://www.gallup.com/poll/election2....aspx

Registered voters or likely voters? Your result was from 9/2. Today, it's 49-43 in Obama's favor. And that will likely come back down after Palin and McCain speak tonight/tomorrow.

Here's a link to RealClearPolitics, which shows them all over the map...in one, Obama is up only 1 point, in another, he's up 9. Didn't the polls show Kerry winning big in 2004? Right.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo..._election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

[Edited 2008-09-03 21:50:47]

User currently offlineRadarbeam From Canada, joined Mar 2002, 1310 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2762 times:



Quoting N174UA (Reply 13):
And the Democrats have had power for 2 years now....talk about "Nothing Accomplished"...

Your right, unlike your ''hero''... Big grin  thumbsdown 



User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2761 times:

full transcript
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/03/palin.transcript/index.html

almost makes Hilary look like a whimp... (and I like Hilary)

Favorite quotes:

Quote:

When I ran for city council, I didn't need focus groups and voter profiles because I knew those voters, and knew their families, too.



Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of my hometown.

And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves.

I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities. I might add that in small towns, we don't quite know what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they are listening, and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren't listening.



And I've learned quickly, these past few days, that if you're not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone.

But here's a little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion; I'm going to Washington to serve the people of this country. Americans expect us to go to Washington for the right reasons, and not just to mingle with the right people.




While I was at it, I got rid of a few things in the governor's office that I didn't believe our citizens should have to pay for.

That luxury jet was over the top. I put it on eBay.

I also drive myself to work.

And I thought we could muddle through without the governor's personal chef - although I've got to admit that sometimes my kids sure miss her. I came to office promising to control spending - by request if possible and by veto if necessary.



we Americans need to produce more of our own oil and gas.

And take it from a gal who knows the North Slope of Alaska: we've got lots of both.



In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers.

And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change.

They're the ones whose names appear on laws and landmark reforms, not just on buttons and banners, or on self-designed presidential seals.



And though both Senator Obama and Senator Biden have been going on lately about how they are always, quote, "fighting for you," let us face the matter squarely.

There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for you ... in places where winning means survival and defeat means death

My favorite:

Quote:

I've noticed a pattern with our opponent.

Maybe you have, too.

We've all heard his dramatic speeches before devoted followers.

And there is much to like and admire about our opponent.

But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform - not even in the state senate.

This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting, and never use the word "victory" except when he's talking about his own campaign. But when the cloud of rhetoric has passed ... when the roar of the crowd fades away ... when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot - what exactly is our opponent's plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet?





Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4252 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2751 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
When she decries energy independence, what she means is energy dependent on Alaska. So she can cut another check to Alaskans.

I'd rather see my hard-earned dollars lining Alaskan's pockets than the pockets of hostile countries.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 12):
It can be summarized as Palin saying: "Bring it on Mother F$&%#ers!"

Yep. I was a little tepid about her capabilities for the last few days. Not anymore. I'm going to sit back and really enjoy watching the forthcoming debates (assuming Barack Hussein Obama's team isn't too chicken to agree to debates).

Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 9):
When CNN political correspondents say that she beat Joe Biden, you know there is a problem. The gloves are off!

Most of the cable news channel pundits were catatonic in their reactions. Without exception they all said it was a great political speech...then they fell over themselves grasping at straws trying to poke holes in her statements or how badly it will be received by the average American. (Of course, they have no clue because they are all far from being average or in touch with the typical American.) That idiot moron, Olberman, on MSNBC actually said something to the affect of, "I wonder if her comments are appropriate for outside of this convention." My jaw about hit the floor. Talk about being in the tank for Barack Hussein Obama! Where was this moron's comments about appropriateness when some of the speakers made crass remarks in Denver last week?



I'm not a racist...I hate Biden, too.
User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21126 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2729 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
As long as you realize that the surplus of which you speak comes from your paying $4 a gallon at the pump.

And the many more federal tax dollars flowing into Alaska than out of it.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2725 times:



Quoting Radarbeam (Reply 16):
Your right, unlike your ''hero''...

Our mission was accomplished in Iraq within DAYS....and furthe solified when another Hussein was captured and executed. John McCain was one of few (actually, the only) one who argued for the SURGE...we have now handed over control of Anbar province (the most violent) and the rest of Iraq is in far better shape now than it was 2 years ago.

Harry Reid gave up on America long ago...said the war was lost....gee...I sure don't hear him repeating those words today...do you?


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21419 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2715 times:

Palin has an hour long interview on CNBC the day before her nomination, too. Not just a speech, but a sit down before she could reveal she was chosen. She came across as smart, funny, genuine and informed about various issues. It was a coup for CNBC, as they did not know about the nomination, and had gone up to Alaska to talk about energy policy. As soon as the nomination was announced, while everyone else was scrambling to find dirt about her to destroy her, CNBC had a real interview in the can to show…

Quoting N174UA (Reply 15):
Here's a link to RealClearPolitics, which shows them all over the map...in one, Obama is up only 1 point, in another, he's up 9. Didn't the polls show Kerry winning big in 2004? Right.

Polls are biased by "adjusting" for those who identify themselves as one party or another. In general, more people identify themselves as Democrat, even though a Democrat hasn't gotten 50% of the vote in a Presidential election for a long time, even when the house and Senate were under Democrat control and gaining, not losing, members.

So if you take a poll and get 33% people claiming to be Democrat, 33% Republican, and 34% Independent/Undecided on party, the numbers get adjusted to make the Democrat responses more important, since the pollsters "know" that there are more Democrats, even if they don't identify themselves. They might weight the declared democrat responses at 40%, for example the declared Republicans at 33% or less, same for Independents. In this case, a Democrat vote for Obama would be counted as 1.25 votes, and the Republican for McCain would only count 0.9.

This tends to skew polls in the months leading to elections and make for wild variations, and then the race "tightens" as it gets to the election, because the pollsters have to start assuming that there aren't the same underrepresentations and overrepresentations, as close to the election, people are more likely to have made a choice, and if you say you aren't a democrat, by god, you may just be telling the truth!

Further, likely voters and registered voters are another trick. For whatever reason, the Democrat usually has higher numbers in the RV poll than the LV poll. It may be due to the various motor voter and community registration drives, where people who aren't likely to vote are registered anyway. These groups are generally less well off and registration drives are held in minority neighborhoods, two groups more likely to register as Democrat, but who have no interest in voting.

And then of course there are polls that ask race and gender, and adjust the value of your response based on historical breakdown and census data. In all of this, white males who don't claim to be part of a party get devalued. But on election day, their vote still counts as 1.

It's a dirty secret of polling, but it's how it works. And it explains why the Democrats always seem to have a larger lead in the summer than they do in the fall. It also explains the variability from poll to poll, depending on which trick(s) the pollster applies. The LA Times is notorious for skewing polls in Democrat favor using these "accepted" tricks. Doesn't change the election though (didn't keep Grey Davis in office, despite their numbers…)

Yet if pollsters used a different criteria for skewing the presidential polls, like "a Democrat hasn't gotten 50% of the votes since Carter in 1976, so we should skew the numbers down" the polls would read differently, and then in the fall, it would be the Democrat candidate who magically "catches up" in the final two weeks.

And yet if they didn't ask party at all, or gender or race, etc., it would still skew the polls as they don't know if they are getting a representative sample.

So it's why you have to take these polls with a grain of salt, but understand that the Republican always seems to catch up in the end.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2698 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 19):
Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
As long as you realize that the surplus of which you speak comes from your paying $4 a gallon at the pump.

And the many more federal tax dollars flowing into Alaska than out of it.

-Mir

Given the massive natural resources there, I'd say it's better than asking Hugo or Putin for oil or natural gas. I'd rather have my dollars going to Americans than Hugo, Putin, or the House of Saud..


User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4676 posts, RR: 48
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

Pretty good speech...

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
I've only seen the pictures of her speech.
I must say it was a great speech, even though I didn't hear it.

'fly - are you saying that you'd tag team mom and daughter, or you already have?? Wink



"Sing a song, play guitar, make it snappy..."
User currently offlineAirportSeven From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

What I saw tonight was disgusting.

I watched two speeches that were nothing but empty rhetoric, lies, and mean-spirited personal attacks. Rudy Giuliani, hiding behind 9/11, the former mayor of New York mocking Chicago for being "cosmopolitan". Sarah Palin lying about saying no to the Bridge To Nowhere. Lying about having shrank the budget in Alaska. Notice how she said McCain was "interrogated" and not "tortured"? Both of them, and the entire audience laughing about as though being a "community organizer" was punch line to a joke. Barack Obama was helping communities and people in need when Sarah Palin was reading the 10 o'clock sports and participating in beauty pageants.

If Republicans want to turn their political theater into a childish version of professional wrestling, that's their business. But America deserves much better than the pandering, sneering, empty, mean-spirited display that went on tonight.


25 Stratosphere : That is my point exactly...When the Democrats took over the congress I was like well the Republicans deserved to lose it because they did a pretty po
26 RedFlyer : Of course, the other way to look at it is that Barack Hussein Obama was doing hard drugs while she was reading the 10 o'clock sports and participatin
27 Stratosphere : Keep drinking the kool aid dude.......They both have kudos and issues to deal with. Problem is one is running for President and one for Vice Presiden
28 Radarbeam : What mission? Locating the WMDs? Oh darn that's right there wasn't any.... Providing the Iraqis freedom and democracy, no, not really. The war was st
29 L-188 : And that is why America will vote McCain/Palin. They will clean up the political system in the US.
30 N174UA : Couldn't agree more...it was the best thing that could have happened to them, and it's a blessing in disguise. They can burn out the underbrush and s
31 Tsaord : One thing: Palin makes the VP debate which I never watch, now a must watch. I just want to see her and Biden. This is about to turn into Palin vs Obam
32 Superfly : This is one of those rare cases where the mom looks better than the daughter. However, Bristol did look nice at the convention. I am keeping my finge
33 Flynavy : Out of curiosity, did you get to choose your middle name at birth? Just curious.[Edited 2008-09-03 23:12:50]
34 11Bravo : ..., but that just isn't the choice. Even using the most optimistic projections, Alaska only as enough oil to to reduce our import needs by a very sm
35 Seb146 : How about when it was a soverign nation under Saddam? And for war and funding (borrowing from Saudi Arabia and China) but against any GI bill while w
36 Speedbird741 : You know, the purpose of torture is to make someone answer a certain question using "force", but in the end it is an interrogation....just because sh
37 IAirAllie : Do any of you people ever listen to McCain's position on this issue. I swear you have selective hearing. You hear drill and tune everything else out.
38 MIAMIx707 : Al Gore is forever an idiot, including his fear-mongering about global warming. When I hear "fear mongering" I think of that. Incredible that a large
39 MIAMIx707 : I just have one question: have the Republicans always used country music to close these type of events? John Rich's music (whoever he is) had a happy
40 EA CO AS : Nope. However, if my middle name were "Hitler" I'm pretty sure I'd have changed it by now, too...
41 Singapore_Air : She seems a very nice person. Someone I'd like to take to High Tea. It's just a shame she's Republican.
42 Myt332 : Do they serve high tea in your area?[Edited 2008-09-04 02:24:47]
43 Post contains links MIAMIx707 : And Iraq is less sovereign now and worse off? You really don't believe that do you... http://ezinearticles.com/?Inside-Sad...y-Into-Pre-Invasion-Iraq
44 Beaucaire : What strikes me is that Miss Palin has never even visited Alaskas' big neighbour - Russia - in all the time she spent there.. In Europe it is common p
45 Revelation : Palin certainly brings a lot of energy and appeal to the ticket, but in seeing her speak, I really wondered if she'd be a good VP. Would other world
46 Stretch 8 : Very good speech, excellent delivery. I think this woman has brass balls and will stand up quite well to that phoney gas-bag Biden. Suggest she back o
47 Post contains links Sv7887 : So was Nazi Germany, I guess we should have called Hitler and asked him nicely not to kill all those Jewish people..... You seemingly forget the inno
48 RL757PVD : She does, and she said it... here is the full quoto assocated with that one:
49 Post contains links AirportSeven : Enjoy your morning dose of reality, friends. And remember, the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it. That's another heavily borrow page fro
50 Ken777 : The most interesting part of the speech was in the news several days before the speech. The VP nominee speech was written about two weeks before the c
51 Post contains links TUNisia : The speech was written for her by the McCain camp before they had a final decision down on who to even choose as VP. http://voices.washingtonpost.com
52 LTBEWR : Sen. Biden was on Good Morning America this morning. He pointed out that Palin's speech didn't say one word about the problems with health care, the e
53 Ken777 : McCain's approach was to force military to serve beyond their original enlistment in order to have the educational benefits in the Bush/McCain prefer
54 RedFlyer : Too bad you, or someone, had my original splendid reply deleted (I did notice you managed to take out the reference to me as "ignoramus" before yours
55 Post contains links AirportSeven : More fact checking of the Palin speech. Needless to say, the facts differ greatly from the contents of her speech.
56 Sv7887 : As do the facts on any partisan speech delivered at a Convention...If you think the DNC speeches last week were "fair and balanced" then you are mist
57 TUNisia : What wasn't factual?
58 AirportSeven : Your feigning of ignorance is cute, but it will only get you so far. It's because when you do it, it is done out of spite. You know that people who d
59 Sv7887 : Read the numerous commentaries on Mr. Obama's speech. Even the press admitted his shot at McCain not wanting to chase Bin Laden was completely wrong.
60 StuckInCA : I agree completely. The whole spectacle of the RNC last night was just sad. It was a bunch of out of touch old fear-mongering hawks having a giant ci
61 AirportSeven : b..b..b..but the Democrats! One of these days, and it is coming soon, the McCain/Palin ticket is going to be forced to come up with a reason, any rea
62 Post contains links Sv7887 : I think their pragmatic energy policy, allowing parents to chose the schools kids go to, a decent tax cut plan, and strong foreign policy are a good
63 Radarbeam : I didn't hear Obama or Biden using lies and made up facts during their speeches, unlike the GOP who uses those at ad nauseum, but hey, take that away
64 Seb146 : Hold on.... Hitler was invading soverign nations, too. There was a huge difference between Saddam and Hitler. Also, Saddam had hospitals and schools
65 Sv7887 : ROFL. Saddam attacked Israel during the Iraq war and INVADED IRAN AND KUWAIT. He gassed his OWN people with Chemical Weapons Secular my ass. It was S
66 Post contains links Sv7887 : http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_obama.html http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...8/28/ap/politics/main4390850.shtml http://www.
67 AirportSeven : Hey, man, I'm not crying today. I feel embarrassed that many of my fellow Americans think that empty rhetoric and mindless pandering passes as a legi
68 Sv7887 : What do you call an entire campaign run on "Change" by a inexperienced demagogue? A guy who rehashes Jimmy Carter's failed economic and diplomatic po
69 RedFlyer : You obviously have no clue and, clearly, you think I'm feigning ignorance when, in fact, I'm not. I've stated before that I DELIBERATELY use his midd
70 Post contains links Radarbeam : It's bad when the most honest name in news can only be found on a COMEDY network. Jon Stewart Annihilates Sarah Palin's Media Surrogates. http://ccins
71 StuckInCA : Sure you do. Because you think it's a bad thing and because the lowest common denominator people in our society will conjure images or Saddam and of
72 RedFlyer : I absolutely think his ties to his diversity could be a bad thing. Now that I've admitted that (and I have all along), I'd like to see you admit that
73 Daedaeg : If her intent was to galvanize the Republican base in her speech, she succeeded. But I think undecided voters are still left wondering if McCain croak
74 RedFlyer : If the undecided voters are that concerned about whether or not she can handle the job, they will have the same concerns about the top of the Dem tic
75 StuckInCA : I do. I hate it because it is indicative of the efforts by conservatives to conjure fear and hate. It is not common to refer to people with their mid
76 RedFlyer : Thank you.
77 AirportSeven : Ah, well, if you hold me in lower regard than anybody else here simply because of my opinions, then have this thread to yourself. Don't mention it.
78 Stretch 8 : Palin would be wise to stick to the issues where she is strong: energy (see her CNBC interview with Maria Bartimaro), reform in her state, and perhaps
79 MIAMIx707 : So essentially you're saying screw the lower or middle class then? Let them keep spending half of their paycheck on gasoline so they can barely get b
80 Speedbird741 : That shouldn't be hard at all, not even for a democrat....Maybe because McCain has more experience, leadership and honesty than Obama and Biden put t
81 Post contains links AirportSeven : Oh, really? The worst part about all of this is that these lies are all easily verifiable as being lies. Does the RNC think that everyone is gullible
82 Speedbird741 : You can't seriously believe the man said it a literal kind of way, and i didn't either..if that were true i don't think he would even be obama's runn
83 Sv7887 : Look at Huckabee's quote: "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States." Last
84 Post contains links BN747 : Palin Now Has A Speech ... ...just like she claims Obama has. One written by 'one former White House speechwriter Matthew Scully' http://www.electoral
85 AirportSeven : Oh, really? Down south we call this "crawfishing". Flap your little tails and back up as fast as you can. "You didn't think I was serious when I said
86 Sv7887 : Ummm you clearly did not hear the whole damn audience laughing at that, including Mr. Huckabee. And anyway, it's factually correct. Learn to read. Lo
87 Speedbird741 : Yes really....Maybe you should have heard all the laughs, including Huckabee's Oh you call that crawfishing and flaping wings....well i also call vot
88 Dc-9-10 : They have tried, but lets be honest no one can get anything with the slim majority, a hostile president in office, and a polarizing environment on th
89 11Bravo : Which views would those be? Whose interests do you suppose he might put first?
90 RedFlyer : Oh, I don't know...maybe the UN's???? That's just for starters...and it's a scary thought.
91 11Bravo : ...., so you don't really know, but maybe it's the UN? I've never heard him discuss the interests of the UN, have you? Come to think of it, what exac
92 RJdxer : The current Iraqi Constitution and government was freely voted on by the Iraqi people. How many Iraqis voted for the previous government and Constitu
93 Speedbird741 : Maybe you didn't understand but he was being ironic with the "i don't know"...at least that's the way i understood it....
94 RedFlyer : Spot on! It would not be outside the realm of possibility given his personality to see such a melt down by JB.
95 Post contains links 11Bravo : Perhaps you could point me to a better source, but as far as I can tell there is no appropriation of funds associated with the proposed Global Povert
96 Post contains images RedFlyer : Ah, I see. So just because it wasn't funded means my point has no argument? What about the fact that Barack Hussein Obama was sponsoring the bill and
97 11Bravo : I think you mean your argument has no point. In your now deleted statement, you said that the United States would be "required" to pay $850 billion o
98 Post contains links RedFlyer : I shouldn't have brought up the cost factor because I can see you're going to use it to distract from the original argument, which was that Barack Hu
99 AirportSeven : All of them. Guess who was counting the votes?
100 11Bravo : You shouldn't have brought up the cost factor because there isn't one. You still haven't presented any evidence that this bill somehow puts the inter
101 RedFlyer : That's debatable. I didn't say the bill does...I said Barack Hussein Obama might. But I can see you're not going to admit to anything...you play the
102 MIAMIx707 : Obama's media honeymoon is over. The train all of the sudden is out of gas... It was going 55 before, will they even get it back to running 45 ? The m
103 Oldeuropean : Outrageous double standarts!
104 Revelation : Oil dependence will also not end soon, but it will end, because the supply of oil is finite. As we get closer to that point, the cost of oil will jus
105 NIKV69 : " target=_blank>http://www.gallup.com/poll/election2....aspx Kerry was up quite a bit in the polls right before the election too. I think at this poi
106 YOWza : United States of Halliburton YOWza
107 Baroque : Sounds OK to me! Oh come on Rev, it might be two! True. There is an excellent thread in Aviation just at present. Mentions the T Boone Pickens initia
108 Post contains links Sv7887 : Now they are tied according to CBS.... http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...04/opinion/polls/main4416798.shtml I think this one goes down to the wi
109 RedFlyer : Most people don't see themselves as others do (I know I don't). If they did, no one would ever take offense at what someone else said (not that I too
110 Revelation : I can agree that all forms of communication especially online forums are far from perfect. Geez, I suppose I could have avoided the female pronoun by
111 RedFlyer : Nothing wrong with using the terms 'she' or 'her'. But why don't you back your comments up with some supportive statements? All you offered is nothin
112 Revelation : Given the context of this thread is Palin's speech, contrasting it to Obama's speech last week, it's pretty evident to me who will be taken seriously
113 Seb146 : Really? Even the Christians in Saddam's government? After Bush I pushed Saddam out of Kuwait, he had nothing. He had to get everyone orgainzed. Sunni
114 RedFlyer : You think so? Interesting how two different people can view the same event and come away with completely polar opposite interpretations of it. You co
115 RSWA330 : She did what she needed to do. She needed to prove she was tough and that she isn't afraid of a fight. Too many people thought she was going to crack
116 Beta : What policy? Can you cite specifics of his policy? 1. Iraq: this is the only issue that I can see his clearly taking a position with a specific polic
117 Revelation : Actually, not my boy. Undeniably true, but this just shows how McCain doesn't energize anyone. If he did, we wouldn't notice the contrast. It's kind
118 RedFlyer : No, you didn't play the sexist card. But what you did do is reveal that you value show over substance.
119 RSWA330 : I'm with the program. Sure the topic is about that speech. However, the question posed was how Obama will be taken seriously and Palin won't, eh?
120 StarAlliance38 : I loved Palin's Speech! Really re-inspired the American people and everybody else. Spunk from Alaska wooohoo!!!! Sarah Palin Rules!!!! Go Sarah!!!!!!!
121 MIAMIx707 : You cannot really believe that, as the normal homosapien I hope you are This has to be the only nation in the world that has the necessary resources
122 Speedbird741 : Exactly, jerks like him are the ones that took speculation into a whole other level....and look at how he profited out of all this comotion....here i
123 Baroque : Do spell out the details of your alternative. As I posted, Rev is probably incorrect, by ONE year. So do tell. Where does the oil (you obviously do n
124 Blackbird : Sv7887 That is true to an extent, people of both left and right wing use fear-mongering for their own purpose. However, right-wingers seem to more fre
125 MIAMIx707 : I'm not an expert and neither are you, but if you really want insight from someone knowledgeable you can listen to what John Hoffmeister (the ex-pres
126 Post contains links Baroque : As it happens I do work for most of the large oil companies. But apparently in your world working in the oil industry is not likely to provide the br
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