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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16829 posts, RR: 51
Posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

This is ridiculous, 600 people for a game?...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap?gid=280903128

There are places that no matter how far back the team is , how poorly they are playing, how bad the weather is will come out and support a Major League Baseball franchise. South Florida is obviously not the place. The Rays are doing great, and while they are not setting any records for attendance either they are better than the Marlins. Also I've seen the designs for the new semi-outdoor field the Rays are trying to get built and it looks beautiful.

I went to a Nationals game last month, it was at home in their brand new (first season in operation) stadium right in Washington DC. The whole area was undergoing redevelopment and it looked amazing, it's really going to be an awesome part of town to live, hang out, see a game etc.. It's a huge change for them from where they came from, Olympic Stadium in Montreal which I also got to visit. It's a shame they could no longer make it work in Montreal, however they have found a very strong fan base in Washington DC/ Northern Virginia.

The Marlins need to make a similar move, someplace where a baseball franchise would be valued more. Here's some places I feel would better support the Marlins franchise;

1.) Northern New Jersey: I would build a baseball stadium at the Meadowlands, plenty of room, a brand new NJ Transit rail line being built right from the sports complex to connect with Mid-Town Manhattan and Hoboken. New York historically had three teams, two National League (Dodgers, Giants) and one American League (Yankees). The New Jersey/ New York area can easily support three teams better than most places can support one.

2.) Memphis: Yes I know why Memphis, because it's historically had a strong baseball tradition in that part of the Country including Arkansas and Northern Mississippi.

3.) North Carolina (Preferably Raleigh/ Durham or Charlotte), again strong baseball tradition and distant from any other franchises.

4.) Orlando/ Lake Buena Vista: Incorporate it into the House of Mouse, or Universal.


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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2502 times:

What about North Dakota? or South Dakota?


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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16829 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2501 times:



Quoting September11 (Reply 1):
What about North Dakota? or South Dakota?

At this point I think Honolulu would be better.



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4382 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2483 times:



Quoting September11 (Reply 1):
What about North Dakota? or South Dakota?

Is that a serious comment?

Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):

At this point I think Honolulu would be better.

It would be cool to see a pro team in Hawaii...very doubtful though....especially with travel complications in this case.

Heres a short list of possible sites I would consider....
-San Juan, PR
-Charlotte
-Portland
-Las Vegas...ripe for a pro franchise, but i don't think MLB is it



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User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1562 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2480 times:

They just need a new stadium... and they are getting it.


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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2478 times:



Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):

This is ridiculous, 600 people for a game?...

That really sucks.But drives the message home to get the hell out Maimi.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 3):
San Juan, PR

Excellent suggestion.

Another,IMHO, is Indy.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21530 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2478 times:



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 3):
San Juan, PR

If you can get past the long travel times, I think this would be a great place for an MLB team.

-Mir



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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7125 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2474 times:



Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):
The Marlins need to make a similar move, someplace where a baseball franchise would be valued more. Here's some places I feel would better support the Marlins franchise;

Yea its called Little Havana.

I do find it pathetic that fans dont show up to the games. When I am in town I go to games not as much as maybe I should go etc but I go. After the Miami Heat the Marlins have to be my favourite sports team. But with the expection of the Dolphins and they even had some small crowds at least for Dolphin expectations last year, any team in Miami which does bad poorly will have bad attendance. 11,211 tickets where sold though people just did not show to this game because of the heat and it was in the middle of the workday. It is hot in Miami and its a weekday, weekday games in September should not be played in Miami thats for sure. The stadium is out in the suburbs away from any business area and there is no good mass transit to the stadium. School started so no kids can go who would go to this game? Yes I know the Cubs and Yankees and Red Sox would sell out this type of game but you have to look at the history of those teams and also locations of their stadiums. The Marlins need there new stadium in the Little Havana area near Downtown Miami. I wish they would put the stadium right on the bay in Downtown but they chosen the Orange Bowl site. They also Need a retractable dome. More people would show up for games if they knew they did not have to deal with heat index's in the 100's or the daily summer tropical downpours. Also dont forget there are alot of things to do in Miami every day. Unlike Kansas City or Pittsburgh.


I dont think the MLB wants the Marlins to leave a market like Miami. Its a international diverse world city. What the MLB needs is the Marlins to get a new stadium which is now under a judges decisions whether the people of Miami need to vote on the project or not because some big business man here in Miami who has nothing else to do with his time decided to sue the city. Hopefully this project which also includes two other very important city projects will just be passed by the judge and the city and Marlins can get started in building this stadium so the Marlins will be here to stay. If the Stadium does not go through I dont see the team staying here much longer. Where they would go is a huge question mark. I would say Memphis or North Carolina. But as long as the Marlins get the stadium the team will be in South Florida for many years to come.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2464 times:

There has always been a quiet speculation of a 2nd team for Boston... possibly a stadium build in the Foxboro complex where the Patriots play. NYC and CHI have two teams, Boston could conceivably use an NL team.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

The Marlins are going to get a new stadium in Downtown Miami that makes a lot more sense than sticking around a football stadium. That should really help drive attendance.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 3):

-Las Vegas...ripe for a pro franchise, but i don't think MLB is it

Vegas is not ripe for a franchise at all. Most of the population there is 1) transient or 2) transplanted and thus cheer for other teams.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 3):
-San Juan, PR
-Charlotte
-Portland

Portland is a little small. I like San Juan, though I think Mexico City would be an even better idea. Also, at some point, there has to be some talk about a team in the Dominican.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2446 times:



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 3):
Heres a short list of possible sites I would consider....
-San Juan, PR
-Charlotte
-Portland
-Las Vegas...ripe for a pro franchise, but i don't think MLB is it

What about San Antonio? When the Marlins a few years back started courting other cities, San Antonio really was laying on the charm. Salt Lake City was also mentioned several years back as well. Or heck, move them to Montreal (Hey current owner Jeff Loria is the former owner of the Expos.)  duck 

With the Marlins (along with the City of Miami and the Miami-Dade County gov't) being embroiled in a lawsuit by a local political gadfly over the public funding of the new Marlins ballpark as well as some other projects (This guy pretty much wants the Marlins to pay to build their own stadium instead of partially funding one with the taxpayers paying the bulk of the bill.), there's still a chance that they could be leaving South Florida after their lease is up at Dolphin Stadium (Their lease it up after the 2010 season, and from the way it sounds, the Dolphins don't sound too willing to extend that lease, especially if this gadfly is successful in his lawsuit.

If they move, it would be pretty easy to shift the division in which they play in. If they move to Charlotte or San Juan, no need to move divisions. Move to San Antonio, swap divisions with the Pirates. Move to SLC, Las Vegas (Considering MLB's stance on gambling, you've got some very long odds.), or Portland, move Pittsburgh to the NL East, Colorado to the NL Central, and put the Marlins in the NL West. Or something even more radical, put them in the AL West and as a result, both leagues will have 15 teams and to balance the NL East, move Pittsburgh there.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2441 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10):

What about San Antonio?

Texas already has two teams that aren't all that good and it is really a football state.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10):
Salt Lake City was also mentioned several years back as well.

SLC doesn't make sense for an MLB city. A touch small, already a bunch of MiLB teams in the area, and I don't think MLB wants another Colorado from a hitter's standpoint.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10):
(Hey current owner Jeff Loria is the former owner of the Expos.)

AFAIK, he ran them into the ground.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10):
Or something even more radical, put them in the AL West and as a result, both leagues will have 15 teams and to balance the NL East, move Pittsburgh there

Actually, there has been a lot of talk about moving the Diamondbacks to the AL West. It would put both West divisions in line with the others and provide a more competitive team for the Angels. It would also create a more natural regional rival for the Padres in interleague play.



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User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2433 times:



Quote:
They just need a new stadium... and they are getting it.

At the expense of the historic Orange Bowl. I am still pissed off at this. An American icon destroyed  Sad

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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2412 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
At this point I think Honolulu would be better.

 checkmark  I would support that but the travel times would kill their budget alone...

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 3):
-San Juan, PR

 no  Hurricane haven. Not feasible.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 3):
-Portland

The fan base in PDX is really strong for the Seattle Mariners regardless of how they are doing. So, no hope there... but then again, you never know....

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Vegas is not ripe for a franchise at all.

 checkmark  The NBA tried this with an All-Star game. It went great, IIRC, but the vibe was not really there. Most of the attendees were from out-of-state from what I have heard, so it failed.



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User currently offlineFlymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7125 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 2396 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Hurricane haven. Not feasible

And Miami does not have hurricanes? I dont see it working because first they would need to build a new stadium and the TV market would not very very profitable.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 2386 times:



Quoting Flymia (Reply 14):
I dont see it working because first they would need to build a new stadium and the TV market would not very very profitable.

I think nearly 4 million people in Puerto Rico is enough for the TV market.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 2372 times:



Quoting Flymia (Reply 14):

And Miami does not have hurricanes?

I didn't say that. I said was PR is hurricane haven. Think about it. They get more hurricanes than Miami does, normally PR gets hit first.



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User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2301 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 2364 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10):
This guy pretty much wants the Marlins to pay to build their own stadium instead of partially funding one with the taxpayers paying the bulk of the bill

You say that like it's a bad thing! We're in the middle of spending more than $1 billion in taxpayer money to build the Mets and Yankees new stadiums. Spending that kind of public money so that a group of multi-millionaires can make more money is worst kind of goverment "entitlement" program around. But that's an argument for a different thread.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10):
put them in the AL West and as a result, both leagues will have 15 teams and to balance the NL East, move Pittsburgh there

You can't have an odd number of teams in a league, it won't work. Either you have to have an interleague match up every day, or one team in each league doesn't play every day, which would kill weekend scheduling.



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User currently onlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2748 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 2358 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
The fan base in PDX is really strong for the Seattle Mariners regardless of how they are doing. So, no hope there... but then again, you never know....

That's actually a factor that favors PDX. The strong following MLB gets in Portland is a reason to put the city on the list. The fact that PDX has the highest ratings for televised MLB of any non-MLB city also plays in its favor.

I can think of two reasons why it won't happen though. First is corporate support. There are plenty of people to put butts in the seats, but there aren't enough large corporate headquarters to sell enough luxury boxes or get the kind of sponsorship necessary. Nike and Adidas can only put up so much money. The second is that I believe the Seattle Mariners would be against any proposal to bring Major League Baseball to Portland. Portlanders make up a decent portion of the fan base at Safeco, and I don't think the Mariners are going to want to lose those ticket sales.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 2354 times:



Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 18):

Put a team in PDX, the franchise in SEA would plummet. And ticket prices would go even higher like some teams in the NL. Thankfully, the Mariners ticket prices is currently among the cheapest in the league.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 18):
The second is that I believe the Seattle Mariners would be against any proposal to bring Major League Baseball to Portland.

 checkmark  That is why.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 2349 times:

Bring them to MCO. Theres plenty of opportunities.

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User currently offlineDukeofDashes From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

If the Marlins were to move (highly doubtful given the status of the new stadium), I think they would be best going off the board a little bit, and try a new, untapped market. MLB has a glaring hole in the South between Houston and Atlanta. Perhaps BHM might be the right untapped market that baseball needs. I realize BHM is small, may not have the almighty corporate dollars that teams want these days, but there is a certain benefit to being the only show in town. Look at how well the Spurs do in SAT being the only major sports team. MEM or BNA might also be potential untapped MLB markets.

South Florida just hasn't worked, the team hasn't shown interest in keeping fans (based on the fire sales of both World Series teams the next year), and the fans haven't shown the interest in the team.

I don't know if the new stadium is a done deal or not, but I think it would be best to just find a new city and pretend like this experiment didn't happen.


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16829 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2324 times:



Quoting DukeofDashes (Reply 21):
MLB has a glaring hole in the South between Houston and Atlanta. Perhaps BHM might be the right untapped market that baseball needs. I realize BHM is small, may not have the almighty corporate dollars that teams want these days, but there is a certain benefit to being the only show in town.

I agree, I think Memphis fills the gap perfectly. Also there's a decent corporate presence in the Memphis area (FedEx, Auto Zone, International paper) that would be good advertisers and perhaps buy some luxury boxes.



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User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2732 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2311 times:



Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):
New York historically had three teams, two National League (Dodgers, Giants) and one American League (Yankees).


I know dick about Baseball but I'm pretty sure the NY Giants play something else !

Mets surely.



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4382 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2305 times:



Quoting Pacificjourney (Reply 23):

I know dick about Baseball but I'm pretty sure the NY Giants play something else !

The New York Giants baseball club moved to San Francisco in the late 50's, along with the Brooklyn Dodgers moving to Los Angeles. Before the move, there were 3 New York teams..the Mets came along later.



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25 STT757 : There were two sports franchises in New York called the Giants Football Giants Baseball Giants The Football Giants (they are still refered to that in
26 DukeofDashes : I think Astros fans would beg to differ, considering they were in the World Series three years ago and usually give the division title an honest run.
27 STT757 : The Houston Astros have a strong fan base, it's a great franchise. The local corporations also support the team, they own much of those luxury boxes a
28 N1120A : Remember that it was the Dodgers' idea to move first. They are absolute junk now. The Rangers have been below .500 in 8 of the last 10 seasons. That
29 N174UA : Judging by your route map in your portfolio, you've never been to Portland! The media market is approximately 3m, when you factor in the entire metro
30 N1120A : I have been, but I went by train, not plane. I think Portland is a great city. Beautiful scenery, vibrant cultural scene and one of the best jobs of
31 DukeofDashes : Considering they just swept the Cubs at Wrigley, are 8 games above .500 and still have a slim chance at a wild card spot, calling them "junk" now is
32 JpetekYXMD80 : When did I say it wasn't? Anyways, that is completely irrelevant to any point being made. If 74-66 is complete junk, give us your take on the Dodgers
33 N1120A : I didn't say cheap, I said poorly run. The Twins are cheap but extremely well run. Who cares? Under .500 is bad The 'stros have a 1.2% chance of maki
34 JpetekYXMD80 : Who cares? They have been scorching hot lately. They're better than any team in the NL west right now. Luck of the draw, theyre in the wrong division
35 DukeofDashes : But certainly not junk. The DBacks added Eckstein and Dunn. The Dodgers are sub .500 since getting Manny. I'd say the Astros have a better chance of
36 N1120A : It isn't even close. The Dodgers have a better than 35% chance based on their current place in the standings to make the playoffs, while the Astros a
37 Mir : What would be so bad about that? -Mir
38 MIAMIx707 : The Orlando area would be a great place to move the Marlins to, and you keep them in Florida. I agree with you there, they need to make a stadium clo
39 N1120A : The problem with Orlando is that Disney would need to be involved, and they wanted out of the sports business so bad that they sold the Angels for 1/
40 MIAMIx707 : but the Orlando NBA team isn't involved with Disney, why would the Marlins?
41 N1120A : It is a bit different with the NBA where you only need to sell 17-20k tickets for half as many games. MLB teams really need at least 35,000 (if not m
42 JpetekYXMD80 : I'm still waiting to hear how the Astros are 'absolute junk'.
43 Continental : How about Indianapolis? They have a big enough city to support a major league baseball team, and their football team proves they have dedicated fans.
44 Texan : I agree with Alireza. I think three of the best places for a new franchise would be San Juan, Santo Domingo, and a city in Mexico. Not sure if Mexico
45 STT757 : Good idea, but you should also set up a Japanese, Taiwan, Korean league.
46 FlyMIA : I agree with you there. The Orange Bowl was a great place I loved going to games there. But look at Yankee stadium they are even knocking that thing
47 Mir : I went to a Yankees game against Kansas City this year. It was absolutely pouring from an hour and a half before the game until about a half hour aft
48 N1120A : Dodger Stadium straddles the L.A. Basin (little smog) and the San Fernando Valley (mucho smog) and it is an icon. Further, I suggested Mexico City be
50 TWFirst : Actually, that's not true. The blue/white/orange colors of the Mets, as well as the Knicks, and the New York City flag, are New York's official color
51 N1120A : Imagine what their record would be if they hadn't had so many major injuries. Oh, and I am not saying the Dodgers haven't made some stupid (Andruw Jo
52 United_Fan : Not to mention it would have to be an indoor stadium.
53 N1120A : Cashman Field is an outdoor facility. That said, I am sure they would do something like the BOB/Chase Field in Phoenix.
54 AirframeAS : Why? If the Diamondbacks (sort of...) and the Cardinals played outdoors, so can any team in LAS.
55 Texan : I think Monterrey fits better in the mix simply because they have been through the process before. MLB took a look at moving the Expos there, the peo
56 N1120A : The oxygen was more because of the altitude than anything. The main issue at Coors isn't the altitude so much as it is the dry air. If Mexico City is
57 Post contains links Moose135 : Where did you hear that? I've been a Met fan since 1969, and I've never heard that, but rather that the colors are symbolic of the Giants and Dodgers
58 MIAMIx707 : I really think Orlando would be a good city for MLB. Plenty of space and nice areas to build the stadium (assuming they couldn't use the Citrus Bowl)
59 TWFirst : ??? I'm confused why you're confused... the quote you cite from the Mets website confirms what I said: From the Mets website quote, I do now see the
60 AirframeAS : But you gotta admit, it did kinda make sense though...
61 N1120A : Orlando is, at the largest, a medium sized market. The metro area is less than half the size of Miami, isn't as affluent and doesn't have the same La
62 FlyMIA : And I would imagine Miami still has alot more transplanted Northerners than Orlando. Everyone in Miami is either from a Latin America country, Europe
63 STT757 : I know they are the colors on the State flag, but honestly do you think they had that in mind or was this new National League start up paying homage
64 UltimateDelta : Same problem.
65 N1120A : Mostly because Rachel Robinson is still based in New York and is very close to the Wilpon family. The 60th anniversary took place at Dodger Stadium.
66 TylerDurden : Send them to Dubai. They'll build the world biggest, seven star (self proclaimed, of course) stadium for them.
67 DukeofDashes : Not to mention relief pitchers will get paid $30 million a season.
68 TylerDurden : Yes...and live on the QE2.
69 MIAMIx707 : But you don't live in florida to get a good feel about it, and consequently missed the point that the Heat don't have anywhere the local following th
70 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : you imagine... well your imagination is, wrong Europe or New York?, really... FlyMIA, anyone who's lived in both areas can tell you Orlando proportio
71 Steeler83 : If there is any team that should move out, it would have to be the Pirates IMO! Come on! SIXTEEN STAIGHT SEASONS OF LOSS AFTER LOSS?!!! They are path
72 Flymia : Well I never spent much time in the greater Orlando area but I can agree with this. Obviously the Heat have more fans since Miami is a bigger city. O
73 MIAMIx707 : I don't know if you were in Miami during the 90s but I'd actually see more Magic Penny jerseys alone, then I ever saw Heat ones. You can judge the am
74 FlyMIA : Miami has an under 18 curfew too 11pm for 16 and under 1am for 17 and under. But it is rarely enforced by any police department. Well Miami also has
75 FlyDeltaJets87 : I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you but the question in Orlando is what percentage of the local market (that is anyone in the Orlando area at a
76 Whappeh : As a resident of Orlando, I can tell you that nobody will care about a baseball team here. The only chance they'd ever have to win over the home crow
77 MIAMIx707 : If one goes to Miami Beach/Bayside or the Grove-which is lately lame for nightlife- one has covered about 95% of the nightlife in Miami. Orlando's Ho
78 Whappeh : I'd say its a pretty solid opinion. I mean, don't get me wrong. If we had a baseball team, would I go to a few games a year? Yeah, of course. However
79 FlyMIA : There is a club which is busy every night on South Beach you just need to know which one to go to on which day. I would not call Bayside a night life
80 N1120A : Remember that Jacksonville, despite being Florida's largest city, is a rather small market because the city essentially makes up the entire metro. I
81 FlyDeltaJets87 : Define "an hour". In Orlando, "an hour" can be "5 or 10 miles". I'm sure the same effect is true in Tampa for the Rays though. I'm sure there are fan
82 N1120A : Not to mention that many teams do a day game on Thursdays. The one advantage baseball has is the price of the tickets, which is much better than in o
83 MSYtristar : I don't think New Orleans could feasibly support a MLB team. 162 games would be too many for the size of the metro area, imo. The city already has NFL
84 STT757 : My thought is this, if you put the Stadium in the Lake Buena Vista, International Drive or near Universal you can draw from two areas. 1.) Of course
85 FlyMIA : Soccer is popular in Miami since 59% of its population is foreign born with many people from Haiti, Columbia etc.. But lets not forget that Cubans lo
86 MIAMIx707 : Latin America's sport. America's past time would no doubt have a great home in a large metro area like Orlando, the only negative argument against it
87 MAH4546 : Nikki Beach for one - Sunday is their biggest night. I can't believe you are trying to argue something so stupid. There are more things to do in Miam
88 DukeofDashes : I wouldn't use that as part of your pro-Orlando argument. You'd have a better chance if you dropped the trivia bit of about 30% of PGATour golfers li
89 N1120A : The biggest sport in the Dominican Republic is baseball. The biggest support in Cuba is baseball. Baseball is the biggest game in the Caribbean and h
90 Cadet985 : I don't know how true it is, but I had once heard that there will never be a professional team in Vegas because of all the gambling. I had heard this
91 N1120A : Well, there are pro teams in Vegas, just not at the highest level. You are, however, right about the gambling stuff, particularly with MLB. San Juan
92 Csavel : Mexico City yes. Sadly the DR isn't wealthy enough to consistently fill a MLB stadium - especially the expensive sky boxes. I know there are wealthy
93 N1120A : Oh, I agree completely. Not to mention that a domed stadium would help with regular wet weather. Actually, the Dodgers' colors are blue, white and re
94 STT757 : I live in New Jersey, trust me the NYC market could support three baseball teams. They already did, plus they already support three NHL franchises (D
95 JpetekYXMD80 : NYC could definitely support 3 teams based on population and interest in baseball, but what about practical purposes? Die hard Mets and Yankees fans
96 SW733 : I have to disagree with this. NY is #1 largest metro area, LA #2, Chicago #3...all 3 have two teams each. After that you have Dallas, Philly, Houston
97 RayChuang : What the Marlins really need is a true retractable roof baseball park akin to Minute Maid Field in Houston, TX, as someone has suggested. That way, yo
98 STT757 : There's a really good team (the Angels) in Anaheim not too far from there. Back to my original point. 1.) Northern New Jersey can definately support
99 MIAMIx707 : Not compared to LA, but it's large. In fact I can compare it to Miami, just nowhere as crowded. In Mexico it isn't huge, I don't know where you get t
100 FlyMIA : Port and Airport are ran and operated by the County of Miami-Dade not the city. Miami metro 5,413,212 7th in the US Orlando Metro 2,032,496 now yes o
101 MIAMIx707 : You're into something. Orlando has had an NBA team and from a casual interaction with many fans one gets the impression Orlando fans aren't the most
102 JpetekYXMD80 : Oh, well in that case!! If a career 4.8 ppg scorer that I haven't heard of in 5 years lives there...say no more!
103 Alias1024 : No. Rays are too close, population won't show up to watch it (20 somethings are too cool for baseball, retirees are on the golf course or oxygen, and
104 MIAMIx707 : He probably averaged more hard fouls than points lol, but was actually more decent than his numbers show. and why not? While we're it let's mention s
105 N1120A : It isn't anywhere near Miami in metro population. Lets see. The massive success and great history of the Mexican League, the Mexican Pacific League,
106 MSYtristar : MEM could never support both NBA and MLB. Not a chance. They have a hard enough time filling up the FedEx Forum to half its capacity during Grizzlies
107 N1120A : The other issue with MLB is that it requires filling a lot more seats. The smallest MLB stadia are about twice the size of the largest NBA arenas.
108 FlyMIA : Your not really going to try to say Orlando is a great place to live beacause some famous people live there. If that was the case Miami would be an A
109 MIAMIx707 : It's not a secret than Futbol, Boxing and even Basketball have much more fans than Baseball there, it doesn't matter if the have 1 or 2 leagues. you
110 Csavel : I don't know what is bigger, but baseball is a big sport in Mexico. Probably less that soccer (football) but more than basketball. They have the Mexi
111 N1120A : You are completely wrong. MAYBE Boxing, but even then probably not.
112 RL757PVD : One of those cities with 1 team had 600 fans at a game recently, while Boston, you have to pay $80 for bleacher seats if you want to go to a game. No
113 FlyMIA : I'm not saying Orlando cant be a nice place to live. I'm sure its fine. But to make it seem like alot of celebrity's live in Orlando, come on. Just b
114 N1120A : Remember that they actually sold more than 11,000 seats (still not a good number) for that game. It was just that 600 showed up, which really didn't
115 MIAMIx707 : None of the Mexicans that I met remotely care about Baseball, but I'm sure there are certain areas where Baseball might be popular and as large as so
116 N1120A : Living in the place with the largest Mexican population outside of Mexico, I can tell you that baseball is huge. A major chunk of the fan support for
117 RL757PVD : Even here in ATL ..99% of the time i can buy tickets for $5 the day of the game... you'd need about 10 fenways before it ever got that low up there..
118 Allstarflyer : Ali is spot-on about baseball in Texas. Personally, I hate that the MLB expanded so much in the last 2 decades - removing 1 team entirely at least wo
119 N1120A : Not really. Price is more a function of what the market is willing to pay when it comes to sports, unlike oil or something like that. Bostonians 1) l
120 Seb146 : Yes, there is a fan base for the Mariners. However, the Portland Beavers only seem to pack PGE Park on Thursty Thursdays (cheap beer) and on opening
121 N1120A : The MLS does make sense for multiple reasons. One, they require smaller, less expensive stadiums. Two, there is tons of fan support there.
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