There are places that no matter how far back the team is , how poorly they are playing, how bad the weather is will come out and support a Major League Baseball franchise. South Florida is obviously not the place. The Rays are doing great, and while they are not setting any records for attendance either they are better than the Marlins. Also I've seen the designs for the new semi-outdoor field the Rays are trying to get built and it looks beautiful.
I went to a Nationals game last month, it was at home in their brand new (first season in operation) stadium right in Washington DC. The whole area was undergoing redevelopment and it looked amazing, it's really going to be an awesome part of town to live, hang out, see a game etc.. It's a huge change for them from where they came from, Olympic Stadium in Montreal which I also got to visit. It's a shame they could no longer make it work in Montreal, however they have found a very strong fan base in Washington DC/ Northern Virginia.
The Marlins need to make a similar move, someplace where a baseball franchise would be valued more. Here's some places I feel would better support the Marlins franchise;
1.) Northern New Jersey: I would build a baseball stadium at the Meadowlands, plenty of room, a brand new NJ Transit rail line being built right from the sports complex to connect with Mid-Town Manhattan and Hoboken. New York historically had three teams, two National League (Dodgers, Giants) and one American League (Yankees). The New Jersey/ New York area can easily support three teams better than most places can support one.
2.) Memphis: Yes I know why Memphis, because it's historically had a strong baseball tradition in that part of the Country including Arkansas and Northern Mississippi.
3.) North Carolina (Preferably Raleigh/ Durham or Charlotte), again strong baseball tradition and distant from any other franchises.
4.) Orlando/ Lake Buena Vista: Incorporate it into the House of Mouse, or Universal.
FlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7471 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 2971 times:
Quoting STT757 (Thread starter): The Marlins need to make a similar move, someplace where a baseball franchise would be valued more. Here's some places I feel would better support the Marlins franchise;
Yea its called Little Havana.
I do find it pathetic that fans dont show up to the games. When I am in town I go to games not as much as maybe I should go etc but I go. After the Miami Heat the Marlins have to be my favourite sports team. But with the expection of the Dolphins and they even had some small crowds at least for Dolphin expectations last year, any team in Miami which does bad poorly will have bad attendance. 11,211 tickets where sold though people just did not show to this game because of the heat and it was in the middle of the workday. It is hot in Miami and its a weekday, weekday games in September should not be played in Miami thats for sure. The stadium is out in the suburbs away from any business area and there is no good mass transit to the stadium. School started so no kids can go who would go to this game? Yes I know the Cubs and Yankees and Red Sox would sell out this type of game but you have to look at the history of those teams and also locations of their stadiums. The Marlins need there new stadium in the Little Havana area near Downtown Miami. I wish they would put the stadium right on the bay in Downtown but they chosen the Orange Bowl site. They also Need a retractable dome. More people would show up for games if they knew they did not have to deal with heat index's in the 100's or the daily summer tropical downpours. Also dont forget there are alot of things to do in Miami every day. Unlike Kansas City or Pittsburgh.
I dont think the MLB wants the Marlins to leave a market like Miami. Its a international diverse world city. What the MLB needs is the Marlins to get a new stadium which is now under a judges decisions whether the people of Miami need to vote on the project or not because some big business man here in Miami who has nothing else to do with his time decided to sue the city. Hopefully this project which also includes two other very important city projects will just be passed by the judge and the city and Marlins can get started in building this stadium so the Marlins will be here to stay. If the Stadium does not go through I dont see the team staying here much longer. Where they would go is a huge question mark. I would say Memphis or North Carolina. But as long as the Marlins get the stadium the team will be in South Florida for many years to come.
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RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4847 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 2961 times:
There has always been a quiet speculation of a 2nd team for Boston... possibly a stadium build in the Foxboro complex where the Patriots play. NYC and CHI have two teams, Boston could conceivably use an NL team.
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Srbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 2943 times:
Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 3): Heres a short list of possible sites I would consider....
-San Juan, PR
-Las Vegas...ripe for a pro franchise, but i don't think MLB is it
What about San Antonio? When the Marlins a few years back started courting other cities, San Antonio really was laying on the charm. Salt Lake City was also mentioned several years back as well. Or heck, move them to Montreal (Hey current owner Jeff Loria is the former owner of the Expos.)
With the Marlins (along with the City of Miami and the Miami-Dade County gov't) being embroiled in a lawsuit by a local political gadfly over the public funding of the new Marlins ballpark as well as some other projects (This guy pretty much wants the Marlins to pay to build their own stadium instead of partially funding one with the taxpayers paying the bulk of the bill.), there's still a chance that they could be leaving South Florida after their lease is up at Dolphin Stadium (Their lease it up after the 2010 season, and from the way it sounds, the Dolphins don't sound too willing to extend that lease, especially if this gadfly is successful in his lawsuit.
If they move, it would be pretty easy to shift the division in which they play in. If they move to Charlotte or San Juan, no need to move divisions. Move to San Antonio, swap divisions with the Pirates. Move to SLC, Las Vegas (Considering MLB's stance on gambling, you've got some very long odds.), or Portland, move Pittsburgh to the NL East, Colorado to the NL Central, and put the Marlins in the NL West. Or something even more radical, put them in the AL West and as a result, both leagues will have 15 teams and to balance the NL East, move Pittsburgh there.
Texas already has two teams that aren't all that good and it is really a football state.
Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10): Salt Lake City was also mentioned several years back as well.
SLC doesn't make sense for an MLB city. A touch small, already a bunch of MiLB teams in the area, and I don't think MLB wants another Colorado from a hitter's standpoint.
Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10): (Hey current owner Jeff Loria is the former owner of the Expos.)
AFAIK, he ran them into the ground.
Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10): Or something even more radical, put them in the AL West and as a result, both leagues will have 15 teams and to balance the NL East, move Pittsburgh there
Actually, there has been a lot of talk about moving the Diamondbacks to the AL West. It would put both West divisions in line with the others and provide a more competitive team for the Angels. It would also create a more natural regional rival for the Padres in interleague play.
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Moose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2720 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 2861 times:
Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10): This guy pretty much wants the Marlins to pay to build their own stadium instead of partially funding one with the taxpayers paying the bulk of the bill
You say that like it's a bad thing! We're in the middle of spending more than $1 billion in taxpayer money to build the Mets and Yankees new stadiums. Spending that kind of public money so that a group of multi-millionaires can make more money is worst kind of goverment "entitlement" program around. But that's an argument for a different thread.
Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10): put them in the AL West and as a result, both leagues will have 15 teams and to balance the NL East, move Pittsburgh there
You can't have an odd number of teams in a league, it won't work. Either you have to have an interleague match up every day, or one team in each league doesn't play every day, which would kill weekend scheduling.
Alias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2904 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 2855 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13): The fan base in PDX is really strong for the Seattle Mariners regardless of how they are doing. So, no hope there... but then again, you never know....
That's actually a factor that favors PDX. The strong following MLB gets in Portland is a reason to put the city on the list. The fact that PDX has the highest ratings for televised MLB of any non-MLB city also plays in its favor.
I can think of two reasons why it won't happen though. First is corporate support. There are plenty of people to put butts in the seats, but there aren't enough large corporate headquarters to sell enough luxury boxes or get the kind of sponsorship necessary. Nike and Adidas can only put up so much money. The second is that I believe the Seattle Mariners would be against any proposal to bring Major League Baseball to Portland. Portlanders make up a decent portion of the fan base at Safeco, and I don't think the Mariners are going to want to lose those ticket sales.
It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems with just potatoes.
Put a team in PDX, the franchise in SEA would plummet. And ticket prices would go even higher like some teams in the NL. Thankfully, the Mariners ticket prices is currently among the cheapest in the league.
Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 18): The second is that I believe the Seattle Mariners would be against any proposal to bring Major League Baseball to Portland.
That is why.
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DukeofDashes From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 2827 times:
If the Marlins were to move (highly doubtful given the status of the new stadium), I think they would be best going off the board a little bit, and try a new, untapped market. MLB has a glaring hole in the South between Houston and Atlanta. Perhaps BHM might be the right untapped market that baseball needs. I realize BHM is small, may not have the almighty corporate dollars that teams want these days, but there is a certain benefit to being the only show in town. Look at how well the Spurs do in SAT being the only major sports team. MEM or BNA might also be potential untapped MLB markets.
South Florida just hasn't worked, the team hasn't shown interest in keeping fans (based on the fire sales of both World Series teams the next year), and the fans haven't shown the interest in the team.
I don't know if the new stadium is a done deal or not, but I think it would be best to just find a new city and pretend like this experiment didn't happen.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 17270 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 2821 times:
Quoting DukeofDashes (Reply 21): MLB has a glaring hole in the South between Houston and Atlanta. Perhaps BHM might be the right untapped market that baseball needs. I realize BHM is small, may not have the almighty corporate dollars that teams want these days, but there is a certain benefit to being the only show in town.
I agree, I think Memphis fills the gap perfectly. Also there's a decent corporate presence in the Memphis area (FedEx, Auto Zone, International paper) that would be good advertisers and perhaps buy some luxury boxes.
JpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4569 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 2802 times:
Quoting Pacificjourney (Reply 23):
I know dick about Baseball but I'm pretty sure the NY Giants play something else !
The New York Giants baseball club moved to San Francisco in the late 50's, along with the Brooklyn Dodgers moving to Los Angeles. Before the move, there were 3 New York teams..the Mets came along later.
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: There were two sports franchises in New York called the Giants Football Giants Baseball Giants The Football Giants (they are still refered to that in
: I think Astros fans would beg to differ, considering they were in the World Series three years ago and usually give the division title an honest run.
: The Houston Astros have a strong fan base, it's a great franchise. The local corporations also support the team, they own much of those luxury boxes a
: Remember that it was the Dodgers' idea to move first. They are absolute junk now. The Rangers have been below .500 in 8 of the last 10 seasons. That
: Judging by your route map in your portfolio, you've never been to Portland! The media market is approximately 3m, when you factor in the entire metro
: I have been, but I went by train, not plane. I think Portland is a great city. Beautiful scenery, vibrant cultural scene and one of the best jobs of
: Considering they just swept the Cubs at Wrigley, are 8 games above .500 and still have a slim chance at a wild card spot, calling them "junk" now is
: When did I say it wasn't? Anyways, that is completely irrelevant to any point being made. If 74-66 is complete junk, give us your take on the Dodgers
: I didn't say cheap, I said poorly run. The Twins are cheap but extremely well run. Who cares? Under .500 is bad The 'stros have a 1.2% chance of maki
: Who cares? They have been scorching hot lately. They're better than any team in the NL west right now. Luck of the draw, theyre in the wrong division
: But certainly not junk. The DBacks added Eckstein and Dunn. The Dodgers are sub .500 since getting Manny. I'd say the Astros have a better chance of
: It isn't even close. The Dodgers have a better than 35% chance based on their current place in the standings to make the playoffs, while the Astros a