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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2502 times:

Say it isn't so! With the failure of Planet Hollywood on 6th and Pike in Seattle, now Hard Rock might open in Seattle. What makes Hard Rock think that they can do well in Seattle when Planet Hollywood couldn't. Planet Hollywood was also going to open a All-Star Cafe near Safeco Field, but that never materialized.

The new Hard Rock Cafe would open a block and a half from Pike Place Market, between 1st and 2nd Avenues (A ghetto area at that...) They could have taken over the old Planet Hollywood site,

What do you guys think? Could this actually work this time?

Link:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...hnology/2008159717_hardrock05.html


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User currently offlineN234NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2487 times:
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I was glad to see the Planet Hollywood in Seattle die. My meal there still stands today as the worst hamburger I have EVER consumed.

I have a feeling the Hard Rock will do well, especially being so close to Pike Place. I'm sure it will be packed with cruise ship tourists. It's a better location than something closer to Seattle Center would be, even though the EMP is there.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2485 times:



Quoting N234NW (Reply 1):
My meal there still stands today as the worst hamburger I have EVER consumed.

When I was working at Planet Hollywood in Seattle in 1997-1998, the original menu was pretty good, up until 7 months into working there, they dramatically changed the menu and then business went down because of it. Seattle was not the only one that closed, other locations closed too, including San Diego. I had friends who transferred there shortly before that location closed.

I think Planet Hollywood went back to its original menu, but I don't know how that helped anything. The one thing you should never do is change the menu if people like it. That is what brings business.

Having HRC in Seattle would be a very good thing seeing that Seattle is the grudge capitol of the world. It would be fitting but will it succeed remains the question. I wonder if they will have a Jimi Hendrix statue at the entrance of the new restaurant. That would be neat to see!



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16858 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

I think Hard Rock is a good brand, they got a little over developed in the late '90s. If they are a little more deliberate with their planning it's a nice compliment to tourist areas. I personally enjoy Hard Rock Cafes, I've been to Manhattan (old location), St.Thomas (closed?), San Juan, Cancun, La Jolla, Orlando etc.. I've also been to the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Tampa Florida.

A Hard Rock Cafe would do well in Seattle, I'm a huge Pearl Jam fan (saw them twice at Key Arena in November 2000) and I love when I see their memorabilia at Hard Rock Cafes. The one in La Jolla and the one in Maui had Pearl Jam guitars, photos etc..

A Seattle Hard Rock could display tons of Memorabilia, from Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Sound Garden, Alice n Chains, Mudhoney, Heart, Jimi Hendrix, Screaming Trees etc..

I loved the Experience Music Project.



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User currently offlineThreeIfByAir From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

PH was in an area of downtown that wasn't frequented by tourists back then. Plenty of office workers, but that isn't exactly the target market. Pike Place Market is a much better site, even if the area is sketchy at the moment (you have to love the building history - it formerly housed a pawn shop that was basically a fencing operation).

My one and only visit to HRC was @ Baltimore Inner Harbor, a perfect tourist-centric location. Pike Place Market has the same potential.

The real money is in the T-Shirt and merchandise sales and tourists are suckers for that stuff.


User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4977 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

I think Planet Hollywood just tried to grab bucks out of people just based on celebrity. I had been to several and I thought that Hard Rock had a much better product for the money.

As for using old locations, a lot of times companies think it's bad luck to relocate to a failed location. People tend to think "Oh, this is the old XXX place" and tend to think of the former business rather than the new tenant. Especially if the previous tenant had notoriety

Take this for example. When Enron failed they had a beautiful new building just a block or two away from the Exxon building in Houston. Exxon is extremely cramped in downtown Houston. They occupy several buildings in addition to the ExxonMobil building. When the Enron building became available, Exxon indicated that even though they need more space they were in no way shape of form interested in ANY of the assets of the former Enron company.

Now, the entire Enron mess was much greater than Planet Hollywood, but it's an example.



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User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2446 times:
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Quoting N234NW (Reply 1):
being so close to Pike Place

Yea, tourists will appreciate it. Seattle being the grunge capital in the 90's, HRC will more than likely decorate it as such.

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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39835 posts, RR: 74
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2436 times:

I surprised that Seattle is just now getting one. I thought they were in every major city worldwide.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
A Seattle Hard Rock could display tons of Memorabilia, from, .... Heart....,

I LOVE Heart!
One of my all time favorite rock groups.



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2433 times:
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Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
grudge capitol

I assume you meant grunge capital  Smile

I enjoy HRC and always make a point of visiting if there is one where I am. I have a good collection of guitar pins and the classic white T shirts. Unfortunately the only HRC in South Africa (Cape Town) closed several years ago. The only place I have had a bacon burger where the patty was actually made from bacon!  drool 



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User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2432 times:
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Quoting Andz (Reply 8):
I assume you meant grunge capital

Towards Pittsburgh... it's the grudge capital!!!  Wink

-HSII



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39835 posts, RR: 74
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2425 times:



Quoting Andz (Reply 8):
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
grudge capitol

I assume you meant grunge capital

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 
Considering the bad relation I have with a few Seattle members, I think AirframeAS was right the first time.  Silly



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2423 times:
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LOL okay I stand corrected!!


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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6793 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2417 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Thread starter):
What makes Hard Rock think that they can do well in Seattle when Planet Hollywood couldn't.

Because PH sucked ass, that's why.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
A Seattle Hard Rock could display tons of Memorabilia, from Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Sound Garden, Alice n Chains, Mudhoney, Heart, Jimi Hendrix, Screaming Trees etc..

Jimi. begin and end with Jimi.

But a SEA HRC could face peril... you can't have one in AUS because it's too conformist. HRC does not jive with "Keep Austin Weird" and there is a similar dynamic in SEA. But I think it would work there.

Did I mention Jimi?  Wink

Yeah, Jimi.


User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2036 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2413 times:



Quoting HowSwedeitis (Reply 6):
Seattle being the grunge capital in the 90's

So shouldn't it be the GRC? The Grunge Rock Cafe? Or is there something wrong with associating grunge and food?  Smile



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39835 posts, RR: 74
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2411 times:



Quoting Slider (Reply 12):
Because PH sucked ass, that's why.

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Quoting Slider (Reply 12):
Jimi. begin and end with Jimi.

Jimi is a guitar God and Heart are angels.
The grunge stuff was just.......garbage.

Quoting Slider (Reply 12):
But a SEA HRC could face peril... you can't have one in AUS because it's too conformist. HRC does not jive with "Keep Austin Weird" and there is a similar dynamic in SEA. But I think it would work there.

That's all the more reason to have a Hard Rock Cafe in Seattle dedicated to grunge. That would expose that genre for what it truly was. Corporate rock that was all about making money.
Funny how the grunge folk think that it was so 'alternative' and 'anti-establishment' when it was anything but. All grunge did was replace glam-metal.
Honestly, I'll take the glam-metal over grunge any day.



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6793 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2410 times:

Supe- today, amigo, you and I are kindred spirits.  Smile

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39835 posts, RR: 74
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2404 times:



Quoting Slider (Reply 15):
Supe- today, amigo, you and I are kindred spirits.

Cheers!
I'll drink to that!  champagne 



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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11576 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2373 times:



Quoting Slider (Reply 12):
there is a similar dynamic in SEA. But I think it would work there.

Huh? The people of SEA have been nothing but rude every time I have been there. I do not see the "Keep Seattle Wierd" element at all.

That said, I would really like to see something to clean up Pike between the Market and Westlake Center. I hate that walk. It smells horrid and it is so trashed!



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User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4977 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

And to think that the Hard Rock Cafe chain was created just because a guy couldn't get e decent hamburger in London.....


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2361 times:



Quoting Slider (Reply 12):

Because PH sucked ass, that's why.

It sucked because we changed the menu when I was there, it was a very, very bad idea to do that. It was horrible!!!

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 17):
I would really like to see something to clean up Pike between the Market and Westlake Center.

It is a dump, period. All the homeless people live there now and the Seattle Police does nothing about it. Not to mention the graffiti that has been there for years. No business wants to set up shop there anymore because the city does nothing about it.



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User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1847 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2349 times:



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 17):
The people of SEA have been nothing but rude every time I have been there.

Every single Seattleite you have ever encountered has been rude to you? I laugh at that suggestion.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39835 posts, RR: 74
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2348 times:



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 17):
The people of SEA have been nothing but rude every time I have been there.

You should meet ScarlotHarlot and Mr. Harlot. They live in Seattle and are nice people.  Smile



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3874 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

I always visit a Hard Rock cafe when I'm traveling ( If I have'nt been to it before )

So far, I've been to Hard Rock Cafe in:

Oslo
New York
Bangkok
Rio de Janeiro
Sydney
Paris
Munich
Amsterdam


The one in Oslo opend in 2005 and already in 2007 it was one of the best run Hard Rock Cafe's in the world.

See pictures of Hard Rock Cafe in Oslo here ( Nice waitresses and Little steven signing guitar ) :

http://www.hardrockcafe.no/



http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/?service=redirect&sourceid=1847088

[Edited 2008-09-06 13:37:33]

User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11576 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2261 times:



Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 20):
Every single Seattleite you have ever encountered has been rude to you? I laugh at that suggestion.

The few people that were nice were co-workers at Verizon. The average Joe and Sally Seattlite have been nothing but rude to me. No matter how much I smile and chat, I just get snubbed and looked down on.

Have I told you my experiment? When I lived in Auburn, I got so fed up with the snootyness of everyone in Seattle looking down on me for living in Auburn. Like I could afford to live anywhere else. Anyway, on a whim, any random people that would talk back would always ask where I lived. I always told a different person a different neighborhood. No matter which neighborhood I said I lived in, I would get the same response: Why would anyone live there? Yet, when I said I am visiting from Portland, I get: Wecome! Please go see the Market, go see Space Needle, don't miss the ferry ride...

Quoting Superfly (Reply 21):
You should meet ScarlotHarlot and Mr. Harlot. They live in Seattle and are nice people.

I know they are nice people, but I don't think they started off in Seattle



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User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1847 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2260 times:



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 23):
Have I told you my experiment? When I lived in Auburn, I got so fed up with the snootyness of everyone in Seattle looking down on me for living in Auburn. Like I could afford to live anywhere else. Anyway, on a whim, any random people that would talk back would always ask where I lived. I always told a different person a different neighborhood. No matter which neighborhood I said I lived in, I would get the same response: Why would anyone live there? Yet, when I said I am visiting from Portland, I get: Wecome! Please go see the Market, go see Space Needle, don't miss the ferry ride...

That's pretty funny, and I'll give you that. There is a lot of neighborhood pride since many of them, suburbs included, are so different. It does tend to turn into a bashing of sorts, especially of South Sound suburbs. Fair point.


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