Mdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4101 posts, RR: 9 Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1403 times:
Well,
Republicans have been historically more "India Friendly" and it was during the Bush administration that outsourcing became such a major issue. From the people I know, Indian voters are split between Democrat and Republican over here. Some favoring Republicans to their promises of lower taxes and others favoring Democrats due to their general appeal to minorities and the fact that they don't share most of the social conservative values of the Republicans.
To be honest I don't know what their exact positions are but this article might help. Although it was written back before the conventions:
Both of the candidates support and voted in favor of the Nuclear deal and it seems like both will be continuing a good relationship with India. In a way they have to, since it is now a rapidly emerging nation and the number of Indian Americans is now reaching 2 million and growing.
"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 7884 posts, RR: 22 Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1399 times:
If you believe what people say, Obama wants to back off on free trade and globalization (so-called job exports), of which India has been a beneficiary vis-a-vis the USA.
The second point is one I would like your opinion on. India has been fighting radical islam for a lot longer than the USA, namely concerning Kashmir. I saw an interview with the leader of one of Pakistan's religious political parties, who comes straight out and says that their long term goal is to force all of India to become an Islamic state, by any means necessary. What does india want to see? A US president that recognizes radical Islam as an existential threat, or one who believes that it's just a matter for law enforcement?
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 7884 posts, RR: 22 Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1395 times:
Oh, and I might remind you that a very credible future presidential candidate exists among Republicans in Bobby Jindal. If he continues to work like he is, he may well be a candidate within the next 8 years, and from what I've seen of him, I'd vote for him.
How would India like to have an Indian-American in the White House?
Mdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4101 posts, RR: 9 Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1390 times:
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3): Oh, and I might remind you that a very credible future presidential candidate exists among Republicans in Bobby Jindal. If he continues to work like he is, he may well be a candidate within the next 8 years, and from what I've seen of him, I'd vote for him.
How would India like to have an Indian-American in the White House?
At this moment in time, I would not vote for Bobby Jindal if he were running for president. I'm sure people in India may like it, but Indian voters in the US are fiercely divided on him. Some like him because he's "still one of us." But for a lot, there's a feeling that his views and attitudes don't really represent the values of his community, namely his very ultra conservative views and some incidents that were perceived as an insult and him trying to distance himself from the Indian Community.
Like the conundrum that some Hillary women are feeling, many Indians feel the same; whether or not to vote for someone just because he shares your heritage. At the end of the day, people know that Bobby Jindal could win without the Indian community supporting him. Here are a couple of good articles about the subject:
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2): I saw an interview with the leader of one of Pakistan's religious political parties, who comes straight out and says that their long term goal is to force all of India to become an Islamic state, by any means necessary.
on his part. That will never happen. Can't speak for Pakistanis but as much as Indians bleat about Pakistan (couple of those in my Family), most people would like the cross border terrorism to stop and just let India be and that the world put more pressure on Pakistan to root out the sources of terrorism within it's own borders (NW Pak). It's also why many Indians had a problem with Iraq, because they believe the real source of the problem is there.
Interestingly Indians and Pakistanis tend to get along much better in the US.
"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
Comorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4724 posts, RR: 17 Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1381 times:
Good question:
First, my biases: I am a rabid Libertarian and died laughing once reading 'The Communist Manifesto'. To me, the Four Horsemen are all Republicans IMO Also, I think India and the US have a lot in common and should be BFF. Indian Commies should be deported to China...
1. Economy: The Bushies did India a big one with the NSG deal. The India-haters like Kissinger are not part of mainstream Republicanism thinking anymore. The Democrats are traditionally union and working-class leaning, so they may be anti H1-B visas and Outsourcing. There is also the pesky question of Farm subsidies...
2. Security: The current US Administration is very pro-India, while the democratic point of view is not so clear. India's main security concerns are an unstable Pakistan and the land-grabbing descendants of Genghis Khan in the Northeast. The Republican Administration (mostly Condi) has been very reassuring to India on that front.
3. Technology Transfer: With the NSG deal and the MRCA bid, the current Administration has shown great willingness to transfer technology.
I would say that India will do well under either, even though the Republicans have the track record to prove it. The 'core' in the Republican Party will secretly hope India's 1B people will be Born Again, while core Democrats will always see Indians as taking away US jobs.
All this doesn't matter if India descends into a quagmire of petty communalism. It hasn't happened in the last 60 years, but I worry about it now more than ever.
Of course, no thread on this topic is complete without Barfbag's and sv7887's views
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 7884 posts, RR: 22 Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1370 times:
Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 5): But for a lot, there's a feeling that his views and attitudes don't really represent the values of his community,
That view is highly offensive to me. His 'community' is the State of Louisiana, and perhaps, one day, beyond.. If people are supposed to represent the interests or values of their specific ethnic background, then you cannot complain if white wealthy politicians look out for their white wealthy friends.
Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 5): Like the conundrum that some Hillary women are feeling, many Indians feel the same; whether or not to vote for someone just because he shares your heritage.
The same goes for this group.
But I think the issue of this thread has gotten confused. I think the original question was which US president would be good for Indians in India, not Indian immigrants in the US.
Mdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4101 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1364 times:
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 8):
That view is highly offensive to me. His 'community' is the State of Louisiana, and perhaps, one day, beyond.. If people are supposed to represent the interests or values of their specific ethnic background, then you cannot complain if white wealthy politicians look out for their white wealthy friends.
The point is not that people expect him to "look out for us" but to at least acknowledge it. Politicians are always acknowledging their "Irish Catholic" or "Italian" backgrounds. If non-Indian politicians have no problem appearing at Indian cultural events, why is he not? Like everyone says, people should vote for someone that they feel comfortable voting for, and the fact of the matter remains, that many Indian voters (of course not all) aren't comfortable with him and will not vote for him on a national level just because he's Indian.
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 8): But I think the issue of this thread has gotten confused. I think the original question was which US president would be good for Indians in India, not Indian immigrants in the US.
Ok back to the original question, I think both would be good, but maybe McCain a little more. What happens, we will see.
"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31228 posts, RR: 58 Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1341 times:
Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 1): Both of the candidates support and voted in favor of the Nuclear deal and it seems like both will be continuing a good relationship with India.
Looks like the Deal is on course.....Manmohan singh risked his government to vouch for the deal.
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3): How would India like to have an Indian-American in the White House?
I think the Individual would matter more than his colour.
Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 5): most people would like the cross border terrorism to stop
True.It is the Biggest threat out here.
Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 5): Interestingly Indians and Pakistanis tend to get along much better in the US.
Thats cause the problem is with the politicians not the common folks.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1312 times:
Well now that Palin has her passport, that she only got back on 2007, her first one I might add, she can now go overseas.
N867DA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 978 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1305 times:
Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 5): At this moment in time, I would not vote for Bobby Jindal if he were running for president.
I wouldn't vote for him if he ran for dog catcher.
Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 5): ." But for a lot, there's a feeling that his views and attitudes don't really represent the values of his community, namely his very ultra conservative views and some incidents that were perceived as an insult and him trying to distance himself from the Indian Community.
...and there's the problem. Some Indian people harp on and on about how their native son is making strides in American politics. Why should the Indian-American community keep on promoting someone who clearly wants no part of it?
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3): How would India like to have an Indian-American in the White House?
It'd be nice, but I'd rather wait for someone decent to come along. It won't do much good for India if Bobby Jindal is elected President. Jindal isn't any more pro-India than any other politician as far as I know. Some politicians are different though. JFK clearly had a soft spot for Ireland, for example. Jindal doesn't seem to have the same feeling toward India.
N867DA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 978 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1271 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 15): was just wondering...would India be invited to join NATO ever.
Even though it's obvious being near the North Atlantic isn't needed, I doubt that a country so distant from Europe or North America will be allowed to join NATO.
KiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 5424 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1228 times:
Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 13): Well now that Palin has her passport, that she only got back on 2007, her first one I might add, she can now go overseas.
In light of that statement I can't see how anyone in their right mind could ever consider voting for a president with her on the ticket. Scary stuff for the world if John gets in has a heart attack (considering his age the stress of the job it must be a real possibility) during the first term and that freak show becomes the president.
Sv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1192 times:
Hi All,
It's hard to say which party would be better. The Bush administration has been unusually friendly towards India, is it out of economic interest or just plain practicality? I don't know...
The USA has been largely a Pakistani Ally, and I don't think that is going to change whether Obama or McCain is elected. Indians I think are also equally cynical of close defense ties with the US given their propensity to embargo arms sales when we do something they don't like.
That said, the US does see India as an economic power, and of course supplier of skilled labor to the world. Just look at the US corporate demand for Indian engineers, scientists, and doctors.
There perhaps is a defense element to it as well. The US might be thinking of befriending the Indians as a counter to China...But I think China's military is in a better position than India's for now. Of course then you have the Russians who are a historical ally of India.
Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 9): Well now that Palin has her passport, that she only got back on 2007, her first one I might add, she can now go overseas
Right, versus voting for a guy who doesn't know how the UN works (Telling Georgia to go to the UN where Russia has veto power) and advocates attacking Pakistan, a nuclear armed nation? Yeah real smart. Traveling to foreign countries and telling people what they want to hear isn't a qualification for President..
Otherwise Angelina Jolie would win in a landslide...
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1185 times:
Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 15): Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 9):
Well now that Palin has her passport, that she only got back on 2007, her first one I might add, she can now go overseas
Right, versus voting for a guy who doesn't know how the UN works (Telling Georgia to go to the UN where Russia has veto power) and advocates attacking Pakistan, a nuclear armed nation? Yeah real smart. Traveling to foreign countries and telling people what they want to hear isn't a qualification for President..
Otherwise Angelina Jolie would win in a landslide...
Sv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1177 times:
Give me a break, so he mis-spoke. How many times a day do these politicians speak in front of the cameras?
Here is Obama's 57 states gaffe:
Does that mean Obama doesn't know how many states there are? Of course he does. He was probably tired and made a mistake. Obama must speak at least once a day to the public.
I don't see anyone making a big deal out of it.
I know you enjoy stirring the pot and making trouble, but stick to the topic, what do you think about India?
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31228 posts, RR: 58 Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1169 times:
I Don't think slippage of tongue denotes a bad president,nor does a broken family indicate that.
a president needs to lead from a strong position.
What I'm looking at is from INDIAs point of view,which party policies would favour India more on various topics.
BarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2050 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1165 times:
Quoting Comorin (Reply 5): Of course, no thread on this topic is complete without Barfbag's and sv7887's views
Quite an honour indeed, m'lord I'll prefix my statement with the disclaimer that *everything* I say is from an Indian perspective, and has *nothing* to do with domestic US politics.
As for the US candidates, I've not had a very good opinion of Democrats in general after the Bill Clinton days. Clinton was one of the worst US presidents from our perspective, continuously harrassing us on the trade and strategic domains. That said, Reagan was no better, thanks to his Afghan war compulsions.
I think Bush Jr was a great US president from our perspective. The recently concluded IAEA+NSG waivers owe themselves to US leaning heavily on everyone, especially China, the wild card. In retrospect, Bush might one day be lauded for this on a Nixon-in-China level.
Among current candidates, I like McCain, but know nothing about his VP. I am not so partial to Obama, mainly because he drove the addition of restrictions in the US Hyde Act regarding the nuclear deal, and sounds like a tiresome Bill Clinton clone at times. On the other hand I like Biden because he supported the deal well.
I cannot therefore make an easy pick. Just having some wizened dude or young charmer as president is of no consequence. It depends *significantly* on their ranks - who will be Sec. State, Commerce Secretary etc. All these matter. To further trade and strategic ties requires good rapport between Indian MEA and US State Dept, Indian Commerce Ministry and US Dept of Commerce etc. That is what matters from my perspective.
PSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 972 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1147 times:
McCain is a free trade person. Obama and the unions that support him tend not to be.
What I find hypocritical of Obama is that he talks about restoring the relationships the
U.S. has fractured over the past 8 years. But how friendly is it to say, "Like us again, but
we're going to put tariffs on your products." YES WE CAN!
Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 9): Well now that Palin has her passport, that she only got back on 2007, her first one I might add, she can now go overseas
She already has. In fact, while she was in Germany she visited wounded soldiers in the
military hospital, whereas Obama got a good workout in the Ritz-Carlton's gym. And
wasn't this Obama's first visit to Iraq? Looks like she was there a year before him.
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31228 posts, RR: 58 Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1127 times:
Would The India-US civil nuclear deal if signed soon be Bush's greatest foreign policy success from an American perspective or are there others.
regds
MEL
PNQIAD From India, joined May 2006, 579 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1111 times:
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3): How would India like to have an Indian-American in the White House?
Jindal has always tried strenuously to hide his Indian origin - from changing his name and religion to moving to extreme right for sake of votes. So I am not sure if he were ever elected would be necessarily a positive for India.
BarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2050 posts, RR: 6 Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1093 times:
Quoting PNQIAD (Reply 22): Jindal has always tried strenuously to hide his Indian origin - from changing his name and religion to moving to extreme right for sake of votes. So I am not sure if he were ever elected would be necessarily a positive for India.
When I read 'Bobby Jindal', I don't think "Indian American". I think "right wing Christian fundamentalist".
Delta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2559 posts, RR: 14 Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1060 times:
PQuote]When I read 'Bobby Jindal', I don't think "Indian American". I think "right wing Christian fundamentalist".[/Quote]
Isnt he Roman Catholic? Also, Was he Hindu before changing? Thanks!
-Delta767300ER
Keep DFW strong.
25 MD11Engineer: Well, the Algerian terrorists, who hijacked the Air france Airbus some 10 years ago demanded among other things that Chirac would convert to Islam an
26 Mdsh00: Yup and Yup. He converted in High School.
27 HAWK21M: What are the Foreign policies of both candidates towards INDIA.Looks like both seem to be similiar. regds MEL
28 Delta767300ER: Ok, Thanks. *If* he was Hindu, how to you think the U.S. population would view his faith if he ran for Prez? -Delta767300ER
29 HAWK21M: In case the Civil Nuclear deal goes through.anmohan singh might be visiting the USA later this month. What are the chances he would meet both the cand
30 PNQIAD: That is the unfortunate reality in the US - no matter how patriotic / heroic / qualified you are - if you are a non-Christian, you almost assuredly h
31 Mdsh00: I personally don't think that he would go meet (or the other way around) as presidential candidates but maybe just as Senators. From what I understoo
32 HAWK21M: I remember during Vajpayee visit to the US during Bill clinton times...Both Bush & Al Gore met him personally at seperate times. regds MEL
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on his part. That will never happen. Can't speak for Pakistanis but as much as Indians bleat about Pakistan (couple of those in my Family), most people would like the cross border terrorism to stop and just let India be and that the world put more pressure on Pakistan to root out the sources of terrorism within it's own borders (NW Pak). It's also why many Indians had a problem with Iraq, because they believe the real source of the problem is there.
Also, I think India and the US have a lot in common and should be BFF. Indian Commies should be deported to China...
I wouldn't vote for him if he ran for dog catcher.
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