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User currently offlineMike89406 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1466 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1769 times:

So I'm ready for new tires on my 2002 Accord but I'm unsure which brand is better for my car. I plan to use some sort if touring tire as I take road trips but I want reliability. Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated.

Regards, Mike

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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8452 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1756 times:
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Bridgestone.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26450 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1753 times:

Pirelli
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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 971 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1753 times:

Michelin's are the only tires I've drive on my 2003 Accord and I think they're great. For the majority of the time I've owned the car, they have been Michelin's Energy tires, but when I had 2 changed-out a few months ago they had stopped carrying the Energy and it was replaced by the Primacy. I have absolutely nothing to complain about.

User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1747 times:
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I think Michelin makes a tire that (as a physical product) doesn't leave much to complain about. I am a bit of a tire snob and am willing to pay for good tires but I do think that the pricing on many Michelin tires is simply too high when considering what the competition offers.

I don't have a large amount of experience with Goodyear offerings but their product reputation seems to be all over the map depending on price and tire type.

I put a set of Yokohamas on an old Lexus that I sold within the last year (it was my 3rd set of tires on that car) and as a touring tire I thought they were quiet, comfortable, and a great value. I purchased a set of 4 during a "4 for the price of 3" promotion that tire shops seem to love. The total cost installed was about $310 partially due to the inexpensive 205/65-15 geometry of the ES300 tires.

For all that I paid, this Yokohama was a fine product. I had a set of higher performance (and more expensive) tires on the Lexus before but they didn't suit the cushy nature of the car. This softly sprung sedan was much more enjoyable with the Yokohamas of adequate performance and exemplary comfort.

Check www.tirerack.com for user reviews and a "tire selection guide".
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....hama&tireModel=AVID+Touring#Survey

I wouldn't put a cushy tire like this on any of my other cars but it suited the Lexus (and perhaps your needs as well).

Before you buy, what tire size and speed rating do you need? Most shops won't install a tire with a speed rating lower than your car's original equipment.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26450 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1744 times:



Quoting Molykote (Reply 4):
I do think that the pricing on many Michelin tires is simply too high when considering what the competition offers.

I tend to agree with you.

I have also found that some of the less expensive brands make a very good tire for the money. Falken comes to mind.



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8452 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1742 times:
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I can see that this is going to be a useful thread!

I say Bridgestone based on my experience with my last few cars. I had a bad time with the standard fit Continentals on my 2001 BMW 320i. After about 30,000km they began making the most horrible noises and after a long fight with Conti I threw them off and fitted Bridgestones which proved to be a quiet, durable and good handling tyre. The next one came standard with them and when I sold the car with almost 50,000km on the standard tyres were still usable.

My current car has Bridgestone 225/45 R17 RFT and apart from the cost to replace them I am happy with them. Car has 44,000km on and the fronts are still good for another 5,000 or so. I replaced the rears at about 38,000 but I had done quite a bit of towing which does put wear on the rears.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26450 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1739 times:



Quoting Andz (Reply 6):
I had a bad time with the standard fit Continentals on my 2001 BMW 320i.

I still don't get why BMW did the Conti thing.



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8452 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1732 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
I still don't get why BMW did the Conti thing.

I still see BMWs with them on and the few drivers I have spoken to have had similar experiences to me. When I ordered my next one I told the salesperson that if the car came with Contis I would refuse to take it.



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User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1730 times:
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Quoting Andz (Reply 6):
I say Bridgestone based on my experience with my last few cars.

I used the Potenza S-03s on my MX-5 and love them. Although they were expensive in general, I bought them for $63 each on closeout. My only regret was not buying another set. I wore them out at an embarassing rate.

Quoting Andz (Reply 6):
I had a bad time with the standard fit Continentals on my 2001 BMW 320i. After about 30,000km they began making the most horrible noises and after a long fight with Conti I threw them off and fitted Bridgestones which proved to be a quiet, durable and good handling tyre. The next one came standard with them and when I sold the car with almost 50,000km on the standard tyres were still usable.

A number of E46 drivers really dislike the OE Continentals.

Every Bridgestone that I've driven on a BMW has felt great (although I haven't had every BMW that I've driven at the limit). The Potenza RE730s were a great value but have been discontinued. Urban legends circulate that the Fuzion ZRi is the same basic product but I didn't think the Fuzion felt as nice as I remembered the RE730s.

I'm going to rebuild the suspension on my 2002 330Ci this fall (56k miles on it). After doing so I intend to remove the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S tires to try a set of Sumitomo HTR Z IIIs. Tire Rack* picked these HTR Z IIIs as the winner of their last high performance summer tire test. As a bonus, they cost less than $100 each for my 225/45-17 and 245/40-17 sizes. I'm happy to pay what I need to for good tires but I'm happier to get a great product for half of the "normal" price!

*--> Tire Rack uses 3 series BMWs as test vehicles  Smile



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User currently offlineAcho From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 339 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1720 times:

I used to have Michelin 16" in my Renault Megane, and they were a pain in the ass, I got 3 flat tires in one year; one was my fault because I hit the sidewalk because a bus was coming head on fast invading my side of the road. The other two times were just random, one of the times I went to my car in the morning and it had a flat tire, and I know it wasn't vandalism.
I didn't know how to change tires until I had those tires.

On the other hand the Michelins I have on the Audi A3 I currently drive have been great no problems at all. Overall I would have to say the Michelins are better as they have better grip, this is especially important to me because of how slippery the roads are where I live.


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9004 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1716 times:
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Quoting Mike89406 (Thread starter):

Are these the only 2 options you are considering? Check the internet for test drives with different tires. There are some surprising results. Check what you need the tires for and what is most important to you and then decide which brand you take.

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User currently offlineMike89406 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1466 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1712 times:



Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):
Michelin's are the only tires I've drive on my 2003 Accord and I think they're great. For the majority of the time I've owned the car, they have been Michelin's Energy tires, but when I had 2 changed-out a few months ago they had stopped carrying the Energy and it was replaced by the Primacy. I have absolutely nothing to complain about.

My accord came with Energy tores when I bought it brand new they lasted for a long time IIRC.

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 11):
Quoting Mike89406 (Thread starter):


Are these the only 2 options you are considering? Check the internet for test drives with different tires. There are some surprising results. Check what you need the tires for and what is most important to you and then decide which brand you take.

WILCO737 (MD11F)

Not necessarily but I dont know much about the others (BF Goodrich, Bridgestone, etc...)
I had Toyas on my old Nissan they weren't bad, and I had a couple of sets of less known brands on my Accord. Truth be told I just want some decent tires that I don't have to pay exhorbant amounts of money on. However reliability seems to be important out here in Western Nevada as the some of the roads seem to be a little rougher and tear up tires faster. Although I will pay a little more if I know a certain tire is actually better off for longevity.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
Quoting Molykote (Reply 4):
I do think that the pricing on many Michelin tires is simply too high when considering what the competition offers.

I tend to agree with you.

I have also found that some of the less expensive brands make a very good tire for the money. Falken comes to mind.

I agree as well. The Michelin's haven't been a bad tire just that they're a little pricey.

Regards, Mike


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9004 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1709 times:
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Quoting Mike89406 (Reply 12):
Not necessarily but I dont know much about the others (BF Goodrich, Bridgestone, etc...)

The internet contains a lot of website where you can read about tests about tires. More or less specific for your car and needs. Check it out.
I don't go with the brand, I check for my car and needs. next year I need new tires for the summer and I will check then for good tires - no matter what brand.

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User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1707 times:
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Quoting Mike89406 (Reply 12):
However reliability seems to be important out here in Western Nevada as the some of the roads seem to be a little rougher and tear up tires faster. Although I will pay a little more if I know a certain tire is actually better off for longevity.

What weather will these tires have to accommodate?


Here is a table of survey results for all "grand touring all season" tires available at tirerack.com:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...esults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=GTAS

Other tire classes are available to suit your needs.

The affordable General Altimax HP tires top this chart of consumer survey data. Given the wide selection of fairly priced competitors, I'm not sure if I'd jump on a product like the Altimax HP just yet. They are probably a good tire but my own experience and bias would cause me to stick something that I see as more proven (rightly or wrongly).

[Edited 2008-09-07 00:25:13]

[Edited 2008-09-07 00:28:13]


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User currently offlineMike89406 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1466 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1701 times:



Quoting Molykote (Reply 14):
What weather will these tires have to accommodate?

I live near Reno high elevation desert but it gets a little chilly around November-December, but I am moving to San Diego in December for at least 3 yrs.

Mike


User currently offlineBeta From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1692 times:

Michelin tires are one of the brand name, premium tires. Quality is excellent, but you pay premium dollars relative to others. Bridgestone is a good, middle of the road, tire. Above ave. quality, reasonable price. You should also check out BF Goodrich tires. I had them on my pickup. I don't know whether it's same premium brand like Michelin, but its quality is excellent, long lasting. I had some Goodyear in the past. Poor quality, wear out fast. Price is probably the cheapest of all the above brands. Pirelli: you pay top dollars and may not get the same value as Michelin, and its tires tend to be performance oriented. I could be wrong about that though. Those are tires that I have used in the past.

User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

I've been selling, installing, and servicing tires for over 14 years, and Beta's assessments are spot-on with my experience:

Quoting Beta (Reply 16):
Michelin tires are one of the brand name, premium tires. Quality is excellent, but you pay premium dollars relative to others.

The question I ask people is not "Are Michelin tires worth putting on your car?", but "Is your car worth investing in a set of Michelin tires?". Yes, they really are that good, but they're priced accordingly.

Quoting Beta (Reply 16):
Bridgestone is a good, middle of the road, tire. Above ave. quality, reasonable price.

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Quoting Beta (Reply 16):
You should also check out BF Goodrich tires. I had them on my pickup. I don't know whether it's same premium brand like Michelin, but its quality is excellent, long lasting.

Michelin bought BF Goodrich in 1989, and has since dramatically improved BFG's quality and has positioned BFG as a second-tier brand specializing in more youth-oriented high-performance lines for both sporty cars and pickup trucks/SUVs.

Quoting Beta (Reply 16):
I had some Goodyear in the past. Poor quality, wear out fast.

Yep, those are far and away the two most common complaints I hear about Goodyear tires. Oddly enough, Goodyear's less-expensive brand, Dunlop, seems to be the superior brand as far as quality control and longevity.

Quoting Beta (Reply 16):
Pirelli: you pay top dollars and may not get the same value as Michelin, and its tires tend to be performance oriented.

Too true! I'd describe Pirellis as being like the little girl who had a little curl right in the middle of her forehead: When they are good they are very, very good, but when they are bad they are HORRID!



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User currently offlineBeta From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1623 times:



Quoting TSS (Reply 17):
Michelin bought BF Goodrich in 1989, and has since dramatically improved BFG's quality and has positioned BFG as a second-tier brand specializing in more youth-oriented high-performance lines for both sporty cars and pickup trucks/SUVs.

I did not know that. Learn something new every day. Thank you. I bought them, and has been quite happy with them. Now I know why.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26450 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (5 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 1569 times:



Quoting Beta (Reply 16):
Pirelli: you pay top dollars and may not get the same value as Michelin, and its tires tend to be performance oriented. I could be wrong about that though.

Two things about Pirelli. One, they are not cheap but are less expensive than Michelin. Two, the P-Zero Rosso is one of the longest lived performance tires out there.



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User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 1561 times:



Quoting TSS (Reply 17):

Quoting Beta (Reply 16):
Michelin tires are one of the brand name, premium tires. Quality is excellent, but you pay premium dollars relative to others.

The question I ask people is not "Are Michelin tires worth putting on your car?", but "Is your car worth investing in a set of Michelin tires?". Yes, they really are that good, but they're priced accordingly.

I concur, I have had a great experience with the Michelins on my E Class. It's 4 Matic, but the tires are all season, but they are dynamite.

My dad's S Class has these crappy Continentials on them. Their winter traction stinks, I don't know why Benz puts crappy tires on expensive cars.

I've also had good luck with the Bridgestone Turanza LS-H tires on my old LS400. Great ride, good winter traction, excellent high speed performance.


User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4996 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (5 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

I have always used Michelins on all my cars for the past 20 years or so. But my Mazda Tribute came with Continentals. I think those are on par with the Michelins I have used over the years. I have 80K miles on the Contientals and have never had a flat or a tire replacement.
I don't know why, but I never seem to get flat tires. the Continentals handle very well, especially on wet roads.

Worst Tires I have ever owned:

Dunlop (the sidewalls wobble at any speed over 50mph)
Bridgestone (like driving on roller skates in wet weather)



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1476 times:



Quoting TSS (Reply 17):

What do you think of Goodyear's Viva 2 tires? They are only sold at Wal*Mart. I currently have a set of those on my car and so far I have had no problems with them since having them installed in October of last year. Considering that I am living in Colorado, they work great in the snow.



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User currently offlineDukeofDashes From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1462 times:



Quoting Beta (Reply 16):
Bridgestone is a good, middle of the road, tire. Above ave. quality, reasonable price.

I'm very happy with the Dueler H/Ts that I put on my truck. Twas about $700 for the set of 4, but well worth what I spent on them. Overall, I would say Bridgestones are the best value on the market.


User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1445 times:
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Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 22):
What do you think of Goodyear's Viva 2 tires? They are only sold at Wal*Mart. I currently have a set of those on my car and so far I have had no problems with them since having them installed in October of last year. Considering that I am living in Colorado, they work great in the snow.

The Wal-Mart "exclusive" Goodyears are designed to be produced cheaply but might work fine for certain uses.

A friend of mine tells me that they are of significantly lower production quality and that product failure and vibration issues are more common with these models.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 20):
My dad's S Class has these crappy Continentials on them. Their winter traction stinks, I don't know why Benz puts crappy tires on expensive cars.

Although Continentals certainly aren't the only tire used by Porsche/BMW/M-B, I can't rationalize the fairly common use of these so-so tires by these manufacturers. The only guess I can make is that the German ties between these companies may have had something to do with it but it seems like a weak argument.

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 21):
Dunlop (the sidewalls wobble at any speed over 50mph)
Bridgestone (like driving on roller skates in wet weather)

What models?

Dunlop and Bridgestone make tires ranging from "good" to "excellent". Without more specific data, generalizations like this are often useless to other people. Like other products, the design requirements of tires are affected by many factors such as product mission and price point.

I think those statements are far to generalized to be useful.



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25 Jetblueguy22 : Goodyear. - - - - - Blue
26 Swissy : Nokian all the way..... Cheerios,
27 Stretch 8 : My 5 series BMW came with Dunlop SP2000s as OE. When they wore down, I tried the Michelin Pilot/Sport AS. Very nice tire, but at nearly $200 per, not
28 NIKV69 : All three, Bridgestone, GYR and Michelin are top rubber. I had to drop $1K on rubber for my car and I agonized over which to buy, Gyr F1s, Michelin Pi
29 A342 : Germans prefer a proper set of tires for both winter and summer instead of the jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none rubber that Americans usually use. I
30 Arrow : I had a similar experience with the Continentals on my VW van, After about 25K, I was getting a lot of vibration; an inspection showed three of the f
31 JJJ : I've generally been a Bridgestone or Pirelli man. Last time they were out of stock of either so I tried some BF Goodrich which they had on offer and s
32 Delta767300ER : Goodyear makes one of the most pathetic tires on the planet. They are a cheap tire that uses up very quickly. I've had 3 sets of Goodyears on my Camar
33 MCOflyer : Good thread. Michelin all the wayyy for me. Ever thought about purchasing them from Sears? They have a 75K mile warranty for all tires. Hunter
34 Molykote : I agree with your comments and use separate winter/summer tires myself. It seems that Sv7887 commented on the winter traction capabilities of his fat
35 Sv7887 : It's a 4 Matic (AWD) as is my E Class. But the E has Michelins which are dynamite in the snow. The Continentals aren't anything special, in good weat
36 Molykote : You might want to direct that question to A342? I use Bridgestone Blizzak REVO1 winter tires myself.
37 A342 : In Germany, they are seen as high-end tires, hence their use on expensive cars. Maybe the perception elsewhere is different. The German law says that
38 Post contains links and images Molykote : I think this comes about because "snow(& ice) tires" are the most commonly used products within the "winter" tire category. Given my choice of vehicl
39 A342 : Indeed. The tire market in Germany doesn't really distinguish between these types as only the former are commonly used. The latter are also available
40 AirframeAS : Why would Goodyear want to slap their name on a tire that they manufactured exclusively for Wal*Mart if the tires themselves are a piece of crap? Did
41 Molykote : I'm not saying that the tires are necessarily unsafe. "Failure" doesn't have to mean sudden and catastrophic.
42 YOWza : I think I'm using Toyos right now. Not really that sure, not much of a car guy. YOWza
43 AirframeAS : That makes more sense. Thanks for the info.
44 Revelation : Which Bridgestone model? I have Bridgestone Portenzas on my 330i and they were great when new but wear faster than I'd like. I've read on-line that p
45 LOT767-300ER : This thread is really ridiculous for really only one reason. All this speculation we are having which tire is best and which is not is just that, almo
46 777ER : I use FireStone Firehawks on my car. They are one of the most expensive ($160) car tyres here, and are designed for New Zealand's conditions
47 LOT767-300ER : Which Firestone Firehawks are those??????
48 Post contains images Andz : Potenza RE 050A I saw them on a website for $227 each in the US, they are $375 here [Edited 2008-09-13 01:52:30]
49 L410Turbolet : I'm surprised it took 45 replys for someone to point out the obvious. Refer to ADAC test or whatever equivalent you have in your part of the world an
50 Revelation : Yes, these are exactly what I have had on the 330i for the last 3 summers, but have the run-flats. In the winter, it's Bridgestone Blizzak LM50 RFTs.
51 Andz : Mine are run flats too.
52 Mike89406 : Thats true for some people comparing other types of vehicles but not for me, However there ares some tires mentioned that I don't need to consider si
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