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MSNBC: Olbermann Out For Political Coverage  
User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4312 posts, RR: 28
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1677 times:

Looks like MSNBC couldn't stand the heat it was taking for Olbermann running his sewer on the Republicans.

Quote:
NEW YORK - MSNBC is replacing Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews as co-anchors of political night coverage with David Gregory, and will use the two newsmen as commentators.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/tv_nbc_ol...;_ylt=AlzIt4ZooYSU.Ubr9Nf6tSOs0NUE


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24794 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1656 times:

Olbermann should go back to reporting sports at local stations. Then at least his ad-lib commentary would find a more usefull place then his clear bias when it comes to politics.


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 960 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1646 times:

I'll fully disclose that I consider myself center/right on most issues, but how any rational individual could tolerate Olbermann is beyond me.

User currently offlineDukeofDashes From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1622 times:



Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 2):
I'll fully disclose that I consider myself center/right on most issues, but how any rational individual could tolerate Olbermann is beyond me.

I think the same could be said for Bill O'Rielly. If you agree with their viewpoints, you will like them. If you think they are extremist windbags, then you probably won't like them.

I for one like that that people such as Olbermann and Maher exist to offset O'Rielly and Hannity. Maintains some level of balance at least.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3077 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1622 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
Olbermann should go back to reporting sports at local stations. Then at least his ad-lib commentary would find a more usefull place then his clear bias when it comes to politics.

So maybe O'Reilly should go back to Tabloid TV, and Hannity should stay on the radio?

If we're going to have one network that is thoroughly biased (FOX), I don't see what's wrong with a handful of anchors on another network being biased.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24794 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1601 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 4):
If we're going to have one network that is thoroughly biased (FOX), I don't see what's wrong with a handful of anchors on another network being biased.

Well to start with the near entire US media enterprise is left leaning, so I would not get too worked up about lone FOX and its slant. If you dont like, no need to watch it.

However in this case, NBC very much wants to maintain to the degree possible unbiased and professional reporting. Olbermann going back a long time has been a loose canon with his comments and this was simply not something the network wanted to project.

Now Olbermann might have a place, but its more show specific and not the anchor spot on national news.



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User currently offlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 957 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1592 times:



Quoting DukeofDashes (Reply 3):
I think the same could be said for Bill O'Rielly. If you agree with their viewpoints, you will like them. If you think they are extremist windbags, then you probably won't like them.

Keith Olbermann is cast by MSNBC (and by himself) as sort of the liberal counterpart (or counterpoint) to Bill O'Reilly and to some extent that is true. But as someone who has watched both and who agrees sometimes with O'Reilly and sometimes with Olbermann I see three basic differences between the two.

First, O'Reilly seems to do a lot more background research on a topic than Olbermann. O'Reilly occasionally gets things wrong, but at least he has made an effort to get up to speed on an issue and collect details about it. Olbermann comes across more as operating on sort of a generalized familiarity with a topic but he seems to lack the skills or interest in a topic that investigative journalists have.

Second, while O'Reilly may have strong opinions about an issue, he at least appears to understand where the other side is coming from. To my mind, Olbermann comes across as dismissive and intolerant of those with whom he disagrees, at least more so than O'Reilly.

Third, O'Reilly strikes me as more compassionate and more humane in his attitudes towards those with whom he disagrees. My impression of Olbermann is that he really dislikes people who disagree with him.

So, I don't think the difference is between people who agree with O'Reilly and people who agree with Olbermann. Most people have some level of agreement and disagreement with both depending on the issue. To my mind, Olbermann is simply harder to watch since he comes across as just so simplistic and mean.


User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1582 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Well to start with the near entire US media enterprise is left leaning

prove it



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11199 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1561 times:



Quoting DukeofDashes (Reply 3):
I think the same could be said for Bill O'Rielly.

To be fair though, was O'Reilly anchoring the conventions?

Having a person so liberally biased providing play-by-play (for lack of a better word) was a bad idea from the start. From what I'm reading, Olbermann was unsure it was a good idea because he too wanted to be liberal, and did not want to have to pretend to be unbiased. Also, it appears that Olbermann himself was the one to suggest that he shouldn't anchor anymore because he could not bring himself to treat the Republicans equally.



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User currently offlineDaedaeg From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1559 times:

NBC political coverage went down hill after Tim Russert's passing. Olbermann is a commentator and should be view as such. He should not have been made out to be an unbias news anchor during the conventions. I just don't know what the folks at NBC/MSNBC were thinking.


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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7108 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1558 times:

I am a very moderate republican and I just hated this guy. I never watch MSNBC because of him and only him. Its about time they got him off the network a little bit. I like to stay with CNN with political news.


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User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1548 times:



Quoting DukeofDashes (Reply 3):
I for one like that that people such as Olbermann and Maher exist to offset O'Rielly and Hannity.

At least Bill Maher is entertaining. Keith Olbermann? Not so much...



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1546 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
Olbermann should go back to reporting sports at local stations. Then at least his ad-lib commentary would find a more usefull place then his clear bias when it comes to politics.

Local sports reporting is too good for this hack. You know it's bad when I couldn't even stand watching the NBC Football Night in America show last night because he repulsed me so much. And Dan Patrick too, but that's a different story. Sidenote: that whole NBC crew stinks and the show is lousy.

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 11):
At least Bill Maher is entertaining.

I used to like Maher's shtick, but he's just a smarmy weasel. And his comments about Sarah last week were just repulsive and disgusting.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24794 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1542 times:



Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 7):
prove it

Last time I checked this was not a court of law.


However when you have the owners and leadership of large news organizations like the NY Times, Washington Post, Tribune Group, CNN being some of America's largest Democratic donors then it appears there is an agenda or bias. Look at Ted Turner for example who has open political advocacy including funding support of abortion-rights lobby and various green groups.

For more academic proof take a look at UCLA(a liberal school) study from 2005 which found a national media bias and that most major media outlets tilt to the left. Of the 20 major media outlets studied, 18 scored left of center.
Synopsis can be read at:
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla...-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx

Then add in the fact that reporters by a large majority vote democratic. No matter how unbiased one wants to be personal opinions do leak into reporting and views taken.
Pew Center poll of Washington journalist found the proportion of liberals to conservatives in the press was 3-to-1 or 4-to-1. In 2004 only 7% said they were conservative.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten.../Articles/000/000/004/143lkblo.asp



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13507 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1499 times:
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Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 6):
My impression of Olbermann is that he really dislikes people who disagree with him.

 checkmark 

At least, that's how it APPEARS. And this is coming from someone who genuinely likes Keith Olbermann and thinks he's an intelligent, thought-provoking guy. He comes across as smug and superior, and does create the impression that he flat-out dislikes anyone who doesn't share his opinion.

Now in all honesty I doubt that's really the case with the man in reality, but nevertheless, that's how he comes across - and it can be very grating at times.

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 11):
At least Bill Maher is entertaining.

Huh? Since when?



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User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1488 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
For more academic proof take a look at UCLA(a liberal school) study from 2005 which found a national media bias and that most major media outlets tilt to the left. Of the 20 major media outlets studied, 18 scored left of center.

I don't understand how the study was able to justify using the votes of a consistently dysfunctional congress to determine the views of average Americans. The votes of congress are a representation of the views of rich, powerful, mostly white men. Most of congress (both Democrats and Republicans) is working for themselves, and not the average citizen. I don't think this study

Further, why should it be surprising that there would be more mentions of liberal causes than conservative? Change and pushing the limits makes news, preserving the status quo doesn't.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
No matter how unbiased one wants to be personal opinions do leak into reporting and views taken.

I'll give you this point. The job of a reporter is to try and not allow their views to seep into their reporting, but it is bound to occasionally happen.

I think where people get confused is when they try to believe that the shows by Olbermann, O'Reilly, Hannity, Dobbs, or any of those hour long "news shows" are unbiased. They are all hour long editorials, and should not be treated as news.

When I watch the actual news, I see the overall tone of MSNBC to be to the left, CNN somewhere around the middle, and FoxNews to the right. The evening news on ABC, NBC, and CBS are thirty minute drug commercials, with superficial mention of news occasionally thrown in.

I agree with the move to get Olbermann off of the political coverage. He is certainly biased even when off of his show, and deserved to be replaced. I would have no problem with him continuing "countdown" because I don't consider it news, but entertainment just like his mortal enemy Bill O'Reilly's show.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1463 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 4):
If we're going to have one network that is thoroughly biased (FOX), I don't see what's wrong with a handful of anchors on another network being biased.

Fact is FOX is not nearly biased as NBC is. Also Bill and Sean are ratings winners because mostly of their fair and balanced approach. Sure they are GOP but they are not even close to this moron who got his walking papers. Thank you NBC, finally you did something right.


User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1449 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
Also Bill and Sean are ratings winners because mostly of their fair and balanced approach.

Bill and Sean are ratings winners because they are good at shouting down anyone that disagrees with them, and it makes for amusing entertainment. They are no more fair or balanced than Olbermann.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26357 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1448 times:



Quoting RedFlyer (Thread starter):
Looks like MSNBC couldn't stand the heat it was taking for Olbermann running his sewer on the Republicans.

Oh please. FOX is a perpetual sewer of right wing coverage.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Well to start with the near entire US media enterprise is left leaning, so I would not get too worked up about lone FOX and its slant. If you dont like, no need to watch it.

The problem with FOX is that they openly claim to be "fair and balanced" while doing the opposite.

Quoting Slider (Reply 12):
And his comments about Sarah last week were just repulsive and disgusting.

How so? He was right on.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):

For more academic proof take a look at UCLA(a liberal school)

A liberal school? I actually went to UCLA and 1) the school is not particularly left leaning and 2) the American Politics section of the Political Science department, where I did my major concentration, is actually very right leaning. Tim Groseclose is no exception there, and he used a completely flawed methodology when doing that study.

http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/2005/12/the_problems_wi.html

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):

Fact is FOX is not nearly biased as NBC is.

You are joking, right?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
Also Bill and Sean are ratings winners because mostly of their fair and balanced approach.

O'Reilly and Hannity are ratings "winners" because they do raw meat hate radio that sells to the lowest common denominator.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24794 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1434 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
A liberal school? I actually went to UCLA

Myself also, and as other UC schools I found UCLA to be very liberal in course work, staff opinions and campus atmosphere, and dont believe it has changed much since the 80s.



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User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4312 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1428 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
Quoting RedFlyer (Thread starter):
Looks like MSNBC couldn't stand the heat it was taking for Olbermann running his sewer on the Republicans.

Oh please. FOX is a perpetual sewer of right wing coverage.

Perhaps. But I don't see FOX whacking their prime-time line up for any negative heat they're taking. And I also don't see their ratings in the sewer like MSNBC's has been.



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User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1418 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 14):
Huh? Since when?

That's a matter of opinion. If you lean more conservatively and/or can't laugh at politicians, you don't like him. That being said, I don't think you really have to like or share his views to find him funny. I don't agree with all that he says, but I find it presented in a humorous manner.

[Edited 2008-09-08 15:37:57]


Hey Swifty
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26357 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1402 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
Myself also, and as other UC schools I found UCLA to be very liberal in course work, staff opinions and campus atmosphere

One, it is not particularly liberal. Two, like I said, the section of the department that produced this study, one I studied in myself, is considered very right leaning, and Groseclose is no exception.

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 20):
But I don't see FOX whacking their prime-time line up for any negative heat they're taking.

One, Olbermann himself ASKED for this because he did not feel he could handle the coverage in an unbiased way. Meanwhile, the people at FOX still pretend they are "fair and balanced"

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 20):
And I also don't see their ratings in the sewer like MSNBC's has been.

Really? Then how come MSNBC's ratings, especially among the key demographic, are climbing while those at FOX have tanked?



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User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

I actually wish he would have stayed on. Olbermann's comments made it so easy to
show how in love NBC is with Obama.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
O'Reilly and Hannity are ratings "winners" because they do raw meat hate radio that sells to the lowest common denominator.

Hannity is a right-wing nutjob who gets too worked-up about insignificant things.
O'Reilly is more middle/center. He's basically a blowhard that likes to hear himself speak.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21500 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1391 times:



Quoting Daedaeg (Reply 9):
Olbermann is a commentator and should be view as such.

 checkmark  The anchor's desk is the wrong place for him.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 17):
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
Also Bill and Sean are ratings winners because mostly of their fair and balanced approach.

Bill and Sean are ratings winners because they are good at shouting down anyone that disagrees with them, and it makes for amusing entertainment.

Absolutely. If you think that either O'Reilly or Hannity are fair and balanced, you need your head examined.

-Mir



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25 Stratosphere : I tend to think they are fair and balanced. They may lean a little right but they do seen to give the other side their say.. I have grown pretty much
26 N1120A : In what universe?
27 RedFlyer : Something tells me a guy that is so self aggrandizing like he is would NEVER ask to be removed from the spot light, especially on something so near t
28 Stratosphere : Are you still holding a grudge against O'reilly for his boycott of France? Actually my favorite is not even on Fox but CNN and that is Lou Dobbs.
29 RayChuang : I think the biggest problem with Olbermann is that he lets his ego get in the way at times. Staffers at ESPN who used to work with him when Olbermann
30 EA CO AS : Source? Frankly, I can't see anyone on TV news voluntarily asking for less camera time, as it's counterproductive from a career standpoint - especial
31 L-188 : Who where the two that wheren't Well I liked him in "Cannibal Women in the Avacado Jungle of Death". He has pretty much sucked since then. Wanna bet?
32 N1120A : O'Reilly's childish "boycott" has nothing to do with why I can't stand the guy. Dobbs used to be good, but he has let his crazy xenophobia get the be
33 LAXintl : According to their study Fox News and The Washington Times were the two that scored to the right. The most centerist outlets were PBS News Hour, CNN N
34 Stratosphere : So he is Xenophobe because he wants to secure our borders? Hey it would be nice if we can absorb the whole world and give them a better life but we c
35 JM017 : Honestly, just about every journalist has been tagged as having some kind of bias, either left or right. Some of he claims are obviously true, some ar
36 Mir : ...so that they can ridicule them. That's not fair and balanced. -Mir
37 L-188 : No that is Keith Olbermann....which is why he got sacked from doing the desk.
38 EA CO AS : I did read the article, and it actually appears to suggest rather strongly that while Olbermann may have been "consulted," the move was not initiated
39 D L X : You can red flag it if you like, but the article that Drudge linked when this first came down clearly stated that Olbermann initiated the discussion.
40 NIKV69 : What a surprise, a liberal giving not credit to the people that watch and listen to someone that doesn't agree with him. Typical. Fact is they like s
41 Alias1024 : Crazy much? Both sides have these windbags. Whether it's Olbermann and Franken or Hannity and O'Reilly, it's the same tactic. Bring on both sides, li
42 PacNWjet : At least O'Reilly and (to a lesser extent) Hannity make an effort to comprehend the views of those with whom they disagree. Olbermann gives the impre
43 Slider : More rational analysis from the left. This is why political discussions with you always lead nowhere. Nice to nkow your world is so extremely bifurca
44 Luv2cattlecall : I used to be in denial about that...but Olbermann's juvenile "Worst Person in the world" thing of Arpey because AA charged the soldier for the bag (t
45 N1120A : You act like xenophobia doesn't exist, which is blatantly untrue, especially in the case of Dobbs. No, he is a xenophobe because he advocates a scorc
46 NIKV69 : Your going to tell me that Sean and Bill are the same as Franken and Olbermann? It is you that needs his head examined. There is reason Matthews and
47 Slider : Don't put words in my mouth. I'm sure there are a few isolationist xenophobes out there. Then there are realists, of which Dobbs is one of. Can you k
48 N1120A : That is Dobbs' biggest problem, he is not actually a realist. The "kick 'em out yesterday" policy he so staunchly advocates both ignores reality (20%
49 Slider : Support, please. Although I agree with many of your other points and how you expounded on them. Had you done that in the first place, it wouldhave be
50 Post contains links N1120A : Ever read that pamphlet from his camp? http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/paul.newsletters/index.html The problem is, the visceral way in which D
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