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F1 2008, Italian Grand Prix  
User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1170 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

The Spa-Francorchamps thread was very interesting, just like the race, but has turned into a big argument over Lewis Hamilton, Massa, Raikkonen, Ferrari etc.

So I am taking the liberty of starting a new thread for discussion of this weekend's Italian Grand Prix at Monza, with the hope that the gibber on the other thread is kept there unless new developments come out of the appeal against Lewis' demotion.

Here's a lap video on-board with Michael Schumacher from the 2006 qualifying round there...



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12631 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3217 times:
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Quoting Boeing74741R (Thread starter):
So I am taking the liberty of starting a new thread for discussion of this weekend's Italian Grand Prix at Monza

The new thread is appreciated (and needed!) Monza is one of my favourite circuits, I'm really looking forward to this race.

Quoting Boeing74741R (Thread starter):
with the hope that the gibber on the other thread is kept there unless new developments come out of the appeal against Lewis' demotion.

Yes, please keep this thread on-topic for the Monza race. Any further discussion about Spa should continue in the existing thread:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ms/non_aviation/read.main/1966202/



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4967 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3216 times:

For now, the only thing I'm hoping for on Sunday is a lot of SUN!!!!
To make it exciting despite no rain, I wouldn't mind a couple opf safety cars in the middle, but keep the rain away!  Wink



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3208 times:

All I can say at this time is rain, please rain, tons of rain! Lightning and thunder, please! A big bad storm in Monza on Sunday during the GP!  cheerful 


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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4967 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3207 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
All I can say at this time is rain, please rain, tons of rain! Lightning and thunder, please! A big bad storm in Monza on Sunday during the GP!

ok now that's just mean  Wink

What I am confident about is that Ferrari does have a car that is good for a fast circuit like Monza, and both Massa and Kimi have proven to be fast under the proper conditions ... and they're racing at home. Maybe I'm dreaming but a nice 1-2 would not bother me



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User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3205 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
All I can say at this time is rain, please rain, tons of rain! Lightning and thunder, please! A big bad storm in Monza on Sunday during the GP!

And what, have it canceled? No thanks!


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4967 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3202 times:



Quoting Moo (Reply 5):
And what, have it canceled? No thanks!

How bad does it have to be to get it called off and if it does, do they reschedule or does it get definitely suspended?



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3202 times:

I'm hoping for rain, and maybe with luck, even a victory by Timo Glock, Sebastian Vettel or even Nick Heidfeld, just to piss off Ferrari and the other big squads.  Silly

User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

I'll through all my Politics aside and say that Monza should be a good circuit.

One thing that is interesting is that both Ferrari's will be on New Engines, I don't know if Lewis will be on the same from Spa or not, and I also don't know what Kova's on.

But it is a really fast circuit with low downforce. With some Rain or a colder track, the McLarens are favored here....no doubt about that. With no rain and a colder track...I think McLaren are still favoured. With sun and a Hot track...Its Ferrari's race to lose. All I hope is that if a Ferrari has to win...let it be Kimi...and if he wins...here's hoping for Lewis to come in Second.

BUT...I would LOVE for rain...not because I want Lewis to win (well yes i do)..But because it'll make the race...REALLY exciting...because Monza doesn't have much action otherwise....because of its long straights, and not too many corners.


User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3192 times:



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 8):

One thing that is interesting is that both Ferrari's will be on New Engines,

Raikkonen is still on an old engine isn't he? His engine blew in Valencia so Spa would have been his 1st race on a new engine.



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3183 times:



Quoting Gman94 (Reply 9):
Raikkonen is still on an old engine isn't he? His engine blew in Valencia so Spa would have been his 1st race on a new engine.

Yeah..but I think because he crashed out..he's permitted to have a new engine.


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4967 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3180 times:



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 8):
BUT...I would LOVE for rain...not because I want Lewis to win (well yes i do)..But because it'll make the race...REALLY exciting

rain is even more exciting if it shows up at the end or in the middle of the race like last sunday, when it kind of takes everyone by surprise and everyone starts spinning all over (or crashing against walls!). Massa should practice just in case for the next couple of days to drive his car through the car wash and see if he can go straight. Then he might have a chance on Sunday (to finish the race!)



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User currently offlineRockson From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3177 times:



Quoting Gman94 (Reply 9):
Raikkonen is still on an old engine isn't he?

Correct. But I expect him to be strong, given that he has nothing to lose.
If Kimi takes more points than Massa, it would decrease Massa's chances to become world champion. This has made me think, will Ferrari tell Kimi to back off to help Massa, or will they allow him to fight for the win?

Any news on the weather forecast?


User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

I'd like Massa to win, or Kimi to finally get his act together and drive a normal race. And for BMW Sauber to make a normal less than 12 seconds Pit-Stop number 2 for Kubica, and a little less help for Heidfeld this time.

KS/codesahre



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User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3175 times:



Quoting Rockson (Reply 12):
Any news on the weather forecast?

According to the latest forecast on the BBC the weather for the Milan area is heavy showers for Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Ferrari had better put some water skis on their cars to keep up with Hamilton.
 Big grin



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User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3173 times:



Quoting Gman94 (Reply 14):
Ferrari had better put some water skis on their cars to keep up with Hamilton.

Water skis? How about some water wings?!  duck 


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12631 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3162 times:
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Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 4):
What I am confident about is that Ferrari does have a car that is good for a fast circuit like Monza, and both Massa and Kimi have proven to be fast under the proper conditions ... and they're racing at home. Maybe I'm dreaming but a nice 1-2 would not bother me

What a surprise!  wink 

Let me just suggest that things may not be as straight forward as you would like.
1) The McLaren seems to handle the big kerbs of the Monza chicanes better than the Ferrari.
2) Last year Alonso and Hamilton inflicted a crushing 1-2 on Ferrari in their own back-yard!
3) The weather looks as though it will not do Ferrari any favours.



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4967 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3148 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 16):
1) The McLaren seems to handle the big kerbs of the Monza chicanes better than the Ferrari.

I know  Sad

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 16):
2) Last year Alonso and Hamilton inflicted a crushing 1-2 on Ferrari in their own back-yard!

I know  Sad

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 16):
3) The weather looks as though it will not do Ferrari any favours

Now I know!  Sad

 Wink


But eventually Ferrari's drivers will have to have a good race under the water. KR is not that bad actually with those conditions ... yes, for the wdc Massa has to win, but I don't mind. In any case, the good thing of heavy rain is that no one can no for sure who will win because these races tend to have many many changes.

I can´t wait!!



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3145 times:



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 17):
In any case, the good thing of heavy rain is that no one can no for sure who will win because these races tend to have many many changes.

Yeah....tell me about it...I mean...remember last year in Fuji when it was downpouring....and there were all these guys in the lead...Lots of Changes to P1.

No...wait...that was mostly all Hamilton.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3129 times:



Quoting Gman94 (Reply 14):
Ferrari had better put some water skis on their cars to keep up with Hamilton. Big grin

Oh... I absolutely love this!  hyper 

Maybe the spirit in the New Hadron Collider will send lots of rain on Monza Sunday afternoon.  Yeah sure  Confused



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3125 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):
Maybe the spirit in the New Hadron Collider will send lots of rain on Monza Sunday afternoon.

Possibly, but I don't think that was its main purpose, useful as it might be. Don't forget rain often means safety cars, and one safety car at the "right" moment can entirely spoil our day Madame!  Wow!


User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3117 times:



Quoting Rockson (Reply 12):
This has made me think, will Ferrari tell Kimi to back off to help Massa, or will they allow him to fight for the win?

According to Kimi he is still in the race for the WDC. And if he manage to quali ahead of Massa, or being overall faster, I don't think he will be restricted to back off.

To win at Monza is not all about points for Ferrari, it's a matter of not losing their heads in front of their huge home crowd as Italians are a very proud people. So you can bet that Ferrari is pulling that little bit extra out of everyone in the team to bring this home, and honestly, I think they are able to do it. Not with Massa but with Kimi as he is simply overall faster then Massa in race conditions.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3112 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 20):
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):
Maybe the spirit in the New Hadron Collider will send lots of rain on Monza Sunday afternoon.

Possibly, but I don't think that was its main purpose, useful as it might be. Don't forget rain often means safety cars, and one safety car at the "right" moment can entirely spoil our day Madame! Wow!

I was trying to find some good use for the CERN machine before they really put it into action. Let it bring big rain to the track on GP day. Monza is not that far away from Geneva after all. Maybe the LHC vibrations and the giant statue of Shiva at CERN will send a call to the Rain God.  laughing 

You are right about the safety cars, though... they can indeed spoil a race at least for us GP fans.  Sad



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8458 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3099 times:

Monza isn't far from CERN so it will be the first to get sucked in to the black hole.

User currently offlineRockson From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3087 times:

30 years ago today F1 driver Ronnie Peterson died as the result of a terrible crash at Monza. R.I.P.

[Edited 2008-09-11 07:47:41]

25 SandroZRH : Help for Heidfeld? The decision to go for the full-wets in Spa was heidfelds own decision not the teams, and a brilliant decision at that. Kubica cou
26 MadameConcorde : That many years already... Time certainly goes fast. This is why I never wish for any driver from any team to crash during the races or trials or qua
27 Boeing74741R : Not only can it upturn the standings it can make or break pit stop strategies, and that has a knock on effect on where the driver finishes.
28 BlueElephant : Dear Lewis Hamilton, If the Safety car comes out, and its about time for you to Pit anyway....do it. No more horsing around with last minute passing t
29 StealthZ : How time flies... In Memory of Ronnie, George Harrison's tribute to the F1 circus
30 Baroque : Dear BluE Thanks for your kind hints. However, I do like to make things more exciting. These cars just going round and round can be really boring and
31 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Hamilton puts Spa saga behind him Lewis Hamilton says he will not allow last Sunday's dramatic events in Spa to distract him at the Italian Grand Prix
32 Rockson : Why on earth can't he be more humble? "We had the same amount of grip," said Hamilton. "That's the way he drives." "If you don't have the balls to br
33 Bill142 : He's a racing car driver. Racing car drivers are never wrong. At least in their individual minds.
34 Gman94 : Only Hamilton is wrong or arrogant according to some people even though the very nature of the sport breeds arrogant and self centered people. Like S
35 Scbriml : 1st practice just finished, with far from everyone running as it was very wet. No meaningful times set. Most of the action seen in the pits was moppin
36 Flyboysp : Maybe they should be racing ducks in this weather, or even fish
37 MadameConcorde : The Large Hadron Collider's influence on Monza is a reality. Go Rain! Go!
38 EZEIZA : How the hell can someone who's been in F1 for just a few minutes even remotly want to compare himself to a 7-time champion? Not even Alonso would say
39 Sudden : You are for real!? I would be very careful wishing rain so much as Hamilton are nothing but human, and makes mistakes. And let me add, Hamilton will
40 Gman94 : Well he's been more succesful after a year and a half then all those drivers were in their first year and a half and I still believe he is the best d
41 MadameConcorde : Yes I am for real, in the sense that adding a bit of humour to this thread won't hurt. Have to take the weather as it is, rain or shine. No one in th
42 Sudden : Seeing you are as biased as you are, I didn't even think you were joking. Aim for the sky! Sudden
43 StealthZ : Were they really? What have we seen from Lewis so far? By most measures he is a relative newcomer to Formula 1, has anyone compared his first 30 odd
44 MadameConcorde : Not even allowed to joke about the Large Hadron Collider! Wow! Where te heck is your sense of humour and what's wrong about me preferring one driver
45 Codeshare : Exactly. Compare this with Kubica's stats.... they're more like MS. Hamilton was nurtured for a long long time. All the other drivers stated in slowe
46 Bill142 : Their aim was to win, and they got it. But Kubica is still an outside chance for the championship. If they get their act together they could play an
47 EZEIZA : But he hasn't won anything yet compared to the list. It's like Robinho saying he's above Pele. It just does not make sense since there isn't even a c
48 Post contains links Bill142 : No luck to 2011 at the earliest as Raikkonens contract has been extended. And somehow I think BMW will go all out to hang on to him. http://www.autos
49 EZEIZA : And who can blame them! But if Kubica does not join Ferrari and Alonso does you'll see a sad person here at least its almost sure that for 2009 we'll
50 Sudden : If it's not skincolor then it's the woman vs man issue. So the knowledge about this sport is based on how many races you have attended, and how many
51 Post contains links Baroque : Gotta be careful with humour MadameC. First off it is rationed. Second, no matter how bizarre the item brought into the humour someone will assume it
52 Post contains links Gman94 : Raikkon quickest in today's afternoon practice, Massa has a case of deja vu and goes off five times in the wet morning practice. The Ferrari's may as
53 Scbriml : The session was "greasy" to start, but dried out as more and more cars went out. Some radio transmissions had drivers saying there were still wet spo
54 MadameConcorde : Great post, Baroque! Only a couple more days to go!
55 BlueElephant : I hope they do Spoil a Party or two...because thats less points for Ferrari (and McLaren)...If Hamilton gets first and the BMWs come into the the hig
56 Boeing74741R : I'll believe that when he beats Schumacher's records. Cocky git! Perhaps it's down to the holes he now appears to be digging himself in to? Exactly.
57 Boeing74741R : That puts to bed the rumours earlier on this season that Kimi Raikkonen will announce his retirement at the end of this season.
58 Post contains links BlueElephant : Posted in the other thread as well....Clarification of the 'rules' http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70526 The Official Rule on Cutting the
59 BlueElephant : I'd also LIke to throw this out there... Did anyone see Robert Kubica spin in the First corner during the second practice today? My thoughts are..if t
60 EZEIZA : Webber makes an interesting point: "But generally, it is pretty clear for people to probably not attack immediately again, which wasn't mega, mega cle
61 StealthZ : They haven't put it on paper now, it is yet another verbal ruling that gets trotted out when they deem fit. Oh! and we have seen lately how much weig
62 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Weather forecast - Monza - Today and tomorrow. http://weather.yahoo.com/Monza-Italy/ITXX0049/forecast.html
63 Baroque : Sorry about today's weather, I was pedalling too fast on the LH Collider. Did you realise you could abbreviate it to that MadameConcorde? Question is
64 Astuteman : When you express an opinion, you should say as much. A large number of people would disagree.... Yup. We all saw the evidence of that last year.....
65 Bill142 : Perhaps if a certain Lewis Hamilton was to start driving for Ferrari that opinion might change
66 EZEIZA : not really. I think Alonso is a good driver and I really don't want him in Ferrari. And I'm not biased, I think Hamilton is better than Massa Despite
67 Gman94 : Hamilton and Raikkonen eliminated in 2nd qualifying. Bad error by McLaren, Hamilton goes out on inters when the conditions are not good enough and fai
68 EZEIZA : I'm watching the quali online and with no audio and the feed is far from good, but did the track conditions wrosen between Q1 and Q2? Kimi and Lewis a
69 Flyboysp : I'm worried about Kimi's lack of speed. I mean, Hamlilton took a gamble, and lost, but i'm unaware of any errors on Kimis part. Still happy about the
70 Gman94 : Track conditions were best right at the start of Q2, for some reason Hamilton and McLaren went out on inters but the conditions weren't good. By the
71 Madameconcorde : I knew that the Large Hadron Collider would bring rain to Monza. I was right. I cannot find a live webcast of the qualifying that works. Dammit!
72 Gman94 : Pole for Vettel! Great scenes in the Torro Rosso garage.
73 SandroZRH : hahaha, best qualifying of the season
74 Post contains links EZEIZA : it's finished now, but for the nex time, try www.rojadirecta.com (am I allowed to post this? if not please delete!) Amazing!!! Tomorrow even if it do
75 Flyboysp : I only noted the top 15, but it is as follows 1.Vettel 2.Kovalainen 3.Webber 4.Bourdais 5.Rosberg 6.Massa 7.Trulli 8.Alonso 9.Glock 10. Heidfeld 11.Ku
76 MadameConcorde : It will make the race even more interesting, I agree. There will be more rain in Monza tomorrow but not torrential I think. Just "normal" rain. The L
77 Bill142 : Amazing out come. Tomorrows race is going to be the most exciting of the year to date.
78 MadameConcorde : They will all have to watch for spinnings and crashes. Me thinks there is going to be some action tomorrow! The Large Hadron Collider Rules!
79 EZEIZA : interesting, just now I realized that Kimi ended up in front of Lewis ... team play? Will Kimi slow lewis down so Massa can get away or will Kimi do
80 Sudden : Hm, Where did Hamilton the rainmaster-I have bigger balls-being-equal-to-Schumi went!!!??? Oh he's back at P15. Now he can start eating his own words.
81 BlueElephant : I don't think Kimi would take the time to hold down Hamilton for Massa's sake...holding him down for his own sake would be possible (if Massa benefit
82 SandroZRH : I couldn't help myself but laugh at this aswell. And why he went for the intermediates is, well, rather "interesting". He might be a good driver, but
83 Flyboysp : To be honest, i thought that Kimi may have abandoned his last lap to ensure that Massa did not fall into the drop out zone. So a potential championsh
84 Flyboysp : He took a gamble that did not pay off. Right idea, wrong time.
85 EZEIZA : Judging by the result, it wasn´t the right idea maybe it can be said that he had "the balls" to do it, but obviously it was a poor tactic.
86 Alessandro : I don´t think anyone can try to hold up anyone in the back of the field, it´s a lion den and easy to crash back there. BTW Vettel set a record, youn
87 BlueElephant : I think he messed up in his last flying lap...and realized that because he messed up he probably didn't have a chance...I don't think Kimi's at a poi
88 Sudden : Gamble, idea!? Give me a break. He couldn't handle it, period! Aim for the sky! Sudden
89 Gman94 : Well he was the only one to try inters so that would class it as a gamble, now Raikkonen on the other hand who took no gamble just plain sucked in th
90 SAS A340 : hamilton will pass Massa and then be punished by 1 ore 2 minutes and Massa is to continue the race while everybody need to do a Stop and Go! The Formu
91 BlueElephant : In fairness to all the drivers, it really did seem that conditions tended to worsen as the conditions went on. And as far as I remember in Q2, when th
92 EZEIZA : Don't know if it was his decision or the team, but I'm going to assume it was his. The decision proved to be wrong. Yes, he gambled, but he should ha
93 StealthZ : Having trouble with this... The red mist crowd are bashing Hamilton for taking a gamble and failing yet they are not similarly critical of their hero
94 Astuteman : Hamilton was on inters for all of Q2 Yup. Shocking. He only made 15th on the wrong tyre. Just the one place behind Kimi Raikkonen on the right tyre..
95 Sudden : I'm far from biased, and my earlier posts support that as well. I'm just stating the obvious, which sucks bigtime for all Hamilton fans. Sure, I want
96 Gman94 : No, he returned to the pits after the out lap on inters to put full wets on.
97 Sudden : Amusing point. Interesting? No, but sure amusing as the rainmaster was only left with rain and no master. I mean, he should have easily been able to
98 Rockson : So basically, Kimi was faster than Hamilton using the same tyres?
99 BlueElephant : He pitted in Q2 to go back to Wets.... I don't particularly think that Hamilton had a very good Qualifying session. But I will be completely honest..
100 BlueElephant : This might sound biased....But....I'd be careful with such a statement...If i recall correctly..Kimi got his best time on the right tire....when the
101 Legoguy : Guys, remember theres a full race tomorrow where anything can happen. No point in jumping up and down excitedly now based on qualifying results. If ra
102 EZEIZA : No sir, I'm the first one to criticize Kimi and Massa for underperforming under the rain. But neither Kimi nor Massa would have the audacity to compa
103 Legoguy : And to all those laughing at Hamilton during qualifying, admittedly I have to agree and laugh along with you. After mouthing off about Raikkonen 'not
104 Boeing74741R : Would he like cream, ice cream or custard with his humble pie? Congratulations to Vettel and the Toro Rosso team. Roll on an interesting race tomorro
105 EZEIZA : Never! especially if it doesn't rain (unlikely) where he´ll be able to pass relatively easy most of the guys in front of him. the same goes for Kimi
106 MadameConcorde : There is weather trouble in the whole region. We had violent hail/rain/lightning storms tonight. I could see lightnings very far on the Italian side.
107 LTU932 : That race is going to be fun tomorrow. Once again, the theory that modern-day overregulated F1 is much more exiting when there's rain has been proven
108 Andz : Is no one watching the race? Almost 12 hours since the post in this thread?
109 BlueElephant : People usually post hear....just at the end of the race....hold your horses mate...i'm only posting..because of the damn commercials
110 Flyboysp : There has been a surprising amount of overtaking happening in my opinion. Hamilton's on a nice charge. In my opinion there have been 2 "interesting" o
111 Andz : hmmm every other F1 thread has an almost blow by blow account of the race! No commercials here...
112 BlueElephant : You'll get the massive amount of posts after the race...not to worry.
113 Post contains images EZEIZA : Congrats to Vettel!!!!!!!!! It's nice to see him enjoying this ... he can't believe it! Listening to the German and Italian anthems reminds me of MS d
114 RFields5421 : Well - it was an unanticipated finish / race I always like it when someone wins their first race.
115 BlueElephant : WOW!...>Vettel!!!..That was fantastic!...I am impressed... Kinda upset with Hamilton's performance....again...they made a tire mistake. Had they given
116 SandroZRH : Congratulations to Vettel, what an awesome race Good performance by Kubica aswell, from 11th to 3rd.
117 Andz : Great drive by Vettel, I think Hamilton and a couple of others were undone by the weather forecast. Have you ever seen a bigger grin on the podium?
118 Legoguy : B747forever isn't around... Best race of the season so far. Fantastic drives by Vettel and Kubica so kudos to them. I guess Hamilton restored some of
119 Bill142 : Very good drive by Vettel! good to see another race winner. That is our 6th different race winner this season! The last time there were 6 different ra
120 Bartonsayswhat : Brilliant Drive by Vettel, the STR car suited the conditions very well. Shame for Bourdais with the gearbox at the start as i thought he was going to
121 BlueElephant : I was thinking that too, And I was wondering I think it has to do with the Engine...I think he dialed down the engine slightly, because it was his se
122 ScrubbsYWG : brilliantly fantastic drive by Vettel and the a great job by the toro rosso team to back him up. I don't think ANYONE can say there was any luck invol
123 Post contains links BlueElephant : Other things not yet mentioned. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70609 Massa used his Free Engine Change....That could be something really
124 Boeing74741R : Congratulations to Vettel for a thoroughly deserved first win! Had it rained he would've been in a prime position to win as in his only planned pit-st
125 Alessandro : Glad they started behind the safety car, imagine a normal start and Bourdais standing there with 16 cars behind him to pass, could´ve been very nasty
126 Legoguy : If they started without a safety car then they'd have had a formation lap, thus it wouldn't have made too much difference. Infact, if they had a norm
127 LTU932 : Congrats to Sebastian Vettel on a spectacular victory! It's great to see a German driver once again at the top of the podium. And also, congrats to Ge
128 MadameConcorde : The Monza GP was really great today, and very eventful with so much action and surprises on all sides, no idle time and not a minute to get bored. Gre
129 Astuteman : Hearty congratulations to Seb Vettel. Awesome race. Funny in a way, after the scorn thrown at his "rainmeister" status, that the only reason Hammy did
130 Rockson : So was his car. The Ferraris are not quick enough inte the wet.
131 ScrubbsYWG : By most accounts, kovi should have won that race. As brilliant as vettel was, and he truly was, it was a mclaren that started second and he could bar
132 Scbriml : That was a tough call. At the time he pitted, everyone was expecting more rain.
133 EZEIZA : That's true. In fact if I'm not mistaken wasn't there a radio communication with Alonso where they told him to expect rain and that would last for a
134 StealthZ : There was. One would have thought so, which makes some of the early changes to intermediates seem brave. Lewis' first tyre change (refitting "monsoon
135 Scbriml : Strictly speaking, the race did start under a SC! But yes, a run of circuits where SC interruptions are unlikely has been good. However, with a night
136 Baroque : Noted - and Scbriml's protest at your observation also noted and dismissed* on the grounds that you were presumably referring to the loss of any lead
137 Scbriml : Pah! Seconded! We all like to imagine that we could do a half-decent job of driving an F1 car round a dry, sunny track, but the on-board shots from t
138 Boeing74741R : Lewis's last pit stop, if you remember, was unscheduled as he was on a one-stop strategy. Had he stayed out on full wets he would've worn the wets ou
139 Bill142 : Not really, he couldn't come within a brass wazoo of Raikkonen in those early laps. It wasn't about until 10 laps in that Lewis Hamilton actually got
140 EZEIZA : I agree. In fact, when Alonso was the first one to change I thought to myself "big mistake!" Turns out Renault and the crybaby made a good call
141 Codeshare : Congrats Vettel ! Little sorry for Bourdais. Good consistent drive from Kova, but more from Kubica (11th to 3rd). As for LH, he drove overaggressively
142 Moo : A great Top Gear to watch is the one where Hammond takes a Renault F1 car (2005 vintage) around a circuit. His experiences suggest that anything a no
143 BlueElephant : When I read Scbriml's Post I thought the exact same thing...Its a lot harder then it looks...Its really hard to drive those things...Slowly...and its
144 Scbriml : I did say "We'd like to imagine..."
145 B747forever : Well what can I say, congrats Vettel. That young man has a future in F1. Really glad that he won. The race in its self was good. Wonder how Ferrari wi
146 Post contains links BlueElephant : F1 Discussion...Moved here. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ms/non_aviation/read.main/1977325/
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