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The Pope Travels To Paris And Lourdes  
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Time for changing the flag!

Pope Benedict will be on his way to Paris this morning arriving at Orly airport where he will be received by President Sarkozy and wife Carla Bruni at 11.15 AM. He will be in Paris today and tomorrow. The second part of his visit will be to the Shrine of Lourdes.  pray 

I have not found much coverage in English. Most of what I have found for now is in French. A livecast of all the events can be seen on this site, only it is with French comments.
http://www.tv-direct.fr/live_ktotv.php

The complete travel and events program from the Vatican website:
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/be.../travels/2008/index_francia_en.htm

The complete program of the Pontiff's time in Paris:
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-fra...ciper-au-voyage-de-benoit-xvi-.php

Any A.netters with flights and transport details, please feel free to participate. It would be nice that there be no feud over religious matters.  crossfingers 

Let us wish the Pope to have good flights and a very happy journey!  cheerful 


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

The aircraft registration is I-BIXV.
National anthems are being played.
The Pope looks well. Sarko and Madam look very relaxed.
Military honours to the Republican Guard and First Infantry Regiment.
This is the reception of a Head of State.
The Pope will leave the airport accompanied by his Secretary of State, in a big black Mercedes, going to the Vatican Embassy for a quick stop and on to the Presidential Palace for an official visit, speeches and a reception by the govnrnment.
No Pope Mobile yet.

[Edited 2008-09-12 02:31:36]


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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

I'm really pleased he's being well received. He's doing a good job and maybe he might think of coming to the UK very soon.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2359 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 2):
maybe he might think of coming to the UK very soon.

The UK would need to send him an official invitation. I am sure he would be happy to oblige.

It would be really neat to see the PopeMobile entering Buckingham Palace surrounded by the Queen's horse guards. The Pope and the Royal family all at the balcony with a Red Arrows Flypast! I would love to see this!

I am not sure if the Queen, who is the Head of the Anglican Church can formally invite the Pope. There might be a problem with the protocol there. Maybe the PM can invite him? I am not sure how such a visit can be arranged.



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User currently offlineF.pier From Italy, joined Aug 2000, 1524 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

Imagine if Alitalia stopped flying.... he should return to Rome from Girona with a FR flight, I think he would buy the priority boarding...

 Smile


User currently offlineDocPepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

I think he's taking Air France home. He usually takes Altitalia out of Rome and the airline of the country he's visiting out of that country.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2310 times:

The Pope is scheduled to fly from the Paris-Orly airport to Tarbes this afternoon at 4.30 PM. I wonder what aircraft will fly him to the airport of Tarbes near to the city of Lourdes.

I wish they would take him flying on one of the all-fitted testing A380s from Airbus with one of their fabled chief test pilots at the helm. He could be shown around the new plane and the cockpit during flight. I don't know why Airbus did not think about it. Tarbes is just a short hop from Toulouse to take the aircraft back to its home base.

Not Concorde, but at least a technological novelty. I think Airbus could have done it. Would have made a great commercial op for them to have an A380 Pope flight.

Happy flying Pope Benedict!!



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12118 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2303 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
I think Airbus could have done it. Would have made a great commercial op for them to have an A380 Pope flight.

I would wager a bet that the Pope does not do commercials.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
I wish they would take him flying on one of the all-fitted testing A380s from Airbus with one of their fabled chief test pilots at the helm. He could be shown around the new plane and the cockpit during flight. I don't know why Airbus did not think about it. Tarbes is just a short hop from Toulouse to take the aircraft back to its home base.

What an incredible waste of resources.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

While following a summary of the day's events tonight, I learned something interesting... Website reporters are now able to get official accreditation and press passes for covering the Pope's travels.  Wow! I wonder what their policy is concerning those who do remote coverage?  Confused Maybe they will provide all the details related to the Pope's transport and main travel logistics?  Confused

260,000 attended the open air Mass in Paris and over 60,000 including volunteers coming all the way from Hawaii and Japan were in Lourdes tonight. The Man in White definitely draws huge crowds.



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User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2280 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
I am not sure if the Queen, who is the Head of the Anglican Church can formally invite the Pope. There might be a problem with the protocol there. Maybe the PM can invite him? I am not sure how such a visit can be arranged.

I'm obviously oversimplifying here, but it should be as simple as the sovereign of one country (Elizabeth of the UK) invites the sovereign of another country (Benedict of the Vatican). It doesn't need to take the form of the head of one Church inviting the head of another Church. Papal visits don't work that way for most countries (since their head of State typically doesn't have a religious position), so why should Britain be any different?

And Churches are quite ecumenical these days!

If it's a state visit, the Prime Minister cannot be sending out invitations anyway!


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

I could not follow any of the days events in Lourdes as there was Monza. I also watched a recording of the last night of the Proms at the Royal Albert Hall.

I am taking this comment from BBC News online:

On Saturday, he also celebrated an outdoor Mass in the capital, Paris.

More than 200,000 pilgrims made the trip to Lourdes for Benedict's first papal Mass at the shrine.
....
The BBC's Emma Jane Kirby at Lourdes says Benedict looked elated and moved by the rapturous welcome he received from the crowds - some of the faithful had queued through the night to make ensure their place.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7614922.stm

The Pope has total command of the French language. He speaks it perfectly well without hardly any accent.

Tomorrow is the last day of the Pope's visit to France. There will be a morning mass for the sick and handicapped people.

Pope Benedict will fly back to Rome from the airport at Tarbes. The official departure ceremony is scheduled at 12.30 AM. It will be interesting to see who is the carrier airline.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

Any Link that has more pictures of the Pope in Lourdes........I think some of my folks at home would be pleased to view them.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

More huge crowds in Lourdes this morning.

The Pope celebrated a mass for all those who are disabled and ill to whom he gave special blessings, a number of them in serious condition were brought up to the altar to see the Pope and get the blessing in person. Lots of people on wheelchairs out there, by the hundreds so many alleys of wheelchairs... They got priority spots on the event site outdoors where they can have the best viewing. This is their day to see the Pope.

No rain in Lourdes today. Yesterday was raining all day, lots of umbrellas but the weather condition does not seem to discourage the pilgrims that came ffrom the world over. All languages are used in the ceremony including the local language of the Pyrenees, something that sounds close to the Basque language. The main choir is huge. The organist is doing some good work filling in between the spoken and silent times.

This is a much less formal event than those that took place in Paris. Sleeping bags and backpacks, families with little children. Europeans, Chinese, Filipino, Africans, Indians, quite an internatioonal crowd in Lourdes today.

The program seems to be running late due to the importance of the ceremony and the number of people. I think the airport ceremony and Pope flight will be a lot later than planned. He still has to end the mass and get prepared to leave. It looks like they will most probably be two hours off schedule.

From the latest information it looks like the official airport ceremony with the French Prime Minister will be delayed only one hour, 12.30 local time (CET).

It will be broadcast live on this link
http://www.tv-direct.fr/live_ktotv.php

[Edited 2008-09-15 02:11:50]


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2175 times:

The Pope was taken in a closed car from his temporary residence to the Lourdes stadium to board a large army helicopter (Armee de l'Air is written in big letters on the helicopter a Vatican and French flag on each side of the cockpit windows) that took him to the Tarbes airport. There was another accompanying helicopter doing a fly-along.

Air France carried him from Orly airport to Tarbes on a brand new Airbus from Air France. This same new Airbus will be used to fly the Pope to Rome. The onboard crews, cockpit and cabin are all volunteering for these flights.

Before the Pope gets on board the plane there is an official ceremony. The Prime Minister François Fillon is going to welcome the Pope and give a speech. The Pope's helicopter did a long taxi on the runway before the stand still to unload the famous passenger.

The official motorcade is making its way to the helicopter that stopped and came to a standstill. An official army man came to open the door and welcome the Pope on the ground. The Pope comes out and is welcomed by the Prime Minister. He is taken to a black official car, he gets into the car and is taken to the Honor Pavilion that is several hundred meters distant, where the official going away ceremony will take place.

The motorcade has several official cars following the Pope. They go into the official pavilion for a private meeting with the Prime Minister and the Pope. The media are put to a distance because of the private interview that takes place in a separate room. Government and church officials are in the reception room waiting for the speeches. Looks like there is about one hundred people in the meeting room including some high ranked military in their uniforms.

French, E.U. and Vatican flags are displayed in the room with two antique golden chairs for the Pope and the Prime Minister, a stand and a microphone.

The Prime Minister thanks the Pope for his 4 days visit to France, talks about the Pope's knowledge about the French culture and traditions, the diversity of people and religions that exist in the country. The Republic was invited to a collective meditation during the Pope's visit, with the freedom of religions. He thanks the Pope for the simplicity and the hope that he brought during this visit for the people of France.

The Pope thanks the Prime Minister and all the authorities of the country for making his trip to France a memorable one. The Mayors of Paris and Lourdes and the security forces in charge of the security during his travels. He is thanking all the people who participated to the events, all the young people, the world of culture and all the clergy. He thanks the city of Lourdes and talks about his stay in Lourdes and the reason for his visitwhere he says he has prayed for all the people in the world.

He wishes the People of France and the country peace and harmony. He expressed his heartfelt gratitude and says he wishes to come and visit France again soon.

The smilingful Pope is led to the authorities by the Prime Minister for some quick chats and introduction and personal thanks. All political trends and religions are together in the room, no difference is made.

He slowly walks out to the outside, followed by all that are in the official pavilion. Some media people are trying to catch him for some last few words before he goes on the plane. There was 1400 accredited journalists during the Pope's visit to France.

Military men in uniforms are standing on each side of the red carpet while the Pope goes to the aircraft in the company of the P.M. some reporters and the bishops who will fly with him to Rome.

The Pope climbs up the ladder to go on board the brand new Airbus A321 with the Skyteam and Air France KLM logos. Flags are on both sides of the cockpit windows, France and the Vatican.

Could not see the aircraft registration or call sign. A tug is rolling the aircraft, the cockpit windows are still open and the flags flying in the wind. Airport security are keeping people out of the way to the aircraft.

The flight will be from the Pyrenees to over the Alps and down to Rome. Engines are on. I can imagine the Pope following the safety demonstrations done by the stewards and stewardesses just like any other passenger on any flight.

All aircraft doors are closed, everybody is looking at the aircraft from the tarmac.

the captain waves goodbye and closes the cockpit windows. The sun is out, no rain on sight. There is a security car on the runway following the aircraft. Can see the flaps moving, the aircraft is ready for take off.

Goodbye Pope Benedict! Enjoy your flight on this brand new Airbus A321!!

The aircraft will land at Ciampino after about one and a half hours and the Pope will be taken to his summer residence at Castelgandolfo.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

I wonder if INDIA is on the list of the future visits by the pope.....There have been quite a few.
I clearly remember the last time the pope John paul II visited Bandra in Mumbai [INDIA] some years ago.

He had a very good visit.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2136 times:

I would say most certainly. I remember the Archbishop of Bombay (I forgot what his name is) was one of the favourites in the last election after Pope John Paul passed away. There was also the Archbishop of Nigeria and... this Pope (ex-) Mgr Ratzinger now Pope Benedict.

The Archbishop of Bombay is also a very well learned man and high intellectual. I am sure he has extended an invitation to this Pope to visit India right after he was chosen by the college of cardinals.

It will be interesting to see where he goes next! Will have to email and ask the Vatican press services for a detailed travel schedule.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2128 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 15):
I remember the Archbishop of Bombay

Simon Pimenta was it?
regds
MEL.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17657 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2125 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Let us wish the Pope to have good flights and a very happy journey!

I'm sorry....why do we care?



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2123 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 16):
I remember the Archbishop of Bombay

Simon Pimenta was it?

The name is Ivan Dias. He now holds a very important position in Rome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Dias

On 20 May 2006 he was appointed the Prefect of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples by Pope Benedict. As prefect, he is ex officio the Grand Chancellor of the Pontifical Urbaniana University.

Cardinal Dias in addition to his duties as Prefect is a member of various offices of the Curia. In May 2008 Pope Benedict named Cardinal Dias as a member of the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2121 times:

Pope Benedict fies back to Rome on board the Air France Airbus A321

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/De...c82818253%2c82818250|0&id=82820425

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/De...c82818253%2c82818250|0&id=82820711

Arrival at Ciampino - Smiling Pope getting off the plane

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/De...c82818253%2c82818250|0&id=82820443

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/De...c82818253%2c82818250|0&id=82820456

Over 1000 photos of the visit to Lourdes

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Se...ditorial&phrase=benedict%20lourdes



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2094 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 18):
The name is Ivan Dias. He now holds a very important position in Rome.

Thats Right....Simon Pimenta was replaced By Ivan Dias......Who later moved to Rome.

Thanks for the links.
regds
MEL.



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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2092 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
I'm sorry....why do we care?

Why do we care about anything?

MadameConcorde, thanx for link to pics. I enjoyed browsing throught them. This Pope is great but he lacks something of the last one.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17657 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2082 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 21):
Why do we care about anything?

What has this pope done for anyone lately?



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2071 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 22):
What has this pope done for anyone lately?

Great world leaders such as Vladimir Putin and the King of Saudi Arabia have gone to him for advice lately. Not counting so many others such as Nicolas Sarkozy, GW Bush and Nelson Mandela, to cite just a few. Isn't this a sufficiant proof of the Pope's wisdom?

This Pope does lack the charisma of the previous Pope. Different styles I guess. Probably because is predecessor was elected Pope at a much younger age. If my memory serves me right he was the Pope for 27 years.

Pope John Paul was a sportsman, a skier and a swimmer, a University Professor in Poland, an actor and playwright and a soldier during WWII, a priest, a bishop, a cardinal and a Pope.

Pope Benedict is a pianist and musicologist, a philosopher and theologian and an animal lover. He had to edict a new law so he could take his two cats with him in the Papal apartments at the Vatican and also his grand piano which I heard is a full size concert Steinway.



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2068 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 23):
Great world leaders such as Vladimir Putin and the King of Saudi Arabia have gone to him for advice lately

Great? Putin is Great? Jeeze...



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
25 MadameConcorde : English is not my native language. Please make a note of it. I should have said -important- rather than -great.
26 Cadet57 : That would make more sense. I cant think of any politician Id describe as great
27 MadameConcorde : How well can you write in a language that is not your own I wonder?
28 Cadet57 : Good god. I was agreeing with you. Get a grip. I WAS being civil, but if you want to go that route. Then I have nothing more to say to you.
29 HAWK21M : Undoubtly to me .....John paul II was a very important person in the position of the church,possibly his long tenure contributed to that. regds MEL
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