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Will The New Chevy Volt Be General Motor's Savior?  
User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Posted (6 years 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

Here are some of the engineering details for the 2011 Chevrolet Volt that was unveiled to the public today in celebration of General Motor's 100th birthday.

2011 Chevy Volt sedan


The car will travel 40 miles on electric power alone, as the Volt carries a battery pack made up of 220 lithium-ion cells. The pack generates 16 kilowatt hours of electricity. It can be recharged in about three hours when plugged into a 240-volt line, or about eight hours with a 120-volt line. The four-passenger Volt has a top speed of 100 mph. Its electric motor cranks out 273 lb-ft of torque and the equivalent of 150 hp.

2011 Chevy Volt sedan


The interior includes a driver-configurable liquid-crystal instrument display, seven-inch touch-screen information display, touch-screen-style climate and infotainment controls, an optional navigation system with onboard hard drive, and Bluetooth connection technology.

2011 Chevy Volt interior


The chassis includes an independent MacPherson strut suspension in front and a compound crank twist axle in the rear, four-wheel disc brakes with full regenerative capability, and electric power steering. Wheelbase is 105.7 inches; overall length, 177.0 inches (about the size of the Chevy Cobalt sedan); width, 70.8 inches; height, 56.3 inches; trunk space is 10.6 cubic feet.

GM says its plans to build the Volt in its Hamtramck assembly plant in suburban Detroit, but it is still negotiating with governments for incentives to convert the plant. GM says it will begin Volt production in late 2010.

Source: http://www.motortrend.com/features/a...9_chevrolet_volt_reveal/index.html

But is the Volt really enough to save GM? Here's my thoughts - it's a boring looking sedan in comparsion to the concept Volt's unique styling. And there is no word yet on how much the Volt will weigh, which has a huge impact the vehicle's real-world range. The average American commutes 32 miles each day to and from work - currently, the Volt has a range of 40 miles. Plan side-trips carefully! And it's expected to cost approximately $40,000 USD - that's a lot of money for a small Chevy hatchback. So what do you think, fellow electro-motorheads?

[Edited 2008-09-16 17:44:53]

[Edited 2008-09-16 17:50:22]


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

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User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

I think what GM/Chevy/et al needs to do is re-brand. It's getting to the point when you see American symbols, you automatically think over-priced low quality, or redneck car. Not that they are, but when I first looked at the picture of that car, I though it was decent looking, then I saw the Chevy symbol, and for some reason, I thought..."oh" ...end of story.

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User currently offlineHapppyLandings From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2863 times:

if It can do 100+ miles on a single charge then it will be a success. What about going to the cottage?

The GM EV-1 had a range of almost 90 miles back in the VERY early 90's.... No improvement in almost 20 years is PATHETIC!


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2860 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
The interior includes a driver-configurable liquid-crystal instrument display, seven-inch touch-screen information display, touch-screen-style climate and infotainment controls, an optional navigation system with onboard hard drive, and Bluetooth connection technology.

One would think that you'd want as few gadgets as possible to conserve energy in an electric car .....  Silly



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User currently offlineHapppyLandings From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

Oh, and 2011 for the release of a car that has worse specs then what was released 20 years before by the same company? I am baffled, It seems like GM does not want it to succeed... Oil company lobby?

User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2853 times:



Quoting Ual747 (Reply 2):
It's getting to the point when you see American symbols, you automatically think over-priced low quality, or redneck car.

Not really. American cars are quite popular here. Any idea if/when this car will be exported to other markets?

IMO $40,000 is a bit too much for a small hatch. It looks better than the current hybrids/electric cars we have here, but if it costs US$40,000 then by the time we get it it'll be around $70-75k..which is a bit too much. The Prius and Civic Hybrid sell for around AU$38,000. GM better think of ways to reduce that price tag if they want it to be a success.



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

Blah.   

Electric cars didn't work out then (EV-1), don't see why now it would be any different.

I'll give it one thing, just for looks I'd take the volt over a Prius any day   

Anybody notice how diesel is quietly rising in popularity in the states these days? America is FINALLY realizing the wonders of diesel in vehicles other than needledick-compensating trucks and SUVs.

Which is something the Europeans have realized 40+ years ago.  

[Edited 2008-09-16 18:32:06]

User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

I guess I have some deeper questions about the Chevy Volt and electric power source pollution. Electricity in the U.S. is predominately produced by coal fired power plants. Coal is a very dirty fuel and harmful to the environment, even though there's plenty of it in America. The forth-coming issue here is efficient electricity production and distribution. If we all want to be able to plug in our Chevy Volts, we need to always have the reliable electrical energy available. Nuclear power might be the best and most reliable "clean" electricity source going forward, along with looking at ways to leapfrog the necessary technology for clean-burn coal power plants.


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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6593 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2801 times:
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Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
But is the Volt really enough to save GM? Here's my thoughts

No. For the same reason the iphone (as it stands now) - although widlely successful - will never make Apple the #1 cell phone manufacturer.

1 single product does not make a company successful. You can also ask Motorola and ask them about the Razr.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2791 times:



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):
Oh, and 2011 for the release of a car that has worse specs then what was released 20 years before by the same company?

That car was a tiny car, cost a ton of money, developed with a ton-and-a-half of money which was never recovered. . . the problem is the technology isn't economical yet.



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User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

It's rather pricey so I don't know if it is above the price point for most Hybrid or Alternative Vehicle Fans.

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 9):
Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
But is the Volt really enough to save GM? Here's my thoughts

No. For the same reason the iphone (as it stands now) - although widlely successful - will never make Apple the #1 cell phone manufacturer.

1 single product does not make a company successful. You can also ask Motorola and ask them about the Razr.

Exactly! GM has some good cars out there but lacks a strong portfolio of vehicles. The CTS and Malibu are good cars, but they just don't have enough mainstream stuff yet..


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2777 times:



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 10):
Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):
Oh, and 2011 for the release of a car that has worse specs then what was released 20 years before by the same company?

That car was a tiny car, cost a ton of money, developed with a ton-and-a-half of money which was never recovered. . . the problem is the technology isn't economical yet.

Sorry, but that wasn't my post ....  Wink



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2771 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 9):
1 single product does not make a company successful. You can also ask Motorola and ask them about the Razr.

The bulk of Motorolas business isnt mobile phones. Infact if Motorola would sell Mobile Phone division it would still be a sizeable company. What would GM do if they stopped selling cars? Nothing.


User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2766 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
The car will travel 40 miles on electric power alone,

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 
Get serious! Come back when the range is about six times that figure and we'll talk.

Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
the Volt carries a battery pack made up of 220 lithium-ion cells.

What is the life expectancy on this battery pack in charge cycles, and how much will a replacement battery pack cost?

Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
It can be recharged in about three hours when plugged into a 240-volt line, or about eight hours with a 120-volt line.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 
Again, get serious. Cut those charge times down to about 1/8 what they currently are and we'll talk. In the meantime, cover the roof with solar cells so it can at least get a trickle charge on sunny days.

Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
The four-passenger Volt has a top speed of 100 mph.

What is the Volt's battery range at that speed? What is the Volt's battery range at 60% of that speed?

Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
The chassis includes an independent MacPherson strut suspension in front and a compound crank twist axle in the rear

The exact same as the Cobalt and the 1982 Cavalier from which the Cobalt eventually sprang. Also the same (design-wise) as the 1975 Volkswagen Golf/Rabbit. Yawn.

Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
it's expected to cost approximately $40,000 USD

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 
Hmmmm... BMW 3-series, or lame electric Chevrolet with a 40 mile range- which would you rather drive every day?

Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
So what do you think, fellow electro-motorheads?

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 
Best joke I've heard all day. Big grin



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User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2760 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 7):
Anybody notice how diesel is quietly rising in popularity in the states these days? America is FINALLY realizing the wonders of diesel in vehicles other than needledick-compensating trucks and SUVs.

Problem is, the US can't drive them..

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2749 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
But is the Volt really enough to save GM?

At the project cost of $40,000..? seriously doubt it..and just wait till it comes time to replace the battery...

Quoting TSS (Reply 14):
how much will a replacement battery pack cost?

$6,000-$9,000



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User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1961 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

If this thing can really only go 40 miles on a charge and costs 40k, I reckon it will be a total bust. I wouldn't have let this thing get through an early phase design review. I hope to be wrong.

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2730 times:



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 13):
What would GM do if they stopped selling cars? Nothing.

Except for that GMAC division which does billions of dollars in finance and insurance services  Wink


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

Can assume that 40 mile range is on a 70 degree day.

Batteries loose efficency in colder weather and I don't think it is going to get near to 40 miles in Duluth or Anchorage in January.

There are simply too many drawbacks to an electric vehicle for most people to use it as a primary vehicle. In addition to the temperture related quirks of batteries, lack of range, long recharge time, costs, and heavy metal pollution to make it come in common usage.



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User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1961 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2721 times:



Quoting MattRB (Reply 15):
Problem is, the US can't drive them..

I really hope we overcome our issues with diesel in this country. It's a nice option in Europe.


User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2704 times:



Quoting L-188 (Reply 19):
Can assume that 40 mile range is on a 70 degree day.

Batteries loose efficency in colder weather and I don't think it is going to get near to 40 miles in Duluth or Anchorage in January.

There are simply too many drawbacks to an electric vehicle for most people to use it as a primary vehicle. In addition to the temperture related quirks of batteries, lack of range, long recharge time, costs, and heavy metal pollution to make it come in common usage.

Lithium ion batteries don't have that problem with the cold.

Everybody here is forgetting that it also has a gas generator. You will not be stranded after 40 miles. GM learned from that mistake with the EV. It will have a range as long as most other cars and all you need to go farther is a fuel stop.
I listened to a lengthy interview with the head designer of interior and he also said that GM has not determined a price yet and $40k was high. We'll see.


User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2694 times:



Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 20):
I really hope we overcome our issues with diesel in this country. It's a nice option in Europe.

I hope so too - and Volkswagen is offering a reasonably priced "clean" diesel engine in the 2009 Jetta sedan and station wagon in all 50 states.



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User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2688 times:



Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 20):
I really hope we overcome our issues with diesel in this country. It's a nice option in Europe.

In most countries (aka where the fiscal system does not unfairly advantage diesel over petrol), diesel is more expensive than petrol. That is the case here in Australia, but also in the UK. And probably in Germany and the Netherlands.

You would need big time fuel economy to overcome the double whammy of 1) a higher price tag for the car and 2) a higher price tag for fuel.

You may also want to have a look at NOx and particulates emissions of these things - not pretty at all.

For what it is worth, the trend of "all diesel" has finally stopped in France, and stabilised (granted, at nearly 65% of total sales, yuk).

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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12561 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2654 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
But is the Volt really enough to save GM? Here's my thoughts - it's a boring looking sedan in comparsion to the concept Volt's unique styling. And there is no word yet on how much the Volt will weigh, which has a huge impact the vehicle's real-world range. The average American commutes 32 miles each day to and from work - currently, the Volt has a range of 40 miles.

Yes, 40 mi uncharged range is wildly dissappointing. My commute is more like 32 miles each way, plus any errands I want to run, so I'd think a bare minimum of 80 miles is needed for this to make any sense for me, unless my place of employ decides to put plugs out in the parking lots.

Quoting HapppyLandings (Reply 3):
The GM EV-1 had a range of almost 90 miles back in the VERY early 90's.... No improvement in almost 20 years is PATHETIC!

What I've read is they are using a lot more advanced battery technology (Li instead of NiMH or lead acid) but the battery is about 1/4th the size of the one in the EV, thus the poor range.

Smaller battery means cheaper battery and lighter car but poor uncharged range.

But it does have the on-board gasoline engine to recharge the batteries.

But maybe it needs the smaller battery to make room for the gas engine?

I thought at one point the Volt was going to be all-electric, no?

I have seem clips of EVs stuck on the side of the highway due to running out of charge, and I presume GM doesn't want a repeat of that, thus the gas engine.

Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 17):
If this thing can really only go 40 miles on a charge and costs 40k, I reckon it will be a total bust.

What I've read based on typical fuel rates it'll cost $0.02/mile when running from charge, whereas a car with 30 mpg and $4/gal gas costs $0.13/mile. Drive the car 100k miles, then you pay $2k for fuel instead of $13k. Battery is supposed to last 10 years and car is presumably mechanically simpler, so one can hope its longevity and maintenance is good for more than 100k miles.

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 23):
In most countries (aka where the fiscal system does not unfairly advantage diesel over petrol), diesel is more expensive than petrol.

Seems diesel used to be cheaper here in the US, but over the last 2 years or so that has changed. Not sure why, though.



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25 WunalaYann : Demand for diesel has sky-rocketed due to high demand from emerging countries, and the general boom in transportation needs (trucks, trains and ships
26 LOT767-300ER : Wow I didnt know that GM owns the majority of GMAC and has control over it. What was that?Cereberus bought a majority stake and then resold the liqui
27 ThePRGuy : To be honest it was a bit questionable when GM discontinued that - whether it was oil influence is one of many questions. This new Volt thing looks l
28 Andz : So no use in the States. Agreed, why do they feel the need to make hybrids look like deformed eggs? I am currently in my first diesel and will never
29 Revelation : Playing devil's advocate here: Claim is 40 miles / day will meet the needs of 75% of current American drivers, and after 40 miles the gasoline engine
30 Andz : What is the standard? From the BMW South Africa website: 320d Max.output (kW/rpm) 130/4000 Max.torque (Nm/rpm) 350/1750-3000 Top speed (km/h) 230 [22
31 Post contains links Revelation : http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/ld.php Very confusing. US is giving CO in g/mi, BMW is giving CO2 in g/km. Correct me if I'm wrong, but carbon
32 Mt99 : So if you "charge" it every night.. how much does your electricity bill increase per month?
33 TSS : The EV-1 was GM's attempt to gain real-world experience with electric vehicles, a project similar in mission to Chrysler's loaning out of a mini-flee
34 Post contains links AirportSeven : Uh, no. GM Sells Part of GMAC Division GMAC Financial Services Closes Doors Cerberus has 52% and GM 49% of whatever is left from all of that.
35 Mham001 : Still not getting the concept. Try 300 miles with the gas battery charger running. Wish they would say how much that costs to run tho. Every house bu
36 Flighty : Yes, the Chevy Volt will be big because GM has been very lazy these last 10 years. They were able to match Japanese technology, but not exceed it. Mea
37 LOT767-300ER : Daily charge is supposed to cost 80c. The average mile cost is 2c whereas a normal car today is 12c.
38 Revelation : Indeed. And what I'm reading, they are designing for the long term. The Volt should not just be a one-trick pony, it should be the lead implemenation
39 Sv7887 : Good thing they did that...GMAC is reporting some hefty losses now. Between their GMAC stake and Chrysler, Cereberus must be regretting the day it in
40 Post contains images Mt99 : Nor it should be. Us engineers love over-engineering stuff. Things would never get done. We need to be kept in line
41 PlaneWasted : The Chevy Volt will not be a savior by itself. But together with other models it might help GM get an image of being innovative and technically compet
42 Lincoln : I don't know... my daily commute is around 15 miles one way depending on the route I take (most direct is about 11 miles), so between 22 and 35 miles
43 LOT767-300ER : I doubt Cerberus is regretting GMAC to the scale you pose. They bought 51% for USD7.4bn, then turned around and sold something to the tune of USD6.4b
44 Post contains links StasisLAX : Since Washington has been in such a giving mood lately, what the heck - how about a $5000 government bail-out - I meant "tax credit" - when consumers
45 Post contains links WunalaYann : Guys. I think we need to check some facts, here. It is a hybrid vehicle, not an electric one. It also runs on E85 after the first 60 km have exhausted
46 Revelation : GM is spinning this as an "electric vehicle with extended range (EREV)" instead of a hybrid. In the hybrid, both the gas engine and electric motors c
47 WunalaYann : Granted. But I thought the thread was going off track and people were starting to think it was an electric-only car, which it is obviously not.
48 Post contains links Revelation : Agree 100%. I worked for a company driven by engineering. It was a really fun place to work as an engineer, but the company ended up building product
49 Post contains links and images Alberchico : Now why the heck do I want that car when I could get a electric car for only 20,000 that runs for also 110 miles on a single charge ??? http://www.lat
50 LOT767-300ER : Oh dear god, $40k and youd buy a piece of trash such as the Z4? Because thats not a car. Thats a POS. If you read the article you posted youd also kn
51 N1120A : 40 miles is the range on the plug charge. It is much more with the gas engine. It can be easily charged here. Exactly. I am not seeing how people mis
52 Andz : I am aware of that, I was referring more to the inconvenience of such a long recharge time
53 T prop : 3 hours is a long time for a complete recharge?
54 Andz : You have 220 in the US? News to me.
55 Post contains links ZANL188 : Nope. GM sold the locomotive business 3 years ago... http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQQ/is_2_45/ai_n10299135
56 Revelation : Yep. Basically 220V is brought into most homes via 3 wires. 220V is present across the two "hot" wires, 110V is present across ground and either hot
57 Mham001 : And more importantly, the existing 220 circuits are a minimum of 30 amps. There could be problems in some houses that don't have a large enough servi
58 N1120A : Not to mention airplanes. Have you seen the tax break SUV buyers get? Like said, we have it where needed.
59 HapppyLandings : B y god man, we need TID BITS, not whole articles..... Whats a matta fo you?
60 Ken777 : Based on the initial information I wouldn't invest in GM. First, $40,000 is insane for a car that will compete with a $15,000 econo car. That extra $2
61 T prop : Uh, yeah... I have 120 and 220. Stoves and clothes dryers are 220, my garage is wired for 220.
62 Mham001 : For the umpteenth time, that is a rumored price. GM has said they haven't decided on a price and I heard one of their designers flat out say that was
63 Andz : Okay well now I learned something. I just wonder why not use 220V for everything like most other countries do.
64 Ken777 : The final price will probably be lower, but the car will still be compared financially to the $15,000 econo box that it will compete with, regardless
65 StasisLAX : Excellent point! Even if the Chevy Volt owner receives a $5000 USD federal tax rebate for purchasing the car, that still leaves the price nearly $20K
66 Post contains links Revelation : Purely historical reasons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mains_e...y#History_of_voltage_and_frequency
67 Mham001 : Jeeeeesez, does anybody here read before they post?! That $40k is a RUMOR! RUMOR! RUMOR! There is NO set price, and GM has said that RUMOR is too hig
68 T prop : Again with the 40 mile range. This is a plug in hybrid, 40 miles on batteries alone then the IC engine kicks in. If you want 120 miles on batteries +
69 ThePRGuy : Yes....but isnt that defeating the point of a plug in electric car and leaning towards hybrid prius territory?
70 Mham001 : I give up. I will enjoy my afternoon by bashing my head against the block wall at the corner gas station.
71 Post contains links StasisLAX : GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz stated to the Seattle Times that the Volt will cost approximately $40K USD: "the first-generation Volt will retail for abou
72 Mham001 : Then I stand corrected. That is not the official line from GM though-yet. I will now return to my head-bashing.
73 Daleaholic : That is laughable.
74 Post contains links T prop : And Toyota's 2010 Prius plug in hybrid goes a whole 7 miles on electric power alone. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/business/14plug.html
75 Post contains links and images StasisLAX : Those of us that keep a pulse on General Motors knew it was going to happen. The Chevy Volt was just unveiled last week, but the car is already rumore
76 LOT767-300ER : Are they? And what year is this Ali....I just looked at my calendar. It says 2008, not 2005.
77 Andz : If it comes here it will probably be the Opel Blitz
78 Post contains links StasisLAX : The motor for the Volt will be built in a new $350 million USD plant in Flint, Michigan according to an article in AutoWeek. I think that it's awesome
79 Post contains links StasisLAX : There seems to be a lot of confusion about how the Chevy Volt goes about utilizing the 1.4 liter gasoline engine to recharge the lithium-ion battery p
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