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2009 VW Passat CC  
User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 hours ago) and read 12540 times:

I got to see this car in person today and.WOW! It's a Mercedes CLS clone but very well constructed. They have a few as company cars here but I really haven't gotten to poke around yet.



http://image.motortrend.com/f/9675148/112_0804_19z+2009_volkswagen_passat_CC+interior_view.jpg

Starts at approx $27K gets into the mid 30s..Given what goes for 30K these days it seems like a bargain..Rumored diesel coming to the US but no confirmation.

Anyone in Europe get to drive one yet?

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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 hours ago) and read 12508 times:



Quoting Sv7887 (Thread starter):
I got to see this car in person today and.WOW!

Really? where was this? AFAIK, it's not officially released yet. Then again, I saw Tiguans in early January this year driving in groups, obviously for testing. Wouldn't be surprised if they're doing the same with the Passat.

Damn good looking car too. Vdub has been making such great stuff lately.  yes 


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 hours ago) and read 12491 times:

Now that Volkswager is owned by the Porsche-family,it is "nearly" a Porsche .. 

But it's a great looking car and the quality of Volkswagen Passat are above any discussions,just great. As usual , the price in the US is substantially lower than in Europe-here the lowest price model start at 30.000 € ( nearly 43.000 $...! )

http://www.autohaus-stricker.de/pdf/Passat-CC-Preisliste.pdf

[Edited 2008-09-17 23:01:55]


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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 hours ago) and read 12467 times:

The 2.0TSI is slow and underpowered in my opinion. Perfect if youre a lifeless American driver, not so perfect if you actually like to drive a car and enjoy moving at speeds faster than a covered wagon on Oregon Trail.

The 3.6 V6 is a much better option. But still this car for example in Poland at equivalent prices will cost $55,000USD.

In the end I like the V6, however I dont like the price which is why I dont think it will takeoff and sell in the numbers VW wants to sell.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21461 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (6 years ago) and read 12434 times:



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 2):
But it's a great looking car and the quality of Volkswagen Passat are above any discussions,just great. As usual , the price in the US is substantially lower than in Europe-here the lowest price model start at 30.000 € ( nearly 43.000 $...! )

While it's of course not the entire story, at least part of it should be the 19% VAT in Germany, for instance...

As for the car, at least the front spoiler looks a bit over-designed to me. VW's great strength is usually clean, straight design without most of the ridiculous fashion excesses which are so popular elsewhere.


User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12409 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 1):

Really? where was this? AFAIK, it's not officially released yet.

I'm working at VW of America outside of DC so they have a few running around. The official opening of their HQ here is today, so they even have that $2 million Bugatti and every Audi (All S versions) and VW you can think of.

The CC is a cool looking car..Mid 30s isn't that bad considering a Lexus ES, Acura TL, and others go for the same money


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12408 times:

Is there an official US price-list posted somewhere for this Passat ?
The difference in the price for the basic model seems quite huge to me ..
30.300 € compared to 27.000 $ -that's more than 30% difference considering the change..



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User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2610 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12368 times:



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 3):
Perfect if youre a lifeless American driver, not so perfect if you actually like to drive a car and enjoy moving at speeds faster than a covered wagon on Oregon Trail.

Well, It's OK for an aging driver with European roots who's sick and tired of being hunted by the police like a vermin just for having some fun. Disgusting.


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5712 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12356 times:



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 3):
Perfect if youre a lifeless American driver, not so perfect if you actually like to drive a car and enjoy moving at speeds faster than a covered wagon on Oregon Trail.

Not being able to burn rubber on the stoplights... one's life seems to all of a sudden lose its purpose.  duck 


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12350 times:



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 7):
Well, It's OK for an aging driver with European roots who's sick and tired of being hunted by the police like a vermin just for having some fun. Disgusting.

But how dare you say anything bad about police in America and Canada? Whats that, did I just see you drive 70 in a 65 in the middle of the prairie? Sir those are unsafe speeds and youre putting everyone in danger.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 8):
Not being able to burn rubber on the stoplights... one's life seems to all of a sudden lose its purpose.

 eyepopping   talktothehand 

How dare you...

In all seriousness, I like the 3.6 V6 (plenty of power at 295hp). I wonder if it drives better than a similar 2009 Maxima with the 290hp motor.

One thing that id like to see go is that Adaptive Cruise Control. God damn those things are annoying as hell.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12347 times:



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 3):
The 2.0TSI is slow and underpowered in my opinion. Perfect if youre a lifeless American driver, not so perfect if you actually like to drive a car and enjoy moving at speeds faster than a covered wagon on Oregon Trail.

Wait, I thought it was Americans who drove universally overpowered cars?  Yeah sure

Really bringing out the troll this morning, LOT


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32781 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12224 times:

To note, it is just called the CC in the United States. VW dropped the Passat part, probably because of an "image" thing.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 6):
The difference in the price for the basic model seems quite huge to me ..
30.300 € compared to 27.000 $ -that's more than 30% difference considering the change..

Totally normal. European-brand cars in the United States are typically 30-40% cheaper than what the equivalent cost in the Euro-zone.

For what a European will spend on a basic BMW 320d, for example, an American can get a well-equipped BMW 335i.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12189 times:



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 9):
But how dare you say anything bad about police in America and Canada? Whats that, did I just see you drive 70 in a 65 in the middle of the prairie? Sir those are unsafe speeds and youre putting everyone in danger.

They are? We are? Why wasn't I told about this?  Silly

I love the "Slow Down" and "Speed Kills" campaigns here. Any slower then the posted speedlimits, we'd all still be with horse and buggies ..... Big grin

Back on topic though. I saw the CC on VW's Canadian website a few months ago and can't wait to see one in person. As nice is it may be though, you could still get a Mercedes C230 which has a bit more prestige value to it for the same price.



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9032 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12186 times:
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Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 12):
Back on topic though. I saw the CC on VW's Canadian website a few months ago and can't wait to see one in person. As nice is it may be though, you could still get a Mercedes C230 which has a bit more prestige value to it for the same price.

I've seen the CC as well and I like the design and it is a German car, so it must be good  duck 

I own a C350 and I really like the C-class. I like it more than the VW CC. VW build nice cars, but in my eyes they are nothing special. Just cars you own and use. (my opinion)
So my vote goes to Mercedes Benz and maybe the Audi A5 (S5) or the new A4. Very nice as well.

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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12178 times:



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 12):
Back on topic though. I saw the CC on VW's Canadian website a few months ago and can't wait to see one in person. As nice is it may be though, you could still get a Mercedes C230 which has a bit more prestige value to it for the same price.

Apples and oranges. The Passat is not in the same category as the C class. The Passat is more akin to, and competes with the CLS, pretty much directly, at least in terms of size and market. The C230 is much smaller and I bet the Vdub has just as much if not more features.


User currently offlineHapppyLandings From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12168 times:

Some underpowered cars are just damn great.

Keep in mind I am a guy who has owned 4 5.0L Mustangs...Now I own a Mini Cooper, and I am up North in the country for a few days... That car on country roads at 100km/h doing 65 degree turns with a down slope of 30 degrees is exctasy...

I have also owned a Porsche 911 and the handling does not even compare. Oh, and I get 700km out of a 50 litre tank Hwy..  Smile

But I do live downtown toronto, so a rarely get a chance to really enjoy the car, except when I am parralel parking!


BTW, I love the look of the new passat.... I just might be dropping by the dealership soon!  Smile


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12085 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 14):
Apples and oranges. The Passat is not in the same category as the C class. The Passat is more akin to, and competes with the CLS, pretty much directly, at least in terms of size and market. The C230 is much smaller and I bet the Vdub has just as much if not more features.

But the VW is still exactly that, a VW. This is just like those Hyundai threads we have had in the past. VWs are great cars, but most people who are looking at buying a $90000 CLS won't be looking at a VW that costs less then half the price of the Mercedes.

As luxurious as the CC may be, and even if one puts it into the same class as a CLS, prospective CLS buyers won't be stopping in at VW. However, prospective C class buyers may because the CC may offer more bang for their buck at a comparable price.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the CC. It looks to be a great car, and myself being on my third VW, I love VWs. However, I just can't compare it to a car that costs more then twice as much. Two completely different markets IMHO.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12078 times:



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 3):
The 2.0TSI is slow and underpowered in my opinion. Perfect if youre a lifeless American driver, not so perfect if you actually like to drive a car and enjoy moving at speeds faster than a covered wagon on Oregon Trail.

My wife has that car and the auto transmission sucks the life out of it. My 1.8T (manual) Passat is much zippier, or at least feels like it.



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12071 times:



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 16):
Two completely different markets IMHO.

Point taken.


User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12025 times:
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Quoting Sv7887 (Thread starter):
Starts at approx $27K gets into the mid 30s..Given what goes for 30K these days it seems like a bargain..Rumored diesel coming to the US but no confirmation.

I'm not a VW fan but I think this will be a great car. Although $30k can certainly buy a decent enough sedan, I think the CC gives an appealing blend of style and practicality for the price.

The interior looks simple and clean. Hopefully it holds up to the build standard of VW/Audi over the last 10 years. It's probably not Japanese reliable but looks great from the photos.



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