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F1 2008: Singapore Grand Prix!  
User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4692 times:

Hello All,

I thought we'd start this off a bit early seeing as there will be a lot of interest in this race.

Singapore will be a Brand New Circuit to the F1 Calendar, and will also be a really cool Street Circuit. But It will also be held...AT NIGHT!

Lewis Hamilton leads Felipe Massa by 1 pt (Pending Appeal on Monday), and Should make for an awesome last 4 races ( barring anymore stupid calls by the FIA)

Having walked on some of those streets in Singapore, I can tell you that Its a really awesome place, and just imagining F1 cars flying around those streets is something brilliant.


Because there really isn't realy footage of the track yet...

Here's a good Video about the Circuit.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4670 times:

I still feel that the Singapore Grand Prix is nothing but a commercial stunt by Bernie and Max, just because they want people in Europe to watch at 14:00 and not early in the morning. Formula 1 isn't a night show, and even Indycar restricts nightraces to circuits in the continental United States.

For me, it's always a bit of a tradition to get up early to watch the races in Japan and Australia (at least, when I was still in Germany), but neither Bernie or Max care about it, or else they wouldn't have threatened Melbourne with taking away their GP just because the circuit isn't built for a night race.


User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4663 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
For me, it's always a bit of a tradition to get up early to watch the races in Japan and Australia (at least, when I was still in Germany), but neither Bernie or Max care about it, or else they wouldn't have threatened Melbourne with taking away their GP just because the circuit isn't built for a night race.

I agree, I think it'd be just as cool as a Day race.

But keep in mind...for Us in the US or in the Americas, who do follow F1. All the races in Asia come in the Middle of the night. I woke up at 2:30 am to watch the races in Australia, Bahrain.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4654 times:

I think this is going to be a great race. The setting in downtown Singapore is quite extraordinary the night race will make it even more so. It is like Monaco (a small nation host) in a totally different style. I really look forward to it.


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User currently offlineAmigocharlie From Switzerland, joined Oct 2007, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4653 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
For me, it's always a bit of a tradition to get up early to watch the races in Japan and Australia

 thumbsup 
I always get up or don't even go to bed just to watch!
Oh well, still looking forward to a great race. Below you ca see the work that had to be done to complete the race track and pit lane. Pics taken from the Singapore Flyer around the end of February.


race track
http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w340/amigocharlie/sin/nzausfeb081096.jpg

http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w340/amigocharlie/sin/nzausfeb081105.jpg

and pit lane
http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w340/amigocharlie/sin/nzausfeb081097.jpg

http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w340/amigocharlie/sin/nzausfeb081117.jpg

http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w340/amigocharlie/sin/nzausfeb081118.jpg

Cheers
Bobby



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User currently offlineT1210s From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4653 times:

Cant wait should be a great race but how much of a night race will it be the track will surely have to be lit up to near daylight conditions


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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4646 times:



Quoting T1210s (Reply 5):
Cant wait should be a great race but how much of a night race will it be the track will surely have to be lit up to near daylight conditions

To the Drivers, it'll look like a Day time race i'm sure...Earlier this year Moto GP had a night race in Qatar, it went without a hitch, and looked pretty much like it would in the day time.


BUT...one thing that interests me....Flash Photography...I wonder what they'll do about that...could you imagine driving through a straight by thousands of fans' flashes going off?


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4643 times:

It´ll be a nice experiment, I think. So how is the weather like this time of the year?

User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4596 times:



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 2):
But keep in mind...for Us in the US or in the Americas, who do follow F1. All the races in Asia come in the Middle of the night. I woke up at 2:30 am to watch the races in Australia, Bahrain.

True, but to be honest I like it when I have these races before I go to sleep Big grin

And of course for me it has become on of my most respected traditions throughout the past 10 years to wake up at 08.45 with just enough time to make myself a coffee and watch the 09.00 races (14.00 European time) no matter how late I went to sleep the night before. As an example, last Saturday we had my best friend's bachelor party. Went to sleep at 06.30 and 2 hours later I was up  Wink

In fact, I have more trouble watching the Canadian or Brasilian GP because I usually have other things to do at 2pm on Sundays, but at 9am the rest of the country is asleep  Silly



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User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4593 times:

Looking forward to this race a lot, most motor sport night races are run on the stadium oval tracks in the US so will be interesting to see the Singapore downtown setting at night. The weather looks like it's going to be wet, the forecast for the next five days is heavy showers everyday. I guess the teams were expecting wet race though with Singapore being a tropical country that get's regular downpours of rain.


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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8465 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4590 times:

I'm looking forward to this race a lot. This time eight years ago I was in Singapore looking out my hotel window thinking that Singapore would be a great place to hold a grand prix. Granted I was looking out over Serangoon Road in Little India which is a world away from Marina Bay. Either way, I never thought I would see it happen.

Quoting Amigocharlie (Reply 4):

Looks like parts of the circuit are purpose built. Outside of the pitlane area, I thought the entire circuit was all streets around the area.


User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1901 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4580 times:

I think it's a great way to begin the last part of this championship. Even though I believe this is a crazy idea, it's going to be a pretty good spectacle... new race track with an extreme new condition... should be promising!

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
For me, it's always a bit of a tradition to get up early to watch the races in Japan and Australia (at least, when I was still in Germany),

Tell me about it! Eastern time... waking up at 3-4am to watch the Malaysian GP!

At what time is this one going to be around here?

BTW, I hope Felipe does a good job. I find Hamilton quite arrogant sometimes, even though he's an amazing pilot...



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10181 posts, RR: 97
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4554 times:
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Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):
Granted I was looking out over Serangoon Road in Little India which is a world away from Marina Bay.

Can you imagine an F1 GP in there?
Pit stop outside Mustapha's anyone  Smile

Rgds


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3082 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4550 times:

I think it will be a very cool race, especially with the reflective tyre markings.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/9/8399.html

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17126 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4522 times:

Well I do look forward for this GP. But I dont know if I will wake up 5 in the morning to see it.

So will Hamilton win this one?? Isnt he "famous" for winning GPs he has never been driving in before??



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4517 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 14):
Well I do look forward for this GP. But I dont know if I will wake up 5 in the morning to see it.

There's always the possibility of not having to wake up, and go to sleep after the race, but you might need some help that a few beers can offer Big grin

btw, if it's at 5 in Sweden, it's at midnight in Argentina, so its at 10pm in Venezuela? Wait, is anyone changing their clocks this weekend ?



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17126 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4516 times:



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 15):
btw, if it's at 5 in Sweden,

Err, I am not in Sweden anymore. I am in L.A, therefore I have to wake up at 5am.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 15):
but you might need some help that a few beers can offer

He, he. Yeah right, and I am only 16.



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4487 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 16):
Err, I am not in Sweden anymore. I am in L.A, therefore I have to wake up at 5am.

hmmm ... that makes things a bit more interesting ... if I'm not mistaken then, we are +4hs from LA in Argentina, so the race will be a 9am, so it's at 2pm in (most of) Europe?

Quoting B747forever (Reply 16):
He, he. Yeah right, and I am only 16.


better, the hang over is much more "user friendly" at your age Big grin



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4399 times:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70792

McLaren Lose appeal.
The FIA basically decided that the penalty wasn't admisable in the first place.

Funny how things work out eh?...the stewards, could have given Hamilton a fine or a 10 place grid penalty in SPA, but decided to issue a penalty they knew was probably unappealable. The whole thing still seems fishy to me.

But...On to Singapore then.


User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4061 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4389 times:



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 18):
Funny how things work out eh?...the stewards, could have given Hamilton a fine or a 10 place grid penalty in SPA, but decided to issue a penalty they knew was probably unappealable

I think its complete and utter bollocks - the FIA turned down the appeal on the basis that "Article 152 of the International Sporting Code states that drive-through penalties are 'not susceptible to appeal'", which is utter crap considering that this penalty was issued after the end of the race, indeed after the podium celebrations. There should be no way to issue 'drive through penalties' after the end of the race.


User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4381 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7631230.stm

A good synopsis of the events of the SPA penalty and appeal.
Its the BBC...I think it is a fair and good article, although it is British.

I still want to know why the cross examination in the court was from Ferrari.


User currently offlineDavehammer From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4379 times:



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 20):
I still want to know why the cross examination in the court was from Ferrari.

Indeed. This has absolutely nothing to do with them. The appeal hearing was between McLaren/Hamilton and the FIA. Still, same old, same old.


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

It was unlikely for the appeal to work ... I would have prefered it did.


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4356 times:



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 22):
It was unlikely for the appeal to work ... I would have prefered it did.

I had no expectations that the FIA would remove the stewards sanction on Hammy. They are terribly unfair to him. This whole thing is scandalous but that's how it is.  Angry

I hope he will have a big win in Singapore but who knows... thet might pull another trick on him again if he wins the race on Sunday.  Angry



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User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4353 times:

Quoting Davehammer (Reply 21):
Indeed. This has absolutely nothing to do with them. The appeal hearing was between McLaren/Hamilton and the FIA. Still, same old, same old.

But the penalty was given for a move that Lewis did on Kimi Raikkonen, and last time I checked Kimi currently drives for Ferrari. So yes, it has got something to do with Ferrari.

I can see why all the Hamilton fans are angry with the FIA's decision, but just moaning about it isn't going to overturn the decision and there are better things to worry about. So how about letting it drop and focus on the rest of the season?

[Edited 2008-09-23 09:47:38]

25 Moo : The penalty was given by the FIA, Ferrari had nothing to do with it, and should have had no representation at all at the hearing.
26 Davehammer : The penalty was given by the race stewards. The penalty is upheld by the governing body the FIA. They gave the punishment to Hamilton and therefore M
27 BlueElephant : As Moo and Davehammer have already suggested, it should have been the Lawyers of the FIA cross-examining the McLaren team. If they wanted to get Ferr
28 MadameConcorde : The preferred treatment of some of the drivers is obvious. The F1 governing body is biased. It's just as simple as that. I hope Hamilton will win in
29 Moo : The thing that gets me about it, and the sole thing, is that the 'drive through penalty' was issued after the race. Not during the last few laps, but
30 Boeing74741R : Fair dos. I think the argument for Raikkonen not being present at the hearing was that he crashed out of the race not long after Hamilton committed t
31 Moo : Not against the right people, he cant...
32 LTU932 : The problem is that initially, the stewards told McLaren that the move was perfectly fine, only to later and suddenly reverse themselves and punish M
33 NA : So fouls done at the end of the race demanding a drive-through penalty by the rules should not be punished the right way? That would open the door fo
34 MadameConcorde : Me too. At least 5 times. I did not see anything worthy of such a heavy punishment. Only the stewards and the FIA governing body obviously did not se
35 Moo : Show me how many fouls actually get committed right at the end of a race, or even have the potential at the end of a race - usually the cars are well
36 BlueElephant : The same issue occured at Valencia with Massa...However he won, the race and the stewards only decided to hand him a fine. I am not quite sure but th
37 Bill142 : Ferrari are allways 'Represented' at the ICA. I wouldn't be surprised if they were represented during a WRC dispute. Has nothing to do with Ferrari.
38 NA : One good thing the decision has, and that might be a decisive factor behind it (and not Ferraris rumoured influence): The championship remains a thril
39 Sudden : You can flip and turn this until you drop, but it wont change the outcome no matter how much of a Hamilton/Mclaren fan you are. Right or wrong, we ca
40 BlueElephant : If thats the case, then why wasn't Schumacher penalized the number of times he should have. I want the competition to be a thriller, and it WAS until
41 Post contains links and images EZEIZA : wait, why 9 points? shouldn't it be 7 given the Monza result? or where am I confused? If Massa should have been penalized for that then Lewis's penal
42 NA : He was penalized several times, and severely too, can´t think of fouls the greatest racing champion of all time was not punished for. But I can reme
43 Post contains links BlueElephant : Sorry you are correct. My Math was all messed up early this morning. I take Villeneuve's comments with a grain of salt, because he's a bitter old man
44 EZEIZA : My math is usually messed up, period. He is one of the best, but still far behind being a "great" driver, although he has the potential. IMO the aver
45 Legoguy : I'm amazed that following the outcome of the trial, McLaren may have to dish out up to $1m in court costs to the FIA as well as....Ferrari! Simply stu
46 EZEIZA : I might be way off here since I lack of knowledge on this, but when a team appeals, aren't they aware that if they lose they are held accountable for
47 NA : There is an Interview with Eddie Jordan today were he says the conspiracy theory (mainly existing in English-speaking countries and stirred up by the
48 StealthZ : I can't find anything that justifies Ferrari claiming expenses for this ICA appearance, ICA rule 24 does not seem to allow for the appellant to pay c
49 BlueElephant : Hahaha...good one...btw....McLaren should lose all the time, so that the "other" should win. Now Can I have my 599GTB in Blue please...or SILVER if P
50 Post contains links BlueElephant : Practice 1 1. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:45.518 20 2. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:45.598 + 0.080 23 3. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:45.961 + 0.443 24 4. Koval
51 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Singapore Grand Prix http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7637729.stm Photos http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/
52 Post contains links BlueElephant : Something I find really interesting. www.f1.com has a Big section for Ferrari in the top right hand corner... Doesn't help their position on neutralit
53 Post contains links Gman94 : Was watching the 2nd practice sessions live on the ITV website this afternoon. Awesome spectacle, highlights of the seesions are on the ITV website. h
54 B747forever : That isnt new. Have been there for a while. " target=_blank>http://www.itv-f1.com/VideoHighlight....aspx Cant see that video
55 Gman94 : Must be restricted to UK residents only.
56 Legoguy : I watched the first session and was amazed to watch Trulli backtrack to the pitlane after spinning through the last corner. Driving the wrong way on t
57 B747forever : Yeah, and that sucks. Wow, he did that. Amazing
58 Post contains links Bill142 : http://www.rojadirecta.com/canal/f1player.htm I saw him doing that during practice and just thought he was lining himself up to spin it around proper
59 EZEIZA : me neither ? First time I get to see the circuit during Q1 ... it reminds me of "old school" F1 with sparks coming out I like the circuit, however I
60 Post contains links B747forever : Qualifying results here: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2008/801/6567/ Well I am really glad for Massa. Wonder how many poles he has so far th
61 B747forever : It is a really big gap between Massa/Hamilton (around 0.6 sec). Does that indicate that Massa is not heavy on fuel, or is he just simply fast??
62 BlueElephant : It seemed that most of the practice times...were in the 1 minute 45s...throughout all the practice times...I've got this feeling that Massa's Light.
63 Post contains images BlueElephant : It doesn't come up all the time. There it is.
64 MadameConcorde : Absolutely!! So is the background!! This night racing is fanta-bulous!! Congratulations Singapore!! I knew they would come up with the best ever!! No
65 Codeshare : With all the light on the track there seems to be more clarity in the viewing. So that is a plus here. Bad luck Alonso, Kimi is still trying, but look
66 EZEIZA : As a Ferrari fan, I would rather not have the rain (obviously ), however, a night race, with this complciated track, and the fact that it is an unkno
67 MadameConcorde : Singapore, thunderstorms and rain go together very well.
68 Post contains links B747forever : F1 2009 calendar is up: http://www.formula1.com/races/calendar_preview.html
69 Bill142 : Might be location dependent as it is an advertisement for Shell who happen to sponsor Ferrari.
70 Charles79 : Damn that's a long train behind fuel-heavy Trulli!
71 Andz : That fuel rig incident with Massa was bizarre!
72 BlueElephant : Just watching the race.... If Massa and Ferrari do NOT get a (DRIVE THROUGH) penalty for that somehow.....I'm pretty sure I'm going to boycott F1 next
73 Charles79 : For me that's the biggest concern, the fact he was released onto traffic like that. Kubica and Rosberg should also receive a 10-sec penalty for pitti
74 Andz : Yeah he got it.
75 ThreeFourThree : Massa = Drive through. Im very happy Kubica and Rosberg = 10 sec penalty + drive through GO HAMILTON!!
76 BlueElephant : Crazy...Alonso might win this one.... I'm surprised Massa's car stayed idle for so long. It just REAFFIRMS though that MASSA should have received eith
77 Gman94 : We'll have to saviour this moment as it doesn't happen very often, a Ferrari car getting a penalty.
78 Springbok747 : Shit. What a lousy race. Dammit!
79 ThreeFourThree : I actually think quite different. Especially with Piquet crashing at that moment. It was just like it was fiction and it was trying to get more viewe
80 Charles79 : It's been quite entertaining IMO. Perhaps not like Spa in the rain but worlds better than Valencia. And this time we might even see a non-Mclaren/Fer
81 Andz : Massa was lucky not to be T boned by Trulli!
82 BlueElephant : Did you notice....that BOTH Ferrari Drivers have now, cause Sutil to crash? That was kinda unsafe on Massa's part...if that was anyone else...they pro
83 Gman94 : Anyone notice that Ferrari used the traditional man with a board to release Raikkonen during his second pit stop rather then the light system. Maybe t
84 BlueElephant : Won't go for the win for sure...But...get by Rosberg....very good chance. (although the Tires...not very good...)
85 Andz : GOODBYE KIMI!!!! What a day for Ferrari.
86 BlueElephant : Kimi Off....no points for the Scuderia today.
87 NA : Worst race of the year. Worst new track in decades. The chances of favorites spoiled by a driver who anyway does not deserve to be in F1 (Piquet), and
88 Gman94 : Yeah realised after I posted he was on the unfavoured tyres.
89 BlueElephant : No way he'll go for a pass now....Kimi's out... 2 laps to go...Alright kids...don't mess this up now....
90 ThreeFourThree : Go Alonso. I want to see the podium handshakes
91 BlueElephant : Congrats To Alonso...and ROSBERG!!!! Didn't think I'd say that this season. I'm sorry mate....you're just a Bitter Ferrari Fan...sorry to say...its no
92 Gman94 : You sure, seen more overtaking today then I have in 20 years watching Monaco Grand Prix's. If Singapore can afford it so what!
93 BlueElephant : I didn't say that mate...but yah...True...There was a good bit of passing...more than Monaco and Valencia for sure. It just seems that NA is a bitter
94 Gman94 : Strange funny things happening with the quote function.
95 GrahamHill : Congratulations to Alonso! It's good to see a Renault winning again!! Also congratulations to Rosberg and Williams. After their disappointing season,
96 Post contains links ScrubbsYWG : Schumi cuts a chicane, doesn't give the place back, and gets no penalty. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5UnPeyzcHM Im am a huge ferrari fan and am v
97 GrahamHill : Ditto
98 Alessandro : Exciting race and track, surprising poor organization, long time to get crashed cars off the track. lot of exciting overtaking and a track that was ch
99 Moo : I take it Masa isnt being investigated for that crash he caused?
100 Egmcman : Great race nice to see Fernando win race as well as well as Nico and Lewis on the podium. Hopefully Lewis has a very good chance of winning the driver
101 BlueElephant : Of course not....I thought we declared Rule 68 part B 7. No Red Car will be punished as much as they should be... Or something like that...At least M
102 Moo : Its proven to be unreliable, hasn't it...
103 ScrubbsYWG : Time and time again for the last few decades, the lollipop man has been proven to be just as much a 'failure' as ferrari's light system. We even had
104 Alessandro : Scrubbs, has a driver ever driven away with a tankrig before with the lollypop man being used? I can´t recall that has happened before, sure accident
105 Moo : How many times has the lollipop man failed in such drastic manner for a team twice in a season?
106 Gman94 : The problem with the light system is that now you have human error and technical error involved now as opposed to just human error with the lollipop s
107 BlueElephant : Well seeing as they've had nearly twice as many accidents/incidents in just this ONE YEAR alone...with the Light system... Think about it...I don't t
108 Alessandro : Gman, Ferrari used the lollypopman after the tankrig theft of Massa, says it all.
109 B747forever : And Goodbye WDC for him this season. Now he HAS to help Massa to win the WDC. He is 27pts behind with 3races to go. Way too much. However, I didnt wa
110 Post contains links BlueElephant : http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_4207248,00.html Interesting isn't it...
111 Gman94 : Hadn't thought of that but Alonso isn't driving a McLaren so he can get away with it . I'm still waiting for the FIA to find some way of blaming Hami
112 BlueElephant : As sad as this sounds...I sat for like an hour after the race...trying to search the news...to see how McLaren was going to be Punished...Both Ferrar
113 Baroque : I am curious about one thing. A. Having to pit because you are running out of fuel - penalty stop for 10 seconds before go. B. Leave the pit with a f
114 Legoguy : Whilst Alonso had a small bit of luck with the safety car and the Ferrari mess up (more on that later), Alonso drove the pants off the Renault today a
115 Andz : Unlike one Mr K. Raikkonen who also hit the wall?
116 Post contains links T1210s : France 2007 LAST YEAR http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2007/7/6385.html
117 Moo : A safety car is not an exceptional event within F1, there are defined parameters for its usage, and thus should be taken into consideration whenever
118 T1210s : Well said Redbull brought there cars in as soon as piquet crashed it was obvious the safety car was coming out if other teams choose not to respond t
119 MadameConcorde : I absolutely loved this race! Thank you Singapore!!! REVERSE KARMA for FERRARI....... (from bbcsports) Lap 17: The pit lane is open... Felipe Massa im
120 Astuteman : Me too. I thought I must have flicked to the highlights by mistake and missed it. Still. There's time yet - the race has only been finished for 5 hou
121 Post contains links BlueElephant : Just to add to the Controversy.... http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71002 Massa thinks his Penalty was unfair. http://www.autosport.com/new
122 Moo : Thats not what I read in that interview, he says he doesn't know why he got the penalty (out of which of the two incidents), not that it was unfair.
123 BlueElephant : Sorry Correct...My Apologies.
124 ScrubbsYWG : See the video posted above by T1210s, which shows it happened just last year. I'm sure if we go further back we can find other times it has happened
125 EZEIZA : Wow, I am late! two things 1) Mistakes like today's will make Massa lose any chance and I have a feeling that its pretty much over (I don't see Lewis
126 Baroque : Oh I understand the supposed difference, I just think the relative differences are rather stupid. Arguably it would be enough penalty just to be held
127 ScrubbsYWG : speed network made a good point in that the basis of the rule to close the pits was to prevent the rush of cars going into the pits when the SC is dep
128 Sudden : C. Albers at the french GP last year. That Kimi is no. 2 driver for Ferarri was decided already after Spa! You can be sure no one missed you! Why on
129 Moo : I disagree totally, Masa pulled out in front of him after skidding on that corner.
130 BlueElephant : Agree with Moo...Thats a hard left without much track width...and what Massa did was take out...all opportunity for Sutil to even make the left...Sut
131 Codeshare : Thank you (NOT) Nelson ! I'm happy for Alonso to win, he deserved it after the Saturday mishap and a whole season of struggling with the car. Lucky ro
132 BlueElephant : He stopped Pushing, because Kimi was out of the Race, so Ferrari wasn't going to pick up points anyway. He made a smart move to stop pushing really..
133 Astuteman : A lesson learned from last year? Rgds
134 BlueElephant : Whether he wins or losses this season, I must say that I feel that Lewis Hamilton has learned a lot this year...As has Felipe Massa in my opinion. La
135 B747forever : And everyone loves to hear your comment about that
136 MadameConcorde : Can somebody explain the pit stop/safety car regulation in detail? It is still not very clear to me. In the old days of F1 in the 60's they did not ha
137 Moo : When a safety car becomes part of the pack, the pit lane is closed for a duration - if you start to pit before this, you are fine, but if you pit whi
138 StealthZ : Madame, To expand a little on what Moo said. When the clerk of the course decides to deploy a safety car, SC signs and waved yellow flags are displaye
139 Bill142 : If you go back to calling it the Pace Car you can get rid of it then as it's no longer there for saftey reasons, but to dictate the pace Fuel stops a
140 Scbriml : Yes, the FIA seems to think that pit-lane injuries and fires are more exciting. I don't remember races being less exciting when cars carried fuel for
141 MadameConcorde : Thank you for your great answers!
142 Bill142 : Is it just my utter disgust for Ferrari or have they had the most refuelling incidents over the past few years? I know during the MS times he had a f
143 Sudden : Hm, In regards to what Stepney was involved in last year, I wonder if above is a good or bad thing. Aim for the sky! Sudden
144 Baroque : Apparently so. I seemed to hear that the powers that be were trying to work out a system to tag the cars more accurately so they did not need to wait
145 Dano1977 : Generally it was a good grand prix and i enjoyed every minute of it. Allthough at the end of the race i was waiting for the race stewards to come out
146 Post contains links MadameConcorde : I thought this sort of stuff happened only at the Monaco GP. Escorts cash in on Grand Prix traffic SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Big spenders in Singapore for
147 Post contains links Scbriml : It seems that Ferrari don't like Singapore! Signor Montezemolo is not a happy bunny. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7644042.st
148 Baroque : Law of averages maybe, then again, which average applies? Ferarri folk might want to be careful criticising Singapore. They might find they have offe
149 EZEIZA : Although a "circus" is an exageration, I agree that it is a wierd track. I like it, and I think some very nice races can come out in future GP's, how
150 LTU932 : Even with one or two passing spots, Formula 1 has become far too strategic. What should be done to really push drivers to the edge is to bad fuelstop
151 BlueElephant : " target=_blank>http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...2.stm Domenicali said pretty much the same thing, that it was the Safety car that ruined the r
152 EZEIZA : You actually proved what I was saying, it's marketing, but useless. Flashes and sparks don't affect performance. I'm not saying it was bad, maybe eve
153 Moo : Performance in Singapore will certainly be different because its a night race - the air temperature is cooler.
154 Bill142 : I can totally see how the Saftey Car and the refuelling guy pushing a button are related. Have you ever been to Singapore?
155 StealthZ : Cooler perhaps than Malaysia, Bahrain, (Melbourne '08) etc but certainly warmer than most races.
156 Moo : Yes. Lived there for two months. The differences is is that since its a night race, it would be cooling throughout the race.
157 EZEIZA : Fair enough, but track-air temperature can change in any GP. But the performance -driver or car- per se did not change because of the night factor. I
158 Sudden : Which would not have any influence on the performance as it would still be hotter then many European races, or equal. Aim for the sky! Sudden
159 Moo : I'm just challenging the blanket statement that a night race would not have had any affect on performance - it quite obviously does. I'm not saying t
160 Sudden : Which means that the temp in Singapore would still be within/or above the European temperatures! The fact that it's cooling down during the race has
161 Moo : Of course it doesn't, the fact that the airflow dynamics, the engine cooling dynamics, the road temperature and dozens of other things are changing a
162 Sudden : You obviously want me to engage in your childish modd throwing that we have seen from you in the past, but I have to disappoint you on that one. Aim
163 Baroque : I would think the track temperature might be the most critical difference between night and day. During the day, track temps are going to be over 40C
164 Moo : I dont want you to engage in anything, but you seem to be intent on spouting absolute rubbish. Of *course* the environment the cars run in will have
165 StealthZ : Not very much in Singapore last Sunday I suspect. Between the race start at 20:00 and 1:57hrs later the temp had dropped from a balmy 28c to a positi
166 Post contains links Legoguy : Guys, quit the bickering. It was an ennoyable race and alot better than Valencia. Who cares if the night race was a marketing stunt. It was a highly s
167 Moo : It would still have an effect, especially if you consider the fact that the upper surfaces of the tyres would have been heated by the lighting also (
168 Alessandro : Well, both Bahrain and Malaysia are considering night races, which would be interesting.
169 EZEIZA : Yes, it is interesting now that it is unique, but I think, and this is just my opinion, that if more and more night races are introduced, they would
170 Post contains links LTU932 : Unfortunately it's the way of the future. Over a year ago, Bernie even threatened the operator of the Albert Park Circuit in Melboune that they could
171 EZEIZA : Interesting .... unfair, but interesting. So half the world has to suffer going to bed at whatever time just to suit Europe? Will this trend also go
172 LTU932 : Nobody knows, but hell, with Bernie you'll never know. For all I can think of, there may even be night races in Europe some day. Get Singapore out of
173 Baroque : All races in all countries to be held at 12.00 midday GMT, Universal time or whatever? Hmmm!!! Actually, the laugh is that 12 midday GMT for any race
174 Bill142 : Nothing. It would just become more Euro-centric. All those canned European races would make a return, along with some new ones. Grand Prix Suomi anyo
175 EZEIZA : But as more and more Asian cities are being included, wouldn't they eventually have the same "power" as Europe?
176 Baroque : Not unless Ferarri moves to Asia!
177 BA757 : A Grand Prix of Finland would be pretty cool, no doubt.
178 LTU932 : That's what Bernie may try to impose on other locations. Just remember: Money makes the world go round, and Bernie and Max don't really give a damn a
179 EZEIZA : no need for that, Ferrari has fans all over the world, not only in Europe ... unlike any other team
180 Sudden : This is utterly stupid Moo! And if you read what you wrote a couple of times, you might even see it yourself. Although several people on this board t
181 Bill142 : You would think so. But they only seem to review the European television figures. Also, my comment was in regards to all the Asian countries giving u
182 Sudden : I really wonder if they actually have any tracks in Finland that would be able to host an F1? A go-cart track would not really do, I guess. Did a Goo
183 BA757 : Can you even imagine an F1 car going through some of the Ouninpohja stage? Obviously not very practical, but it would be interesting.
184 Sudden : HAHA............That would be the coolest race ever! I can hear the commentator saying: "And Kimi just made his pitstop for fule, tyres, and a Vodka.
185 Post contains links BlueElephant : http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ms/non_aviation/read.main/1986391/ Please continue here!
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