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Nearly 13.000 Children Hospitalized In China..  
User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1645 times:

...the scandal surrounding the sale of polluted milk is widening throughout China and Hong Kong..now reports speak about more than 13.000 children put into hospitals ,many of which are seriously ill.
Industry and food usually don't go well together too well..
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...601080&sid=a4krf9ZOzsh8&refer=asia


Please respect animals - don't eat them...
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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1639 times:
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Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
13.000 children put into hospitals ,many of which are seriously ill.

 eyepopping  13,000? that's a lot... I hope they will be fine again soon  pray 

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User currently offlineFlexo From St. Helena, joined Mar 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

That is a really incredible number. Are there any fatalities?

User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1611 times:

As we import more and more food from over seas it will not be long until this happens over here.

When ever possible i only buy local or made in Canada/USA/Europe. We have our problems but the food industry is not totally inept and corrupt as is seems to be in other parts....

|ncidentially the chemical in the tainted milk is the same that was in the tainted pet food scandal from a couple of years ago.

And yes some babies have died.

Christine



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

You have to stop and ask yourself is the cost savings worth the risks. Remember last year we also had the lead paint kids toy scandal.


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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080921/...as/as_china_baby_formula_recall_61

What the f.uck has Melamine to be done in baby-milk ????
Food industry and processed food side-effects are most likely the third-biggest killers after heart-deseases ,alcohol and drugs..
There is a clear and proven link between processed food ,add-on's used in processed food and cancer.But food lobby is very,very powerful-nearly as powerful as the weapons-lobby.



Please respect animals - don't eat them...
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13986 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

I have the slight suspicion that some ex-CEOs and managers of said company will have an appointment with some Chinese cop pointing an AK-47 at their heads in some sandpit shortly.
Others will probably spend a long time in a Chinese labour camp.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 5):
What the f.uck has Melamine to be done in baby-milk ????

Melamine is being used to fool standard food tests into giving higher protein results.
The company apparently streched the milk powder with some up to now unknown substances and then added Melamine to fool the food inspectors to show that it has the protein content of regular milk.

Quote:

Melamine is sometimes unethically added to food products in order to increase the apparent protein content. Standard tests such as the Kjeldahl and Dumas tests estimate protein levels by measuring the nitrogen content, so they can be misled by adding nitrogen-rich compounds such as melamine. [10]

From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melamin

Jan

[Edited 2008-09-21 11:38:02]

User currently offlineJetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1644 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1507 times:
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Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 6):
I have the slight suspicion that some ex-CEOs and managers of said company will have an appointment with some Chinese cop pointing an AK-47 at their heads in some sandpit shortly.
Others will probably spend a long time in a Chinese labour camp.

I believe the Chinese government executed the head of their equivalent of our FDA last year for taking bribes from drug companies to overlook defects in Chinese manufactured drugs.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 6):
The company apparently streched the milk powder with some up to now unknown substances and then added Melamine to fool the food inspectors to show that it has the protein content of regular milk.

They first water down the raw milk and then add the melamine in to raise the protein level so it shows normal.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13986 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1492 times:



Quoting Jetstar (Reply 7):
They first water down the raw milk and then add the melamine in to raise the protein level so it shows normal.

The standard laboratory tests for protein content just measure the nitrogen content of the sample (since nitrogen is an element which makes up aminoacids, which in turn make up proteins).
Melamine also contains a big amount of nitrogen and fools the tests into showing more proteins than really exist in the sample.
To actually measure the protein content, more complicated (and expensive) test are necessary, which can't be fooled as easily.

Basically what the milk producers have done is to cheat the food inspectors.

Jan


User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

So, they couldn't get away with poisoning people from other countries with their crap, so they decided to poison their own people and give the good stuff to people from other countries...

Very nice -- you know, morally that's actually worse than poisoning everybody else and keeping the good food for your own people; countries are supposed to put their own population above the value of other populations... to poison your own people is really bad.


Blackbird


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1428 times:

I wonder what the future of Nestlé will be in China...


Please respect animals - don't eat them...
User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2796 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1413 times:

A lot of Nestle products are being pulled from the shelves of neighboring countries, including here in Hong Kong. . . we can only hope that this gets resolved soon. What's sad is that it's children/babies being affected the most from all this.

User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6698 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1408 times:

There was something on the radio here last week and the two issues as to why powdered milk was used were 1) it was seen by the chinese as "modern" and the done thing to do and 2) many many women have to work, sometimes far from home, and there isn't the chance to breastfeed.

Looking at another wiki, there were problems last year with pet foods and animal feed also being adulterated with melamine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_protein_export_contamination


The count is now up to 53000 kids being ill with 13000 in hospital.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7628622.stm


Mr Wen also threatened harsh punishments for those found responsible for the contamination.

"Public confidence can only be rebuilt on merciless punishment," he said. "None of those companies lacking professional ethics or social morals will be let off."


As already alluded to.... bullets in the head?

It makes you wonder how they thought they'd get away with it. It's not as if baby milk isn't going to be seen as the common factor in lots of sick babies.



wheat and dairy can screw up your brain
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13986 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1391 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 11):
As already alluded to.... bullets in the head?

Or 30 years of hard labour in some Chinese Gulag camp in the Gobi desert.

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 12):
It makes you wonder how they thought they'd get away with it. It's not as if baby milk isn't going to be seen as the common factor in lots of sick babies.

The malamine was specifically added to fool the standard tests used by the food control departments. To detect melamine, you'll need a suspicion first and then specialised tests.
melamine is widely used industrial chemical, required e.g. for the manufacture of certain plastics and glues.

Jan


User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6698 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1382 times:



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 13):
The malamine was specifically added to fool the standard tests used by the food control departments. To detect melamine, you'll need a suspicion first and then specialised tests.

So they were relying on the hope that melamine wouldn't cause any health issues? Does this mean that melamine has been used at a lower level without obvious effects and now they've just increased the dose and the problems have now cropped up?



wheat and dairy can screw up your brain
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1375 times:

China is like the USA in the late 1800's to early 1900's as to a vastly unregulated consumer goods, labor, business and financial services. It took a number of books, magazine articles, too many people getting killed, the progressive movement and political leaders like President T. Roosevelt, and later FDR to make the necessary changes. Of course, unlike the USA of those eras, there is no freedom of speech or investigative reporters in modern China so only when massive numbers are sick or dead is any attention given, and even then, usually quickly quashed.

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13986 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1375 times:



Quoting Oly720man (Reply 14):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 13):
The malamine was specifically added to fool the standard tests used by the food control departments. To detect melamine, you'll need a suspicion first and then specialised tests.

So they were relying on the hope that melamine wouldn't cause any health issues? Does this mean that melamine has been used at a lower level without obvious effects and now they've just increased the dose and the problems have now cropped up?

I don't know, but I suspect that baby formula has to be regularly checked by the local food authority, as it is the case in other countries.
The authority used standard tests, since probably until the kidney problems turned up and somebody noticed that all of the affected babies have been using this formula, nobody suspected any criminal activity.
After all, the manufacturer in question is the biggest manufactuer for milk products in China and it is partly owned by a company from New Zealand.

Jan


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