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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

It seems that over the past few years, the United States relationship with countries in South America has been drastically diminished. With the likes of Venezuela and now Bolivia "hating" on the United States, how will this effect the surounding countries? Paraguay just elected in a new President who seems to hold his cards close to his chest on which way he will go (see article linked). Which way will he slide off to? Also, Brasil seen as the "Big Brother" of South America, will the start to take the reigns in making amends with America or goining in the hatred?

I know that the United States has done a lot to maybe provoke some of this stuff or maybe just people being misleaded but this is starting to turn into something very interesting seeing Latin America being put into the same categories as those of East Asia (Iran, Iraq a few years back).

What are your thoughts?

http://www.sacbee.com/328/story/1251137.html


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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8538 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1520 times:



Quoting QXatFAT (Thread starter):
Also, Brasil seen as the "Big Brother" of South America, will the start to take the reigns in making amends with America or goining in the hatred?

Brazil gets more closely integrated with the USA by the day. Trade volumed and bi-lateral travel have skyrocketed along with Brazil's raging healthy economy. Why on Earth would brazil be upset with the USA... they are friendly to one another.

Chavez is by definition unfriendly with the USA because he is a communist dictator. By definition he will use us as a goblin to enhance his own power. Naturally, we will not be supportive of Chavez because Venezuela would be better off with a more businesslike, modern leader. Like Genghis Khan, possibly.

Quoting QXatFAT (Thread starter):
this is starting to turn into something very interesting

South America has several broken countries. It is really their decision whether to reform and become more like Costa Rica or Belize, or if they want to persist and be third-world nations. It is up to them. Countries that oppose the US tend to isolate themselves, becoming poorer and less stable. Thus, their very opposition is no threat to us. We are just sorry that Bolivia and Venezuela could not be rich, first-world nations that trade with us like modern countries. They could be, but they have chosen another path. Opposing America is like opposing both your bodyguard, and your employer. It is pointless. If it takes 100 years for them to change then there is nothing we can do about it.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1517 times:



Quoting QXatFAT (Thread starter):
Also, Brasil seen as the "Big Brother" of South America, will the start to take the reigns in making amends with America or goining in the hatred?

Not going in the hatred, at least I doubt it. Big trading partners and Lula is quite friendly with Bush. Plus the latter is almost out of office anyways, so it depends on the next President. The Democrats are more liked in general, but not in trade. This might hinder the relationship a bit, but nothing serious.

As far as Paraguay goes, Lugo is a priest, so I don't expect him to follow on the footsteps of Hugo and Morales.



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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1488 times:

Besides for Venezuela and Bolivia where is the problem between the US and South America? US and Columbia are crucial allies. US and Brazil are huge trading partners etc...


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User currently offlineGreggarious From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1464 times:



Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 3):
Columbia

For future reference, it's Colombia... but yes, you are right about South America and the US.


User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1458 times:



Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 3):
Besides for Venezuela and Bolivia where is the problem between the US and South America?

Okay well there are 13 countries in South America. 2 are against the United States and 2 are not real close but are not opposed to the United States. You have Paraguay which is becoming more influenced by Boliva over the past few years (I hear this from people I know who live there and read the papers), and is not Argentina sort of going through the same things as Boliva right now? Starting to become more friends with Venezuela and not the United States? Ecuador had a peaceful demonstration by people today or yesterday wanting to support Boliva against the United States.

The governments with the least corruption in them are Chile and Uruguay. Not the most vocal of countries in South America to keep good ties with the United States in my opinion.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 2):
As far as Paraguay goes, Lugo is a priest, so I don't expect him to follow on the footsteps of Hugo and Morales

Being a priest really doesnt mean a thing. Did you read the article? This guy is becoming more and more buddy buddy with Hugo. Being a priest doesnt make you a good polotician. Look at amost all American Presidents. They all claim Christian faith but yet still do bad things. To think religion keeps you in line as a Political Leader is blindness.



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2086 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1448 times:



Quoting QXatFAT (Thread starter):
With the likes of Venezuela and now Bolivia "hating" on the United States, how will this effect the surounding countries? Paraguay just elected in a new President who seems to hold his cards close to his chest on which way he will go (see article linked). Which way will he slide off to? Also, Brasil seen as the "Big Brother" of South America, will the start to take the reigns in making amends with America or goining in the hatred?

I think you're assessing the opposition towards America a little too harsh when you speak of "hatred". With its very controversial policies, the US is going to face a large measure of criticism and opposition from other countries. That's quite natural. In the past, this criticism was very much covered up and kept in check among allied countries; with today's multi-polar world order, we're seeing more and more of it out in the open, and from more and more countries. This is a trend that will continue.
Chavez may be seen simply as a "communist dictator" (e.g. see reply 1) by most in the US (and certainly on this predominantely right-wing forum), but don't forget that he does have quite a following in many other countries.
As for predictions, if America continues with a "either for us or against us" foreign policy, then more and more countries, particularly in South America, will fall to the "against" side, or the "hatred" side, as you call it. With a more balanced and factual foreign policy, I don't see any significant changes from the current situation, though. There still is a high degree of admiration for the US and the American way of life in South America, and there are no fundamental cultural or religious differences which would prevent understanding and good relations.



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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

Most countries in the region have cordial to good relations with the United States. The antics of Venezuela's president always take the headlines... but from El Salvador to Uruguay, Chile to Colombia, Peru to Guatemala, etc, etc, virtually all have, like I said, cordial relations at the very least to constructive ones, even as the United States has pretty much ignored the region. Which actually I think is a good sign in a way as it shows the region has a lot greater political and economic stability.

It's ironic and unsual that right now there is one country in the Western Hemisphere which is in the middle of a financial crisis and needs a massive bailout, and it's not in Latin America!



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