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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19699 posts, RR: 58
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/bu...iness/01muni.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Needless to say, suddenly local governments can't afford their public works projects. Let alone schools and healthcare.

We're screwed.

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User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3761 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1811 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
Let alone schools and healthcare.

Nah, what do you worry about?... Corporate sponsorship is the answer. Just imagine schools sponsored by McDonalds and Fox network, and Hospitals brought to you courtesy of John & Feldman Legal consultant and Midwestern Undertakers.

There, problem solved. Big grin



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User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1750 times:

Francoflier,

You do realize that having corporations performing virtually all the functions a government is supposed to perform is an integral characteristic in fascist governments.


Blackbird


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3761 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1730 times:



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 3):
You do realize that having corporations performing virtually all the functions a government is supposed to perform is an integral characteristic in fascist governments.

You do realize I was joking?



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User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1722 times:

Francoflier,

I had a feeling it was, but on this forum it's hard to tell...


Blackbird


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3761 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1695 times:



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 4):
but on this forum it's hard to tell...

I know what you mean...



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1660 times:




When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

"Cities, states and other local governments have been effectively shut out of the bond markets for the last two weeks"

That's great news. Enough with borrow and spend.



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1634 times:



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 1):
imagine schools sponsored by McDonalds

If they can't even raise funds to overhaul their restaurants then I don't think they'll have enough to start sponsoring schools!  Wink

Things really are pretty grim. I'm in the construction trade in Phoenix (or rather I WAS, when there was a construction trade!) and it's depressing. I have been asked to do 3 bids recently and they're all highly price sensitive, something that never happened before. And if do get the work, I'm worried that I'll do it and not get paid.



Fortune favours the brave
User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1631 times:

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 1):

Nah, what do you worry about?... Corporate sponsorship is the answer. Just imagine schools sponsored by McDonalds and Fox network, and Hospitals brought to you courtesy of John & Feldman Legal consultant and Midwestern Undertakers.

There, problem solved. Big grin

Laugh all you want, but thousands of underprivileged kids in Brazil are educated in quality schools such as those you mentioned, instead of being in shithole public schools.

Funny how people prefer political influence in their kids over organizations teaching the very people who will eventually work for them.

PS: And nevermind that most private schools are independent from businesses, yet it is quite often businesses who pay for their employees the tuition of their kids as "employee benefits."

[Edited 2008-10-01 07:29:59]


"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

Call me old fashioned but....It seems every business large and small, governments, citizens are all connected to this network of credit like lifeblood. It hasn't been a month yet and -everyone- system wide is in immediate panic mode. That is not independence by any stretch. If the government and businesses cannot keep from spending their seed money before they even earn it....it really is "stick a fork in us" time.

The banks loan 10x what they have in actual deposits, businesses depend on immediate credit to service today's inventory, and citizens spend what they don't have on things they don't need.

It seems everyone is one "paycheck" away from living in the streets. Doesn't it make anyone wonder why there is not even one entity that can truly claim to be uneffected by this turmoil?


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3761 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1502 times:



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 9):
Funny how people prefer political influence in their kids over organizations teaching the very people who will eventually work for them.

Well, I'm sorry, I don't know about Brazil, but anywhere else I've gone, government funded schools weren't propaganda machines.
Corporations, on the other hand, very much have their own interest at heart whenever they spend on anything, unless maybe for charity purposes (and still, ...tax breaks).



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1464 times:



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 7):
That's great news. Enough with borrow and spend.

I agree. It's time that we balance the budget, raise taxes so that we can actually provide the services that a First World government should provide without having to invent money, and fix things here so that we can keep people warm, watered, and fed and so that we can move people and goods.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1457 times:



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 11):
Well, I'm sorry, I don't know about Brazil, but anywhere else I've gone, government funded schools weren't propaganda machines.

I don't know about in France, but in the U.S. there are certain practices that stand out in sharp contrast to private schools. Whether it's simple things like the pledge of allegiance every morning, flags on every classrooms, ideas that originate from politicians and are passed down to schools to "shape the future citizen" (political correctness) or whatever you call it, to the very pro-government bias teachers will have. It's their employer after all, it's extremely difficult to fire government employees, and they are usually overpaid--having this kind of tendency:




Quoting Francoflier (Reply 11):
Corporations, on the other hand, very much have their own interest at heart whenever they spend on anything, unless maybe for charity purposes (and still, ...tax breaks).

And their own interest is not to have an intelligent and well rounded employee that will be able to make good decisions for them?

http://www.fb.org.br/Institucional/EN

http://www.embraer.com/english/conte.../press_releases_detalhe.asp?id=179

Regardless, most private schools aren't run or owned by corporations.



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1455 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):

Better tax and spend than borrow and spend  checkmark 

Politicians who borrow money are just trying to avoid raising taxes.



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
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