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Who Watched Rosie's Interview With Diane Sawyer?  
User currently offline*HighFlyah* From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 184 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1049 times:

I thought it was wonderful - both Diane and Rosie. Rosie spoke fairly and firmly about her feelings about being gay and gay adoption, an issue that is quite the hot topic lately. I am gay personally and would some day love to be able to be parenting a child who needs my love.

I am most impressed and relieved that Rosie did not come across as someone who was so much supporting gay rights that she was arrogant and implying that gay people are better than straight people, which indeed would be insulting to a straight audience who is trying to understand this concept of non-standard family.

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User currently offlineJsf119 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1008 times:

if someone is gay it doesnt bother me but what does bother me a little is gay adoption.i dont think it is fai to the child there are some things a mother can provide and some things a father can provide. every child needs a mother and father. in my opinion its a little selfish to do to a child. i dont want what i said to be twisted around so i will stop there. i hope i dont offend anyone because i know its a touchy subject but its just my opinion.

User currently offlineSkyway1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1008 times:

Does anybody have a life??? Who would watch Rosie spilling her damn guts with Diane Sawyer? Everybody knew she was a lesbian, why is this such big new news now?

Chris


User currently offlineLax From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 2290 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 993 times:

Chris seems privvy to some inside data. Wonder how?

Chris, will M. Jordan play again next season??


User currently offlineSkyway1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 993 times:

Hmmmmmm.....no inside data on my end, just common sense. About Micheal Jordan, I wouldn't doubt it either way but who knows.

Chris  Smile  Smile


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 986 times:

every child needs a mother and father

Like Russell & Andrea Yates?

I appreciate the respect with which you comment, jsf, but I adamantly disagree. To suggest only traditional husbands and wives are capable of the love, nuture and discipline neccessary to raise a kid is IMO wrong.

I WILL agree with anyone who says a child being raised by a gay couple will inevitably face ostracism and contempt. So? Should we run the rest of society based on what our least enlightened citizens will do or say? Should successful, devoted, intelligent people be denied the chance to raise a kid for the sole reason that some asshole might insult that kid down the road?

Nope.

Every child needs love, nuture, support and discipline. We shouldn't narrow the parameters as to who is capable of giving those.


User currently offlineLufthansausa From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 188 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 972 times:

Heavymetal-assuming you were raised by 'traditional' parents, I don't know how you could claim that the only drawback to gay parenting is ostracism. I know people being raised by lesbians, and it gives them a very rough time, but surprisingly, no one makes fun of them. However, they themselves don't feel at ease with the situation, and they are clearly lacking (just as children of divorced parents do) the influence of a father. It is scientifically proven that there are gender specific abilities required by both parents to influence a child into healthy development. It is ludicrous to claim that gay parents "have the right" to raise children. Quite simply, they don't-because they don't have the family structure necessary to raise a well developed child. Often it seems that people, not just those who are gay, want children as a prize, rather than out of a sacrificial love. Finally, calling those who still understand the nature of a family and parenting "least enlightened" is very narrow minded on your part, for it shows an unwillingness to scientifically examine the facts about child raising.
Respectfully,

Lufthansausa


User currently offlineDC3Cowboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 965 times:

Lufthansausa

Well put. Two men claiming one of them can replace a real mother, or two women claiming one of them can replace a real father is the ultimate in arrogance. The reason there are so many children waiting to be adopted is government red tape (designed to protect government behinds). The average family simply cannot afford it, and what children really need is an average family. They deserve better than social experimentation.


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 964 times:

Luft..

First of all, you COMPLETELY missed the "least enlightened" comment. If you'll read it again, I was referring to the person or persons who would inflict ostracism on the child of a gay household, not on someone holding an opinion that it was wrong. I doubt very much you're defending bullies and jerks who would give s*it to a kid, so I'll just assumed you misread what I was saying.

Now, on to your points:

I know people being raised by lesbians, and it gives them a very rough time, but surprisingly, no one makes fun of them.

Why is that a surprise?

However, they themselves don't feel at ease with the situation, and they are clearly lacking (just as children of divorced parents do) the influence of a father.

What exactly is a clear symptom of "lacking a father"?

It is scientifically proven that there are gender specific abilities required by both parents to influence a child into healthy development.

Ergo all children from husband-wife environments are developed healthy, and all who aren't....aren't? Sorry, the math just doesn't add up. And I heap doubt on the phrase "scientifically proven". At one time science proved the Earth was Flat.

It is ludicrous to claim that gay parents "have the right" to raise children.

Actually, I didn't make that claim...but I will. Why is it ludicrous? I'll take a stab at the idea that your comment is less about "rights" and more about your disgust with the people who remind you they do, in fact, have them.

the family structure necessary to raise a well developed child.

I see. Who does? Straight people? Is there a book somewhere or a manual called 'How to raise the perfect kid?' Who wrote it? Does it work?

Often it seems that people, not just those who are gay, want children as a prize, rather than out of a sacrificial love

Here's where I agree with you. How many married couples have had babies in an effort to salvage a bad marraige, hoping the kid will redirect focus? I know of several in my life. Do they work? More often than not, no.
But let's revert to the original topic. Rosie O'Donnell , who has a talk show popular enough that any production company would renew tommorow, has said it's over. Why? The kids. If that isn't sacrifice, tell me something that is.
I agree that a screening process is needed to determine if someone is adopting a child to satisfy an interest in conflict with that child's needs. But being gay shouldn't automatically be on the list of negatives.

Luft, you're dealing in strongly held beliefs rooted in a system that, statistically, isn't that strong. And you're demanding respect of family scenarios that just don't happen with the finality you imply....happy, healthy well developed kids DO come out of upbringings that aren't traditional. And...screwed up kids DO come out of smile-a-day Brady Bunch homes.

I wouldn't suggest revising many of your opinions in the benefits of traditional family mores and principles. I would suggest giving thought to who is capable of implementing those values.

Cheers


User currently offlineDC3Cowboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 953 times:

Lufthansausa

Again, you are right. Please note that the liberal left always resorts to long-winded, fuzzy explanations of their positions. The truth is short and to the point: Children need a mother and a father. Not two fathers; not two mothers.

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 950 times:

So I'm the 'liberal left' now huh? (hehehehe as opposed to the conservative left?)

The 'long winded' explanation was in response to a respectfully posted opinion. I wouldn't have thought it would come across as 'fuzzy' to anyone short of a recently lobotomized car-train accident victim dosed heavily on Robitussin with codeine. Clearly it did.

Yipee kay-yay, pahdnah.



User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 948 times:

No, I didn't watch. Why? Because I could frankly care less about what Rosie says, does, and feels. All she seems to do is try to alter moral standards to conform to her views, and then get's upset when it doesn't happen. And the opinions of biased windbags like her are best disregarded.

User currently offlineDC3Cowboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 945 times:

Lufthansausa

Please note that they also resort to the usual labeling
and name calling when their "points" are demolished by common sense.

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 941 times:

Whatever, cowboy. You've got the bigger dick.

Sleep well.


User currently offlineDC3Cowboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 936 times:

I rest my case

User currently offlineLax From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 2290 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 933 times:




User currently offlineDC3Cowboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 925 times:

Why would he be interested in who had the biggest
dick? oh.....I see.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 923 times:

Well, she's certainly no beauty. If she was gorgeous, it would be a waste of a hot chick!



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineLufthansausa From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 188 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 920 times:

DC3Cowboy-many thanks for your support.

User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2566 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 913 times:

I thought she was disrespectful and dismissive of President and Mrs. Bush. While I sypathize with her issue, she does not need to attack.


Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
User currently offlineDC3Cowboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 908 times:

Lufthansausa

Keep Hvymtl in your prayers. He's a good guy.........just confused.

Bill


User currently offlineSkyway1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 897 times:

I always found it amusing that Rosie was such a gun control advocate, but at the same time was a spokesperson for KMart. Practically all you had to have was a drivers license to buy a firearm at KMart. I'm sure the rules have changed now though.

Chris  Smile


User currently offlineJsf119 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 882 times:

heavymetal:
i dont always agree with what you say however i would like to acknowledge the grace and dignity you always present yourself with when you post. its easier to have a "civilized chat" when someone behaves and posts like you do. however i must agree with luft some things in this world are meant for a man and a woman to do. andrea and russel yates are the exception to the rule. i think allowing gay adoption will eventually set a course which could allow the breakdown in some areas of society. if people want to be gay thats fine but if the want kids in my opinion they should spend more time with neices and nephews or kids of friends.
respectfully---- jsf


User currently offline*HighFlyah* From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 875 times:

I don't think what she said about President Bush and family was disrespectful at all. She phrased her disagreement with their views very respectfully but firmly and offered sincerely to have them visit their household. Perhaps the only disrespect that is felt is that she simply disagreed? That's not disrespect. It's a differing opinion from people who are obviously on two sides of an issue.


User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2561 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 872 times:

Unfortunately in this day and age, any disagreement with whatever Bush says is construed as disrespectful, dismissive, and (gulp) "unpatriotic" in some quarters.

25 Post contains images L-188 : I laughed when K-mart dumped her a a spokesperson because of her gun-control stance.... Who knew you could be a gun grabbing Nazi and a lesbo at the s
26 Post contains images Skyway1 : Great post L-188! I give it two thumbs up. Chris
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