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What Next For Zimbabwe?  
User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1818 posts, RR: 8
Posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1431 times:

...http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7664921.stm

It seems Mugagbe never intended to share peacefully. He has given his own party the posts such as: defence, justice, Foreign affairs and media to name just a few, where as he has given the MDC posts such as Art and Sports.

What can be done? I doubt the problem will ever go away until he is removed from power completely.

In the report it says the inflation in Zimbabwe is now at a staggering 231,000,000%. I really do feel for all the innocent people. I hope it gets sorted out but unfortunately i see that as being years off.


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User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2115 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1415 times:



Quoting Danfearn77 (Thread starter):
What can be done? I doubt the problem will ever go away until he is removed from power completely.

He'll probably have to die first, which will either kick off free and fair elections (a first) or a civil war.


User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1818 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1408 times:



Quoting MainMAN (Reply 1):
Quoting Danfearn77 (Thread starter):
What can be done? I doubt the problem will ever go away until he is removed from power completely.

He'll probably have to die first, which will either kick off free and fair elections (a first) or a civil war.

Its funny though, and this is what annoys me, we invade countries only when there is something in it for us. Im not against the war in Iraq but its funny how the country has large oil reserves. And yet millions in Zimbabwe are suffering and yet all our Government can do is condemn Mugabe.



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User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2115 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1399 times:



Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 2):
And yet millions in Zimbabwe are suffering and yet all our Government can do is condemn Mugabe.

"We have no business interfering in the affairs of other nation states" - that's the official line. It'd take about half an hour for the SAS/armed forces to affect regime change in Harare, and the world would hardly blink.

I have a personal interest in Zim; I know several exiles in the UK and Perth just waiting for a chance to take their lives back up where they left off. One of them, I'm pleased to say is still managing to run his Zim businesses from the relative comfort of Australia.


User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1818 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1385 times:



Quoting MainMAN (Reply 3):
One of them, I'm pleased to say is still managing to run his Zim businesses from the relative comfort of Australia.

Thats great news, lets hope it can stay that way for him.

I dont know too much about them but my parents used to have family friends who lived in Zimbabwe but i know they left a few years ago fearing for their safety.

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 3):
It'd take about half an hour for the SAS/armed forces to affect regime change in Harare, and the world would hardly blink.

Exactly. Totally agree. Honestly im surprised it hasnt happened already to be honest. Im almost hoping he gets overthrown and can finally stand trial for whats he has done.



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User currently offlineFridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1376 times:
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Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 4):
Quoting MainMAN (Reply 3):
It'd take about half an hour for the SAS/armed forces to affect regime change in Harare, and the world would hardly blink.

Exactly. Totally agree. Honestly im surprised it hasnt happened already to be honest. Im almost hoping he gets overthrown and can finally stand trial for whats he has done.

Either us or Great Britain needs to get off their ass and take this guy out. Like MainMan says, the world would hardly blink. Hell, whoever took his ass out would probably be praised around the world!

It wouldn't take much time or assets. Coordinate with the Opposition who can coordinate with assets still in the Government to deal with the Military, move in, take Mugabe out and then leave. The Opposition can deal with the population.

I know thats over-simplified but you get the idea.



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User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4087 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1372 times:



Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 2):
And yet millions in Zimbabwe are suffering and yet all our Government can do is condemn Mugabe.



Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 4):
Honestly im surprised it hasnt happened already to be honest.



Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 5):
Either us or Great Britain needs to get off their ass and take this guy out.

I bloody hope not. For all the terrible things that are on going in Zimbabwe, my stance on regime change is still the same - it is not something that should ever be accepted as a legitimate action that can be taken. Ever.

Regime change is one of the most dispicable things one country can force on another, regardless of what regime they are changing.

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 4):
Im almost hoping he gets overthrown and can finally stand trial for whats he has done.

This I agree with - the change needs to come from within, and he needs to either be removed by his countrymen or stand trial.


User currently offlineDeskflier From Sweden, joined Jan 2007, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

In the last week before the latest presidential "elections" i Belarus, a Byelorussian man was asked what it would take to replace Lukasjenka as president. His answer came quickly:"A sniper!"

Seems something akin to this is what Mugabe needs to leave power. Bad thing if that's the case, because that would almost certainly throw Zimbabwe into civil war.
This isn't the first time Mugabe maneuvers to secure as much power as possible for himself. Already in the first year of black rule in then Rhodesia-Zimbabwe, he more or less gave an ultimatum to his co-president Joshua Nkomo to leave Mugabe all presidential power or face tribal war between Mugabes Shona tribe and Nkomos Ndebele tribe. Even though the Ndebeles has the military traditions, the Shonas outnumber them by the usual farmer to herdsman ratio. Not only would the country have been thrown into renewed civil war, but he would have lost as well, of course Nkomo stepped down. In 1987 Mugabe announced that the next elections would also be an referendum to make Zimbabwe a one-party state. Luckily he didn't get the decisive victory to go through with his plans then.
Expect Mugabe to give Tsvangirai a similar ultimatum that he gave Nkomo within a year.



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User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1343 times:



Quoting MainMAN (Reply 1):
He'll probably have to die first, which will either kick off free and fair elections (a first) or a civil war.

I think Mugabe has either kept power for so long because people fear him, he has extremely loyal followers who are feared or he as arranged his government in such a way that key persons in power are suspicious of each other's intentions. I have the distinct feeling that it's a little of the second and a lot of the third point. In that case, when Mugabe dies there will be in-fighting and civil war for power that will plunge the country into unspeakable darkness well beyond the day to day suffering experienced today.

Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 5):
Either us or Great Britain needs to get off their ass and take this guy out. Like MainMan says, the world would hardly blink. Hell, whoever took his ass out would probably be praised around the world!

Have you learned nothing from the American debacle in Iraq. One lesson from that terrible mistake is that government, good or bad is still government. Even though Mugabe is a horrid president and his government is full of a bunch of greedy, power-hungry thugs, there is social order and relative peace in the country. Take Mugabe out and you will have civil war and bloodshed in the tens of thousands. Democracy, prosperity and lasting peace will only come when there is a grass roots movement to achieve it by the people of the country. No number of envoys, G8 sanctions, and political maneuvering will ever create successful democracy without the support of the people... only when the people of the nation of interest are ready, willing and able to take it on can democracy flourish.

The road to democracy, despite my own personal levels of impatience, is a very slow and arduous one.



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