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U.S. Election - Obama/McCain Debate #3 10/15/2008  
User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2440 times:

I don't think we have a thread yet.

Let the games begin...


"Reality is wrong, dreams are for real." -Tupac
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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

McCain sure came out swinging, and connected on a lot of his shots. He's dropped off a bit since then, but he's still doing a lot better than he has in the past debates.

-Mir



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6584 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2429 times:
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McCain looks pissed off. He trembles when he talks. He is ready to shout


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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

Can anyone clarify what McCain said?....

Honestly..I got a little confused when the discussion was about NAFTA...so he talks about Colombia (not part of NAFTA)...and then All of a sudden...he says that Obama wants to talk to the President Hugo Chavez?....

Hugo Chavez is the President of Venezuela....wtf.


User currently offlineGreggarious From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2415 times:

John McCain looks particularly senile tonight (Joe the... plumber).

Barack Obama can't complete a sentence without stuttering all over the place.

McCain has definitely done better than I expected (I was especially pleasantly surprised when he spoke about his position on ethanol subsidies and tariffs, as well as the Colombia free trade agreement). Barack was way too tame for the first half (especially when given a gold-plated opportunity to rightfully shred apart Sarah Palin... instead he starts using autism research as an example of using a scalpel to carve up the budget! Dub-tee-eff!!!) Second half has been all Barack, though, especially on health care.

Bottom line for McCain-Palin: debates don't win elections, but they sure can help to lose them. Pinning their hopes and dreams on tonight's performance leaves them in an untenable situation.

Edit: turning one of my jumbled phrases into a coherent sentence

[Edited 2008-10-15 19:13:22]

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2413 times:



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 3):
Can anyone clarify what McCain said?....

Honestly..I got a little confused when the discussion was about NAFTA...so he talks about Colombia (not part of NAFTA)...and then All of a sudden...he says that Obama wants to talk to the President Hugo Chavez?....

He is doing a lot of talking about one point, and then adding something else barely related at the end as an aside. It wasn't just on that topic.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8840 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2368 times:



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 3):
I got a little confused when the discussion was about NAFTA...so he talks about Colombia (not part of NAFTA)

He was talking about the Columbia Free Trade Agreement which Obama opposed.

Joe the Plumber should change the name of his business to "Joe The Plumber"



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2334 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 2):
McCain looks pissed off. He trembles when he talks. He is ready to shout

And he seemed to interrupt a great deal, which his opponent did not seem to do.

Looks as if McC is another who does not understand the difference between gross income and net income for a business. If Joe the plumber is a start up and has a net income >250K he needs a better accountant!!


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

McCain appeared angry, negative and mostly beholden to his talking points and prefabricated anecdotes. His frustration and desperation was palpable.

Obama appeared concise, gracious, non-partisan, to the point and apart from his trademark stuttering at times very smooth and eloquent in his delivery.

Another clear win for Obama — McCain was so busy pandering to the core of his republican base that he probably lost even more of the swing vote tonight. The effect should be noticeable in the next polls.


User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4588 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

This debate was interesting, and the above comments seem to mirror and echo some of my own feelings.

The republican party should be happy as McCain came across as fighting and angry and Patriotic, but I am not sure he looked presidential in this debate.


I still have three weeks to make up my mind. Should be an interesting run.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8840 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2299 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
Another clear win for Obama --- McCain was so busy pandering to the core of his republican base that he probably lost even more of the swing vote tonight. The effect should be noticeable in the next polls.

Not too sure. He basically confirmed that his policies are socialist, and unapologetically so. We will see if that is what the American people want.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2289 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
Not too sure. He basically confirmed that his policies are socialist, and unapologetically so. We will see if that is what the American people want.

When looking at the Bush administration having caused and now overseeing the biggest honking nationalization program probably since the soviet October Revolution and at the same time the lack of health coverage amounting to an acute crisis, such feeble stereotypes look decidedly pale by comparison.

Yes, they will still work on the shrinking core of the republican base, but that's not how elections can be won.


User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3982 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2270 times:

McCain looked like he was struggling when asked why would his VP candidate would make a good president. He gave a very vague answer. All he basically said about her was she is a roll model for women and a reformer.


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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2261 times:

McCain also sounded like a jerk with his reply on Obama being against partial birth abortions except for cases of the mother's health. He puts down "the mother's health" saying it's a talking point by the "pro-abortion crowd." Hey McCain, you are not a woman nor a doctor; who are you to tell people that a "mothers' health" is political. There are definitely life or death emergencies in a pregnancy where termination is the best (unfortunately) option.


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2258 times:

Obama again showed his marxist ways.

He is a left wing nutjob who will hurt this countries in ways that we can't imagin.

He told the same lies...just on a different day.



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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2215 times:



Quoting L-188 (Reply 14):
He is a left wing nutjob who will hurt this countries in ways that we can't imagin.

He told the same lies...just on a different day.

And McCain is still a right-wing nutjob who will also hurt this country in ways that we can't imagine.

He also told the same lies, just on a different day.

... It's all politics, neither one of them is speaking the gospel truth.



I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8840 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2188 times:



Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 13):
McCain also sounded like a jerk with his reply on Obama being against partial birth abortions except for cases of the mother's health. He puts down "the mother's health" saying it's a talking point by the "pro-abortion crowd."

He should have been more specific. Wherever concern for the "mothers' health" is required for, say, late term abortions, that includes mental health and basically doctors would perform the abortion if the woman basically said that she would be upset if the baby was born.

I also think their should be allowances for the mothers' health, but REAL health - i.e. if she has the baby she might die or never walk again.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 11):
When looking at the Bush administration having caused and now overseeing the biggest honking nationalization program probably since the soviet October Revolution

We can only hope that these events are as temporary as they promise. I'm sure I like them less than you do.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 11):
and at the same time the lack of health coverage amounting to an acute crisis

This is something that McCain has absolutely correct, but he did not give the reasons for it (iI'm not even sure he thinks this way, but maybe so). It is absolutely VITAL that we disassociate health care from employers. I repeat - you should not be tied to any health insurance that is tied to an employer. People change jobs, sometimes rarely, sometimes once a year or more. Pick your own health insurance company and stick to it even as you go from job to job. It's more efficient for everyone. Obama wants to do the exact reverse. Dumb.

And by the way, he greatly exaggurates the cost of health care, from what I can see. Where I get my insurance from, full coverage costs around $4000 per year for a single person up to about $7,000 per year for an entire family with children. I don't know who pays his figure of $12,000.



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

Hesitated to contribute because threads like this tend to get axed within a few hours and replaced by an 'official' one. Can I suggest to the Mods that they just make this one 'official' instead? Or, failing that, transfer the entries?

Two snap polls give the debate to Obam by a two-to-one margin:-

"A CBS poll found that 53 per cent of uncommitted voters saw Senator Obama as a winner against 22 per cent who thought Senator McCain won. Twenty-four per cent saw the debate as a draw.

"According to the CBS poll, before the debate 54 per cent thought Senator Obama shared their values but that percentage rose to 63 per cent after the debate. For Senator McCain, 53 per cent thought he shared their values before the debate, and 56 per cent thought so afterwards.

"CNN also released snap polls following the debate and it indicated 58 per cent of voters saw the Democrat the winner over 31 per cent for Senator McCain.

"It also found that Senator Obama's favourability ratings increased to 66 per cent from 63 while Senator McCain's dropped to 33 from 35. Some 66 per cent said Senator Obama presented ideas more clearly over just 25 for Senator McCain. On likeability, Senator Obama won easily at 70 to 22."

Also, independent voters, critical to the election result, broke 57 to 31 to Senator Obama in the CNN poll.


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...story/0,25197,24506160-601,00.html

Funny - I thought myself that McCain didn't do that badly - or alternatively that Obama didn't do that well. But then I usually feel that way about debates.

Possibly the key is 'likeability.' McCain certainly doesn't come across as any sort of 'nice guy.'

[Edited 2008-10-15 23:26:04]


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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

McCain is too old to be running for President. Seriously. It was very evident in this debate.
He looked angry, those gritty teeth, pointing finger, smirking face and fiery "yes" shows he is out of touch with reality and just wants to win the election at any cost. Even Joe the plumber should be afraid.

Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 12):
All he basically said about her was she is a roll model for women and a reformer.

Haven't you guys heard this one?

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=D2MKG2hFWao&feature=related

My favourite lyrics:

Like a mama bear in Idaho / She'll protect your family's condition / If you mess with her cubs / She's gonna take off the gloves / It's an American female tradition

Who knew bears in Idaho wore gloves? And what a shame...giving the poor bears a bad name, what did they ever do to deserve this?



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2134 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
Obama



Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
non-partisan

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
Another clear win for Obama

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Quoting Klaus (Reply 11):
When looking at the Bush administration having caused and now overseeing the biggest honking nationalization program probably since the soviet October Revolution and at the same time the lack of health coverage amounting to an acute crisis, such feeble stereotypes look decidedly pale by comparison.

Read your history. First, Bush didn't cause the economic crisis, it began under Carter, expanded under the Democratic Congresses and Clinton. The Republicans and Bush have been giving warnings about it since 2001.

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 13):
McCain also sounded like a jerk with his reply on Obama being against partial birth abortions except for cases of the mother's health. He puts down "the mother's health" saying it's a talking point by the "pro-abortion crowd."

So, you want to smash babies who can survive outside the womb? That is how they complete partial birth abortions.

Planned Parenthood says all health issues for women are threats to the survival of women if they are pregnant, including her pregnancy itself.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 17):
"It also found that Senator Obama's favourability ratings increased to 66 per cent from 63 while Senator McCain's dropped to 33 from 35. Some 66 per cent said Senator Obama presented ideas more clearly over just 25 for Senator McCain. On likeability, Senator Obama won easily at 70 to 22."

Do you want a POTUS who makes you feel good, or one who gets the job done?

You quoted a CNN poll. FoxNews says their poll shows McCain at 87%, to Obama at 12%.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 19):
McCain is too old to be running for President.

Winston Churchill was 66 when he became the British PM in 1941. When he became the PM again in 1951, he was 76. No, McCain is not too old


User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2589 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

McCain looked to be the total douchebag that he tries so hard not to be...it just can't help but come thru in his body language, his smirks and his snide comments. I gotta give credit to Obama, he didn't fall for that nonsense.

Overall, Obama just looks so darned Presidential....McCain? Not so much.


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 40
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

fake smile, rolling eyes, sticking the tongue, sitting extremely upright in the chair like he was holding back from reaching over and hitting Obama, McCain is a very angry man who has no business running a country.

by contrast Obama just sits there and looks unflappable, no aggression, just a courteous smile while McCain digs his own grave. probably not Obama's best debate but all he needed to do with talk about his policy and stay cool.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=dic4oh5M11s



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2103 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 20):

I'm no Obama fan, but I'll be very surprised if he doesn't win this. If the Democrats lose this one..they should quit politics and start selling fish.



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2090 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 20):
You quoted a CNN poll. FoxNews says their poll shows McCain at 87%, to Obama at 12%.

CNN quoted Dems, Reps and independents. Overall, the result was that Obama won. The Fox poll conviently only gives the Reps' opinion.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 14):
Obama again showed his marxist ways.

Gimme a break man. Lenin was marxist. Chavez is marxist. Castro is marxist. Are you seriously throwing Obama on that same heap?

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 20):
Read your history. First, Bush didn't cause the economic crisis, it began under Carter, expanded under the Democratic Congresses and Clinton. The Republicans and Bush have been giving warnings about it since 2001.

How convenient you omit the Reagan and Bush sr presidencies, but include the Dem. presidents. I guess no points for guessing your political colour  Wink



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User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2122 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 20):
Read your history. First, Bush didn't cause the economic crisis, it began under Carter, expanded under the Democratic Congresses and Clinton. The Republicans and Bush have been giving warnings about it since 2001.

More like the Reagan Administration and the wonderful people who brought Greenspan into the chairmanship of the Fed. I believe the big culprit in America's problems are two-fold: deregulation of the banking system and the introduction of these derivative-based creatures such as ABCPs and the like, most of which was off-book. The US Congress wanted more oversight (under CLinton) and Greenspan vociferously argued against it -- successfully. Congress yielded basically because times were good. Now the time has come to pay the price.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 20):
You quoted a CNN poll. FoxNews says their poll shows McCain at 87%, to Obama at 12%.

Perhaps so, but Faux News describes Sean Hannity as a "journalist".  rotfl 



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
25 LTBEWR : It is sad how all these 'debates' have been more smoke than heat and light. We see 20 minutes over the mud slinging of Obama and McCain on each other
26 Post contains links Baroque : You might want to check the increases in indebtedness under various administrations. http://digg.com/political_opinion/US...e_Presidents_Responsible_
27 Dreadnought : Why? I WANT an angry president. I want countries like Iran and North Korea to be very worried about the consequences of pushing him too hard. I want
28 Kappel : What company? I guess you mean country? What consequences of pushing him too hard? War? Another (unneccesary) war?
29 Aaron747 : Independents regarded his education and energy independence plans on pretty favorable terms. Where Obama loses points is on healthcare and his appare
30 Charles79 : It is so appalling to see folks in here immediately go down their partisan view in declaring the winner. Common fellow citizens, don't follow your par
31 NAV20 : Have to pick you up on that, Dreadnought. Neither the United States nor any other country has the military capacity to attack, defeat, and occupy eit
32 Baroque : Humble apologies for only understanding numbers: Dem Presidents Carter ave annual increase 10.9% and Clinton average annual 4.4% Dem average 5.75%. R
33 Post contains images MD80fanatic : All it would take to win this election, in a landslide, is to promise a balanced budget and then deliver (for once). Only spend what we can expect in
34 AirCop : Just a couple of comments from someone that has already voted: No matter what McCain said this debate was won on the reaction shots. Every time Obama
35 Mt99 : How old are you? I What about people with pre-existing conditions? Can someone be dropped like State Farm dropped me (1 speeding ticket (70mph on a 5
36 NAV20 : Fair enough on the face of it, MD80Fanatic. Even a feasible strategy, up to a couple of weeks ago. But not now - not with a repeat of 1929 staring us
37 RJdxer : I did not see the debate last night as I was at work and IAH was buried in weather but I can answer this. Look at the financial situation in the worl
38 Baroque : That is a good point AC, I had thought this but forbore to comment - perhaps all that body language had become OK in the US, however it appeared from
39 Sv7887 : In very simple terms without engaging in partisan talk: If this were an American Football game (apologies to our Soccer fans here) here is what happen
40 Mt99 : In a 2 years period. Insured since 1998. Age 31. Single. 2007 Grey Jetta. When it was time to sign up again for the year, i was told i was un insurab
41 Mt99 : Thats because you did not see McCain interrupting like an man at Denny's when the server reaches over for his plate when he is not finished during th
42 MD80fanatic : To stop the bleeding should be the only game in town right now. That is what builds real confidence in the eyes of investors, that we -can- live with
43 NAV20 : Couldn't agree more. Last April I was on a long drive through Western Australia with my son and his partner. It was their turn to fill the tank on th
44 RJdxer : I have seen that and if you look at Bob Schiffer he goes one way and Sen. McCain starts to go the other way around the table to shake hands, then the
45 Ogre727 : But we CAN imagine. We just have to look at the current government to figure this one out.
46 Aaron747 : I'd say that aptly characterizes the garbage that we saw today, yet again.
47 Mt99 : What if you break your foot while rock climbing..it your choice to do so...
48 NAV20 : I'm afraid that that underlines the fact that McCain was very seriously injured in that crash in Vietnam, and also (unavoidably) mentally scarred by
49 Post contains links StuckInCA : http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml You're fortunate. The information is available if you look for it and I've provided links in more than one threa
50 Luv2fly : I watched it as much as I could. A whole lot of it was a rehash of the prior debates. I was expecting something different to come out of the last deba
51 Aaron747 : That aspect of his performance wasn't lost on most independent voters. He had some good chances to do so (like the flash of brilliance on energy inde
52 Mir : I know who will be featured prominently on The Daily Show tomorrow. Actually, I think he's pretty serious. It escapes me as to why, though. To say th
53 RJdxer : It's your choice to go rock climbing which under any definition is a risky business. If you are going to do those types of activities (rock climbing,
54 Mir : It was absolutely his best line of the debate, maybe even the best line of his campaign. But you are right that it has come way too late. -Mir
55 11Bravo : I've asked my health insurance company about the issue of rock climbing and mountaineering in the past. Both of the agents I asked said something to
56 Luv2fly : Also I do not think it helped when asked about the VP's ability to step in, in the unlikely event, McCain only gave brief and vague replies about Pali
57 MD80fanatic : Let's be painfully honest, shall we? The biggest problem with healthcare is the triangular scam of physician/insurance/pharma. Since insurance compan
58 Superfly : Damn that was hilarious! Oh boy! I was thinking the same. He is catering to his base. No rational minded person or doctor would write "the mother's h
59 Baroque : There would have been a comeback had Obama been desperate - which he clearly was not and never looked like being. "Senator, if you think your policie
60 Dragon-wings : Just thinking that Sarah Palin could become President one day if Mcain wins scares me!
61 DocLightning : Um... no they don't. This is why so many hospitals are having trouble staying afloat. The first problem is that a good portion of a given hospital's
62 StuckInCA : You mean examples like mine? When after having abdominal pain for over 3 months, losing 20% of my body weight (wasn't overweight to begin with) and e
63 AGM100 : Dont be Scared , I wont be scared if Sen Obama wins. Disappointed that my side lost and my issues are not popular ... but not scared. Why are you SCA
65 Luv2fly : Lets see she abused her power in office. She is totally inept. She wants to take away choice from woman when it comes to abortion. She can not name a
66 Dragon-wings : Ok scared may not of been the right word, worried maybe? I mean Palin has said she has foreign policy experience because Alaska is close to Russia (g
67 Luv2fly : Is that photo proof that McCain is now desperate for the gay vote?
68 MD80fanatic : Well I do pay $3600 per year for health insurance I do not use.....and thus am entitled to an opinion. If I had all I have paid into insurance....I c
69 MD80fanatic : Lets see she abused her power in office. Who hasn't? She is totally inept. Proof? She wants to take away choice from woman when it comes to abortion.
70 ER757 : I also noticed he says "you know" a lot in the middle of his sentences. I never picked up on that before, it's not something I expected from someone
71 AGM100 : Alright , I guess that fair. But dont you think that you may be overstating the concern just a bit .. I mean she will only be the VP. And even if she
72 AirCop : Just that you know; Congress passed the Federal Airborne Hunting Act of 1972, which made it illegal for hunters to shoot animals from a plane or heli
73 Luv2fly : Well I am sure Todd will not be able to hold meetings in her office, though who knows.
74 Aaron747 : If she were totally inept, she'd be unable to complete a phone call, much less handle a state budget. Stupid wording. What does Sarah Palin, who has
75 AirCop : Heck, she might not even qualify for a security clearance; based on the fact that her husband is a member of a group that basically wants to overthro
76 AustinAllison : How i felt.......... Coming from a conservative, McCain really hit this one out of the park. -He showed that he is more qualified by not pleasing a ce
77 Aaron747 : Again kid, generally speaking, it's easier to accept a person's opinion when they don't include sanity-challenging statements like that. Naturally, b
78 StuckInCA : But he would be taking in as much income tax as we are now. Ohhh. Sigh. I guess we're done here.
79 MD80fanatic : Oh gawd......I suppose she should turn herself in right now. How lame.
80 Post contains links Sv7887 : That's not true..His plan will cost over $3 Trillion Dollars: "But under current law, all the tax cuts expire and the deficit disappears completely.
81 Post contains links RJdxer : ??? Lets see some proof. Senator McCain was born into a military family and so moved around as a child, was in the navy as an aviator for 10 years wh
82 AirCop : So then Ronald Reagan was an idiot..
83 Post contains links StuckInCA : Hmm. Maybe. Maybe not. What about McCain's plan and it's costs? tax proposals would reduce tax revenues by an estimated $4.2 trillion (McCain) and $2
84 Post contains links Luv2fly : But with less than three weeks to go, CNN's latest poll of polls shows McCain trailing Sen. Barack Obama by 8 points nationwide -- a mid-October defic
85 MD80fanatic : Gallup has Obama at only a 2 point lead amongst likely voters. But of course this isn't a liberal leaning CNN poll. So your "mid-October deficit" poi
86 RJdxer : Only half an idiot since President Ford had assumed the Vice Presidency and then the Presidency without having been elected. But he learned from his
87 Post contains links MD80fanatic : Rush says "Yes, America is a racist nation – but not in the way Democrat presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama and his cohorts Rev. Jeremiah Wright
88 StuckInCA : Uh. Why does anyone listen to this hate-filled drug addict?
89 MD80fanatic : Didn't click the link, did you? You will wish you had retracted that claim, I promise. Hurry I believe you have 30 minutes to edit.
90 StuckInCA : LMAO. You got me. I didn't click on it because I've heard enough of Limbaugh for this lifetime. I never needed to hear anything from this piece of wo
91 MD80fanatic : You and me both.
92 Post contains links 11Bravo : I call the BS flag on you. As usual you are presenting things as you would like them to be, not as they actually are, and you are doing so without an
93 Baroque : Mmm, er no I won't say it! But tempting you know, tempting.
94 Aaron747 : You were on a great track there until you lumped an a.net poster in with Limbaugh and Faux News. Just stick to the arguments - you really had a slam
95 Dreadnought : Kinda shows that they weren't really independants, or are not informed. It has been widely reported that Polosi and Ried plan on reconvening Congress
96 NAV20 : Must admit that, Dreadnought, that, to my shame, when travelling in the USA I tend to follow the principle of 'When in Rome, do as the Romans do.' I
97 Post contains links MD80fanatic : I am just relaying to you what is the headline on this site..... http://www.drudgereport.com GALLUP's 'traditional' likely voter model shows Obama wi
98 MD80fanatic : Exactly, I was just throwing something I saw out there.....just another datapoint indicating it's too early for Michelle to be measuring for new drap
99 Post contains links NAV20 : Of course it is, MD80fanatic. But personally, knowing the United States well, and possibly even understanifding it's political system to an extent -
100 Mt99 : Thats good for the Obama campaign. It will keep the pressure up show the supporters that they need to go out and vote
101 Post contains links MD80fanatic : I guess all the advance partying at the Obama campaign might hinge on the results of the "tape"....... http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI
102 NAV20 : Oh well - guess my warning came too late. Not the first time, and probably not the last........except that I'm not getting any younger........
103 Sv7887 : assuming that tape is true, (and I have my doubts) it is going to create a problem. referring to American "White" racists isn't exactly politically c
104 Luv2fly : I'll second that. She always appears very calm, collected and speaks her thoughts the same.
105 RJdxer : Yep, those students that illegally voted in Ohio at their colleges need to go back to their homes and vote again.
106 SKYSERVICE_330 : An interesting point from Eugene Robinson, from the Washington Post Writers Group:
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