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User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

The new Toyota Prius hybrid is scheduled to be built at Toyota's new assembly plant, now under construction in Mississippi.

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2010 Toyota Prius


The next-generation 2010 Prius will be larger sized from the current car and is rumored to get a new, 1.8-liter engine with with a combined horsepower (engine and electric motor) of at least 150hp - up from 110 horsepower in the current version - while marginally increasing fuel economy from the current Prius' 48 city/45 highway EPA numbers.

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2010 Toyota Prius interior


Toyota estimates they will build 480,000 Prius' annually worldwide when the next version is released. Toyota is also building two new battery plants in Japan with partner Panasonic with the expectation that these new plants will help Toyota to keep up with the growing demand for hybrid automobiles.

Source: http://www.motortrend.com/future/spi...010_toyota_prius_spycam/index.html

The styling is somewhat sleeker that the current Prius, through still easily recognized as a Prius. The larger size should increase rear seat and cargo space. It's not an exciting car IMHO, but it is highly efficient. I can only hope that the new model's handling has sharper reflexs than the current version. Your thoughts please, fellow hybrid-motorheads?


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19552 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1953 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
The styling is somewhat sleeker that the current Prius, through still easily recognized as a Prius. The larger size should increase rear seat and cargo space. It's not an exciting car IMHO, but it is highly efficient. I can only hope that the new model's handling has sharper reflexs than the current version. Your thoughts please, fellow hybrid-motorheads?

I just got my '09 6 days ago. I love it. Yeah, it could use a bit more power and I do like the newer styling, but I'm not so blown away by the difference that I'm regretting my purchase.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21562 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

The interior is nice, but that front end is a serious step backwards.  yuck 

Part of what makes a Prius a Prius is that it's distinguishable from any other car in Toyota's product line. If you buy a Ford Escape Hybrid, or a Honda Civic Hybrid, or even a Toyota Camry Hybrid, it's not immediately identifiable as a hybrid. A Prius is. If you want to make that statement that you're all about living green, it's obvious which one you should get (which could explain why the other hybrids on the market aren't doing that well). The front end of this one looks like a lot of other Toyota cars. And while that's not a bad thing in itself, it does work against the Prius' main selling point.

-Mir



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1804 times:

Yawn.

Toyota, be reasonable and stop using those ridiculous center-mounted gauges.


User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

Another boring looking Toyota with a whopping 150 HP wow.

Get a Jetta TDI and call it a day. I drove one yesterday at VW and it's an awesome car:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4235586.html


User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1776 times:



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 4):
Get a Jetta TDI and call it a day. I drove one yesterday at VW and it's an awesome car:

Too bad most the people who drive the TDI in America today are too afraid to punch the gas and GO off a stoplight that you have to be idling and hitting your brakes behind them.



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1764 times:
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Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 4):
Get a Jetta TDI and call it a day

I have to agree on the turbodiesel. I would never swop my 320d for one of these things.



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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2432 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1746 times:

If you like it, you like it. If you don't, you don't. That's what's great people, you aren't forced to buy what you don't want.


Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talkin'!
User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1740 times:



Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 7):
If you like it, you like it. If you don't, you don't. That's what's great people, you aren't forced to buy what you don't want.

Tell that to the politicians who pushed CAFE on the automakers and single handedly killed off all Rear Wheel Drive development at GM...

I'm sure Superfly will chime in, but a Buick Lesabre with a 3800 V-6 can approach 30 MPG in highway driving...Actually a good chunk of the GM fleet gets close to 30 MPG on the highway but they get a bad rap for their SUVs.

Hybrids are one of many ways to get good MPG. Given the markup you pay on these cars, the complexity, maintenance, pollution from battery production and disposal, and safety factors they aren't the sole solution.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1719 times:



Quoting MD-90 (Reply 3):
Toyota, be reasonable and stop using those ridiculous center-mounted gauges.

Yes. God, so stupid. I cant see how thats safe. Looking to the right to check your gauges.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 4):
Get a Jetta TDI and call it a day. I drove one yesterday at VW and it's an awesome car:

Isnt it? I drove one when the demos first got here and was THISCLOSE to leasing one.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 8):
I'm sure Superfly will chime in, but a Buick Lesabre with a 3800 V-6 can approach 30 MPG in highway

Mom used to have a '96 bonneville with the '3800 that got 31mpg on the highway. My 3100 Lumina got 30 as well. and low 20's in the city. Im actually looking at getting rid of my jetta for an impala for just this reason.



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 968 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1709 times:



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 4):
Another boring looking Toyota with a whopping 150 HP wow.

Get a Jetta TDI and call it a day. I drove one yesterday at VW and it's an awesome car:

I guess you define an "awesome car" as a boring-looking VW with a whopping 140 HP?  rotfl 


User currently offlineTylerDurden From United States of America, joined May 2008, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1705 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
The styling is somewhat sleeker that the current Prius, through still easily recognized as a Prius

It is fugly.
Only thing worse is the current model.
Where are the solar panels to run the a/c (wasn't that the speculation)?

I'd rather have half the mileage and twice the car....


User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1705 times:



Quote:
Another boring looking Toyota with a whopping 150 HP wow.

I'm with ya on that. Toyota makes some damn reliable vehicles though. The only current Toyota in production I would have is the Tundra. Everything else is dull.

The Prius has no style, and no power. It's the biggest joke on the road. I know it gets awesome MPG but I would rather pay more for gas and drive something I like.

DISCLAIMER: If you want to own a Prius, that is fine and I hope you enjoy it. I have nothing against Prius owners.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1704 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 9):
Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 4):
Get a Jetta TDI and call it a day. I drove one yesterday at VW and it's an awesome car:

Isnt it? I drove one when the demos first got here and was THISCLOSE to leasing one.

They have a race version of it here at VW Headquarters and man this thing is crazy!!! It's so cool. Everyone keeps gawking at them all over DC b/c VW is giving them out as demos.

What was the lease quote on a TDI? I know they are in high demand so VW can get whatever they want for it.

It's such a practical car and a great interior for the money. The fit and finish is really good. They had a Scriocco here yesterday and that was really cool looking. They wouldn't let us drive it though.

I hear you on the 3800's. They are solid engines and I have fond memories of them. I get tired of the insane cost of scheduled maintenance on my car. Just a solid torquey engine that you could get fixed anywhere. I can't imagine taking a Prius to a typical gas station and having them work on it. Toyota shop labor is pretty pricey these days too...


User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1702 times:



Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 10):
Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 4):
Another boring looking Toyota with a whopping 150 HP wow.

Get a Jetta TDI and call it a day. I drove one yesterday at VW and it's an awesome car:

I guess you define an "awesome car" as a boring-looking VW with a whopping 140 HP?

Given the safety, cabin fit and finish, ride and handling for a pretty value price I'd say it's awesome. It's a diesel so it has solid low end torque which for most people is all that matters.

What can you get for $22K these days? Not much if you're looking for something really different. The Prius isn't cheap either.


User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1678 times:



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 8):
Tell that to the politicians who pushed CAFE on the automakers and single handedly killed off all Rear Wheel Drive development at GM...

The difference is fuel efficiency effects everyone, not just the driver of the car.



"Reality is wrong, dreams are for real." -Tupac
User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1668 times:



Quoting Bok269 (Reply 15):

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 8):
Tell that to the politicians who pushed CAFE on the automakers and single handedly killed off all Rear Wheel Drive development at GM...

The difference is fuel efficiency effects everyone, not just the driver of the car.

Sure but V-8's can be efficient. It depends on the weight of the car. My six cylinder Benz gets 27 MPG on the highway and it's AWD with a 5 speed automatic. The Rear Wheel 7 spd automatic gets closer to 30. Not bad for a 3800 lb car.

The E Class diesel does even better. But for many years it wasn't allowed to be sold in 5 states because of these inane emissions rules, but you could get a 20 yr old Diesel benz...


User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2432 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1667 times:



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 8):
pollution from battery production and disposal

Do the research - this has been bebunked as mountain to mole hill level.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 8):
Actually a good chunk of the GM fleet gets close to 30 MPG on the highway

My folks have the last model Cadillac Fleetwood Brogham made, nearly identical to this one..


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and they consistently get in the upper 20's with this tank. Pisses me off sometimes.  laughing 



Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talkin'!
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19552 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1667 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
If you buy a Ford Escape Hybrid, or a Honda Civic Hybrid, or even a Toyota Camry Hybrid, it's not immediately identifiable as a hybrid. A Prius is. If you want to make that statement that you're all about living green, it's obvious which one you should get (which could explain why the other hybrids on the market aren't doing that well).

Tell you why I bought mine:
*The Escape is simply too much car for my day-to-day needs. I can rent an SUV when I need an SUV (going skiing up at Tahoe or something).
*The Camry doesn't have the mileage of the Prius and costs more. It's also quite large.

As for the Civic: One day I rented one from Zipcars and took my nephews, visiting from Spain, on a tour around San Francisco. Well, you may have heard of Lombard St., which is billed as "the crookedest street in the world." (In fact, Vermont St., also in SF, is probably more crooked.)

The approach to Lombard St. is up a very steep hill and there's always a long line of cars waiting to drive down it because it's such a tourist attraction. Well, we got halfway up the steep hill in that Civic, the line started to move, I released the brake and pressed the gas. We went backwards. So now I completely floored the gas. The "Battery" indicator read "empty" and the motor was doing everything it could. At this point I asked my nephews (16 and 18) to get out of the car to lighten the load. So they got out and I tried again. The only thing different about this attempt was that I now smelled something vaguely burnt coming from the engine compartment.

So I stopped the car and had them push it into a parking spot, then we went back down the hill and up the adjacent street.

I wrote a letter to Honda explaining that I wanted them to know why they had lost my order. I got a phone call thanking me for my feedback and telling me that they were actually aware of this problem and were hoping to have it fixed by model year 2010.

I could care less if my car looks like a 1960's gas guzzler. I could care less what others think I'm driving.


User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1667 times:



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 16):
Sure but V-8's can be efficient. It depends on the weight of the car. My six cylinder Benz gets 27 MPG on the highway and it's AWD with a 5 speed automatic. The Rear Wheel 7 spd automatic gets closer to 30. Not bad for a 3800 lb car.

But then your point is moot because CAFE favors cars that are efficient.



"Reality is wrong, dreams are for real." -Tupac
User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1655 times:



Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 17):

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 8):
pollution from battery production and disposal

Do the research - this has been bebunked as mountain to mole hill level.

Not really...Battery production isn't exactly environmentally friendly and IS energy intensive. Then consider what source of power that battery plant uses? Then add the extra electronics and recycling issues. That CNW study you're referring to compared a Hummer to a Prius. We're talking about a Jetta TDI versus a Prius.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19552 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1641 times:



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 20):
Not really...Battery production isn't exactly environmentally friendly and IS energy intensive.

Yes, but that battery is guaranteed for 10 years, which means it will probably last 20.

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 3):
Toyota, be reasonable and stop using those ridiculous center-mounted gauges.

My 2009 Prius has the instrument panel right in front of the driver. It's set way forward so that your eyes don't have to re-focus as much when you check your speed, but it's not in the center anymore.


User currently offlineTylerDurden From United States of America, joined May 2008, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1641 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
I could care less if my car looks like a 1960's gas guzzler. I could care less what others think I'm driving.

Well, that's pretty clear by your choice!
 Smile
Just kidding....as I stated in another post...for some, few purchases are as personal as which vehicle they buy. There is something for everyone.

Happy Motoring.


User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2432 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1641 times:



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 20):

Gotcha. I referred to that report since a lot of people making that point see the Prius as the villain wen it comes to battery impact on the environment. Guess they forget what powers their laptops and cell phones.

Regards.



Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talkin'!
User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1633 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):


Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 20):
Not really...Battery production isn't exactly environmentally friendly and IS energy intensive.

Yes, but that battery is guaranteed for 10 years, which means it will probably last 20.

Not in today's world of planned obsolescence it won't. Toyota loses a lot of money on each Prius they sell. The main source of income is Service. Lexus/Toyota dealers are amongst the most profitable in the industry, and Service departments generate the bulk of that revenue.

I'm sure it will easily last the duration of the warranty however. Toyota has a lot running on this car, so I am sure it is overbuilt like their initial Lexuses and other cars were.

You would be surprised the amount of issues they are having elsewhere though. The brass in Japan is worried that they may be growing too quickly for their own good. They've had some embarrassing issues with their cars in the last few years which required recalls.


25 PC12Fan : I can believe losing a little on each, but i can't see any company losing "a lot" of money per unit and keeping it in the inventory. As is with a lot
26 Post contains links Sv7887 : Toyota has a knack for being willing to take heavy losses to get a foothold in the industry. They have the cash to do it. In 1989 when they launched
27 Post contains images Cadet57 : I *think* the number we threw around was 300 +/- I have one at work, its a bit floaty.... I hear ya. What people forget is the car may "only" have 14
28 DocLightning : That's interesting. For a five-year service plan, I paid $1,500. That's every oil change, brake change, tire rotation for 5 years or 30,000 miles. Th
29 Post contains links FLY2HMO : Diesel's aren't about HP their all about TORQUE. The Jetta has 236lbs of it. That's a LOT. The TDI really pulls. And they are capable of getting 50mp
30 Springbok747 : It's still an ugly Prius. Most people who drive Hybrids here (we only have two - the Honda Civic hybrid and the Prius) seem to think they're above the
31 Delta767300ER : LMAO! Here in Orlando, most Prius' I see are driven by old people. I have seen a few people thinking they are Godlike though. I blow by them in my Ca
32 Cadet57 : I love rumbling up next to them in our diesel F-250 and blow their smug tree hugging ass off the line.
33 PC12Fan : I own a 2004 Prius and and happy to say I do not fit in this category. Like you said, not all Prius owners act like this. I even got into it on a for
34 Post contains links Sv7887 : It's not clear what's going on. It's plausible that they were losing money in the beginning and likely are breaking even now. Remember one has to fac
35 MCOflyer : I would buy one if the replacement battery cost wasn't so high. However, a diesel TDI is on my list of cars to look at for my next. Like Doc, I could
36 StasisLAX : A friend of mine calls the Prius the "Toyota Pious" because of many owner's holier than thou attitude.
37 MD-90 : Doubtful. Toyota hasn't discovered any revolutionary battery technology yet. My lith-ion battery in my laptop doesn't even last three years...they're
38 Lowrider : It makes me think of the head of some new sand wedge. Probably would be a good second, commuter car, but if I can have only one car that won't be it.
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