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User currently offlineSpeedBirdA380 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 539 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2917 times:

Heres the story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7681914.stm

Is this offensive to peoples religious views?

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User currently offlineJamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

I don't see why it should be any more offensive than a sign telling me to "be prepared to meet thy Maker!" Nevertheless, I wouldn't be surprised if something like this generated an uproar.

User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

I love this quote: " Bendy-buses, like atheism, are a danger to the public at large"  rotfl 


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User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2832 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 2):
I love this quote: " Bendy-buses, like atheism, are a danger to the public at large"

Coupled with the statement "People don't like being preached at" from a guy from Christian Voice. Er, isn't that what the church does? Preach? Big grin

Andy  old 



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2815 times:

I believe this is offensive to some people.

Can you imagine a sign saying "There is No Allah" on city busses?
I bet you the Muslims would be offended.

The same if you posted "There is No Vishnu". Then the Hindus would be offended.



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2780 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 4):
I believe this is offensive to some people.

Can you imagine a sign saying "There is No Allah" on city busses?
I bet you the Muslims would be offended.

The same if you posted "There is No Vishnu". Then the Hindus would be offended.

To me, the majority of the ideas shoved down our throats from most religions offend me. Religion has the absolute right not to be offended and seems to think it deserves respect automatically.

I don't care that you're offended and there's no freedom from offence in law.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2758 times:



Quoting 777236ER (Reply 5):
I don't care that you're offended and there's no freedom from offence in law.

I never said I was the one to be offended. I said I believe this will be offensive to some people.
The word God is generic. If you replace the word God by Allah it will start a feud. Some believers do not like it that we play around with their religion. Think of the Danish cartoons.



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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10037 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2751 times:
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Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 2):
I love this quote: " Bendy-buses, like atheism, are a danger to the public at large"

I can just see some pastor at their next sermon:

"Ride a bendy-bus and you will be headed straight to eternal damnation!"



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21642 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2747 times:



Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Thread starter):
Is this offensive to peoples religious views?

Probably. But if it's being paid for with private money, I don't see the problem.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2740 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
I said I believe this will be offensive to some people.

Of course it will be offensive to some people. Even the mention of religion causes offence to some people. However, this all comes back to the idea that it's apparently OK to advertise any religion but it's not OK to advertise a lack of religion.

What surprises me is that anyone feels the need to advertise atheism/agnosticism in an increasingly agnostic society.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19734 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

I mean, it's equally offensive to me when a religion comes down on me with an advert or approach that is just as heavy-handed or even moreso.

But the fact remains that either way, dogma, even if it's "atheist dogma" is the enemy of humanity.

And I will point out that while the people in BHA may all be atheists, BHA is not an atheist organization. The reason is that atheism is a lack of a belief and thus doesn't require any organization to support itself.


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2686 times:



Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Thread starter):
Is this offensive to peoples religious views?

Not to mine. All I would ask is that I have the same right to buy advertising for pro-Christianity messages. No one has the right no not be offended.



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User currently offlineIH8BY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1142 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

I'm afraid this bunch annoy me at least as much as the most irritating of the evangelical Christians. Slogans and adverts for either side (Dawkins, despite having issues with all religion, is particularly keen on targeting Christians) don't seem to make me feel positively about either point of view.


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User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1875 posts, RR: 42
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2658 times:
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I don't think this should be any more offensive then huge JESUS SAVES signs, or stories that you will burn in hell if you do not believe in god.


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User currently offlineDavehammer From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

They can put whatever they like on the buses. If they pay for the space and it doesn't break any laws then who cares. Having said that I'm not a religious man by any stretch but I find Dawkins particularly irritating in his approach.

User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

I think it's not a good idea. Not the "There's probably no God" part, but the "Now go on and enjoy your lives"

It almost is sending the message that people shouldn't worry about behaving and just should be enjoying themselves at all costs...

Look, I'm not saying Atheists lack morality (I'm an Atheist). I'm saying the message on the bus basically could be perceived as saying that people should abandon their beliefs and simply focus on enjoying themselves at any cost (even if it is not good for the public good).


I personally think that secularism should be advanced through education and critical thinking -- religion, both intensity and numbers of believers are fading off at an amazing rate of speed, and largely for these reasons.

And regardless of whether a person wants to believe in no god, twenty gods, or a hundred gods, they should ALWAYS exercize morality and ethics. I'm not saying people shouldn't have fun... As a rule my attitude regarding fun is so long as it does not hurt anybody. However if it hurts people, that is not a good thing.


User currently offlineGlid4500 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 587 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2537 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 2):
" Bendy-buses, like atheism, are a danger to the public at large"

Articulated Buses ( aka Bendy ) are a lot safer than the millions of other motorists I share the road with. I'm fortunate enough to drive them twice a week .. wish it was everyday  Smile



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User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1952 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2533 times:



Quoting IH8BY (Reply 12):
I'm afraid this bunch annoy me at least as much as the most irritating of the evangelical Christians. Slogans and adverts for either side (Dawkins, despite having issues with all religion, is particularly keen on targeting Christians) don't seem to make me feel positively about either point of view.

Agreed. I have great respect for Dawkins's work as a scientist, but I find his manner as a proselytizer arrogant. I say this as a skeptic, as someone who agrees with most of his beliefs. In other words, I think the idea of lumping all religious people into one mold as the "unthinking masses" is ridiculous and intellectually as clumsy as some of the specious arguments offered by religions themselves.

To put it another way: if I had 72,000 pounds (or whatever the budget is to run these posters from the BHA together with Dawkins' matching), I'd throw it at real education about the scientific method, how it differs from faith, etc. etc. rather than a soundbite that is calculated to do nothing but 1.) preach to the choir (perhaps a poor choice of expression here!) and 2.) deliberately offend some Chirstians, Muslims, etc., without offering any constructive counterargument.



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User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2522 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 4):
Can you imagine a sign saying "There is No Allah" on city busses?
I bet you the Muslims would be offended.

Considering the fuss some of them kick every time we try to bring some sort of humorous perspective into religion (e.g. the Muhammad cartoons), I guess anything short of everyone converting to Islam is considered offensive.  Smile

Quoting Glid4500 (Reply 16):
Articulated Buses ( aka Bendy ) are a lot safer than the millions of other motorists I share the road with. I'm fortunate enough to drive them twice a week .. wish it was everyday

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I wholeheartedly second your statement.


User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

I think DocLightning is right regarding this approach being dogmatic, and dogma being dangerous to mankind...


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User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1083 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2422 times:
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I like it, It's fun and positive. Hope they bring it to Toronto. Big grin


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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2422 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 4):

It would not be offensive to me, at all. Funny and desperate maybe.

I see it like this: The hardest people try to prove that God doesn't exist, the more it proves God is real.


User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

DocLightning,

Generally the observation I've made is that the more religious the society, the more bitter, and disgruntled the atheists are; The more atheistic the society is, the more bitter and disgruntled the religious people are.


Blackbird


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3771 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2440 times:



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 15):
It almost is sending the message that people shouldn't worry about behaving and just should be enjoying themselves at all costs...

OK, it's this kind of attitude that messes up society. Telling people to enjoy their lives is now a bad thing?

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 21):
The hardest people try to prove that God doesn't exist, the more it proves God is real.

Which in turn is you trying to prove that God IS real, thus proving him unreal, albeit not in a very convincing way. Could you be more fervent in your reasoning? Jeez, I'm not making much sense, am I?

The part in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy where God actually manages to disprove his own existance and subsequently "vanishes in a puff of logic" comes to mind...

Cheers
Mats



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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2431 times:



Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Thread starter):
Is this offensive to peoples religious views?

I really wouldn't be offended, though I do disagree with it (the message, not the posting of said message on buses). I've grown quite a thick skin when it comes to these things. As a Christian, I've been called many things like backward, brainwashed, hate-filled, and so on. I doesn't affect me.


25 Ch1nsAc : I'm bitter for dismissing a completely illogical argument....? *sigh* Look, I'm an atheist and always will be - for the reason that I don't like the w
26 DocLightning : Yeah. Wherever Jerry Falwell went? I want to go to the other place. As far from him as possible. Yeah, thanks. Which handbasket now? That one? OK. Se
27 GDB : The main reason this is being considered, is that some group brought advertising space on London Buses, the quoted we link on the poster led to sites
28 Signol : Trouble is when they're used on the narrow, twisty roads of London, and other British cities, where our roads can't cope with the length... Hench dou
29 SeansasLCY : I hope this goes ahead. In London we had christian bible verus put on buses and trains as adverts telling us what god says we should do so why can't a
30 Kent350787 : I have no problem with these ads - but then I don't believe in a god or gods. Yes, they may offend some people, but only in the same way religious dog
31 Allrite : I saw a sign outside a church yesterday as I walked to work. It said "Don't leave your brain at the door." I felt an urge to add to the sign: "Bring i
32 BA : The word Allah is also generic. It's just the Arabic translation of the word God so it's not specific to Muslims. Arab Christians say Allah just like
33 AerorobNZ : I don't give a fuck. Say what you like - put it on a bus billboard if you like, who gives a damn whether a bunch of hypocrites are offended. With reli
34 Blackbird : Doona, No, enjoying one's life is not bad. So long as enjoying your life does not hurt someone else
35 Doona : So,"There is no God, enjoy your life as long as you don't hurt anybody" would have been better? Is it just me, or do we tend to need more and more in
36 Mason : The only comment I can offer, in an attempt to round-out this interesting discussion, is the following from a well-respected late Christian leader and
37 Kent350787 : No fair - a Christian who isn't outraged by these bus ads!!!
38 DocLightning : No. Some people have tried to. But it is not a religion by definition. And as soon as he says that, the rest of the argument is nonsense.
39 Blackbird : Doona The past 20 years, if anything some people (certainly not all though) have gotten dumber and these people seem to have less and less common sens
40 MIAMIx707 : It was in a joking mood, it helps to have a little sense of humor buddy. And a cargo bay would've been kinda hilarious actually But apparently you th
41 DocLightning : Awww, but why not???
42 PPVRA : I agree that there shouldn't be, but government needs to remain a neutral entity, leaving statements like "no god" to political parties. It's also qu
43 HowSwedeitis : I am utterly confused by this statement... The hardest people try to prove that the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist, the more it proves the fl
44 Blackbird : DocLightning, Because if human beings abandoned ethics, morality, and decency, society would cease to exist. Now, I'm not saying having fun is bad --
45 DocLightning : I was... ...kidding. I am, however, a hedonist. But if you look up what hedonism actually is, you may find that you are, too.
46 Henkybaby : I object. I object to the use of the word 'probably' in the statement. 'There is no God' would be really voicing the point of view of the initiators.
47 Doona : Hey, that's my life philosophy right there... And I'm doing fine... I don't. I get along fine without reminders of things that have no bearing on my
48 DocLightning : They're British. They always understate. It's just one of those British things. Well, unless they're talking about how much beer they can drink. Then
49 Skidmarks : Dream on, Baby Doc, dream on!!! Anyway, about the only person on here who nearly made sense is Henkybaby, and then he only hiccoughed with his use of
50 DocLightning : Not the Chavs. Sorry. The Scotts, maybe (although the alcohol content is a bit higher), but not the chavs.
51 Skidmarks : Please, it's "Scots" - only one t or they'll whine for years!! Andy
52 DocLightning : Neh, they're too "busy" with their sheep to notice.
53 Wingscrubber : I like the little Darwin fish car badges with legs, the parody of the Jesus fish badges, I think that's a more intelligent way to express a counter-ar
54 ExFATboy : Ah, the religious teachings of Jeremy Clarkson - he's been arguing against the bendy-buses (at least for London) for years. Now there's a faith I cou
55 DocLightning : No, nobody is doing that, but they are trying to force kids to pray in public school. Then they want to pass out Bibles (but only Christian ones) on
56 Baroque : Got a point there! Probably both true says he carefully!
57 IH8BY : Love's an interesting thing... I've been told by friends that warning gay people that they are going to go to hell is a real display of love, because
58 DocLightning : "A rose by any other name..." Some have defended killings as acts of love. "I was saving him from what he had become because I loved him." Just becau
59 IH8BY : Oh absolutely, I definitely agree, but I'm just rubbishing the usual explanation Christians I know use for pestering gays before anyone can use it...
60 DocLightning : Ah. Much thanks, then!
61 Doona : So... a little bit of moaning, some nibbling, and privacy? Doesn't sound all bad, does it? Cheers Mats
62 MIAMIx707 : You're telling me that if you didn't trust in science you'd think the air was the Spaguetti Monster too since you can't see it? While I haven't heard
63 Skidmarks : I LIKE the idea of the Spaghetti Monster - I might have to use that one! Andy
64 Gofly : When you get to your age, you'll believe anything... Given that we appear to be attributing the creation of the earth to a moaning, nibbling gay spag
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