MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10864 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2728 times:
Quoting 777236ER (Reply 5): I don't care that you're offended and there's no freedom from offence in law.
I never said I was the one to be offended. I said I believe this will be offensive to some people.
The word God is generic. If you replace the word God by Allah it will start a feud. Some believers do not like it that we play around with their religion. Think of the Danish cartoons.
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
Of course it will be offensive to some people. Even the mention of religion causes offence to some people. However, this all comes back to the idea that it's apparently OK to advertise any religion but it's not OK to advertise a lack of religion.
What surprises me is that anyone feels the need to advertise atheism/agnosticism in an increasingly agnostic society.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19299 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2705 times:
I mean, it's equally offensive to me when a religion comes down on me with an advert or approach that is just as heavy-handed or even moreso.
But the fact remains that either way, dogma, even if it's "atheist dogma" is the enemy of humanity.
And I will point out that while the people in BHA may all be atheists, BHA is not an atheist organization. The reason is that atheism is a lack of a belief and thus doesn't require any organization to support itself.
IH8BY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1141 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2641 times:
I'm afraid this bunch annoy me at least as much as the most irritating of the evangelical Christians. Slogans and adverts for either side (Dawkins, despite having issues with all religion, is particularly keen on targeting Christians) don't seem to make me feel positively about either point of view.
Have you ever felt like you could float into the sky / like the laws of physics simply don't apply?
Davehammer From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2532 times:
They can put whatever they like on the buses. If they pay for the space and it doesn't break any laws then who cares. Having said that I'm not a religious man by any stretch but I find Dawkins particularly irritating in his approach.
Blackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2532 times:
I think it's not a good idea. Not the "There's probably no God" part, but the "Now go on and enjoy your lives"
It almost is sending the message that people shouldn't worry about behaving and just should be enjoying themselves at all costs...
Look, I'm not saying Atheists lack morality (I'm an Atheist). I'm saying the message on the bus basically could be perceived as saying that people should abandon their beliefs and simply focus on enjoying themselves at any cost (even if it is not good for the public good).
I personally think that secularism should be advanced through education and critical thinking -- religion, both intensity and numbers of believers are fading off at an amazing rate of speed, and largely for these reasons.
And regardless of whether a person wants to believe in no god, twenty gods, or a hundred gods, they should ALWAYS exercize morality and ethics. I'm not saying people shouldn't have fun... As a rule my attitude regarding fun is so long as it does not hurt anybody. However if it hurts people, that is not a good thing.
N229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2503 times:
Quoting IH8BY (Reply 12): I'm afraid this bunch annoy me at least as much as the most irritating of the evangelical Christians. Slogans and adverts for either side (Dawkins, despite having issues with all religion, is particularly keen on targeting Christians) don't seem to make me feel positively about either point of view.
Agreed. I have great respect for Dawkins's work as a scientist, but I find his manner as a proselytizer arrogant. I say this as a skeptic, as someone who agrees with most of his beliefs. In other words, I think the idea of lumping all religious people into one mold as the "unthinking masses" is ridiculous and intellectually as clumsy as some of the specious arguments offered by religions themselves.
To put it another way: if I had 72,000 pounds (or whatever the budget is to run these posters from the BHA together with Dawkins' matching), I'd throw it at real education about the scientific method, how it differs from faith, etc. etc. rather than a soundbite that is calculated to do nothing but 1.) preach to the choir (perhaps a poor choice of expression here!) and 2.) deliberately offend some Chirstians, Muslims, etc., without offering any constructive counterargument.
WunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2492 times:
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 4): Can you imagine a sign saying "There is No Allah" on city busses?
I bet you the Muslims would be offended.
Considering the fuss some of them kick every time we try to bring some sort of humorous perspective into religion (e.g. the Muhammad cartoons), I guess anything short of everyone converting to Islam is considered offensive.
Quoting Glid4500 (Reply 16): Articulated Buses ( aka Bendy ) are a lot safer than the millions of other motorists I share the road with. I'm fortunate enough to drive them twice a week .. wish it was everyday
Blackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2443 times:
Generally the observation I've made is that the more religious the society, the more bitter, and disgruntled the atheists are; The more atheistic the society is, the more bitter and disgruntled the religious people are.
I really wouldn't be offended, though I do disagree with it (the message, not the posting of said message on buses). I've grown quite a thick skin when it comes to these things. As a Christian, I've been called many things like backward, brainwashed, hate-filled, and so on. I doesn't affect me.
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: I don't give a fuck. Say what you like - put it on a bus billboard if you like, who gives a damn whether a bunch of hypocrites are offended. With reli
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