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Bloomberg Now To Be Allowed To Run Third Term?  
User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1774 times:

Is this true that Bloomberg won the ability to run a third term?

If so, couldn't this then be used as an excuse for future Presidents to be able to claim they can run as many terms as they want?


Blackbird
BTW: If a president can run as many terms as he/she wants, and can use a diebold like device, they could conceivably stay in power for life.

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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1769 times:



Quoting Blackbird (Thread starter):
Is this true that Bloomberg won the ability to run a third term?

Ah, google to the rescue again! http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...uncil-shoots-bloombergs-term-goal/


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1768 times:



Quoting Blackbird (Thread starter):
If so, couldn't this then be used as an excuse for future Presidents to be able to claim they can run as many terms as they want?

No, because it would take 38 states to repeal the 22nd amendment to the United States Constitution.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 984 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1756 times:



Quoting Blackbird (Thread starter):
BTW: If a president can run as many terms as he/she wants, and can use a diebold like device, they could conceivably stay in power for life.

Good old Blackbird...  Yeah sure


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1749 times:

Yea it was on the 5 o'clock news. I guess the good ol mayor is above democracy at all. Typical elitist. Oh well we will back here talking about it when he tries for a 4th term.

User currently offlineFr8Mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5499 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

Blackbird, read the US Constitution sometime, will you. The 22nd amendment would have to be repealed or amended itself. That procedure is found in Article 5 of the US Constitution. So, in short, if the mayor of New York can convince the New York City Council to allow him to run for a third term, it would have just about zero impact on the term limits imposed on the US presidency.

Quoting Blackbird (Thread starter):
and can use a diebold like device

Go ahead, I feel like being entertained. Fire away with the proof that Diebold rigged the machines.

I'm not a particular fan of no paper trail, and we can work to change that, but right now, I don't think it's an issue.



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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21693 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1694 times:



Quoting Blackbird (Thread starter):
Is this true that Bloomberg won the ability to run a third term?

Yeah. I'm disappointed in him. I think he's a great mayor, but term limits are term limits. Either take it to the people through a referendum or respect the limits that the people set.

It's not like he couldn't advise whoever the next mayor would be.

-Mir



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1687 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
but term limits are term limits. Either take it to the people through a referendum or respect the limits that the people set.

His actions (and the Council) on this is despicable. As a certain General learned in Korea, no one is indispensable.


User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

Mir,

Agreed


Blackbird
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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7534 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1635 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
but term limits are term limits. Either take it to the people through a referendum or respect the limits that the people set.

Well said.

I think Mayor Bloomberg needs to be reminded that had it not been for the current two 4-year term limit; Rudy Guiliani could have very well have campaigned for a 3rd term and won re-election IMHO.

Botton line is that he (Bloomberg) knew very well what the term rules were when he first ran in 2002 that he could only serve up through 2010.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
I guess the good ol mayor is above democracy at all. Typical elitist. Oh well we will back here talking about it when he tries for a 4th term.

IMHO, he's coming close to pulling a Hugo Chavez.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1632 times:



Quoting Blackbird (Thread starter):
Is this true that Bloomberg won the ability to run a third term?

Yes.

Quoting Blackbird (Thread starter):
If so, couldn't this then be used as an excuse for future Presidents to be able to claim they can run as many terms as they want?

Not unless the NYC CIty Council is going to take over the duties of Congress.

Mayor Koch had three terms as Mayor of NYC, he did a heck of a job bringing the City out of the of the 1970s in which the City was nearly bankrupt. Mayor Bloomberg has done a great, not good , great job as Mayor of the City of New York. He is exactly the person to help the city whether this financial crisis, as home to Wall Street the woes of the Financial Community hurts the CIty much more than any other place in the Country. His bank ground make him better suited to navigate the crisis, and to save as many jobs as possible.



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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21693 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1612 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
Mayor Koch had three terms as Mayor of NYC

When Ed Koch ran for a third term, there were no term limits. I don't have as much of a problem with Bloomberg getting a third term as I do with him revoking the term limits that were put in place by referendum without seeking a referendum to do it.

It sets a very dangerous precedent.

-Mir



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1607 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
When Ed Koch ran for a third term, there were no term limits. I don't have as much of a problem with Bloomberg getting a third term as I do with him revoking the term limits that were put in place by referendum without seeking a referendum to do it.

There are extenuating circumstances which have to be considered, besides he did not revoke the term limits the city council amended the City laws. Also he still needs to be reelected by the voters, if the voters are not happy with a third Bloomberg term they can vote against him.

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
It sets a very dangerous precedent.

No because as I understand it the rule change is not permanent, if another Mayor in the Future wanted a third term they could ask the Council to again amend the law to allow them. This City council decision does not automatically guarantee third terms for Politicians.

Third terms are not unusual in New York politics, in fact it's been the norm.

Recent third term Politicians:

Koch administration 1978-1989 (three terms)
Pataki Administration 1995-2006 (three terms)
Cuomo administration 1983-1995 (served three terms, lost bid for fourth term)



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User currently offlineMike89406 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1467 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1525 times:

Man the quality of topics have gone downhill latley what gives?

[Edited 2008-10-28 12:44:52]

User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7534 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1456 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 12):
Recent third term Politicians:

Koch administration 1978-1989 (three terms)

See earlier post:

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
When Ed Koch ran for a third term, there were no term limits.



Quoting STT757 (Reply 12):
Pataki Administration 1995-2006 (three terms)
Cuomo administration 1983-1995 (served three terms, lost bid for fourth term)

Apples and oranges; Pataki & Cuomo both served as Governors for the State of New York NOT Mayor of New York City... two different constitutions here (state vs. city). The term limit rule in question is only directed towards running for Mayor of New York City. IIRC, there are no term limits imposed on running for Governor of New York STATE.



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