B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16574 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2080 times:
I really doubt she will run for presidency once again
RFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6140 posts, RR: 25 Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2082 times:
She will run, and may well win in 2012.
Whomever is elected in 2008 is going to be on the hook for an even worse economic crisis and bad period of time in US citizens.
Both 2008 candidates have promised the public they will fix the economy quickly.
Ain't gonna happen - so 2012 is going to be an open free-for-all with the incumbent president a lame duck whose own party will not support him.
It would be best for Hillary if McCain won in one respect in that she could run against him.
But if McCain wins, a lot of the Democrats will blame the loss on Hillary not doing enough to win the race for Obama.
Okie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2346 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2067 times:
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2063 times:
Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 2):
Whomever is elected in 2008 is going to be on the hook for an even worse economic crisis and bad period of time in US citizens.
Exactly. I've lately contended that whomever loses this round is actually the more fortunate one.
The only thing with a shorter duration than Americans' patience, is their memory-- they'll blame Bush et al for a while, but more than a year or so into the next POTUS' administration, that blame is going to shift. I'm no Greenspan, but I really don't see how any policy implementations can turn this ship back to a late-90s feel in that time span, or even 4 yrs.
FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4003 posts, RR: 6 Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2024 times:
Quoting United Airline (Reply 6): If Obama wins is there a chance that Hillary Clinton will run in 2012? Can she?
Technically yes, although it would split the party significantly and most likely lead to a loss for the dems.
Quoting United Airline (Reply 6): If Obama wins is there a chance that Hillary Clinton will run in 2012? Can she?
No, no and no.
It's rare for a sitting President to be challenged in their parties Primary when running for a 2nd. term. In 2016, she will be too old. Let's face it, our society judges old women harsher than old men. The fact that 52% of the US public doesn't like her plus she would almost be 70 years old at that point.
2008 was really the only year Hillary Clinton could have done it.
In 2012, Obama will be running for re-election.
Okie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2346 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1988 times:
Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 2): Whomever is elected in 2008 is going to be on the hook for an even worse economic crisis and bad period of time in US citizens.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16807 posts, RR: 57 Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1974 times:
Quoting United Airline (Thread starter): Will Hillary Clinton run for US presidency again? Perhaps in 2016? No chance in 4 years time right?
Do you honestly think at that age that she will want to go through with it?
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 8792 posts, RR: 17 Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1972 times:
Still she is not that old in 2016. 68? She can still do it. Even Mccain is 73 now.
Possible for her to run as an independent candidate? Or maybe she can switch to the republicans? :D
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12328 posts, RR: 12 Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1945 times:
I believe last week that she said she doubts she would ever try to run for President again, that 2008 was her best opportunity. Hillary will always be tainted by the serious personal behavior (especially sexual) of Bill, including the impeachment proceedings and so on.
She is best off continuing to be critical US Senator from a major state (NY) and becoming an important point person to push the policies of the Obama administration (assuming he wins).
Elite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2760 posts, RR: 10 Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1939 times:
Quoting United Airline (Reply 11):
Possible for her to run as an independent candidate? Or maybe she can switch to the republicans?
No independent party candidate can ever, ever win. . . it's just US politics. And switching to the Republican party would be disastrous and the Republicans would never in a million years select her as their nominee.
Whoever wins this year (AP poll suggests Obama has a 1 point lead over McCain, so anything is possible) is going to have a rough term and reelection will be hard to seek, especially all the hype given to Obama (if he wins of course )
Oh I get it, she gets her butt absolutely kicked by some unknown far left nobody for the nomination and she is going to come back in 4 years and win it all?
Jetstar From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 1523 posts, RR: 10 Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1915 times:
If Obama loses, I would expect she would run again in 2012, she still has a very loyal following of supporters and Bill is just itching to get back to the White House in any which way.
If Obams wins, that will be it for her presidential aspirations, she is not going to go against the party and challenge him for re-election in 2012.
PHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7251 posts, RR: 25 Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1862 times:
Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 7): Quoting United Airline (Reply 6):
If Obama wins is there a chance that Hillary Clinton will run in 2012? Can she?
Technically yes, although it would split the party significantly and most likely lead to a loss for the dems.
Very True. All one needs to do is look at the 1980 Primary Campaign when Sen. Ted Kennedy challenged then-President Jimmy Carter right up to the DNC Convention.
IMHO, that's one lesson that the Democrats learned very well (which was one reason WHY then-Senator Bill Bradley (of NJ) did NOT challenge then-President Bill Clinton in 1996)... at least on the Presidential level.
Personal take:
If McCain wins, she'll make another run in 2012; remember, at one point, she said that she wouldn't run for President in 2008... so never say never.
If Obama wins, I believe that she will be nominated for the first Supreme Court vacancy. A position, by design, that she'll retain long after Obama leaves office. I personally think that that promise may have very well been already made.
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STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16246 posts, RR: 52 Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1853 times:
Quoting United Airline (Thread starter): Will Hillary Clinton run for US presidency again? Perhaps in 2016? No chance in 4 years time right?
She was quoted recently as saying no, but she also stated she had no intentions of running for President when she ran for Senate Eight years ago so who knows.
She will not challenge her own party's incumbant unless Obama turns out to be an even bigger disastor than GW Bush.
Quoting United Airline (Reply 6): If Obama wins is there a chance that Hillary Clinton will run in 2012? Can she?
Again unless Obama does something criminal there's no chance she will challenge him for the Democratic nomination, there is a possibility that she could replace Biden as Vice President in Obama's second term. That would set her up for her own run in 2016, but again does she want to be doing that at 68?.. It's totally within the realm of possibilities that Palin will seek the Republican nomination in 2012, if she gets it adding Hilary to the Obama ticket would be a good way to make a play for Woman voters.
Quoting United Airline (Reply 11): Still she is not that old in 2016. 68? She can still do it. Even Mccain is 73 now.
Again who knows what's going to happen, she's healthy but Bill Clinton has had bi-pass surgery. I'm not sure he will be up for supporting her campaign, or the scrutiny.
Quoting United Airline (Reply 11): Possible for her to run as an independent candidate? Or maybe she can switch to the republicans? :D
Anything is possible, but if the polls are showing the same next week that they are showing now (Obama with a nine point lead on average) then I think it will be a large victory for Obama,
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13872 posts, RR: 28 Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1850 times:
Quoting United Airline (Thread starter): Will Hillary Clinton run for US presidency again? Perhaps in 2016? No chance in 4 years time right?
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Question 1 : Sure she will
Question 2 : If McCain becomes president, she will try in 2012, if Obama becomes president in 2016, if Obama for whatever reasons does not run in 2012 it will be in 2012 already
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Quoting B747forever (Reply 1): I really doubt she will run for presidency once again
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Already President Abraham Lincoln said, in his time in regard to General Grant, that the "Presidential Worm" is an incureable disease, and stated that Grant had it in spite of denial. And I think Hillary HAS that Worm-disease !
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RFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6140 posts, RR: 25 Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1825 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10): Do you honestly think at that age that she will want to go through with it?
No, but I thought she was smart enough to not run in 2008. She fooled me.
Quoting STT757 (Reply 19): Obama turns out to be an even bigger disastor than GW Bush.
Obama does not have to turn out to be a disaster.
I see very few people here remember 1968, or 1980.
The winner of this election - and I'm assuming Obama - could very easily be in a position like LBJ was in late 67-early 68 - and have a crippled presidency with no chance of re-election.
Declining to run and allowing someone else to carry the party banner will be the best way out.
The 1990 comparison is even more likely for Obama. Not only will the winner face a tougher economic climate than Carter faced, but an unpopular war they cannot win. Though it is very slightly possible the person winning in 2008 might have the US troops out of Iraq by early 2012 - they will not be out of Afghanistan.
The biggest mistake Carter made was coming to Washington with a message of change,and actually fighting against his own party in Congress to try to implement that change. That PO'd the democratic party powerful against Carter. And many, many of them supported Kennedy's run against Carter.
While it is a popular myth about how much Reagan's message accepted by the American people - it is seldom mentioned how much the divisive primary campaign hurt the Democratic party ability to organize and contest the November election.
You think this year's primaries were long and drawn out - they were nothing compared to 1990.
Obama's central theme of Change is very much like Carter's campaign theme. It is not original, many of the statements and rally cries are direct from the 1976 election near word for word.
If Obama actually tries to implement his public stand on change, he's going to lose that battle, and could very well not be able to run for re-election. That's just the battle within his own party - not even considering the economy, loss of jobs, possible deep depression, and the war.
Now in reality - I think Obama will win in 2008, and run for re-election and lose in 2012, because the voters and the Democratic party will not support the president who is responsible for NOT ending the war, and responsible for the worst economy, unemployment and job losses since 1929-32 - possibly even worse.
But if Obama is realistic and realized he cannot win re-election, does not run - then Hillary may well be the best candidate for the Democrats.
Fridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1383 posts, RR: 11 Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1817 times:
Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 3): Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 2):
Both 2008 candidates have promised the public they will fix the economy quickly. Ain't gonna happen
May I ask how you reached this conclusion?
Sorry for going off-topic,
WunalaYann, no offense my friend, but you don't need to be an Economist to see how far down the shithole our economy is in.
No matter who wins the election, it will take a loooong time for our economy to show some recovery. Four years won't be enough and unfortunately taxes will have to go up among other things.
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PHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7251 posts, RR: 25 Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1796 times:
Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 21): The 1990 comparison is even more likely for Obama. Not only will the winner face a tougher economic climate than Carter faced, but an unpopular war they cannot win.
Typo alert: 1980 not 1990.
Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 21): You think this year's primaries were long and drawn out - they were nothing compared to 1990.
See above.
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DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16807 posts, RR: 57 Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1758 times:
Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 21):
No, but I thought she was smart enough to not run in 2008. She fooled me.
And she came within a hair's breadth of getting the nomination, which probably would have led to a win.
Not such a dumb lady.
25 Superfly: ...and Ashley Todd would have a backwards 'C' carved in to her face.
26 Jetstar: If she was to accept a Supreme Court justice appointment, that would not only be the end of her political career, but her position in the Democratic
27 Blackbird: Technically, Hillary Clinton will be an option to vote for in this election. You think that Saturday Night Live parody of her saying that she had no e
28 ME AVN FAN: - I also was in favour of Kennedy, not least for the single reason that I excellently well understood/understand his Massachusetts/London English, wh
29 Stokes: I confess the greatest attraction of a Hillary presidency was the idea of Bill slouching around the White House in his bath robe like Tony Soprano, sh
30 MAH4546: Hopefully she'll run in 2012 after Obama officially switches to the socialist party. We need a democrat in office right now, and there isn't one runni
31 DocLightning: Three or more of the following are required: 1. Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly perfor
32 ME AVN FAN: - Messrs Obama and Biden ARE democrats. And Obama a "Socialist" ? He in Europe just would be a centrist with some left-of-centre notions.
33 PSA727: It would actually be an "H" and would be correct no matter the angle. I would have no problem with her being President. Her only shot again would be
34 ME AVN FAN: - Hillary Clinton as a student leader was rather on the far-left side, even by European standards, and during the years gradually moved towards the c
35 PSA727: Most people in their youth tend to be more liberal, unitl they have to support themselves and their family and pay taxes. It's like Ronald Reagan sai
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