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U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 7  
User currently offlineModerators From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 511 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6457 times:
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User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1957 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6450 times:

From the previous thread...

Quoting AGM100 on my question of "by what metric are we winning in Iraq"

Well my friend the Iraqi's I met this week think we are .... that's why they are leasing 4 new 737's . The Iraqi people want to travel and buy stuff , not the super rich Bathists ... average Iraqi's are demanding travel services. And these wonderful entrepreneurial Iraqi's are doing ..guess what ?.. A LOW COST AIRLINE! Sounds like victory to me !

So you are saying that because some Iraqi's are able to lease 4 737's, we've won?

Was that the goal?

Was it worth it?


User currently offlineAirportSeven From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6451 times:

Police: Campaign Worker Admits Making Up Story

Massive, massive fail.

Does anyone think this disgusting little attempt at race-baiting will make it into McCain's concession speech?

"If the incident turns out to be a hoax, Senator McCain’s quest for the presidency is over, forever linked to race-baiting.

Thanks, FoxNews. I couldn't have put it better myself.

[Edited 2008-10-24 10:47:22]

[Edited 2008-10-24 10:51:55]

[Edited 2008-10-24 10:52:19]

User currently offlineAirportSeven From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6447 times:



Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 1):
So you are saying that because some Iraqi's are able to lease 4 737's, we've won?

Unlike the U.S., Iraq has a huge budget surplus. They can afford to throw some cash around. Unlike the U.S.


User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6442 times:



Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 1):
So you are saying that because some Iraqi's are able to lease 4 737's, we've won?

They got private funding , are taking risks and doing what free people with motivation to aspire can do. Under Saddam , he owned it, he controlled he, robbed it and abused it.. big difference.
Not total victory ... but for me its a good beginning.

Was it worth it ?.... No.. it has destroyed our country .



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User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6437 times:



Quoting AirportSeven (Reply 2):
Massive, massive fail.

Does anyone think this disgusting little attempt at race-baiting will make it into McCain's concession speech?

"If the incident turns out to be a hoax, Senator McCain’s quest for the presidency is over, forever linked to race-baiting.

No more so than all the race cards that have been played by the Obama camp...But to be fair, she was wrong to do what she did..That's the McCain version of "Kill Him' that was later proved false by the Secret Service (Obama did complain to McCain's face during the debate about that. Don't see an apology from Obama yet..)

I bet John McCain will say something about this long before election day. Unlike Obama McCain has taken great pains to repudiate what idiots say on his behalf.


User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2586 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6427 times:



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 4):
Was it worth it ?.... No.. it has destroyed our country .

Epic. fail.


User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6425 times:



Quoting AirportSeven (Reply 3):

Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 1):
So you are saying that because some Iraqi's are able to lease 4 737's, we've won?

Unlike the U.S., Iraq has a huge budget surplus. They can afford to throw some cash around. Unlike the U.S

I wonder what the measure of that surplus is at today's oil prices. I'm wondering how verifiable those numbers are. Iraq has a ton of infrastructure to rebuild, much of which we did destroy in our invasion.

Whatever your thoughts on the Iraq war, we did go there and invade their country. You can't just leave it without fixing things...


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19575 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6418 times:



Quoting AirportSeven (Reply 2):
Police: Campaign Worker Admits Making Up Story

Massive, massive fail.

Oh. My. Gosh. That's desperation at its finest.


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1718 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6417 times:



Quoting AirportSeven (Reply 2):
Massive, massive fail.

That is really, really bad  Wow!

A McCain campaign worker? I wonder if she's a paid employee or just a volunteer. If she's an actual employee this could be a big deal.



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User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6418 times:

From the previous thread:

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 300):
But hey, at least I'm "free

AGM100 responded:
"Freedom with order and honour ... the freedom you condone is a spiral into anarchy . There is no freedom as the left perceives it . We must have rules and standards to uphold as a society , it is what holds it together. ahhhh never mind."

AGM, could you please explain what exactly I posted which would lead to anarchy? And by not agreeing with what the right is doing does that automatically make a liberal/left?

Additionally, could you please explain what rules and/or standards are we supposed to live by? I'm just curious since you seem to confuse basic human rights and decency with anarchy.


User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1957 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6415 times:



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 7):
Whatever your thoughts on the Iraq war, we did go there and invade their country. You can't just leave it without fixing things...

So, does staying and trying to fix things because we f'd them up constitute "winning?" I'd say it's just doing what we have to do and maybe... not losing militarily.


User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6581 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6402 times:
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Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 7):
Whatever your thoughts on the Iraq war, we did go there and invade their country. You can't just leave it without fixing things...

Agreed. But there are several way to "fixing" things. How would you know when they are actually fixed? how do you know that you are pouring resources to things that will only get marginally better? How far do you go? Do you give Iraq a better education and health system than the US? Better than its neighbors? Better than before?

"Fixed" is not concrete goal.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19575 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6392 times:



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 10):
AGM, could you please explain what exactly I posted which would lead to anarchy? And by not agreeing with what the right is doing does that automatically make a liberal/left?

so far I've heard arguments that nationalized healthcare could lead to internment camps (to force people to practice salubrious lifestyles) and now that it will lead to anarchy.

Yet in EVERY SINGLE OTHER FIRST-WORLD COUNTRY there is nationalized healthcare and somehow they aren't anarchist or running internment camps.

Again, this is the sort of "logic" you see being used in the McCain/Palin camp. It's not conservatism. Conservatism is a viable, practicable political philosophy. This, by contrast, is just pure idiocy. And somehow, idiocy is OK with people for use as a political philosophy, which is why the U.S. nearly collapsed this year.


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1718 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6392 times:



Quoting AirportSeven (Reply 2):
Massive, massive fail.

Part II

Apparently this incredibly stupid young woman is NOT and employee of the McCain/Palin Campaign. According to NBC:

Sources: McCain volunteer fabricated attack

Excerpt:

"A John McCain volunteer in Pittsburgh who said she was robbed and sexually assaulted because of her political views has admitted to fabricating the story, police sources told a TV station."

"Ethan Eilon, executive director of the College Republican National Committee, told reporters that Todd worked in New York for several months before moving to Pennsylvania two weeks ago to continue working for the group."

Furthermore, NBC reports:

"The report of the attack prompted the Republican presidential candidate and his running mate, Sarah Palin, to call Todd expressing their concern. Barack Obama's campaign also issued a statement wishing Todd well and hoping the attacker would be swiftly brought to justice."



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User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6382 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 12):
Agreed. But there are several way to "fixing" things. How would you know when they are actually fixed? how do you know that you are pouring resources to things that will only get marginally better? How far do you go? Do you give Iraq a better education and health system than the US? Better than its neighbors? Better than before?

"Fixed" is not concrete goal.

The eternal question regarding Iraq that this administration has failed miserably in responding is "what is the expected outcome". We invaded the country because they had WMD's. Then it was because they had ties to Al-Qaeda (which did not operate inside Iraq before the invasion). Then we needed to stay in to bring "democracy". Then we had to have the surge. Now we have to rebuild. Meanwhile we keep pouring money into this and we don't know yet when we'll be able to declare the job done. Sorry, but when I went through military officer school they always told us that we must have a clear objective and mission goal if we wanted to succeed, which clearly has never been the case with the war in Iraq. And McCain can't offer one either (or Obama for that matter).


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19575 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6382 times:



Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 14):

Apparently this incredibly stupid young woman is NOT and employee of the McCain/Palin Campaign. According to NBC:

Which is fortunate.

Although there are a lot of people working on both campaigns. You can't hold the candidates accountable if one of their people turns out to be crazy. It's not like McCain personally interviews every volunteer.


User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6377 times:

Ahhh... I figured that AP poll on the 22nd was bogus in it's findings.

Poll: Obama Maintains Double-Digit Lead

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...html?tag=topStory;topStoryHeadline

With just twelve days left until Election Day, Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama holds a 13-point lead over Republican rival John McCain, a new CBS News/New York Times poll shows.

Obama now leads McCain 52 percent to 39 percent among likely voters nationwide, roughly the same lead he held last week. Just five percent are undecided, and more than 9 in 10 of each candidate’s supporters say their mind is made up.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6581 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6374 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 16):
It's not like McCain personally interviews every volunteer.

No but apparently Obama interviews personally every volunteer over at ACORN ..LOL


This is why she looks better than she talks about policy..

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...P23eyGmxqE8EEa7ba6r86BpIwD9410JV80

Palin stylist draws higher pay than policy adviser

By JIM KUHNHENN – 57 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — An acclaimed celebrity makeup artist for Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin collected more money from John McCain's campaign than his foreign policy adviser.

Amy Strozzi, who works on the reality show "So You Think You Can Dance" and has been Palin's traveling stylist, was paid $22,800, according to campaign finance reports for the first two weeks in October. In contrast, McCain's foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, was paid $12,500, the report showed.



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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6361 times:
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Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 9):
A McCain campaign worker? I wonder if she's a paid employee or just a volunteer. If she's an actual employee this could be a big deal.

As I predicted. This one didn't pass the smell test from Day 1. How unfortunate that both campaigns wasted time and energy wishing this idiot a speedy recovery.

It concerns me that the cops couldn't tell from that immaculately scratched "B" on her face that there was something fishy here -- I guess they do have to turn over every rock before they reach a conclusion.. Oh well, it didn't last very long.



Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6355 times:



Quoting Johnboy (Reply 6):
Epic. fail.

OH Goody goody goody ! Yes your side won ! congratulations ! Thanks for rooting for the enemy ! Bush Failed hoooray hooray !

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
EVERY SINGLE OTHER FIRST-WORLD COUNTRY

Name one that comes even close to the size of the US ? We are too large , too diverse and we have too many people who can afford there own to smash us all into a federal system designed for everyone. And we already have all kinds of programs to help those who need it.

Besides who the hell can trust the Fed to run health care ! Jeezuz they screw up everything they touch .



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User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6347 times:



Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 11):

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 7):
Whatever your thoughts on the Iraq war, we did go there and invade their country. You can't just leave it without fixing things...

So, does staying and trying to fix things because we f'd them up constitute "winning?" I'd say it's just doing what we have to do and maybe... not losing militarily.

I wouldn't call it winning at all, moreso cleaning up the mess we and the International community created in 1991.

I'd call winning leaving Iraq in a better state than it existed pre war. Is that possible? I don't know.

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 12):

Agreed. But there are several way to "fixing" things. How would you know when they are actually fixed? how do you know that you are pouring resources to things that will only get marginally better? How far do you go? Do you give Iraq a better education and health system than the US? Better than its neighbors? Better than before?

"Fixed" is not concrete goal.

These are all very good questions. It's something the Iraqis and US have to sit down together and figure out. It sounds like they will have most of the US forces out by 2011, so their perspective is to get in a good enough position so they can finish the job themselves.


User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1957 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6346 times:



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 20):
we have too many people who can afford there own to smash us all into a federal system designed for everyone. And we already have all kinds of programs to help those who need it.

But over 40% of Americans can't afford it and the cost is rising at twice the rate of inflation.

Medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcies.


User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6334 times:



Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 22):
But over 40% of Americans can't afford it and the cost is rising at twice the rate of inflation.

Medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcies.

Shhh, don't say that too loud, it kills the whole free market concept. Oops, too late!

No seriously, we have a problem when we are the wealthiest country ever and so many millions of our citizens either can't afford health insurance, are faced with steep bills EVEN with good coverage, get dropped off by their plans because they are "expensive patients", or, worse, simply ignore sound medical advice and defer treatment because they can't afford it. This is happening every day and is affecting Americans in more ways than the right (or left) care to admit.


User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6326 times:



Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 22):
But over 40% of Americans can't afford it and the cost is rising at twice the rate of inflation.

1. Drop taxes
2. Drop Corp Taxes too 25%
3. Cut cap gains

Watch businesses start booming again , hiring all those people . It will create competition again ..then the cost will come on down. Federalizing it will cut competition, costs to the fed will go up , taxes will go up to pay for it and the whole thing will turn to crap. Not to mention the quality will go down.



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25 StuckInCA : Or the rich will get richer and every one else will continue to get poorer.
26 Superfly : Very disgusting to see such a story made up by that reject. True but it says a lot about the kinds of people that have been attracted to the McCain/Pa
27 AGM100 : The Rich will get richer ! and the poor will get richer. Rich people spending money and buying products and services on a mass scale is the only way
28 Sv7887 : And those who've vandalized cars with McCain stickers and harassed McCain volunteers speak volumes about Obama supporters. You can't generalize, ther
29 Superfly : Yep, McCain supporters are worse. Ashley Todd's lies was from an old play book that was very common in the American south. The sad part about the Sus
30 DocLightning : Japan, with about half the U.S. population. The U.S. is the largest country with the largest population in the First World. This does not mean that w
31 AGM100 : STOP IT .. She is a idiotic freak. Her intentions may be what you described and I believe they may have been . But it would not have mattered to the
32 Superfly : Yes it does. We all know that. True but it was a learned behavior that she thought she could get away with. Her crime was purely race-related and fue
33 DocLightning : No it doesn't. So wait, do we actually know what happened yet? Did ANYONE get robbed or assaulted?
34 Post contains links Superfly : The story was false. She already admitted it. http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS.../24/mccain.sticker/?iref=hpmostpop
35 DocLightning : " target=_blank>http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS...stpop Oh, I thought I'd read at some point that someone did get assaulted on camera, but that
36 Post contains links Superfly : Not sure. At least we know it had nothing to do with the Presidential election. How reliable are these polls? They are now showing Obama leading in I
37 Aaron747 : No answer yet. I'm right there with ya Charles - accused of being a liberal lefty with the labels firmly applied before any substantive response to m
38 DocLightning : My solution is to decrease the defense obligations. Why are U.S. taxpayers paying to defend all of Europe from Russia? Why aren't Europeans paying fo
39 Arrow : That's likely to spark a spirited response once the time zone rolls around a few hours. It would be in everyone's interest, especially Americans, if
40 Post contains links 11Bravo : The Indiana lead is new as of the last few days. Obama has had a small lead in NC for two weeks or so. There are several states where McCain's lead h
41 Post contains links AirportSeven : Palin to Dobson: "God will do the right thing on election day." It has been my contention all along that Governor Palin's selection as the Republican
42 DocLightning : Know why I want Europe to increase its military? To put a check/balance on the U.S. Right now we can do whatever the heck we want because nobody can
43 Post contains links BN747 : Any of you remember this thread started by JCS17? I Think McCain Will Win! http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ums/non_aviation/read.main/1947692 H
44 Seb146 : Isn't the slogan of the Palin/McCain campaign "Country First?" Why, then, would they want to continue spending hundreds of billions of dollars a year
45 Charles79 : In theory your logic might sound plausible but in reality the rich may or may not spend proportionate to their increase in income (they're rich for a
46 11Bravo : That sounds like over-confidance to me. Eleven days is a very long time this election year. We have seen swings in momentum materialize in less time
47 Post contains links AirportSeven : McCain Communications Director Gave Reporters Incendiary Version Of "Carved B" Story Before Facts Were Known John Verrilli, the news director for KDKA
48 NAV20 : Have to take issue with you there, DocLightning. Certainly some of the European powers have 'musical comedy' militaries (especially some of the lates
49 BN747 : Be it as it may, it is the polls that are speaking...not me. In a close race, you'd have a point. Collective polling showing Obama leading between 6-
50 AirCop : I just wait until late Nov 4th or early Nov 5th to celebrate, if my candidate wins.
51 StuckInCA : I've been saying this for a long time (and I know I'm not alone). Having worked on a defense program that started under Reagan and still isn't operat
52 AGM100 : No she would not have , I just dont want this election to be about race. I can honestly say I do not think of Sen.Obama as a black man. I dont , I do
53 StuckInCA : This attitude is what is biting Republicans in the ass right now. This with us or against us bullshit. We don't all have to agree, but that doesn't m
54 Post contains links Zentraedi : Now this is seriously, the most disgusting clip of Sarah Palin that I have ever seen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCXqKEs68Xk This level of ignoran
55 StuckInCA : The idea of her having any sort of power is very frightening.
56 Post contains links QANTAS077 : Obama's ground campaign is infinitely more sophisticated that McCain's, you just follow the money and that'll lead right to the winner.. on your way
57 DocLightning : Research on Drosiphila melanogaster helped to elucidate the genetic principles that allowed us to figure out why her kid has Down's syndrome. That le
58 Post contains links BN747 : " target=_blank>http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=HCXqKEs68Xk This woman is completely nuts if she thinks 'everyone' is buying her 'wasteful spending' cr
59 DocLightning : I was fine with the money being spent on Palin. I do have an issue with it being spent on her kids.
60 Zentraedi : Honestly, the clothing issue isn't worth even mentioning. It's her policy statement on and ignorance towards basic research is what should be scaring
61 Santosdumont : It isn't a game. It wasn't that long ago that none other than John McCain was in Santiago for a love fest with the late dictator, General Augusto Pin
62 Aaron747 : Because if they were it would completely change their government functions and budgets. Easier said than done. I'd love for the US to pull completely
63 Johnboy : Wonder what those hockey moms and their "Joe the Plumber" husbands have to say about that? I disagree. I'll grant that she has the ambition, but she
64 BN747 : Ansolutely it is..! Tp the mindset of hard-right neos who are up and down this board talking about Dems 'taxing and spending to death', the same mind
65 LTBEWR : With 10 days to go it seems the McCain/Palin campaign is failing badly and unless something obscenely stupid happens by Obama, Mc Cain will lose badly
66 AGM100 : Call us when you negotiate a 40 billion dollar pipline and oil tranfer program. And let us know how that govenership run is going ? Please keep us up
67 Aaron747 : Well that's where the problem lies, now that the cards are on the table. Screw what the rest of the world thinks, feels, or has to say, right? Especi
68 StuckInCA : And that means... what, exactly? Coming home with nobody questioning why we went there? Is that the new definition of victory? I'm guessing you disco
69 DocLightning : I'll make you a bet, AGM. My bet is that Iraq will be EITHER still torn by war or peaceful under a dictator again by 2020. Your bet is that Iraq will
70 PSA727 : Was that when Iraq was at war with Iran and before they invaded Kuwait? I love this "the U.S. didn't seem to have a problem with Saddam Hussein in th
71 11Bravo : ..., and that Sir, is the $64k question. We have never clearly defined our goals in Iraq beyond some vague notion of "freedom" and "democracy". Of co
72 Johnboy : Actually I was referring to her eloquent words referring to "special needs" children during her so-called "major policy" speech a couple of days ago.
73 DocLightning : No, but apparently she opposes scientific research that could help treat and prevent mental retardation. So maybe she is intellectually disabled.
74 A332 : "Maybe"...?? I think the answer is clear!
75 Superfly : Why do you feel that I am singling you out? I am not talking about you as I know you would not vote Democrat regardless of the candidates race. I am
76 ScrubbsYWG : I believe the LV bag was exposed as being a fake. If you are looking for ammunition, i am not sure what is worse. Buying your kid a $700 bag, or buyi
77 Post contains links AirCop : Seems like there is major ethics issues on her part with this pipeline: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...0/25/20081025palinpipeline-ON.html
78 Aaron747 : Then you are truly misdirected and deceived because the new Iraqi government is buddying up to Tehran rather nicely and the only reason that has happ
79 Post contains links ScrubbsYWG : AP investigation out today says: 'Palin Pipeline Terms Curbed Bids' http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=6110783 but this is just the liberal
80 Post contains links DocLightning : Looks like things are breaking down in the McCain/Palin camp even more. This just off CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/25/palin.tension/index.
81 AGM100 : I will take that bet , our friends in Iraq are looking across the desert too their Rich neighbours and they seem to want that too. So Doc you are goi
82 Charles79 : No offense but that comment is so childish it's hard to take you seriously anymore. It is our right as citizens of the US to question our leadership,
83 Arrow : This pipeline is going nowhere fast. It has been a dream for 30 years, and those of us who watch these things (and in my case write about them) under
84 DocLightning : Yes, AGM, I want the terrorists to win. Yup. That's exactly what I want. (For the record, that was irony). Betting that they're going to win is not t
85 Aaron747 : Notice he never offers a substantive reply to any of the city on the hill comments. Reagan is turning over in his grave as we type. It's long past pa
86 Mt99 : And we use to say that Hillary was too polarizing!!
87 DocLightning : I'm still interested in who you guys think would have made a good running for McCain. It's pretty obvious that Palin is a clown and clowns never get e
88 Post contains links NAV20 : This would appear to be the McCain camp's primary strategy for the last few days of the campaign - going bald-headed for the 'natonal security' argume
89 ScrubbsYWG : with what has happened in the last month or so, Romney would have been amazing to have for economic matters. I somewhat understand the palin pick. Sh
90 Luv2fly : I have to agree 110% with your reply. I think he picked Palin in hopes of attracting Hillary's supporters on one hand. On the other hand he wanted th
91 11Bravo : McCain needs at least three of those four to win, he probably needs all four.
92 DocLightning : Hasn't he been bald-headed for a while? I think there are a lot of Americans who would be even more skittish about electing a Mormon than there are A
93 ScrubbsYWG : i refuse to believe the mccain campaign thought they would get any significant number of discgruntled hillary supporters to vote for a mccain palin t
94 Tugger : People are not talking about federalizing healthcare, both sides are talking about putting in place options that will make it available to a greater
95 DocLightning : It's the Democrats' fault. They blocked everything the GOP tried to do. If we'd just let the GOP do EVERYTHING they wanted to do we'd all be rich as
96 PSA727 : Since there are more registered Republicans than Independents, alienating your voting base by trying to capture another group does not equal winning.
97 LTBEWR : I think Huckabee would have been a far better VP choice for McCain than Palin. A former Baptist preacher, a former Arkansas Governor with a proven rec
98 DocLightning : OK, so who are those Republicans going to vote for? Obama? No, they're going to shrug, whine about it, and vote for McCain. Yeah, they're not going t
99 Johnboy : Can't imagine Crist being a realistic choice for VP....too many stories of him being one of those filthy homersexuals, even though he went shopping an
100 Post contains links AirportSeven : The Anchorage Daily News is officially In The Tank for the terrorists: Obama For President
101 Post contains links AirportSeven : "The Internet and the Death of Rovian Politics" Thanks to YouTube -- and blogging and instant fact-checking and viral emails -- it is getting harder a
102 Dreadnought : Here are my predictions (all scenarios assume the Dems keep the House and no major 9/11 type events) If McCain wins and democrats do not get 60 seats
103 Post contains links Mt99 : I guess it turns out that Palin doesnt even know how many illegal immigrants are in Alaska. You would think that as a Governor you would have some sen
104 Mir : Romney also has the problem that he's a Republican version of John Kerry, which is off-putting to not only a number of Republicans, but more importan
105 Dreadnought : Estimates of illegal immigrants in Alaska run from 2,000 to 5,000 individuals, so it's not a major issue in Alaska.
106 AirCop : Obama wins with a mandate 330+ electoral votes Democrats in the house increase the number of seats held to 250 Democrats take 58 seats in the Senate.
107 AGM100 : If Iraq is not Stable and moving in a direction of unification and economic growth in 2020 who would do you think would be to blame. The primary road
108 11Bravo : Most of all I think he realized he needed to do something, anything, to energize his campaign. The Democrats had just finished up a successful conven
109 PSA727 : No, many would sit out the election. They'll be just fine. If Palin were such a drag on the ticket, then why does she seem to draw a larger crowd at
110 11Bravo : Actually, I think that plays only a small, secondary role in this whole situation. The security issues are a byproduct of the underlying political an
111 Henkybaby : Can any die hard Republican here tell me why he will vote McCain even if that means running the risk that Sarah Palin will one day run the country? Ho
112 Dreadnought : If anyone has been a drag on the ticket, it has been John McCain, which is what we were worried about in the primaries. But it has been an immense sh
113 Henkybaby : And here I was mistakenly thinking that there has never been more government spending than under the Republican president you guys have now... Silly,
114 Dreadnought : Since when does the president control the budget or the deficit? The House controls it, by law. Notice that the deficit has nearly doubled since the
115 Post contains links Henkybaby : Nonsense and populism. The deficit death spiral started in under Bush Sr. More here: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1022-26.htm[Edited 2008-10-26
116 Dreadnought : Wonderful source. Look, what brought the deficit under control was the Contract With America, under the conservative leadership of Newt Gingrich and
117 Luv2fly : I just mentioned to my partner that after this election is over the next time you here Palin speak of McCain will be a quote posted when he passes aw
118 Henkybaby : Ah well. If you want to place blame on political parties, as McCain (and Obama) does, and there is some responsibility you should really look at the R
119 MBMBOS : Spare me the self-righteous diatribe! If you want to review how low campaigning has sunk, look no further than the McCain campaign. Or for that matte
120 DocLightning : Yes, because under Republican leadership (a six year majority in both Congress and White House, which is unprecedented in modern times) the country h
121 Dreadnought : Firstly, republicans have not had "total control" over congress in 40 or 50 years. Being Duttch, you might not know that it takes 60 votes out of 100
122 Henkybaby : I don't think there is any point I could possibly make that would convince you that a Democrat as president would be a blessing for the USA and the wo
123 AirCop : You're kidding.. Now please tell me what part of the Contract With America brought the deficit under control? A November 13, 2000 article by Edward H
124 DocLightning : They didn't act like Democrats at all. They acted like Republicans. They lowered taxes and spent. They also waved a flag around while they dismantled
125 Confuscius : How ironic if Obama wins and the Democrats get super majority in Congress. It would have taken the Democrats less than Karl Rove's Republican master p
126 DocLightning : Because the Republican Master Plan was about the Republicans running everything. The Democratic Master Plan is about saving the country. They were in
127 Santosdumont : So it was kosher to provide military and financial aid to a man whom GWB would later characterize as Lucifer himself? If he wanted to court the folks
128 Mt99 : So? That does not change the fact that she should know how many illegal immigrates are in her state. You seem to know. Why doesn't she?
129 Charles79 : And is the McCain campaign any better? I agree with you that Obama does not have the qualifications of a Presidential candidate and that the bias in
130 Aaron747 : I think the simple translation of both of the above is that neither candidate is a real maverick capable of saying NO to their advisors and handlers
131 DocLightning : Actually, while Obama supporters have focused on Palin's clothes, the campaign has not. However, the McCain campaign did try to call Obama a terroris
132 WunalaYann : I see. The man has references - "Star star", last song on Goat's head soup. "Your trick with fruit was kinda cute, I bet you keep your [censored] cle
133 Usair320 : That's not at all needed........I'm a registered Republican, and your statements are a disgrace to our party(As is McCain) (BTW I'm voting for the te
134 AirportSeven : My snark obviously didn't come through well on that comment. Read some of my previous posts and I think you'll see what I mean. It is disgraceful tha
135 Charles79 : I think that, for me, the biggest threat is not McCain's age, rather his health if we ever need his VP to take over. The thought of a President Palin
136 Seb146 : Don't forget: the Dems did not have a "real" majority in either house. The Dems could not override a Republican filibuster or a veto. Without such a
137 Tugger : It's called a VETO. Yes the president does have a lot of control over the budget. If the REPUBLICAN LEAD Congress sends the President a bad budget th
138 Henkybaby : Can somebody on the Republican side PLEASE answer the question below. It really starts to look like you guys have no answer...
139 AGM100 : So what if we did ... would you change your mind ?. nope . Go back and read the posts over the past 6 weeks .... you will see the reasons. But of cou
140 Post contains links Sv7887 : Obama's tax plan alone was estimated to cost 3.4 Trillion Dollars....Not to mention his corporate taxes will raise prices across the board and encour
141 Tugger : Source? If you can provide a relatively unbiased one that would be great (I know there aren't always many) My comment on this would be: Does he need
142 MBMBOS : Where, in my response, have I sought the moral superiority of one party over the other?
143 Post contains links Sv7887 : Sure, no problem: "But under current law, all the tax cuts expire and the deficit disappears completely. Democrats in Congress have vowed to preserve
144 Post contains images Superfly : Yes you do. You're just pretending that you don't.
145 Post contains links Sv7887 : Superfly, there are bad apples on both sides. What that woman did was sick and disgusting and I hope she pays for it. Racism exists on both sides. I
146 Sv7887 : The issue was which "idiot" was the lesser of two evils. What no one will admit is that Al Gore had a booming economy and still couldn't seal the dea
147 Post contains links Superfly : Only after he saw his poll numbers side. Actually McCain did a lousy job handling that. The lady was claiming that Obama was an "Arab". McCain's resp
148 Post contains links A332 : The only rabid racism that is coming out of the campaign is clearly rolling from the McCain/Palin side of things... search YouTube for many examples.
149 MBMBOS : And yet you haven't answered my question. Where have I asserted that one campaign is morally superior to the other.
150 Post contains links AirportSeven : You can't see it, but you can sure hear it here, right about :55. I don't think it was a Dem, either.
151 Superfly : At this point, I am not even surprised. It's just sad that you still have people like that in this day & age. What's even more disappointing is the P
152 Charles79 : Good summary. Disagree on the issues but both campaigns have been careful not to go down that low to revert to the use of racial slurs or any other t
153 Aaron747 : What I saw this morning on CNN Int'l confirms only that. They showed clips from Obama talking about the need for both healthcare and military strengt
154 AGM100 : I agree. And I am also done with this thread .... I have voted and I know why I voted for my candidates . That is all we can do as citizens , and if
155 Post contains links StasisLAX : It now appears that Senator John McCain might lose his home state of Arizona - according to Arizona Republican insiders!!! "This is shaping up to be t
156 Post contains links Charles79 : More power to you. Or gender. I was just watching O'Reilly and he showed some sick prank that they pulled in Hollywood for Halloween: basically they
157 RJdxer : This is true. Unfortunately an idiot is not the best person to select intelligent people. Yep, voted last week, went to EDI over the weekend, I'm don
158 NAV20 : Just as a matter of interest, RJdxer - if you were president, where would you make said cuts?
159 AirportSeven : She stumbled for just a moment, then steadied out. I think she was asking herself, "Do I call her out on that, or do I just let it go?". And then she
160 RJdxer : It has to start with ear marks, that is, pork spending projects. Congress just has to make their constituents understand somehow that the days of loo
161 StuckInCA : Do you have good information on how serious a problem this is? I don't like it (pork barrel spending), but I suspect you're falling victim to McCain/
162 Zentraedi : It's really not worth trying to argue that random loonies are representative of the whole. Rather, you should take note of how the actual candidates
163 Baroque : Hmm, even at this distance we have worked out that Pork is more spectacular than numerically important. Wonder what that tells us? Foreign aid cut on
164 NAV20 : As I understand it,' earmarks' are normally necessary because few presidents have outright control of both Houses of Congress. So 'inducements' - not
165 RJdxer : It's not a serious problem, it's a start. It shows determination. Because in any heavy debt situation the best thing to do is start with the smallest
166 NAV20 : Very possibly I don't, RJdixer. After all, the US governmental/electoral system is somewhat out-dated, having been devised in the 18th. Century and n
167 StuckInCA : If you fall back on the thought that only things mandated by the constitution should be funded, I'll keep digging out such gems as Iraq. How do you f
168 RJdxer : Unfortunately for our country as time has progressed the constituents have come, in part, to base how well a Representative, or a Senator, is doing b
169 Post contains links StuckInCA : This is still stuck in my craw. You realize that the constitution also says that "We the people" will "promote the general welfare... ... to ourselve
170 RJdxer : If you can name something else that is go ahead. Since you know that other than defense, which is mandated, everything else is discretionary. Yes, an
171 NAV20 : Cheers, RJdxer - never saw it that way before. So there's pork-barrelling either way - either because the party in general charge has too much power,
172 Tugger : Both the Republicans and the Democrats seemed to feel that downsizing the military was the right thing to do, at the right time, in the mid 90's. Nei
173 RJdxer : The way to look at it is volume. When you have one party in charge the volume goes way up. I have to ask....explain Winston Churchill or did the King
174 DocLightning : And she DIDN'T call her out. She just let it go. Even John McCain stood up to a supporter who spoke about Obama being a Muslim. That's because, while
175 Post contains links StasisLAX : In conversation with Politico Playbook, a top McCain adviser one-ups the priceless “diva” description, calling Sarah Palin “a whack job.” Sour
176 Post contains links Superfly : ...and something I have always suspected about Sarah Palin all along. No the supporter thought that Obama was an "Arab". John McCain did a lousy job
177 Post contains links Superfly : You might want to take a look at this clip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdxugg9Q18o
178 Post contains links ScrubbsYWG : honestly, is the mccain camp using joe the plumber(in person form) at campaign events, rather than just mentioning him in speeches? Guess so: http://e
179 Luv2fly : I agree that at one time he sure was. I believe that in his quest to in this election he sold his soul to the devil. The sad thing is he will always
180 RJdxer : Funny how Bush 41, Dole, Bush 43 both times have had the same accusation leveled against them by liberals and democrats. But dare to suggest that cal
181 Post contains links Dreadnought : In 1801, under President Jefferson, the US went to war with the Barbary states in North Africa, and ended up invading Tripoli (US Marines - the origi
182 Luv2fly : I am not saying that either party is guilt free that is for sure. Though McCain and Palin, A.K.A. Geezer and Gidget have shown there true colors by a
183 Post contains links Superfly : but this one wasn't; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRLljAMvO2s
184 Post contains links DocLightning : McCain has a problem. A big one. He got an endorsement. A BIG endorsement by a very influential group in American politics. He got an endorsement by A
185 RJdxer : Of course the Obama/Biden campaign has gone way out of there way to silence groups like MoveOn.org that do the very samething but just don't get a mu
186 AirCop : I would suggest that this wasn't an offensive action, but needed to protect American shipping interests and to free American sailors held as captives
187 Post contains links Dreadnought : Actually, they endorsed neither, and Kerry blames them for his loss. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4222647.stm Right. Nearly all the 911 haijac
188 Aaron747 : Every Washington insider who has been interviewed over the last month has admitted that regardless of your take on Obama, if elected he will be force
189 Superfly : Kind of like Dubya. Oh wait, those hijackers were going by faulty intelligence. They don't give a rats @$$ who wins!
190 Dreadnought : You trust Washington insiders to tell the truth??? Intellectual fortitude from a man who believes in wealth redistribution, who did not know his prie
191 Charles79 : I'm not sure if that's a smart move. FOX news just reported that McCain's campaign is not happy with everything that he's saying (like alluding to th
192 RJdxer : No, I agree both sides do it. My point, and it is supported just by what Luv2Fly said is that when it comes to finger pointing liberals and democrats
193 Aaron747 : Are you calling people like David Gergen untrustworthy? I didn't say it - I was quoting various people who have opined on television in the last week
194 Luv2fly : There is a big difference in calling someone old and youthless. Sure it is not "nice" yet when was politics ever nice. It s a BIG difference when yel
195 Post contains links StuckInCA : During the 2000 campaign, on MSNBC’s “Hardball,” a young woman asked him why her father, a doctor, should be “penalized” by being “in a h
196 Dreadnought : As an economist, a businessman, and someone who, if Obama is elected and follows what he says, would probably benefit from his promised plan, his pol
197 StuckInCA : Spin it any way you like. I really don't see how you get the idea that Obama is simply going to take your money and hand it to poor people so they ca
198 Dreadnought : Maybe because that's what he's said. And, yes, it's not that much - only $1000 bucks or so, but you might recall that Social Security was originally
199 StuckInCA : What does this have to do with anything? Are you suggesting that we're going to see a bull market on extraordinary renditions, detainment without cri
200 Dreadnought : I could respond with an explative. This has everything to do with out-of-control growth of government that must be stopped. I'm talking about tax and
201 StuckInCA : And you think McCain is the man to do that? Or, in the case of recent Republicans, tax cut and spend. You can argue it's irrelevant (and I can disagr
202 NAV20 : In Commonwealth countries the king (or queen, or governor-general) is the head of state, and therefore has the power to 'hire and fire' the prime min
203 DocLightning : I actually am not so sure if he is. I get the sense that he is not. I think that's one of the few things he does that's a show, and I find that sad t
204 Dreadnought : We know that McCain has a longstanding position against wasteful spending and programs. He can be expected to bitch loudly when congress sends him po
205 Charles79 : Er...guys, I was actually quoting the FOX News reporter, sorry I didn't make it clear in my post. I personally dislike the fact that Obama was part o
206 Post contains links 767Lover : Quoting DocLightning (Reply 203): Quoting Charles79 (Reply 191): not the least because Obama is actually a very religious person. I actually am not so
207 AirportSeven : John McCain is a Washington insider. Ergo, he's a crook. Painting with a wide brush is fun! Ha ha. As if McCain has a chance left at winning this ele
208 AirCop : Have you been drinking kool-aid this morning? The Governor is plays the old-style back room politics just like the rest of them.
209 Dreadnought : There are 3 classes of "Official" Washington. 1. Elected officials. They can be booted by the people at whim. 2. Political Nominees. Their fates are
210 767Lover : Well, there are some lobbyists working on behalf of "the people," such as those lobbying for increased funding for Alzheimer's research, or education
211 EA772LR : And I half way thought you were talking about Obama...all of his foreign policy experience, he truly is a D.C. insider, and his spectacular knowledge
212 RJdxer : And that was not a threat on his life. She was right to ignore that person. Why give someone like that any time of day. They never spoke up on that i
213 Dreadnought : While we might agree or disagree on any particular issue, I would argue that, most likely, lobbyists working for Alzheimers are being paid by people
214 Luv2fly : What about the rally in PA when the McCain supporter brought the stuffed monkey wearing an Obama hat and that was allowed. It is on youtube.com if yo
215 Luv2fly : Good article on the Republican party and Palin. Makes some good points and is a good read.
216 Post contains links Luv2fly : Here is the link. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/29/palin.gop/index.html
217 Post contains links Luv2fly : New ad running, speaks volume though not much is said. http://link.brightcove.com/services/...nk/bcpid1185304443/bctid1885474357
218 Post contains links StuckInCA : I didn't specify US citizen when I brought up detainment. I don't think that you should have to be a US citizen to have to be charged with something
219 Santosdumont : I wouldn't describe those words ("geezer" and "gidget") as particularly hateful; calling a Senator a "cocksucker" or a sitting president a "prick" is
220 Post contains links Aaron747 : Whatever the reason Palin was picked, it was a mistake, period. I dare say it will be one of the primary reasons McCain failed if he loses the electi
221 RJdxer : And the Obama supporter wearing the shirt that said "Palin is a c--t"? Of course no one anywhere has ever tried to tie the current President to a chi
222 Santosdumont : It wasn't private. It was the 2004 Senate class photo.
223 DocLightning : Other than Canada, has Sarah Palin ever left the U.S.? I don't think so. Do you know the first time she ever met Joe Biden? At their first debate. As
224 Luv2fly : Do did go visit the Alaska National Guard somewhere in the Middle East, though you are right she did only get her first passport in 2006-2007 not exa
225 Luv2fly : How do we get off this merry go round, you always deflect the question by bringing up something the other party did. So basically no one is guilt fre
226 Post contains links Luv2fly : Here is a good article from the BBC website that explaing the feelings on why McCain is losing the election. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_el
227 DocLightning : Mods, can we close this thread and start a new one? It's getting so long I'm having display issues with it.
228 Post contains links CasInterest : Ok all, Think Obama's Wealth Redistribution plan is shocking to McCain? Take a look at McCain's views from 2000? McCain oppsoded bush's tax cuts, and
229 RJdxer : It was supposedly said in the Senate cloakroom which is off limits to virtually everyone except guess who. That is why there is no accurate report of
230 StuckInCA : They already handed me $1500 in "stimulus" that I didn't need this year. I suppose that was socialism too?
231 Superfly : LOL! I wonder if Joe The Plumber got any stimulus money considering he is a tax evader. Those who owe didn't get any stimulus cash.
232 RJdxer : Nope, nobodies taxes were raised to provide for it. That's just more borrowed cash.
233 Superfly : Spend, then tax? That's irresponsible socialism. Tax & spend is a smarter form of socialism.
234 RJdxer : I agree it's irresponsible, but it's not socialism, unless of course we agree we are taking from the Chinese and resdistributing it.
235 StuckInCA : So who's taxes will be raised so that Doc can get a better internet connection then? Do you consider not extending tax cuts which are not permanent t
236 Santosdumont : If that were the case, then there would presumably have been no need for Cheney's spokesman to acknowledge that there was a "frank exchange". The spo
237 Post contains links Superfly : ..and if that was displayed at a Obama/Biden rally, you bet they would have said something about it right then & there as well as being escorted out
238 Post contains links RJdxer : Wow, three lines, all to do with raising taxes. Not one word of cutting any program, even a military one to pay for it. That tells us all something d
239 Superfly : Not sure where you dug that crap up. Not everyone at Obama rallies are Black. McCain rallys on the other hand....... Obviously not as you've already
240 Superfly : RJdxer:BTW, no where in your article does it say the assailants were part of the Obama campaign. Also, this was not at a rally. As I said before, peop
241 PSA727 : No because it wasn't paid for by a certain population segment and given to another. And in reality, evryone will be footing the bill for the stimulus
242 StuckInCA : Come off it. This side-conversation stemmed from comments about Obama's tax policy being "socialist" due to the fact that it will "increase" (by not
243 Post contains links and images RJdxer : Are also not entirely made up of white people. And look how far I had to go to find that story. That's not CBS, NBC, or ABC reporting that. Yet when
244 Superfly : No. Sarah Palin clearly heard the remark and chose not to say anything about it. Apparently her rallies are a safe heaven for people to make such rem
245 Luv2fly : We are on the same page that is the same incident we are talking about, yes we no he stepped up to the plate "ONCE" what about all the times that McC
246 Post contains images Superfly : LOL! Now lets look at an Obama rally. Never mind, they are so large, so diverse, there is no point in trying to compare to see who is more diverse an
247 Luv2fly : Well Larry I did read that McCain roughly attracts 200 or so at a rally when he is campaigning alone, Palin is the one bringing people in, kinda like
248 RJdxer : I was talking about Docs slow ass computer and his obviously lame internet connection. If the democratic party manages to achieve 60 seats in the Sen
249 Superfly : It's best I stay as far away from her rallies as possible out of fear of being lynched.
250 RJdxer : A shane I probably won't be able to avoid being fleeced for years on end by an Obama administration. Much larger chance of that happening that you be
251 Luv2fly : By not saying anything she condone it with her actions. No it is much better to step up to the plate and shut it down. No by keeping quiet you can ke
252 RJdxer : BS. One person marginalized realizes they are on their own and quickly comes around. Getting into an argument only gives that person credibility. Aga
253 Luv2fly : OK we will just have to agree to disagree cause I am getting dizzy going round and round wih ya. The bottom line is she could have earned more respec
254 RJdxer : Then you don't understand anything about public speaking.
255 Luv2fly : You want to go there? I specialize in public speaking and do it and teach it as well. She could very easily diffused the situation by stating that no
256 Superfly : I hope we wont have to hear from her after next Tuesday. He knows a hell of a lot more than Sarah Palin.
257 RJdxer : Sure, I was in radio and tv for 18 years and even spent time as a motivational speaker and tried my hand at stand up comedy. She took the best course
258 DocLightning : Wait wait wait. How much did Bush spend on Iraq and Afghanistan? Did he increase taxes to cover it? Please don't call that socialism.
259 RJdxer : Irrevelant. No he cut taxes and as a result reciepts to the treasury began to increase over what they had been at the higher rates. So in other words
260 WunalaYann : If I may, a much more accurate definition of socialism would be socialisation of losses, of which a clear example would be the whole $700b buyout/nat
261 RJdxer : True but you are leaving out part of the equation and that part is a government that told banks and lending institutions that they had to make loans
262 WunalaYann : Agreed. Definitely not all Wall St. But said government-sponsored tinkering with the market did pass through Congress between 1994 and 2006...
263 Post contains links Luv2fly : How do you spell desperate? McCain/Palin campaign 2008 http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/29/campaign.wrap/index.html " Asked why the McCain campaign
264 Superfly : Tell me about it. Besides, if there was any merit to that story, AIPAC and the ADL would have sabotaged Obama before he even came to the Senate and c
265 Post contains links Luv2fly : Well this latest polls explains the desperate measures of McCain/Palin. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...nesday/index.html?iref=mpstoryview Colo
266 Superfly : Obama has lead there throughout most of the year. Indiana is what is surprising. I thought I'd never see my birth state go Democrat at the Presidenti
267 Post contains links AirportSeven : AP Poll: Obama leads in 6 of 8 swing states. "Colorado, Nevada, New Hampshire, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia. He and Republican John McCain were eve
268 Post contains links AirportSeven : He doubled his lead there in the last two weeks according to a CNN poll.
269 Post contains links Superfly : Some polls are showing a dead heat in Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota and Obama closing in on McCain in his home state of Arizona. http://blog.new
270 Post contains links AirportSeven : Why won't the media leave Joe the Plumber alone? What? He has a manager and a publicist? He's going into the studio to cut some tracks? Never mind.
271 Post contains links AirportSeven : Hollywood's next blockbuster, "Goin' Rogue". The John McCain campaign says "We're speechless". In a theater near you in 2012. Don't miss "Goin' Rogue
272 Dreadnought : Bad example. When you share your toys or your sandwich, that's called charity. When you force everyone else to share theirs, that's redistribution.
273 StuckInCA : I think he was poking fun. The point is that McCain... well and you... are so desperate to paint him as a socialist (or communist) that you might say
274 Dreadnought : If I were so desperate, I would have agreed with him. But the fact is, he is a socialist. We are seeing a pattern of beliefs becoming more and more c
275 Post contains links StuckInCA : Don't worry. You're letting the McCain/Palin fear machine get to you. If you must worry, worry about this: Palin faces new ethics complaint "Governor
276 BN747 : John McCain has run a disaster of a campaign..not one of a champion. Or a true leader. John McCain has treated the presidency as a joke by selecting -
277 Post contains links AirportSeven : KING: You don't believe Barack Obama is a socialist do you? MCCAIN: "No, but I do believe that he has been in the far left of American politics and s
278 Post contains links Zentraedi : Interesting ad just came out from the Obama camp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eUz13-pmTY Seems like it would be kinda difficult for McCain support
279 Aaron747 : I asked previously in the thread - once again: what do you call the Earned Income Tax Credit the Reagan administration passed in 1983? Is it or is it
280 Dreadnought : No, why?
281 Aaron747 : Are you for real? People below the federal poverty line have been receiving enlarged tax refunds for 25 years provided that they have children and jo
282 Dreadnought : Sorry, but I've only been back in the U.S. for two years, and am not familiar with some of the gazillions of tax programs here. If you describe it ac
283 Post contains links Aaron747 : Net positive income on which they pay net negative tax, in many cases. So, does that mean Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan were also socialists? McCain
284 Luv2fly : Aaron747 you hit the nail on the proverbial head. However true it may be, it's no less insulting that the McCain camp is arrogant enough to believe m
285 Aaron747 : And in fairness, especially because I couldn't vote for the man, it's no different than how Obama has run his. A bunch of lofty platitudes about Amer
286 Post contains links AirCop : Don't hold your breath, I'm still waiting for a response for over a week ago.. Interesting article out of Newsweek: http://www.newsweek.com/id/166193
287 Aaron747 : Because they can get a sordid 25% tax cut like the one the McCain plan is offering.
288 Charles79 : LOL! Scary as it sounds, though, I think we are.... America will have itself to thank for the next 4 years IMHO. We allowed both of these impersonato
289 Arrow : You are doing a great job with these posts, but unfortunately you're trying to educate a bunch of ideologues who don't want to hear anything that sha
290 StuckInCA : Exactly right. Too much detail will bore a huger percentage, irritate a percentage, and offer up fodder for the next negative ads from the other camp
291 Post contains links StuckInCA : Nice race baiting by McCain today. He now says that "Obama's taking your money to give to his welfare-lovin' peeps." http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
292 AirCop : What is it with the Republican party, this ad along with Elizabeth Dole's for one it's quickly becoming (if it hasn't already) the party of hate and
293 Post contains links Luv2fly : I was looking at this site http://www.electoral-vote.com/ And they have some good comments about Obama's recent infomercial. The quote that stood out
294 RJdxer : Agreed. The majority of it though was in the latter 90's after the Clinton Justice department threatened to prosecute mortgage lenders that were thou
295 Luv2fly : I am pointing out the tactics that McCain/Palin campaign are taking in hopes of winning, fear and slinging mud. If they win, and god forbid, why shou
296 RJdxer : Sure. So now pointing out what your opponents policies really are is slinging mud or trying to create fear. Not that it might be an actual portrayal
297 Luv2fly : Do McCain and Palin actually ever talk about issues that effect us? All I ever heard them do is browbeat Obama and Biden in there quest to take the l
298 RJdxer : Sure, and the biggest effect would be an Obama administration tied to a Democratically led Congress. He (McCain) has consistently states what he want
299 Luv2fly : McCain is flip flopping more than an out of water fish. And once again both him and Palin are going through the state of Ohio in hopes of winning it,
300 AirCop : Except McCain/Palin haven't done that. Calling your opponent a socialist, talking about Ayers, misinformation of Obama's tax plan, current ads, is no
301 Post contains links Aaron747 : Actually, that's exactly what Obama's plan intends to do, race-baiting aside. Obama's tax plan TRIPLES the Earned Income Tax Credit - which is comple
302 Post contains images Dreadnought : I don't know what kind of coverage you watch. They talk about their program and their differences with Obama every single day. If you are only shown
303 RJdxer : Really, care to name those? Taking from the wealthy and giving to the poor via the federal tax system is......? The fact remains he was an aquantance
304 RJdxer : Because the EIC is only applicable to those below the poverty line. Neither party, nor Presidents Ford or Reagan, ever stated that they were against
305 StuckInCA : That's a pretty classic line.
306 RJdxer : The detail of your replies is stunning. It shows such a depth of the subject, breadth of understanding and such. Socialists would not stop at the nee
307 StuckInCA : It doesn't take much more than that. Furthermore, many times that I make long posts with links and data, nobody on your side of the argument replies.
308 WunalaYann : Pretty messy, indeed. My general point is because it is a bi-partisan mess, then surely it has to be a bi-partisan solution. Labelling the different
309 Post contains links Luv2fly : She is a fine one to talk! No pun intended though talk bout the pot calling the kettle black! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081030/ap_on_el_pr/palin Pa
310 Luv2fly : Now when Palin calls Biden to congratulate him and starts out with calling him Joe he can quickly cut her off and tell her its Mr. Vice President Bide
311 RJdxer : Which it always has been. What Sen. Obama is proposing goes far beyond helping those below the poverty line. The EIC program is more about charity th
312 Luv2fly : Well the show me state is leaning towards Obama! Then so is Palin and Stevens and McCain and Keating 5 And he explaned why as it would be a way to ext
313 RJdxer : You mean Mr. Vice President HidinBiden. Which of the 8 was wanted for domestic terrorism? Which sounds as stupid coming from you as it did from him.
314 Luv2fly : And how long was it before Ms. Palin sat down with the press. Or should I say WEEKS! Really not talking to us is working, sanctions our working! Can
315 RJdxer : Yet now she is out everywhere and where is Sen. Biden? Scranton? Just ignore North Korea. Yet another sign of the love and feel good vibrations that
316 Luv2fly : Let's see Keating is serving time and Ayers is not, who was found guilty and who was not. Sure let's not even try anything different, let's us just d
317 RJdxer : He is? Last I checked his original convictions had been overturned. Of the 73 original counts he made a plea deal on 4 of them and was sentenced to t
318 AirCop : You do realize that Ayers was brought into court to face charges, but due to misconduct on the government part the charges were dismissed, so officia
319 StuckInCA : Not my words. These are things people on the right are claiming. Your choice of words makes it seem that you agree with those assertions but are, per
320 Mt99 : Shall we add G.Gordon Liddy to make it 9? You know McCains friend. The self confessed domestic terrorist?
321 PSA727 : Ummm, let's see...Ayers indictment was dismissed because of a technicality involving a wire-taping issue, and more importantly, Ayers admitted that h
322 Post contains links NAV20 : Can this really be true? Excerpt from 'The Australian':- "However, the Joe the Plumber trump card failed at an earlier rally, when Wurzelbacher was no
323 RJdxer : If you read what I wrote, that is essentially what I said. There is also Ayers quote on the way out of the courtroom, "Guilty as hell, free as a bird
324 Mt99 : Yes, Yes it does. The ties between McCain and Liddy are much closer than Obamas with Ayers
325 RJdxer : So you are actually suggesting that someone who headed a burglary ring is on the same level as someone who bombed the Pentagon as well as several tar
326 Dreadnought : Leding to his famous line walking out of the courthouse, "Guilty as hell and free as a bird - what a country!" Technicalities aside, Ayers is a POS w
327 Post contains links Aaron747 : Indeed, but McCain advisor and longtime Washington insider lobbyist Charlie Black is no less a POS who has made a fortune serving less than American
328 NAV20 : Really, guys......... Obama was eight years old when Bill Ayers was active with the Weathermen. By the time he (Obama) met the guy, he was Professor o
329 Post contains links Johnboy : Florida GOP County Chair: Help! Black People are Voting!!! This guy sounds like a real piece of work. (there are links in the story to other more "pal
330 Mt99 : McCain's pall advocated the killing of Federal Agents: ""Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing
331 Santosdumont : You forgot the "head shots" part of the G-man's tirade. Liddy was no cat burglar. Among the recommendations he made during his tenure on Nixon's Comm
332 Post contains links RJdxer : Which makes his association all the much worse since by the time he met Ayers, Ayers reputation and past were documented and admitted to by Ayers him
333 Santosdumont : Al Capone was nailed for tax evasion, so I guess by that logic he wasn't a terrorist either. Liddy's proposed modus operandi (firebombing, kidnapping
334 Post contains links Mt99 : Lets use a source you are a bit more familiar witth: http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Oct17/0,4670,McCainLetterman,00.html "McCain said he knew him.
335 RJdxer : Nope, he was a murderer and a rackateer. He did not seek to overthrow the legitimate standing government as the Weathermen did. Can you provide a quo
336 Post contains links Luv2fly : First the McCain camp does not fully vet Paln and now he firmly embraces Joe the plumber! My god you can not make this stuff up. Olbermann: Who does J
337 Santosdumont : Al was never convicted of murder or racketeering. But history has still proven him a terrorist. Since when has seeking to overthrow a government been
338 RJdxer : It has? A political terrorist? Source? Ummm, what else would you call a person seeking to violently overthrow a democratically elected government tha
339 Santosdumont : Playing fast and loose as always, RJ. I didn't say anything about politics, although one could conceivably argue that all terrorists are, ultimately,
340 Dreadnought : No need to witchhunt them. Just make sure that those institutions never get a single charitable donation or any sort of cooperation of any kind as lo
341 Arrow : Salvador Allende could give you a good answer to that one. By your definition, all the founding fathers are terrorists. I still don't get why Ayers i
342 PSA727 : Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko, Rashid Khalidi, et al, are more than associations of Obama. They all helped Obama move up politically. And people are looking
343 StuckInCA : Please explain to me what the problem with this man is? And more importantly, how his "association" with Obama is a problem? Such as?
344 AirCop : Very good question, considering how Senator John McCain served as chairman of the International Republican Institute during the 1990s which provided
345 Dreadnought : That was back in the days when the PA was getting started, and the PLO and various sub-groups had, it seems, renounced terrorism and were working tow
346 StuckInCA : So, seriously... why is this guy "nasty?" Is it because he's Muslim? Is it because someone accused him of being a spokesman for the PLO? What if I ac
347 Post contains links StuckInCA : Your "et al" comment reminds me of this exchange between CNN's Rick Sanchez and Michael Goldfarb (McCain's campaign spokesman): GOLDFARB: Look. You a
348 PSA727 : Well...if you insist...Khalid Al-Mansour, Jeremiah Wright, Father Pfleger, Bernadine Dohrn. Now that I think about it, are there any mainstream assoc
349 RJdxer : Yes you are. You are smart enough to know full well the meaning of terrorist yet you choose to play dumb and now have painted yourself into a corner.
350 StuckInCA : I don't think anyone denies that he has "interesting" views on Israel. But weren't Obama and Khalidi both professors (or lecturers) at the University
351 DocLightning : Deep breath, CA. Deep breath. Come Wednesday morning, Diva Palin is going to be back in Juneau with a large plate of crow being served with her reind
352 Santosdumont : I'm afraid that thanks to your myopic definition of terrorist, coupled with underwhelming posturing, you're the one with no wiggle room. So then the
353 RJdxer : A week ago, even a couple of days ago I would have agreed. Now, I wouldn't be so quick to count the chickens. Nope, they were representing the govern
354 Santosdumont : Tell that to the victims' relatives. Irony. The only point I'm making is that if the Right is going to simulate going ape-shit over Ayers, then it ne
355 AirCop : You're kidding. For decades, the Libyan regime of Colonel Muammar Qadhafi maintained a well documented history of extensive state sponsorship of terr
356 AirCop : Interesting comments from the Salon's Glenn Greenwald: This isn't only about profound ignorance regarding our basic liberties, though it is obviously
357 Oa260 : Heres hoping. I have to admit I dont really pray but I will be praying in 4 days time. Hopefully we will never see her again.. It is encouraging to s
358 NAV20 : That's my reading of the situation, Oa260. More desperate every day, anyway. One gimmick and scare tactic after another. And not a word about how, in
359 Superfly : or another video tape by Bin Laden or capture of Bin Laden. Usually those last minute tactics are done on the Thursday or Friday before the election.
360 Post contains links AirportSeven : Palin: "If you criticize me, you are violating my first amendment rights." Governor Palin has quite a refreshing take on how the first amendment works
361 Luv2fly : OMG can she really be this dumb! It is both funny to read her take and then sad to see she believes what she is saying. Was she dropped on her head a
362 RJdxer : You mean the ones that recieved a pretty hefty payment from from the Libyan government? Again, if you are comparing to what William Ayers and the Wea
363 Luv2fly : WOW something I agree with, yes Palin is in the same catagory as Nixon.
364 StuckInCA : Yeah. Another gem.
365 AirCop : Hum, I don't recall Nixon running in 1964.. Real the entire sentence which I posted below to remind you. Quite frankly based on all your posts regard
366 RJdxer : You can't think of any losing Veep candidate that took control of a political party after a defeat. Since you don't clarify immediately or give any o
367 AirCop : Perhaps you should have read the entire original statement before making a reply. Nelson Rockefeller due to Nixon defeat in 1960 became the "head" of
368 DocLightning : Woah woah woah. Palin is not NEARLY as smart as Nixon was. He is WAY out of her league. Nixon was a malevolent man, but intelligent. I believe that S
369 Luv2fly : Your right Nixon did bring something to the table unlike Palin. Sorry for insulting Nixon for mentioning him in the same sentance as Palin.
370 Aaron747 : Anyway, no better than Charlie Black, as previously quoted. Equally bad is the fact that McCain pals around with people who allow foreign lobbying mo
371 DocLightning : You are aware the man dropped the C-bomb on his wife in public, right?
372 RJdxer : Perhaps it is you that need to work on comprehension. That means after he won it in 1968 he became the titular head of the Republican party. Not befo
373 Aaron747 : Maybe he had good reason to. Women are more than capable of behaving in a manner that would induce such language from their man. Never used the word
374 StuckInCA : Whoa. All of the women in my life would consider that word WAY over the line. In private. No matter the circumstance. Maybe their more forgiving wher
375 Aaron747 : I bet you'd use it if they went way over the line and gave sordid personal details about you to your mother and grandmother as payback for breakup!
376 BN747 : I find it interesting that the 'well-meaning idiot.' thinks no one has noticed that she 'forgot' to release her Medical Records' as she promised this
377 FruteBrute : I find it amusing that the various uber-Republicons on this board keep carrying the water for the failed conservative policies that are about to be dr
378 RJdxer : Exactly when did this occur? Full control would mean a 60 seat majority in the Senate and all 9 seats on the SC. You know, just for the fun of it I'm
379 FruteBrute : And Jesus might come back before Tuesday too. Needless to say, get used to the idea otherwise it'll be a long 4 years for you. The better man and bet
380 Post contains links Aaron747 : Very true. As posted in the commentary thread, I fully agree with this synopsis by two Reagan disciples on POLITICO today: From steel tariffs to pres
381 BN747 : You've seen Obama's birth Certificate in this very thread, but you're they type that coulda been there when he was born in Hawaii and you'd still den
382 OA260 : Yes especially the recent ad where that annoying actress is saying '' Obama says that a child is a punishment''....Please, they are so clutching at s
383 DocLightning : Why doesn't Obama slap a slander suit on that?
384 RJdxer : So lets see, if you're keeping score so far in this thread I am... Which don't quite square with one another but what the heck. Since neither of you r
385 NAV20 : That's what I genuinely love about the United States, though, OA260. Big as the place is, communication is instant. A 'straw' can grow into a full-bl
386 Baroque : Are we nearly there yet?
387 FruteBrute : Lincoln was never a "Lincoln" either. As the years pass more myths and legends become fact for America's "heros". That is until you really dig into t
388 LTBEWR : As to the issues of Palin having to put out her medical records and Obama's official Birth Certificate from the State of Hawaii, ask yourself this: wo
389 Post contains links AirportSeven : When your candidate has no domestic policy, and his foreign policy is made up of threats, I guess it's hard to find something to run on besides lies
390 Post contains images NAV20 : Lincoln was just Lincoln, Frutebrute. To my mind, he was the greatest president so far - because he dealt with the biggest problem the United States
391 FruteBrute : My point NAV20 was to show that while each President has presided there was bitter partisanship and many who were opposed to them. In addition, so muc
392 RJdxer : Probably much the same as the Secretary of State of Ohio says that there are no fradulent registrations so she doesn't feel the need to look into the
393 Luv2fly : Once again you might want to check your fact, per the weekly stats Most Active Users Posts last 7 days DocLightning 149 RJdxer 94 Superfly 85 ME AVN
394 Post contains links MBMBOS : http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html Once again, this birth certificate thing is just plain nutty. But then again, you may be
395 Post contains links AirCop : Never confuse RJ with the facts.. Let’s stamp out Voter Fraud in Texas - written by the Texas AG Greg Abbott in 2006 Of course, voter fraud is no n
396 Oa260 : Haha that gave us all a laugh over here. He is starting to make ''Bushism's'' already. Maybe we should call them ''McCainism's''. Joes gone AWOL. The
397 DocLightning : 1) I swear if you ever bring up the idea that Hillary might possibly have ever had sex, has sex, or will ever have sex, I will cut off your gonads an
398 MBMBOS : You realize that where aliens are involved, the anal probe is not far behind (pardon the pun). I'm not saying anything, but if Hilary was visited by
399 Post contains links Mdsh00 : http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...nowhere-to-be-seen-at-palin-rally/ Interesting how much Sarah Palin has made this campaign into her own.
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