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N. Korea Threatens To Turn S. Korea Into 'debris'  
User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3989 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1928 times:

And the hits just keeps on comming...




N. Korea threatens to turn S. Korea into 'debris'


Story Highlights

* North threatens to end all relations if S. Korea doesn't stop confrontational activities

* North warns pre-emptive strike will reduce everything opposed to nation to "debris"

* North cited the remarks by a S. Korean general about a pre-emptive strike

* North also cited the propaganda leafleting by civic activists



http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/as...10/28/koreas.tension.ap/index.html

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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3989 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

Around 1 million soldiers are guarding the 4 km wide Demilitarized Zone between the two countries...

User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3085 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

The scary thing is, if N Korea did launch a pre-emptive strike, it is likely they could in fact turn S Korea to debris before anyone could do a thing to stop it. All that would be left is a retaliation, which would open a whole new can of worms no one needs.

However, I will still call bs on N Korea, they've been crying this for years. Either do it or shut it.



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3989 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1906 times:



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 2):
The scary thing is, if N Korea did launch a pre-emptive strike, it is likely they could in fact turn S Korea to debris before anyone could do a thing to stop it. All that would be left is a retaliation, which would open a whole new can of worms no one needs.

However, I will still call bs on N Korea, they've been crying this for years. Either do it or shut it.

Yes, but the thing is that, Mr. Kim... is said to be ill and well we don't really know what will happen if he dies. It will possibly be chaos and the military with desperate commanders may very well take control over whatever wheapons N.Korea has.


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8458 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1870 times:



Quoting Mortyman (Reply 3):
Yes, but the thing is that, Mr. Kim... is said to be ill and well we don't really know what will happen if he dies. It will possibly be chaos and the military with desperate commanders may very well take control over whatever wheapons N.Korea has.

They won't know what to do. They're so used to take order that they simply don't have any self judgement abilities.


User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

We basically talked about this same thing last week, when we were suppose to get some big announcement (which never came, btw).

And I pointed out that the military balance on the Korean peninsula has tipped so far in South Korea's favor, the chances of a war are the lowest they have ever been... no matter who is leading from top of the DPRK.

Military leaders of the DPRK will not initiate a war with the ROK because it will spell the demise of their country, their power, and their lives.

There are are certain indicators that the DPRK must take, to prepare for war. NONE of those indicators have occurred.

People wrongly believe that the leadership of North Korea is insane, however that is completely false. Every decision, every action - no matter how seemingly illogical and irrational to westerners - can be easily explained if you understand Korean culture.

Every decision is meant to protect their power base. Protect it against what they perceive as a hostile neighborhood, who is intent on invasion, or inciting internal collapse. The national paranoia, coupled with a cult-of-personality for Kim Jong-Il, and the Korean cultural demand that one "must save face" -- all underscore every decision they make. And many westerners wrongly interpret this as insanity. But Koreans place honor, especially personal honor, above all else. International embarrassment, or the perception of weakness, is intolerable. That is why they desire direct talks with the US - it legitimizes their self-worth.

But most alarming: Instead of preparing for a war that will never happen, the neighboring nations, and the United States, need to be preparing for the eventual collapse of the DPRK. At some point the economic strain will become too great... and what we will have on our hands is a failed nation of extreme poverty, with malnourished and brainwashed citizens.

South Korea, China, Japan and the US have done absolutely NO preparation for a DPRK implosion. Those ~23million people will become our responsibility, and even though South Korea has experienced an economic miracle, they will not be able to cope with such a massive burden. An implosion of their national leadership will cause an economic, and humanitarian crisis. One that we are completely failing to prepare for.

The goal ought to be to seek a "soft landing" for North Korea, and to stop running around like Chicken Little, crying, "North Korea is gonna attack, North Korea is gonna attack!"


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8184 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1821 times:



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 5):
South Korea, China, Japan and the US have done absolutely NO preparation for a DPRK implosion.

As has become somewhat usual in the region of late, the Chinese are beating us at our own game. They are in the process of establishing an "ethnic Korean" buffer region on the DPRK border...one could assume this will easily expand into a holding area when the implosion occurs. So it's somewhat inaccurate to say that the Chinese are doing nothing, though I agree with 95% of your post.

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/world/20081028TDY05301.htm



If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5727 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (5 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 1782 times:



Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
pre-emptive strike will reduce everything opposed to nation to "debris"

I would believe them.
I mean Great Leader & Dear Leader's failed policies reduced North Korea into "debris" even without any military action. They sure proved beyond reasonable doubt that they have the sufficient destructive know-how.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 5):
The goal ought to be to seek a "soft landing" for North Korea

Do you think it will be achievable without "someone" (South Koreans seem like the only choice for obvious reasons) actually physically intervening directly within NK?
It will require humanitarian effort almost the scale of post-WW2 Germany, except that the military will be intact, the only ones well fed, armed and the most fanatical, imho.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 1765 times:



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 5):
UH60FtRucker

Sound pretty sensible for a war fighter.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 7):
It will require humanitarian effort almost the scale of post-WW2 Germany, except that the military will be intact, the only ones well fed, armed and the most fanatical, imho.

Probably. And Iraq learned us not to destroy / replace the politically wrong, fanatical, guelty, privileged infrastructure. Cruel anarchy /destruction is around the corner..


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5727 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (5 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 1743 times:



Quoting Keesje (Reply 8):
And Iraq learned us not to destroy

What does Iraq has to do with any of this?
Watching from the sidelines couple millions die from famine while the NK commies jet their wives for medical treatment in Switzerland and play with nukes sure seems like a better option.

 Yeah sure


User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 1725 times:



Quoting Keesje (Reply 8):
Sound pretty sensible for a war fighter.

You will find that most war fighters are the last people who would ever want to go to war because we have to pay the highest price and sacrafices. Defend the the base, take on reinforcements and then take the fight north has been a USAF mantra in SK every time I went there knowing more or less you are a speed bump before forces in Okinawa,Alaska, Japan,Guam can come into play and praying to God that never happens because somebody in all scenarios always throws a nuke, game ender for both sides.
I see forsee happening is that NK turns into a version of Afghanistan with Generals in the NK military carving out pieces of NK with forces under their command in ala warlord scenario killing each other and whoever gets in the way of a bullet.



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User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1987 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 1713 times:



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 5):

Great post. It's nice to see some rational thought  Smile


User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1497 times:



Quoting Keesje (Reply 8):
Sound pretty sensible for a war fighter.

That's downright insulting, you should be ashamed of yourself. Remember, when it comes down to it, this guy has the stones to take a bullet for someone.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1394 times:

Unify & let those seperated families live together finally.

regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 2003, 14072 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1345 times:



Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 10):
I see forsee happening is that NK turns into a version of Afghanistan with Generals in the NK military carving out pieces of NK with forces under their command in ala warlord scenario killing each other and whoever gets in the way of a bullet.

I don't think so. The big difference between Afghanistan and North Korea is that Afghanistan is essentially a tribal society, with many ethnities, while North Korea is ethnically pretty homogenous.

The problem is that North Korea is much poorer than East Germany ever was (also, the east Germans had a pretty good idea about life in the West, since they were able to receive Western TV, receive visits from Western family memebers and retired East Germans could visit Western Germany, even then quite a few East Germans had funny ideas about the life in the West when the wall fell) and South Korea is in no way as strong as Western Germanywas at the time when the East German communist government collapsed.
An uncontrolled collapse of North Korea could well bankrupt South Korea (and affect the the border provinces of China as well).

The North korean leadership on the other hand realises that, in case of a collapse of their government, the Ceaucescu scenario (with them ending up in front of a firing squad) is very real, so they desperately cling to power.

Jan


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1299 times:

I don't think this will happen. This is nothing but sabre-rattling.

The DPRK has forgotten that if it attacks the South, not only the ROK, but also the US Army stationed in Korea (maybe even US forces stationed in Japan) will become involved in the retalliation. A one-million-men army for such a small country is by no means a factor for immedidate success.


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