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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

Looks like a fix may be in place already.

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/openhouse/2008/10/the-vote-grab-1.html

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6576

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/10/straight-party.html


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19951 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1343 times:

Oh lord.

Of course, there's the issue of paper ballots and counting machines flipping those.


User currently offlineN867DA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

Attention WV residents:

If you want to vote for DEMOCRAT Barack H. Obama, please select the box to the left of ''REPUBLICAN John McCain".

If you want to vote for REPUBLICAN John McCain, please select the box to the left of "DEMOCRAT Barack H. Obama".

If you want to vote for a candidate not listed above, please find your car keys and drive back home.

Thank you for trying to vote, and we promise your vote will count...for someone.

-West Virginia  Smile



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1323 times:

Its like watching Man of the Year.... except, theres no Robin Williams and its not funny.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21681 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1306 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 3):
Its like watching Man of the Year.... except, theres no Robin Williams and its not funny.

Granted, "Man of the Year" wasn't all that funny either, but at least it had no effect on our democracy.

-Mir



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21681 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1298 times:

Since I can't edit due to the tag problem, I'll just add:

Thankfully, only one of the states that seem to be affected really matters in the election (Missouri). The others are firmly in the hands of one of the parties.

-Mir



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User currently onlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5675 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1182 times:

I will never understand why people seem to want the voting process to become electronic. Do we really need instant results? I can wait a day.

One ballot, one person, a big "X" next to what you are voting for on a piece paper, sign it, and we're good. Keep it as a simple. Why complicate it, why spend a ton of money to fix something that ain't really broke (the stupid "hanging chad" thing is something that could have be easily rectified).

Tugg



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User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1419 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1172 times:



Quoting Tugger (Reply 8):

One ballot, one person, a big "X" next to what you are voting for on a piece paper, sign it, and we're good.

I agree with you on everything except the 'signing' part. Having them sign it would detract from the anonymity of the vote; a protection for citizens built into the electoral process The paper ballot should only require the elector to mark an X with a pencil next to who they are voting for- K.I.S.S- Keep it Simple n Stupid. If it takes a bit longer to count the results, then so be it.


User currently onlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5675 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1165 times:



Quoting SKYSERVICE_330 (Reply 9):
I agree with you on everything except the 'signing' part. Having them sign it would detract from the anonymity of the vote; a protection for citizens built into the electoral process The paper ballot should only require the elector to mark an X with a pencil next to who they are voting for- K.I.S.S- Keep it Simple n Stupid. If it takes a bit longer to count the results, then so be it.

There must always be a way to track back votes to the actual voters, right now I sign in on a register to show that I voted and every paper ballot has a number assigned to it and you get to keep a matching stub with that number. That's fine with me.

The key thing is to keep it simple.

Tugg



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13647 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1098 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Looks like a fix may be in place already.

What 'fix' is that? Are you saying Republicans somehow manipulated these machines?



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User currently onlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5675 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1073 times:

[quote=EA CO AS,reply=9]Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Looks like a fix may be in place already.

What 'fix' is that? Are you saying Republicans somehow manipulated these machines?/quote]
I read it as he was stating that they already had a patch or fix for the bug in place on the machines. I didn't see the OP saying the machines were rigged.

I am hoping this doesn't devolve into a stupid scandal thread. My whole thing has always been that the electronic voting machines are just not necessary. I hated when everyone started jumping on the band wagon for getting them in place after the 2000 Bush/Gore election.

Of course I have seen pictures of old voting machines from the 50's and 60's so I guess that machines have been in use for a long time but where I live we still use (after our electronic Diebold machines were decertified) paper ballots. And I like the simple ease of marking my vote on the ballot and am OK with then handing it in for a machine to scan.

I guess you could rig it anywhere along the line really but when it comes down to it I much prefer a human element in voting, whether it be in counting (or recounting) the vote, or taking totals and communicating the results of your precinct to the Registrar, or what have you. Just don't consolidate everything into one uniform connected system.

As to the vote count in the up coming election I am sadly expecting BOTH sides to contest various counts in various areas.

Tugg



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13647 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1038 times:
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Quoting Tugger (Reply 10):
I read it as he was stating that they already had a patch or fix for the bug in place on the machines. I didn't see the OP saying the machines were rigged.

I appreciate your input, but I see that as an unlikely explanation for the comment that "a fix is in place." None of the articles listed mention any correction to the problem, and to say 'a fix is in place' already as in 'a solution to the problem' would have required the OP to say something like "BUT a fix is in place."

So Larry - care to set the record straight? What was your intent?  Smile



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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2054 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1029 times:

First off, I wasn't there, so I'm not going to trust some blog to believe this is even remotely true. Funny how it can't be duplicated, AT ALL. Believe it if you want. I don't.

However, that being said, I can't believe that the "straight party box" is even allowed. If you think about it, if one person runs in the primary for, lets say, State Senate, then that person deserves to be challenged by both the opposite party AND independents.

Now, when someone casts a "straight party vote," that person is NOT EVER casting a vote for a certain PERSON, rather a PARTY. One wins the right to run for an open position, not a party. Besides that, what about the independents? There is no "straight independent party" box, so they don't get this benefit. Theoretically, both the Democrat Candidate and Republican Candidate for, again, State Senate, will have two spots for potential votes, one by their name, one by the "party" box, but the independents only have one box.

So forgetting the claim that these machines are flipping votes, it's just plain wrong that it's an option to begin with. I can't believe it hasn't been challenged in court. But then again, we certain states allow people to claim their residence as a bench in a city owned park, then I guess anything goes.

How lazy are we to request this option??



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1016 times:



Quoting Tugger (Reply 10):
I read it as he was stating that they already had a patch or fix for the bug in place on the machines. I didn't see the OP saying the machines were rigged.

Exactly.
Notice how I made no reference to any political party, yet some are salivating for a political fight.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 11):
So Larry - care to set the record straight? What was your intent?

A discussion about faulty voting equipment.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13647 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 995 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 11):
So Larry - care to set the record straight? What was your intent?

A discussion about faulty voting equipment.

Fine, I'll indulge you - yep, faulty equipment sucks!

And I'll ask again - what did you mean by your "a fix may be in place already" comment?  Smile



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 972 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 14):
And I'll ask again - what did you mean by your "a fix may be in place already" comment?

When ever voter intent is compromised or tempered with, that will certainly raise questions of fraud. The raises suspicion of the benefiting candidate.



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