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U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 8  
User currently offlineModerators From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 509 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2811 times:
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User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2796 times:

From the previous thread:
Luv2fly reply 393
You are double my posts. If this was an election you would have won.

Go back a few weeks and tally them up. Of course many of your ealier posts were just long strings of every cartoon you could cut and paste.

MBMBOS reply 394:
Once again, this birth certificate thing is just plain nutty.

As nutty as suggesting the Palin child is anyone elses other than hers. As a matter of fact that is just down right mean considering the child is not running for office but hey, when has that ever stopped some liberals?

AirCop reply 395
Never confuse RJ with the facts..

Or ask AirCop for timely information but you had better be prepared to present it because after a certain date as far as he is concerned it no longer is valid.

Let’s stamp out Voter Fraud in Texas - written by the Texas AG Greg Abbott in 2006

You do know that this is the 2008 election? That a man in northern Ohio has admitted to signing 73 different voter registration cards?

Gee, I'm left to wonder, if this is going to be such a landslide for Obama, why is he out hitting states that should be in the bag already?


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2785 times:



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 1):
You do know that this is the 2008 election?

You betcha! If you read the article, you can read right (seems someone else question you if you could or not) , voter fraud is an on-going problem in the lone star state.
http://www.alternet.org/election08/80589/
http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/9DDA4658-73BB-4A4D-8D20-5EA98F8D75CD/
http://lonestarproject.net/archive/PeteOlsonVoterFraud.pdf
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-...es-were-they-democrats-ap-wont-say
ttp://arkansasgopwing.blogspot.com/2008/10/dead-voters-cast-ballots-in-texas.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...ex.ART.State.Edition1.46c12d1.html
http://dccc.org/newsroom/entry/pete_...aud_confirmed_by_associated_press/

Looks like voter fraud is alive and well in Texas..  box 


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2754 times:



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 1):
Luv2fly reply 393
You are double my posts. If this was an election you would have won.

Go back a few weeks and tally them up. Of course many of your ealier posts were just long strings of every cartoon you could cut and paste.



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 1):
Let’s stamp out Voter Fraud in Texas - written by the Texas AG Greg Abbott in 2006

You do know that this is the 2008 election? That a man in northern Ohio has admitted to signing 73 different voter registration cards?

I see you go way back in time about me posting to prove your point, then you do not agree with history to prove your point. It must be nice to wake up each morning and have a choice of faces to wear that day!



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

Well McCain gets Cheney's endorsement! Well it does not get better than this.

Obama 'congratulates' McCain on Cheney endorsement

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/01/campaign.wrap/index.html



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2731 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 4):
Well McCain gets Cheney's endorsement!

Let me tell you, that in itself could be reason enough to justify voting for anyone else but McCain! Although Sarah Palin is doing a fine job in scaring folks away from their camp...

Seriously, though, does anyone vote based on who endorses whom? I certainly don't pay attention to those endorsements, whether coming from Hollywood's elite, the media (which basically endorsed Obama in 2004), military leaders, or other politicians. Some are notable (like Powell's Obama endorsement) but at the end of the day the candidate's positions and realistic chances of doing what they promise carry more weight.


User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11536 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

My internet connection has been wierding out the past week or so. I was listening to Thom Hartmann very briefly earlier this week. He had a guest on who talked about some group that was put together by Regan to oversee the markets. The main point of the guest was: if McCain wins, the corporations will take over the government, privatise everything, and all prices will skyrocket out of control. If Obama wins, this group set up by Regan will dump everything and send the country into a depression. I have not been able to load Thom Hartmann's web site to research this more.

BTW, according to the Oregonian newspaper, nearly 900,000 out of 2.5 million ballots in the state have been cast as of Saturday. I honestly thought we only had 2.5 million people total in Oregon!



Life in the wall is a drag.
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8795 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2712 times:



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 6):
BTW, according to the Oregonian newspaper, nearly 900,000 out of 2.5 million ballots in the state have been cast as of Saturday. I honestly thought we only had 2.5 million people total in Oregon!

ACORN has an office in Portland. That might explain things.

http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=14723



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2691 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
ACORN has an office in Portland. That might explain things.

How?


User currently offlineFruteBrute From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

Oregon had 3,750,000 people in 2007, so conservatively probably about 3.8 million now.

User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8795 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2659 times:



Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 8):
How?

I was kidding. Maybe  Wink



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39720 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2658 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 4):
Well McCain gets Cheney's endorsement! Well it does not get better than this.

Obama 'congratulates' McCain on Cheney endorsement

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/....html

Congratulations to John McCain & Sarah Palin for winning the endorsement of Dick Cheney.  Cool
John McCain's 8 years of supporting the Bush/Cheney administration over 90% of the time has paid off.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2652 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Congratulations to John McCain & Sarah Palin for winning the endorsement of Dick Cheney

I really can't imagine anyone wanting Cheney's endorsement. Seriously. Does anyone like that guy? Talk about shady characters.


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2638 times:

FruteBrute, referring to the earlier thread:-

Quoting FruteBrute (Reply 391):
Or as Lincoln himself wrote, "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it.."

If you study Lincoln slavery was a side issue, not "the" issue. Only thru rose colored glasses and the luxury of time can one look back and lament the "greatness" of Presidents of yore.


Must admit, I reckon Lincoln to have been a great president for precisely that reason. That he tackled the most pressing problems in a relentlessly practical way, whilst never losing sight of the need eventually to address the more idealistic 'bigger picture.'

Sure, he treated slavery as the less pressing problem - simply because it was. The Civil War was largely about what the South saw as economic exploitation by the North; and, from the Northern point of view, the fact that the USA could not afford to have a 'hostile foreign power' controlling the Mississippi, and cutting off both development of the plains and expansion westward. And Lincoln would have had no chance at all of winning the war (i.e. regaining control of the river) if he had driven the slave states which had remained in the Union (particularly Missouri and Kentucky) over to the Confederate side.

Isn't that what we'd all like to see in a president? The ability to manage the country's 'current affairs' in a practical and efficient way, while not losing sight of longer-term goals?

The other great thing about Lincoln was that he was such a great 'communicator' - usually in a very few words. That passage that you quote comes from a letter Lincoln wrote to Horace Greeley, the editor of the New York Tribune. I think that quoting the whole paragraph vividly illustrates Lincoln's ability to 'see both the wood and the trees':-

"I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.

"I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free."


http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/greeley.htm

To me, that is the key to Lincoln's greatness. He saw himself as a servant of the Union, not its master. And he took things one step at a time, didn't neglect the things that HAD to be done in pursuit of lofty ideals that were not practical at the time. That's just my view, though; fully accept that you may see things differently.



"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards.." - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

Well Palin talks about the first 100 days and kicking in the plan to ends the wars we have in Irag and Iran! Yes she said Iran.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

Here is the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D9LofMCa8A



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

Scared out of my wits at the prospect of that woman getting anywhere near the presidency.......

People may recall a discussion we had about the two Gallup 'tracking' polls a few weeks ago? Tracking polls ask the same group of people about their voting intentions every few days. Gallup are actually running two; the 'traditional' poll, which tends to contain mostly 'veteran' vters, and the 'expanded' version, in which the voter sample was modified to include a higher proportion of 'first-time/occasional' voters.

When we discussed it then, the 'traditional' poll showed Obama's lead at 2%; the 'expanded' one showed it at 6%.

Both polls are now (November 1st.) showing the lead at 10%........

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html



"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards.." - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21530 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

In case we needed further proof that Sarah Palin needs a little civics lesson:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/palin-fears-med.html

"If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations," Palin told host Chris Plante, "then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media."

In case you were wondering, Governor, the First Amendment was created to ensure that the press would be free to make those claims without fear of being shut down by the government. The First Amendment also ensures that you have the right to make yourself look as stupid as you want, which you obviously took advantage of.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 5):
Seriously, though, does anyone vote based on who endorses whom? I certainly don't pay attention to those endorsements, whether coming from Hollywood's elite, the media (which basically endorsed Obama in 2004), military leaders, or other politicians. Some are notable (like Powell's Obama endorsement) but at the end of the day the candidate's positions and realistic chances of doing what they promise carry more weight.

It depends on who the person is. If it's a pure celebrity like George Clooney or Curt Schilling, most people don't give a crap. But if it's someone who has a record of being involved in the issues and whose opinion is respected, like Colin Powell or Henry Kissinger, then it does carry more weight. Those are the sort of endorsements that give people the fact check - yes, the candidates policy on a certain topic does make sense, and isn't just talk with nothing to back it up.

-Mir



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User currently offlineAirportSeven From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

Looks like we'll need a separate thread for the Palin campaign for the next few days. It seems as though the Governor has cut the Senator loose.

User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2526 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 2):
You betcha! If you read the article, you can read right (seems someone else question you if you could or not) , voter fraud is an on-going problem in the lone star state.

An article, published in early 2006, that denotes things that have happened in the past, doesn't mention political parties involved save Lyndon Johnson, and somehow that relates to the 2008 election. Join the group stretching if you please.

As usual, you have to wade through the crap to find the real story in AirCops links.

Link 1....Now a progressive internet site would not be the teensiest bit bias would it? Aside from that, it is not a voter fraud case in that someone is trying to vote multiple time in the same or different location. It is a techno violation in how they were delivered to the ballot box.

The second link shows the election board doing what is supposed to be doing. Looking at and matching records to find people who are not supposed to vote, like dead people. There is no accusation that dead people are actually voting, just that their names are still on the record.

The 3rd link is about possible voter fraud in Conneticut in 2003. Texas is big but not quite that big.

The fourth and fifth links are blogs which is the next best thing to taking Andrea Kents word on something and

The 6th link is again about techno violations of the election law, not about actual voter fraud as the story relates to a court settlement wherein the AG of Texas won't go after people who do not sign the proper documentation when they deliver ballots for older people that are too infirm to get to the polling place.

Finally the 7th link is another story about Pete Olson who is running as a republican in Nick Lampsons district on the south side of Houston. It is the former Tom Delay district and as they are in the national campaign, they are running against the past, in this case Delay by trying to tie Pete Olson to him by way of a charge of voting in two places in one election. The problems are, number one neither vote took place in Texas and number 2 even the local news outlets see a red herring when it is shoved in their face. This isn't the first time the DNC down here has stepped over the line and had to have their ads pulled.

http://www.hcnonline.com/articles/20..._bend_sun/news/sws-_fb_dccc_ad.txt

http://www.khou.com/news/local/stori...mpson-attack-ad.14586bef7.html?npc

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/6081146.html

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...69146&rss=rss-ktrk-article-6469146

Even the registar in Conneticut cannot say for certain that Olson voted there, and no one is saying he voted in 2003 here in Texas. I'm sure that voter fraud of some sort does happen here in Texas, but so far in this election cycle it has not been shown to anywhere near the problem that it is in Ohio, Nevada, and some other states where ACORN is most active.

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):
I see you go way back in time about me posting to prove your point, then you do not agree with history to prove your point. It must be nice to wake up each morning and have a choice of faces to wear that day!

The comment was about postings about the election. There are 8 McCain/Palin threads. Only one for Obama/Biden. Only one for humor. Do you want me to start counting? I will have time today while I watch football.

Still the best endorsement of all for John McCain.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8


Wonder why the Obama campaign hasn't gone after him like they did Joe the plumber?


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2524 times:



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 19):
Wonder why the Obama campaign hasn't gone after him like they did Joe the plumber?

Yeah Joe the plumber he is a catch! Only reinforces the lack of vetting that the McCain camp is guilty of.

Like Joe the Plumber ???
How many ordinary Patriotric Americans , have convictions
For Domestic Violence , in front of Children
Wurzelbacher , Joseph Docket # DVA0400222.
Or 2 Divorces involving Battered Shelters - Domestic Abuse.
Jennifer - 1997 -Docket # DR 19970476
& Kimberley - Divorce 2007 - Had to seek shelter -Battered Home.
ain camp is guilty of.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8795 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2502 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 20):
Like Joe the Plumber ???
How many ordinary Patriotric Americans , have convictions
For Domestic Violence , in front of Children
Wurzelbacher , Joseph Docket # DVA0400222.
Or 2 Divorces involving Battered Shelters - Domestic Abuse.
Jennifer - 1997 -Docket # DR 19970476
& Kimberley - Divorce 2007 - Had to seek shelter -Battered Home.
ain camp is guilty of.

Since when do you have to pass an FBI background check to ask a presidential candidate a g&%^amned question???

And let's not forget that Obama himself would not pass such a background check. He would never be able to be hired by the FBI, CIA, most police forces, or any other sensitive position, because a background check would immediately flag his writings, statements and his associations as risk factors.

It's amazing that no such background check is required for the presidency.



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8039 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2496 times:



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 19):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

Not really a great endorsement since it's one guy's opinion and nothing more. Plenty of soldiers who have served in Iraq also say the war was a mistake - I guess they are disrespecting their own sacrifice?? Sorry, "Dear Mr. Obama", your opinion is wrong. Calling a war a mistake does not automatically equivocate to disrespect for those that have served and/or lost their lives. They are not dependent variables and if you regard them as such, you are a victim of overly simplistic thinking. If he has a problem with it, he can take it up with the WWII, Korea, and Vietnam vets in my family who also say this war was a mistake.

Caught the latest installment of the Doha Debates on the BBC this morning - a very tough debate as always. This time the question was whether or not McCain and/or Obama would be good for the region. Of the people in attendance, they did a poll at the end regarding their confidence in the next American President. The results were quite negative. 83% said McCain would have a negative impact on the region due to militarism, and 72% said Obama would likely go on to injure the Palestinian peace process as his past comments/flip-flopping already have. Just goes to show how low our stock is over there among the masses. Several people made the comment, "Americans need to get their own house in order before they presume to tell us how we should live." Tough luck.



If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2488 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):
Since when do you have to pass an FBI background check to ask a presidential candidate a g&%^amned question???

And let's not forget that Obama himself would not pass such a background check. He would never be able to be hired by the FBI, CIA, most police forces, or any other sensitive position, because a background check would immediately flag his writings, statements and his associations as risk factors.

It's amazing that no such background check is required for the presidency.

Here is the kicker he asked Obama and Obama answered then the McCain camp rangled him to there side in what I am sure was/is to make the Obama campaign look bad, well talk about ending up with egg on there face. McCain talk about the moral fiber of people who Obama pal around with, maybe they should look at the ones they hang around with.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineFruteBrute From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2482 times:



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 19):
Wonder why the Obama campaign hasn't gone after him like they did Joe the plumber?

A.) The Obama campaign did not "go after him".
B.) Joe The Plumber had pulled another stunt like this earlier and phoned it in to a talk radio show.
C.) Sen. McCain mentioned this guy 20 times in the 3rd debate. 20 times!
D.) Organizations like Fact Check, and other outlets fact check, vet, and research all that is said and claimed in those debates. Only after Senator McCain's constant parading of this guy, did the media then do its job to look into him. Guess what? They guy is a deadbeat, a liar, and a charlatan trying to politicize something. He's a fraud. He's not a plumber, nor is he buying the business he works for, that doesn't make $250,000 as "Joe" said. And that's exactly what the right's "tax cut" mantra for small business is all about. FANTASY!


25 11Bravo : Perhaps in your strange little world. Unless you are privy to information, something very serious, that has been kept from the public eye, your sugge
26 Seb146 : Well, no, it does not explain anything. We have a teensy little office within state government dedicated to verifying each and every citizen is eligi
27 RJdxer : Yet the fat lady in the Obamamercial who can't afford to buy enough snack food for her kids is? I notice you left the veteran alone. Go ahead, make f
28 Superfly : Here are some things the 'liberal media' hasn't talked about. What if the Obamas had paraded five children across the stage, following the debate, inc
29 RJdxer : And right there you answer your own question. Even with all the negatives you dropped on Sen. McCain while leaving out the vast majority of postives,
30 Luv2fly : I already pointed this out to you in a pevious thread before and you chose to ignore it, yes he does in the county he is operating in he does.
31 Post contains links Luv2fly : And before you get your boxers in a twist once again is the link. http://www.newsnet5.com/money/17737923/detail.html
32 Post contains links RJdxer : But not in the City of Toledo or any of the townships therin. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.../20081016/NEWS09/810160418/-1/NEWS According to
33 Superfly : Joe the plumbers 15 minutes of fame is over. Anyhow, his taxes wouldn't go up under President Obama anyway. Adjusting the tax rate to what it was duri
34 Luv2fly : Did you ever teach yoga? Cause you can twist and turn the facts better than anyone I ever saw.
35 FruteBrute : You mean like the way the Republican jackals went after Max Cleland not that long ago? It's always amusing to watch the right use loopholes, justific
36 Post contains links Luv2fly : Well first Joe is a no show and now we find out - McCain Buses in 4,000 Kids to Fill 6,000 Seats http://www.drudge.com/news/114365/mccain-buses-4000-k
37 Post contains links Oa260 : LOL...... I heard on a report today that only 22% of Jews will vote for McCain !! I find that hard to believe. Is that true? http://www.thegreatschle
38 DocLightning : Jews tend to vote Democratic, although we do not vote as a block, of course. For most Jews, a major issue is religious freedom. Our religion is quite
39 RJdxer : Assuming his income stayed the same. The facts read for what they are, the facts. Are you going to deny he can operate as a plumber under supervision
40 Oa260 : Oh ok , thats interesting. On another note I just saw an interview where an election officer said that some people have tried ''tricks'' at the polli
41 AirCop : Source please....
42 RJdxer : Gosh can I use blogs?
43 Post contains links Aaron747 : To your first sentence: exactly. Hence why I've not commented on any endorsements thus far since they're all essentially the same. As for video endor
44 Luv2fly : The local news here just commented that Palin attracted roughly 4,000+ today in her rally in Ohio. Obama attracted roughly 60,000+ here in Cleveland c
45 Post contains links RJdxer : Filtering means that it has yet to be confirmed. If Obama loses you can bet that if it is true it will surface as confirmed. I don't use blogs as sou
46 Seb146 : That's funny... As a Protestant Christian, that is one reason I vote Democrat! Why, then, do some still believe Obama is Muslim? Why do some pundits
47 Aaron747 : Oh for f*ck's sake, who cares about that? We are so judgmental about the personal lives of others - who REALLY cares other than people stuck in the p
48 Post contains links Superfly : When your income goes up, so does your taxes. It's always been that way and always will. Besides, Joe the Plumber will never get to that income brack
49 Aaron747 : That's the whole point. He was singing the tune of "Palestinian suffering" then AIPAC complained and suddenly his campaign veered the ship to the rig
50 RJdxer : Speculation all around. If he were to buy the business he would not have to be a plumber and his income, if he were to run the business correctly cou
51 Post contains images FruteBrute : Link? If this were true why didn't Bush drop the tax rates to a flat 10% tax then? I mean we'd be rolling in huge surpluses then using your "facts".
52 Post contains links RJdxer : Because there is more involved than personal rates. As to surpluses, as I've stated before, until we seperate SS from the general budget again we wil
53 StuckInCA : But they've gone down since then, haven't they? Is it a problem to raise them to what they already were? I'd say I'm more concerned with this than th
54 NAV20 : Probably pointless to offer a logical argument to you, RJdxer, but that is mathematically impossible. If rates are lowered, assuming that incomes rem
55 Post contains links Baroque : It is all in the magic of the Laffer curve - or should it be Laughter curve? Laffer came to prominence at about the same time as Friedmanite concepts
56 Post contains links AirportSeven : Palin is now in full lie mode. She either hasn't checked what she is saying to see if it is true, or she is being purposefully deceitful. Which is it?
57 Post contains images NAV20 : Not our problem, Baroque. The first Tuesday in November is only important in the United States every four years. Whereas, as you'll well know, in Aus
58 Post contains links RJdxer : Yes. When has the government shown it has the efficiency to do something while controlling cost? Yes, the problem began when government got involved.
59 Luv2fly : I think it is sad that she is stooping this low in hopes of swaying voters! Also does she not realize in this day and age of 24 hour news and the int
60 Aaron747 : Funny how people generally so easily gloss over that one.
61 AirportSeven : There are none so blind as those that will not see.
62 Charles79 : The argument that McCain always presents is that by lowering the taxes (or keeping them at the current level) for the upper class encourages those hi
63 CasInterest : But business owners are in the business to make money, and if it makes sense to hire a person at 6 dollars an hour because demand allows them to make
64 Seb146 : But, that was reason enough to try to remove a sitting president. If a sitting Democrat president is nearly removed from office for an affair, why, t
65 Baroque : OK that is one model, now provide some empirical data to show the actual increases in income that result from a stated tax cut. Until you do that it
66 Tugger : You know, that's an interesting point: It has been often argued, and I believe demonstrated, that when taxes area lowered, tax receipts by the govern
67 AirCop : Very interesting point you have there Tugger. If you look at an indicator such as the savings rate for Americans, one could start a spirited debate,
68 RJdxer : Irrevelant. That is up to the individual taxpayer to make happen, not the government by increased reciepts. Here is where the government versus indiv
69 StuckInCA : Your view is pretty easy to understand. Lower taxes --> more tax receipts. More money in your pocket. I believe the question is regarding whether or
70 Superfly : Aaron747: (Re: post #49) The Israel / Palestine situation is too toxic and I doubt Obama nor McCain wants to touch it with a 10-foot pole. I don't exp
71 Aaron747 : Because perpetuating the ever lower standards of political discourse is not the direction to be going in. Eventually we'll get beyond hanging people
72 NAV20 : You're only making an assumption RJdxer - that cutting taxes automatically generates new investment and jobs. Certainly it can - but there is plenty
73 FruteBrute : What RJ conveniently leaves out is the $5.6 TRILLION we borrowed over the Bush budgets to stay afloat from these lower taxes. Currently we have approx
74 RJdxer : Holy S--t we are agreeing? There is no way that the top 5% are going to make up the difference year in and year out without pulling up stakes and hea
75 NAV20 : As best I understand it, RJdxer, it boils down to $150K for singles, $200K for couples, $250K (net profit, NOT turnover) for companies. Had to choose
76 Charles79 : RJ, it seems to me that you have an ax to grind when it comes to people who could very well take care of themselves end up being supported by the gov
77 RJdxer : I want, for once, the government to look at cutting spending before they look at raising taxes. You don't actually believe that do you? But that woul
78 Charles79 : RJ this is probably your best post that I've seen. Unfortunately, and it saddens me a lot to say it, we are far too embedded with powerful lobbying m
79 RJdxer : One way or the other it is going to happen. Either voluntarily, or under financial collapse. Shame they can't think of the nation before they think o
80 Post contains links FruteBrute : But look at exactly what your party did. Shall we? When is the last time your party actually cut spending? Bush was a huge spender. In fact he increa
81 NAV20 : Very much agree. Actually there IS a way of reducing wasteful expenditure. But it would be at the expense of a lot of bureacracy. Not SO long ago, go
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